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Joint Statement By The Fed, The FDIC, NCUA And OCC

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Presenting the joint statement by The Fed, the FDIC, NCUA, OCC. In essence: the Fed tells S&P to go fornicate itself. And for your corresponding pleasure, below are the media contact of note: Federal Reserve Susan Stawick (202) 452-2955;  FDIC David Barr (202) 898-6992; NCUA David Small (703) 518-6336; OCC Bryan Hubbard (202) 874-5307

Full release:

Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
National Credit Union Administration
Office of the Comptroller of the Currency

Agencies Issue Guidance on Federal Debt

Earlier today, Standard & Poor’s rating agency lowered the long-term rating of the U.S. government and federal agencies from AAA to AA+. With regard to this action, the federal banking agencies are providing the following guidance to banks, savings associations, credit unions, and bank and savings and loan holding companies (collectively, banking organizations)

For risk-based capital purposes, the risk weights for Treasury securities and other securities issued or guaranteed by the U.S. government, government agencies, and government-sponsored entities will not change. The treatment of Treasury securities and other securities issued or guaranteed by the U.S. government, government agencies, and government-sponsored entities under other federal banking agency regulations, including, for example, the Federal Reserve Board’s Regulation W, will also be unaffected.


Media Contacts:

Federal Reserve Susan Stawick (202) 452-2955
FDIC David Barr (202) 898-6992
NCUA David Small (703) 518-6336
OCC Bryan Hubbard (202) 874-5307



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Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:20 | 1529176 zorba THE GREEK
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I guess what they are implying is that there is no risk of not getting your money back in treasuries or anything else backed by the good faith of the U.S. government because they have printing press and they will print you up some pronto, no matter how worthless the dollar becomes.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:57 | 1529304 trav7777
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this really IS the Fed telling SP to fuck off.  There is no force or effect from this downgrade other than SP was making a political statement

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:03 | 1529331 Pay Day Today
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How many grades are there under AA+? Methinks that S&P has more rounds left in the clip. How about Turbo Timmah and the Bernank?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:18 | 1529398 Hulk
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Its A's all the way to the bottom...where there are B's...

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:45 | 1529476 Ahmeexnal
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War is PeaceFreedom is SlaveryIgnorance is Strength, Debt is Money, Bankruptcy is Wealth, Death is Life, God is Satan


Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:53 | 1529661 TBT or not TBT
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Fiat is gold, gold is a barbarous relic

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:31 | 1529728 Cursive
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@TBT or not TBT

Time to get long barbarians.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 16:42 | 1531577 El Viejo
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One of the very first taxes imposed by this country was the Whiskey Tax. At that time Whiskey was Money.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:23 | 1529584 caerus
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and turtles...

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:04 | 1529683 Hulk
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Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:53 | 1529755 caerus
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you no like turtles?

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:21 | 1529707 Tidewater
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It's not so much lower ratings from S&P -- this downgrade was and is monumental -- as other ratings agencies like Moody's tagging along. Could put weeks' worth of pressure on. Fitch might stay put/certainly won't be first to tag along.

But nardshark. S&P moved the rotten camembert. I'm gonna roll watching Bob Pisani spin this. Can't hardly damn wait.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:39 | 1529737 StychoKiller
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Earlier today, Standard & Poor’s rating agency lowered the long-term rating of the U.S. government and federal agencies from AAA to AA+. With regard to this action, the federal banking agencies are providing the following guidance to banks, savings associations, credit unions, and bank and savings and loan holding companies (collectively, banking organizations)

Our conclusion:  "We still got 2 out of 3 ratings agencies working, and that ain't bad!"

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 02:22 | 1529789 Mentaliusanything
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Not once has it been said..... anywhere .. It HAS NOT BEEN SAID ....get it.... NOT been said !!!!!!!!!

This is the Worlds Reserve Currency !!!!!!

It has been defiled, Fucked, screwed with, lost its Purity, raped, Buggered, slut fested, gang raped, cherry popped, defiled,  debased, royally screwed with, NOT to be Trusted, Not to be tied with, a Whore and a plaything of unclean people.

Oh Baby you are in so Much trouble.

Thanks to ;;


To big to fails

Helicopter wanker nankie


Lobbists (fuck I hate them)

Whats in it for me Congress

Wall st wally wankers.

and a crowd of a thousand hanger on blood sucking Tossers.

Welcome to HELL come Monday.

You are so Fucked!!!!!


Sat, 08/06/2011 - 06:39 | 1529968 IBelieveInMagic
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You forgot to include yourself and all of us.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 09:42 | 1530159 j0nx
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Amen brother. Things like this could never happen without the consent and apathy of the people. Americans seem to care for naught except for whether or not they can marry their gay lover Raul or what those zany kids on Jersey Shore are up to this week. We will pay dearly for that apathy at some point soon.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:07 | 1531975 ejmoosa
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The good Germans let Hitler come to power.

The German people paid the price.


The good Americans have let the government take power.

We AMericans are going to pay the price.




Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:07 | 1531976 ejmoosa
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The good Germans let Hitler come to power.

The German people paid the price.


The good Americans have let the government take power.

