Jim O'Neill Bets The (Horse) Farm On Chinese Decoupling All Over Again

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Like a Swiss watch, Goldman's Jim O'Neill, who refuses to acknowledge that decoupling between the US and the BRICs not only never existed, but was always a flawed premise to begin with, has released his latest dose of Kool-Aid, in which he bets the horse track on, you guessed it, Chinese decoupling.... Sigh. Then again what can one expect: just like Bernanke will keep trying QE until QE succeeds (it won't) or the market breaks; and just like the Krugmanites will keep pushing for an ever bigger fiscal stimulus (because the last one is never big enough, regardless of how big it is), why should one expect the latest addition to Goldman's biggest loss leader (GSAM) be any different. And what makes this particular episode not only tragic but very much comic, is that the former "Red Knight" now sees the Chinese launch of a fully convertible and floating Yuan by 2015 as the panacea to the US stock market, and Goldman bonus doldrums (because when one cuts to the chase, that's really what it's all about). Little does it bother the BRICer that the advent of a new reserve currency would have a devastating impact not only on existing risk markets, but on so-called risk free ones as well. Remember that 0.000% yield on last week's 4 week bond auction? Yeah... that would not come back. Ever. Anyway, with the upcoming week sure to provide significant tears, especially to European readers, here is at least some comic relief (yes, O'Neill does in fact "applauds" the move by the pegging move by the SNB - apparently loading up the asset side of your balance sheet with toxic paper which may or may not exist post the Greek expulsion is considered prudent when one is a Goldman partner) to start it off with.

From Goldman's Jim O'Neill


Another tumultuous week comes to an end, coinciding with the 10 year anniversary of 9/11 adding to a weekend mood of reflection on the past decade.

There have been a remarkable number of things happening this week, especially on the policy front. Unfortunately, this has not included major policy developments on the European front, which continues to be the biggest source of disturbance to world markets. Worryingly, the hole in which the Euro Area seems to be slipping into is getting broader and the scale of the solution is getting tougher.

That being said, Saturday saw the Doncaster annual horse race, the St Leger. I think it was a little bit earlier in the month than usual. Perhaps someone knows markets need that extra helping hand…….( those who are more baffled than usual by my comments , there is a famous phrase re markets in the UK, “ sell in May and  Go Away, Come Back on St Leger’s Day”. As we all know too well, the May part worked rather well this year.


The US economy had a slightly better week for data with the services ISM for August and the July trade data positively surprising. After reducing forecasts of coincident GDP growth, a number of people are now talking about possible upside risks. To me, it looks as though the US may be growing in the vicinity of 2 pct.

At our latest internal CIO call at GSAM, I hosted a discussion of our views and stance on the US with our fixed income and equity portfolio managers. The above views of the economy reflected the broad stance of views offered from a macro perspective. The equity teams offered their views based on very up-to-date readings from many US companies across many sectors. Their conclusion had a similar flavor to the message from the Fed’s latest Beige Book: an economy with modest momentum but, importantly, no real signs of a downward shift. When it translated into a discussion of the US equity market, the general conclusion was that the market is – pending external events – more likely to rise than fall.

The major US highlight of the week was Thursday’s speech by President Obama to Congress where he unveiled a larger than expected proposed fiscal stimulus, aimed at targeting job growth and infrastructure spending. According to the GS Economics Department, if implemented, the proposal would take fiscal policy from a 1.5 pct  of GDP reduction to a 0.5 pct stimulus. Put together with a clear bias to explore additional ways of monetary stimulus from the Fed, it is tough for me to see the big downside risks to the US economy, at least cyclically.

Of course, somebody that had arrived back on earth from a few weeks in Jupiter might ask, “Is this stimulus being proposed by the same country that was berating credit rating agencies at the start of August for regarding its fiscal stance as not credible?”

I raise this because one of the most interesting aspects of post Obama market trading was how unenthusiastic the market response was. Whether this is because investors doubt its effectiveness, doubt the likelihood of it being supported by Congress, because markets rose in advance on leaks of most of the content, or probably, in my view, bigger negative concerns elsewhere, it will no doubt have added to concerns of the US contingent coming to Europe for the Marseille G7 meeting.


