Jim O'Neill Describes Europe's Surreal Times, Asks If Germany And The Euro Area Even Want The Monetary Union Any Longer

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Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:53 | 1897382 AccreditedEYE
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Dear Jim- We Grizzlies are about to EAT YOUR LUNCH tomorrow. Sleep tight!

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:55 | 1897388 Dr Paul Krugman
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You are a day trader?  The Euro is up.  They will bail out the banks and you will get flattened.  Good luck and good night.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:08 | 1897419 AccreditedEYE
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When and if the banks get bailed out, you can kiss sovereign ratings goodbye. Since when did I say I was a day trader? I'm glad you know me so well Paul. You know, if I were you I'd be spending my time polishing up what to do with my career after Keynesian policy dies instead of trying to fight the Last Fight on the blog that called the truth way ahead of everyone else. (including your blinded phD buddies locked in their Ivory Towers)

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:28 | 1897468 WonderDawg
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This Krugman fucker is like a cross between RobotTrader and MillionDollarBonus.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:32 | 1897475 LowProfile
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Pure evil troll genius.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:15 | 1897560 trav7777
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how can anyone be surprised?

We've KNOWN since the GS mafia swaps were disclosed that nations such as Italy entered into that there was a timebomb out here.  Italy fucked its future in order to get below the accession deficit targets.  They straight out fucking LIED and GS and the Street aided and abetted the entire thing.

Italy's cashflows for NOW were swapped in exchange for lump sum payouts back then...just like how people sell annuities for payouts in the present.  There's no way out of this...Italy's austerity will have to be big enough not only to cover present deficits (including these plus-sized payouts) but the deficits they HID for years using lumpsum cash which has now been burnt through!

Sell you future salary for a payout today and then burn through that....then what?  How do you pay the bills now?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:18 | 1897564 WonderDawg
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Well said. Perspicuous, even.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:16 | 1897561 WonderDawg
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Living proof that you can be retarded AND delusional.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:44 | 1897616 knukles
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LOL.  Squared.

I know a nice convent in the Catskills if his tenure at the Times is becoming slippery what with Sunday's article.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 01:28 | 1897679 chump666
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i don't think it was him...I dunno, he sounded kinda high.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 02:19 | 1897727 Milestones
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Ya ever think he just might have his tongue in his cheek--just maybe??      Milestones

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 03:32 | 1897777 Ragnar24
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And now the euro is falling... just like Krugman's credibility (the real Krugman that is).

I would, however, love to meet the traders who are gobbling up ES all the way to 1208 right now (2:30a EST). I must be missing something.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 04:41 | 1897827 silver500
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Dont you mean Dr Paul "Fake Space Alien Invasion" Krugman fucker?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 02:24 | 1897730 PersonalRespons...
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Paul is /sarc 201 (he passed 101).  Play along if you want to make snarky commedy.  Otherwise, you'll be sucked into the /sarc.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:15 | 1897428 Collapse is imminent
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Who will bail out banks? Governments? lol

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:22 | 1897449 Careless Whisper
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I don't read posts from Goldman. I just comment on them. Vampire Squid seems to me to be a criminal syndicate that sells shitty CDOs to their clients, then buys Credit Default Swaps to collect on when the shitty CDOs default, which they did and will, because Vampire Squid packaged them that way. ZH has become an aider and abettor with all these Goldman posts; as if they are a legitimate investment bank. pfffttt.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:05 | 1897539 Mentaliusanything
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Just remember Government do not have their own money. They produce nothing and at best are inefficient distributors of created wealth. The only money they have, they take from workers and industry. Governments now are facing sovereign defaults and will have a hell of a time just keeping the state running.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:21 | 1897443 Michael
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Watch Krugman Kringe;

November 20, 2011

Congressman Ron Paul delivered a speech for the National Association of Home Builders at the 29th Annual Cato Monetary Conference. The key topics were the US monetary policy and the Federal Reserve.

Ron Paul: How To END THE FED


Ron Paul: How To END THE FED 1/2 FED Crimes / Solutions


Ron Paul: How To END THE FED 2/2 FED Crimes / Solutions


Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:25 | 1897456 Careless Whisper
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Thanks for the links. That man is consistent and ROCK SOLID.


Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:47 | 1897505 paarsons
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Isn't O'Neil just another Goldman cocksucker who can't get anything right?

Fuck him.


Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:54 | 1897385 Dr Paul Krugman
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Germany needs to step up and so does the rest of Europe.  They need to bail out the banks.  It worked for the U.S.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:08 | 1897418 SHEEPFUKKER

You are a tool Krugie. Go F yourself you fiat whore. 


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 09:09 | 1897980 Moneyshot20
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Krugman trades during the day and blowes old homeless men during the night.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:27 | 1897461 Everybodys All ...
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Has it? I think the jury is still out. Lehman collapsed.  Bear Stearns gone. Citi zombied. Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are now bank holding co's and can access the overnight facilities. Who knows the exposures to Europe banks they all hold. CDS contagion is only a bank failure away unless the ISDA decides a default is not a default. Remember the clowns are ruining the capital markets. Try as a bond trader to navigate this mess. let alone the equity markets.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:51 | 1897624 knukles
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Good God man.  Worked for you and your 1%'ers.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 04:27 | 1897819 Klaus Kastner
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Yes, the problem must be attacked at the source (zillions of poor loans) and not at the symptoms (expecting bankrupt borrowers to pay). Yes, European banks must be bailed out. The question is how. Simply transferring bad assets 1:1 from risk takers to tax payers is a joke. Force banks to make a true "mark-to-market". Then replenish their equity with preferred shares (with funds from where? From the ECB's emitting its own bonds). When the dust has settled in a few years, sell the preferred and if money is left over for common stock, fine with me. If not, not good for existing shareholdes but who ever promised them that equity investments would be without risk?


Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:54 | 1897386 Golden Boy
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Why do we have to listen about the economy from a Harvard homo? Seriously, guys...

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 22:56 | 1897391 Dr Paul Krugman
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Jim is smart but he is getting gun shy.  He needs to stick with how we laid all of this out for everyone.  We need to stick to what works, and what has worked.  Europe should stop panicking, and start meeting their debt obligations.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:13 | 1897434 chump666
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Jeez 1000 + yrs of Euro-centric psycho drama and you think that a quick print job will  fix the ills?  As far as re-cap banks, Germany will do it to their own banks sans the rest of EZ.  You can start to make bets that Greece/Italy even Spain will be booted out of the EZ after Germany shores up capital for it's own banks.  The PIIGS, devalue their own currencies go bankrupt take out the greedy bank debt holders, then you get maybe 2yrs of a depression.  Either that Germany goes into stagflation and Europe just erupts into one big riot.


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:02 | 1897536 Spastica Rex
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With humor, as with most things, less is often more.

Take a break.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:22 | 1897575 Mentaliusanything
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There is a Hole in your Argument Dear Krugman a Hole

FT beat me to it


Dr Paul Krugman is a man who drinks to much Koolaid and handjobs others way more than is healthy.

And he is a dickhead

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:01 | 1897397 Anomalous Howard
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So the squid is saying, "Our positions are in place and we'll leave the rest of you the option of taking your best guess...plbplbplb".

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:30 | 1897473 small watcher
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They really said "plbplbplb"? At least they didn't say "Phnglui mglw nafh Architeuthis dux 85'Broad wgah nagl fhtagn"; then I'd be worried.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:04 | 1897407 Ahmeexnal
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Spain will break the thousand year reich pipedream:





"Many got into debt when times were good, buying houses and cars and starting families," says Ricardo Jiménez, who runs the local branch of the Catholic charity Caritas. "Families are very close and help one another out, but we already help 80 families and more come every month. Some are asking for help to feed their babies," he said. That means almost 5% of the town needs church handouts.

Others are handed money by the town hall or given whatever jobs local politicians can invent. "If we have to dig a ditch we do it by hand, rather than with a digger, because that way we employ more people," said councillor Manuel Moguel.