We AMericans are going to pay the price.




Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:05 | 1529337 john39
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Sock puppet show. This is all planned.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:25 | 1529425 MM76mm
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Planned it is. They will say we restore the AAA rating if you raise taxes.  Raising taxes they will.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 09:16 | 1530121 Yes_Questions
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Right.  And guess where the money is.

I'll give you a hint: it ain't with the shrinking in ranks middle class and cutting SNAP, UE, SSI or Medicare is a non-starter in this political season.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 09:34 | 1530142 Bobbyrib
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It will come from the working middle class, or it won't come at all. You can't raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy, the Republicans would never go for that.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 12:10 | 1530561 -Michelle-
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You can't raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy because the wealthy are rich enough to exploit loopholes and the corporations pass the taxes on to their customers.  So, yes, it will come from the working middle class any way you look at it.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 13:16 | 1530883 Mesquite
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 I thought Egypt was a profound event...

How appropiate to happen in the cradle of civilization there..


Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:58 | 1529670 diesheepledie
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Yup, Timeigh and the Bernanke are such f'n geniuses. It is all planned with in concert wih Soros and the rest of the Bilderberg. We are mere mortals they are teh genius. Yea ... lol. Timeh!

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:05 | 1529340 CrashisOptimistic
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Oh, there most certainly is an effect that can extend past this communication.

Munis are tied to Ts.  THEY may have to downgrade somewhat automatically and a great many of them will then become ineligible for purchase by pension funds and mutual funds.



Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:10 | 1529466 Taku
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Full release:


Agencies Issue Guidance on Federal Debt

Earlier today, due to temporary insanity, some rogue analysts broke ranks with consensus estimates. With regard to this, listen carefully.

All you need to know is that everything is backed up by your Bernank. As such, there's no risk at all you will not get paid back. No risk. Please continue marking to fantasy. However, if you believe otherwise from this official statement, don't even think about trying to do something about it.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:04 | 1529536 CrankItTo11
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Flashback: Moody's Will Cut 7,000 Top-Rated Munis if US Downgraded, Reviewing More...

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:29 | 1529723 DeadFred
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The Fed may have some say with the banking community this directive this was aimed at but Despite what they may think they are not gods and the US is not the universe. I don't think Europe and China aren't going to kowtow to the Fed's wishes and we already know how little Russia thinks about the Bernank. This will provide the cover for them to do whatever they want in the currency wars and credit it to the downgrade. Monday we will see one way or the other.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:51 | 1530479 msamour
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If the rest of the world corners the United States, I have no problem believing the Unted Stated Elites will start a world war just to keep the pressure off them, and the banking system. Hell I would not be surprised they used nukes. After all the only country in history to ever use nukes is the U.S.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:25 | 1529717 Flakmeister
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It takes 2 of 3... S&P actually covered their ass. Very Machiavellian if I do say.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:13 | 1529379 Sophist Economicus
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It was definitely a f-you. But, I think The S&P downgrade is the start of something big.

First, they told Barney frank where he could shove his letter, yup, the gerbils will have some paper to play with now

Second, they are now off the hook for any future liabilities regarding USA debt ratings -- nothing politicians can use to dangle over their head

Three, they've taken a stand against the status quo. I think others will now soon follow. Government intimidation falls apart in the face of large numbers. We might be at the bottom of the rebellion s-curve

Time will tell, but this could be the 'next shot heard round the world'

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:33 | 1529449 supersajin
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all it takes is for a few cracks in the system

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 03:37 | 1529860 Squid-puppets a...
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if im not mistaken, there are hard and fast repercussions - intra-American lending wont acknowledge the premium for the downgrade, but do you reckon china/european entities looking to lend to the US will accept repayment terms that arent reflective of an increased risk?

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 09:55 | 1530191 Winston Smith 2009
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"There is no force or effect from this downgrade other than SP was making a political statement"

As far as US banks and other institutions under direct Fed cartel control, correct.  As far as the rest of the world is concerned, incorrect.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 21:27 | 1532092 MsCitizen2
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Exactly right, IMHO.  Just like the Tea Party Congressmembers were making their own "political statement" - - FRESHMEN all!   Nice work, morons.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:20 | 1529704 blunderdog
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...but it's worse than that anyway.

The Treasury market can't really run into *serious* trouble until there's competition.

In principle, it's time for the Eurozone to launch it's "Euro-wide" bonds now.  Or China.

There are no other players who'd have even the slightest hope in hell of doing any direct harm.  There's noplace to roll $20 billion to overnight.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 09:38 | 1530148 max2205
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Dark pool trading is open all weekend with huge blocks sold bought and hedged. Ts may see a pop then drop because all these trades will hit the tape Monday at 3:59:59

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 13:15 | 1530873 ZeroPower
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How fucking stupid are you?

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:28 | 1529724 dukeland
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FED is playing the same game it did during GFC - suspending the Mark-to-Market and replacing it with Mark -to- Nothing. Then we will pretend to be blind and give you full dollars (as worthless as green toilet paper) for these 'no-faith' treasury notes as collaterals.

Why live in real world when the la-la banana land is a paradise!