I had an odd past two days, as I have become more and more concerned about aspects of the Euro mess, which I discuss below, but this was more than offset by excitement over a Bloomberg story Thursday suggesting that senior Chinese policymakers have been giving out signals that they are now aiming for full convertibility  of the Yuan by 2015.

This is hugely important, not least as I don’t recall a specific close timetable being cited before. It is unlikely that such a major initiative would be unveiled without being announced by the leadership. But according to some of my conversations, this notion is certainly not being dismissed. It follows a growing feeling I have had since early August that Beijing is definitely in a mood to accelerate RMB and other reforms. It also comes a few weeks after the French G20 hosts announced that a working group had been established to develop a plan for RMB inclusion in the SDR basket.

I cannot emphasize enough as to how important, and positive, such a development would be. 2015 is not much more than 3 years away. To reach and achieve this goal, a whole host of parallel developments would be likely. These would range from less accumulation of FX reserves, steps to develop the Shanghai stock market including the listing of many non Chinese multinationals, and major development of the domestic bond market. It would also move in-step with successful efforts to adjust the economy’s leadership from exports to domestic – consumption led – demand.

It is no surprise to see stories of more central banks talking about diversifying into the RMB with this week, with both Chile and Nigeria giving some such signals.
To add to the flavor of the opening up of the RMB, on Thursday, Chinese officials issued a joint press release with the UK to announce that London would be allowed to undertake offshore RMB trading.

Friday brought the important news that CPI inflation in China slowed from 6.5 to 6.2 pct. It is very likely to have peaked for the year, and base effects alone suggest a move down to 5 pct or less by early next year. I said to some G7 policymakers I saw in London yesterday that this is something they should all be embracing instead of berating the Chinese about the RMB this weekend. For the massive challenges facing the US and most of Europe, lower inflation in China (and other Growth Markets) represents the most likely escape from years of weak growth, as it would allow strong increases in personal consumption to occur.

Further good news appears to have come this weekend with the August trade data surprising on the downside as a result of stronger imports. I continue to be amazed by the lack of awareness of how much the Chinese trade balance has improved. This week I appeared at the UK Treasury Select Committee, along with Gerard Lyons  of Standard Chartered, and the members seemed to have similar views to most I come across. I also participated as a panelist at a Chatham House event on the Global Economy on Friday where the new head of the IMF repeated a comment I have seen written by Fund staff that improvement in global imbalances has stalled. This is simply not true. After the August trade data, we now have 8 months of the 2011 year. And, the 12-month running total trade surplus is around $182.7 bn, down from last month and about 2.5 pct of GDP. Moreover, the trend of import growth is quite strong. Year to date annualized they have risen by around $ 350 bn.
So if all of this is such good news, why did Chinese equities not rally? I don’t know, but I suspect it is because the CPI improvement was smaller than hoped for, and without an “all clear” regarding the inflation outlook from the Chinese leaders, investors are nervous about jumping the gun. But it certainly seems to me the ingredients for a big Chinese rally are improving.


What another staggering week in Europe. The more it progressed, the more “emergency” calls I was asked to join for clients all over the world about the deteriorating dynamics of European Monetary Union (EMU). Major institutional investors, large private equity firms and big international corporate were all asking the same underlying question, “How can this thing survive?”

Jonathan Bayliss from our Fixed Income team this week led a 2-day onsite offsite about the future for the Euro Area and we will be providing clients with a flavor of these discussions. Many different outside experts were invited to contribute. It seems as though “the muddle through” path is the one that most see as the most realistic one ahead, with more and more thinking ultimately we get “more Europe” with tighter, clearer fiscal rules and genuine Euro bonds. The depth of market fragility questions whether time will allow for such a long road There are lots of key event risk factors coming up this month, but the vicious circular mood that has taken hold means that, not only does it seem as though something “big” has to happen with Greece pretty soon, but something “big” needs to happen for European bank capital, the clarity and determination of ECB policy making and, most importantly, where Germany wants to lead EMU.