As markets demand ever higher interest payments for lending Spain money, and the European Union instructs its politicians to slash its deficit, public money is drying up. Yields on Spanish debt have now overtaken Italy's and soared to the same levels at which Greece and Portugal needed to be bailed out. And if Spain – a much larger economy – fails, then it may bring down the euro.

Spain's biggest problem remains the money owed to banks for property or land bought during a decade-long boom fuelled by cheap credit. The rows of unsold new homes in Benalup are evidence of Spain's housing bubble, which burst in 2008, leaving 700,000 unsold new houses on the market.

By 2004, more than 80% of Benalup's labour force worked in construction, building homes or holiday apartments along the nearby Mediterranean coast.

Peña delivers the same diagnosis of Benalup's ills as his Socialist opponents. "Too many people dropped out of school to become bricklayers. They can't even write a sentence properly."

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:07 | 1897410 bob_dabolina
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I have a question about Hugh Hendry and Europe. 

I don't know the details of his EZ interest rate trade but I know he get's 40-to-1 on his money if the ECB lowers rates to 1%. However, if there is no ECB (EZ breaks up) would he still get paid? Anyone know how that would work?

I wonder if this was something he took into consideration when putting the trade on.

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 03:46 | 1897793 Ghordius
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Hugh Hendry knows that this "EZ break up" up is a pipe dream made for speculation

he is just betting on a ECB ZIRP, which is a different scenario altogether

remember that he has a huge portfolio of longs which he just hedges with a few side bets

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:06 | 1897411 Catflappo
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Since the all-night session which resulted in the wonderful and 'total solution' announcment of the EFSF and the 50% haircut on Greek debt, what have we heard from Merkel ?    She and Sarkoy were on the tapes almost every day in the weeks and months leading up to that summit, and since then....... NOTHING.     That's all you need to know about what is REALLY happening in the German parliament and their thought processes.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:07 | 1897415 ISEEIT
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Butt, Butt, bbbbbbUUUTTTT!

What about OWS and obamas second coming and the debt doesn't matter and, and , and,

Oh shit.

These rightwing extremist are really at it now.

I'm just going to go relax at the huff where the world is still swell and money is just something that Ron Paul worries about!

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:08 | 1897417 Eireann go Brach
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Jim, you senile old Irish wanker! Fuck off!

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:10 | 1897426 Catflappo
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"It looks to me that there are so many opportunities for investors as we near the end of 2011 and into 2012. We just have to figure out what side of them to be on!"

Holy Moly - what a way to finish.  Absolutely incredible Added Value, Jim.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:25 | 1897453 jez
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Yep. Worth every penny of whatever his salary is.  You have to pay top dollar if you want to attract and retain talent like this.

Here's my equally valuable analysis of "opportunities for investors as we near the end of 2011 and into 2012." Pretty much every asset you can think of is either going to go up or go down, unless it stays about the same.

Need a right-hand man, Jim?

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:12 | 1897430 Bansters-in-my-...
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Jim finds it "somewhat exciting"

Fuck you rich banker.

May you live in the streets one day.!!!


Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:18 | 1897442 Bansters-in-my-...
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Dr Paul Krugman.

You make me want to puke.

You fucking programmed piece of toilet scum.

Fuck off.

You are not welcome here.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:26 | 1897460 obejoyful
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Wow another person calling the housing bottom.

Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:27 | 1897467 rambler6421
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Merkel is a sellout.  Germany will cave.



Sun, 11/20/2011 - 23:46 | 1897504 williambanzai7
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Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:06 | 1897540 Spastica Rex
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I detect more minds coming around to my thinking that we may be close to a turning point in the US housing market.

What a load of psychobable mumbo jumbo.

J.Z. Knight would be proud:


Mon, 11/21/2011 - 08:11 | 1897909 gatorengineer
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No doubt housing is turning, turning and getting ready to take another 30-40% dump.........

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 00:29 | 1897586 Unprepared
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Mr. Surreal strikes again. Does this moron know any other adjective to discribe his total fucking cluelessness other than the word "surreal"?

Mon, 11/21/2011 - 01:31 | 1897681 chump666
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Bring on deflation so my f*cking landlord can go bankrupt, and i can have some sexy (female) squatters move in.  

I love surreal markets.

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