I can’t help concluding that it actually isn’t as difficult as many European leaders seem to think. Bang in the heart of Europe is Switzerland, and having seen their competitiveness potentially devastated by the mess that surrounds them, this week the Swiss National Bank (SNB) went ahead and announced the extraordinary step of putting a formal, temporary floor under the Franc at 1.20 against the Euro. It seemed to me pretty obvious this was coming and, within minutes of the announcement, the Franc fell by over 8 pct, which I think has to perhaps be the single fastest large move of a major currency since floating markets commenced in the 1970’s. I applaud the SNB for such a bold step, and find myself amused at the tons of people who have suggested to me that it won’t work. When a central bank uses words like “unlimited” and puts a new currency arrangement at the core of its monetary policymaking, especially when they are trying to turn a grossly misaligned currency, my experience suggests it should be followed. Moments such as these in foreign exchange are all too rare and they are usually the ones that distinguish currency investors.

When quizzed about the SNB move, predictably, the ECB stated that while they were made aware, it was a solo act of the SNB. While this is obviously the case, the tone of that statement sums up for me many of the shortcomings of Euro Area policymaking. Is it that most of them lives in some kind of time warp? Or is the more subtle interpretation that the key actors know the really powerful decisions need an appearance of real crisis before the German electorate can be persuaded to support them?

At least there has been some spectacular Premier League football especially from a certain team this weekend.

Jim O’Neill

Chairman, Goldman Sachs Asset Management

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eazyas's picture

Juan Mata Bitchz!

DormRoom's picture

A corollary would be if the yuan is pegged to gold, a basket of commodities, or SDRs.  But considering the USD, EUR, and Yen are all in trouble, it's more likely the yuan will be pegged to gold, or a basket of commodities, or we'll just repeat the Triffin dilemma all over again, in 30 years times.


That is if the Large Hadron Collider doesn't doom us all with its improbability-6 sigma or greater--distortion of how the  wave function collapses.

snowball777's picture

I thought the pigeon saved us.

Maybe you're on a different timeline? ;)

Marcuz Aurelius's picture

Europe doesn't have a United vision, therfor it cannot make the moves the SNB did. the currency as we know it is doomed ! even if the backstopping of the greek default seems succesful its only temporarily.

maxmad's picture

so China just told us to f off!

dragoneyes74's picture

Here's my question: do people like Bernanke actually believe the QE programs will work, or do they know their hand is forced and they have to keep going into more and more debt to prevent systemic collapse?  Meaning, which is Bernanke more: ignorant, or corrupt?  Stupid, or a liar? 

maxmad's picture

They just know that they are destroying all FIATs and that there is a new currency coming soon...

gwar5's picture

Listening to this guy drivel on makes me realize why they need to control markets. They couldn't make a buck if they didn't.

I suppose a 50%+ drop in the USD with the loss of WRC status doesn't phase these guys because they are the ones who will pull the trigger when they are ready to profit from it.


LeBalance's picture

the sellers of the "free lunch" always find willing ears despite the consequences.

"it sounds too good to be true! we'll buy that!"


daxtonbrown's picture

"According to the GS Economics Department, if implemented, (Obama's) proposal would take fiscal policy from a 1.5 pct  of GDP reduction to a 0.5 pct stimulus. Put together with a clear bias to explore additional ways of monetary stimulus from the Fed, it is tough for me to see the big downside risks to the US economy, at least cyclically."


Step right up for your free bong pipes.

cranky-old-geezer's picture



Little does it bother the BRICer that the advent of a new reserve currency would have a devastating impact not only on existing risk markets, but on so-called risk free ones as well.

Yuan (or Remimbi or whatever China chooses to call their "official" currency) will be the next world reserve currency for the same reasons the US dollar is WRC now.

It amazes me that anyone at the squid would actually want another currency to be WRC so the US dollar can fall lower in this worldwide race to the bottom. 

Losing WRC status would not merely sink the dollar lower (as this squid prognosticator apparently believes).  It would collapse altogether  ...and wipe out the squid ...and the rest of the US financial system.

AmCockerSpaniel's picture

OK; So how and way is the US dollar the WRC?

defcon's picture

Because after the oil crisis of 1973 OPEC agreed un pricing oil only in dollars, and since oil is the blood of the world economy, you need dollars to survive. This keeps the dollar afloat, until when the oil producing countries would decide to price their oil in some other currency and that would be when USA will collapse.

AmCockerSpaniel's picture

Right you are. Now we know what we got (WRC), but what was in it for the King.

eaglefalcon's picture

Yuan can't become WRC in near future because:

1) In order replace USD as WRC, the Yuan has to become "sounder" than USD.  The Chinese central bank hasn't accumulated enough gold to back a WRC

2) Whoever issues a WRC has to run a giant trade deficit so that other nations can pile up their reserves.  China probably understands the devastation a WRC has wrought on US economy and they'd be reluctant to accept such a hot potato

3) Chinese leadership is bunch of control freaks, who dread the idea of relinquishing the control of part of their currency to foreigners.  In fact, that's the main reason why the Yuan is not even fully convertible yet


jdelano's picture

Just trying to get a few more suckers into the market so the rest of gs can sandbag them. Blah blah blah

long-shorty's picture

any day that ends in "y" is a good day to short CLF at these prices. goodbye China bubble, goodbye ridiculously inflated iron ore price.

PulauHantu29's picture

When ben takes a dump at the Fed, they can smell it in Beijing.

"The World is Flat"...some say.

..or do they mean, "The World is Fat?"

prophet's picture

G-20 works for me.  EU GU.

snowball777's picture

Anecdotes about horse racing, wants to buy Manchester, and believes Chinese inflation numbers?

People trust this fop with their money?!

CitizenPete's picture

The FED and the Central bank in China ARE NOT BOTH RUN BY THE BERNANK ... 


Where the FED goes (hopefully down the toilet) is not where the China Central Bank will follow.   

Consumer and personal debt the top earners in China is non-existant compared to the US credit grubing masses.  People primarily pay cash or borrow from realatives for cars and houses -- not the bank. 

While credit has been leveraged in massive doses in the provences and some munis will find it impossible to may debt payments on credit used for infustructure expansion, Beijing has the money (inthe bank) to truelybail them out.   Unlike the USSA who prints their bailout money as if they could someday pay it back.

Is there polarization in China ... yes.   Is there inflation ...  yes seriously.   Are there challanges... yes.  

Are many average Chinese citizens buying silver and gold bullion ... no! -- this is total BS.  They are buying real estate ...  Does this sound familiar?:  "Safe as Houses"


Luke 21's picture

Where do they get these guys from? Decoupling should not even be argued. It is a fact that if the US slows down China will follow.

Ramboy's picture

Everyone in the states gonna be working for Egg Foo Young, Inc after spiderman's jobs plan fails.

Grand Supercycle's picture

My long term indicators continue to warn of significant USD strength and AUD / NZD / EUR etc weakness and these signals have increased since 2009.

Unfortunately the March 2009 equity lows eventually will be breached.

Updated SP500 monthly chart at blog.


Salamanda's picture

'...indictaors continue to warn of signifcant USD strength...".... ummm... strength based on what exactly??

"...and AUD/NZD/EUR etc weakness..."... one of these currencies is about to implode in on itself for some very specific and foundamental reasons... the other two are not. One of these currencies is so overloaded with soverieng debt accummulated from unprededented asymetrical fiscal malfeasance... the other two are not. One of these currencies has a collective banking industry that are so leveraged in toxic paper and debt that most are already insolvent and those that aren't soon will be when a certain member state spectacularly defaults... the other do do not. Two of these currencies are at record highs against the USD (thanks to much of the above)... one of these currencies is not.


Check your indicators GS... studying the technicals alone to find the trends (and ignoring the fundamental picture completely, which it appears is what you're doing here) in times such as these, can be a very dangerous game.

Coldfire's picture

It occurs to me that the global Ponzi squatting on our collective existence would die tomorrow if fatuous windbags like Jim O'Neill could just shut their pieholes for a couple of news cycles. Jim and his book-talking brethren are important that way. This brilliance certainly won't go to waste on the $1 (soon to be 0.5) trillion in assets at the GSAM beta factory.

guasilas's picture

So, all his clients were short the swiss franc so they caught that immediate, and obvious 8% gain?

the last bagholder's picture

The Renminbi may or may not officially become the next WRC currency but it will be the defacto unofficial reserve currency by 2015 for this reason: would you rather hold deprecating dollars of a western country that is set to grow only ~1% year over year for the next 30 years, or of China, which will grow 5%-10% per year for the next 30 years?