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 08:41 | 1530073 MarketTruth
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What is the difference between a bankster and a counterfeiter?


BTW: Call the FDIC and ask them if they can guarantee the VALUE of your dollars. They will answer "No", as the FDIC only guarantees the dollar quantity, yet not the buying power as obviosly the Federal Reserve Note (dollar) devalues every year.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 09:54 | 1530188 dehdhed
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if prices and rates are bound to fluctuate, it seems the only way to promise no change in risk weights is if they already plan further easing

almost feels like the fed just showed it's hand

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:20 | 1529177 silvertrain
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Is Turbo Tim going to keep his job still?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:53 | 1529285 Long-John-Silver
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He's seeking asylum on a Caribbean island with  his off shore bank account tonight.
Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:31 | 1529440 Milton Waddams
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From Wikipedia:

"As a Treasury official, he helped manage multiple international crises of the 1990s in Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia, South Korea, and Thailand."

Anyone sensing a trend here? Perhaps he finally bag that big game he has always aspired to?

Stepping in to his private jet, Treasury Secretary Geithner waved his hand to the press corps that had gathered to cover the event. Before finally vanishing into the aircraft, Geithner chuckled to the onlookers "America, we hardly knew ye". No details were released on the the Treasury Secretary's destination nor any details about the trip.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:16 | 1530228 urbanelf
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The American taxpayer: the deadliest game of them ALL!!!

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:35 | 1529458 MM76mm
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Ssaw on CNBC this early morning that the Politicians in Europe were too busy sipping cocktails on the Riveria,  I laughed.  If only they sipped more cocktails on the Riveria and stayed away from their best job of screwing the market up Royally.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:36 | 1529178 tom a taxpayer
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No problem, don't listen to downgrade. Just stick finger in ear.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:23 | 1529179 SDRII
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Let them eat iPod.....

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:27 | 1529182 MrJingles
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Sweep the leg Johnny.....sweep the leg.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:26 | 1529186 cswjr
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This is all well and good, but it's the insurance companies who'll be facing immediate problems from the downgrade -- not banking organizations.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 09:36 | 1530146 Bobbyrib
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Oh, they'll just raise our rates..

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:29 | 1529191 Thomas Jefferson
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Ben is going to fire dollars out of his ass due this downgrade.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:06 | 1529344 Spitzer
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-Monday morning, debt rally

-Monday morning, stock rally.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:31 | 1529441 MM76mm
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Big Ben can fire them out of his arse all he wants as long as his helicopter is positioned right over my house, LOL

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:43 | 1529641 Troll Magnet
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Lloyd Blankfein, is that you?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:29 | 1529192 TwelfthVulture
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I think it shows the underlying pathology of the entire system.  Notice that one of the orginators of the memo is the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve.  And what do they direct:

For risk-based capital purposes, the risk weights for Treasury securities and other securities issued or guaranteed by the U.S. government, government agencies, and government-sponsored entities will not change. The treatment of Treasury securities and other securities issued or guaranteed by the U.S. government, government agencies, and government-sponsored entities under other federal banking agency regulations, including, for example, the Federal Reserve Board’s Regulation W, will also be unaffected.

So, the purchases of Treasuries and other agency issues under QE1, QE1.5 and QE2 are to be considered as AAA rated on the books of financial institutions. 

Now, consider, what do you think would be the effect on the Federal Reserve's own balance sheet if all those purchases were marked down from AAA to AA+?

Paging, Ron Paul.  Paging, Ron Paul.  Will Ron Paul please pick up the blue courtesy phone located througout the lobby.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:55 | 1529293 Doyle Hargraves
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Congress is conveniently on a 5 week recess when this all goes down, they will be back in town soon to address the BAC takedown though. Hopefully, Dr. Paul will address all this shit since he is chair of monetary policy subcommittee.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:00 | 1529311 Bob Sacamano
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The only problem with the 5 week recess is that it is not 5 years.  90% of them are clueless how the real world works. 

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:09 | 1529350 Spitzer
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Ron Paul is leaving that post to run for prez

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:10 | 1529354 Doyle Hargraves
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Yeah the fact they can go on so many recesses justifies even further the need to go back to a part time legislature. But Ron doesn't really fit their mold anyway.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 08:12 | 1530047 Landrew
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You do realize they are not on vacation for 5 weeks, they are at home for 5 weeks. They should be home more ofthen in touch with their districts.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:05 | 1530325 Doyle Hargraves
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Well they are on recess, but it just goes to strengthen the argument for a part time legislature so they can become more familiar with their constituents by not having homes,(most all of them have homes there), in dc but in their districts and stay in a hotel when they are in dc. They only visit their districts, home is DC for most of those bastards/bitchez!

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:12 | 1529549 XenoFrog
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It's hilarious that last week, the threat of a downgrade was all doom and gloom from these folks, and tonight it has changed to, "Fuck S&P and their ratings we don't care."

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:25 | 1529596 caerus
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insolvency is sooooo hot right now...

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:38 | 1529734 Cursive
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It's hilarious that last week, the threat of a downgrade was all doom and gloom from these folks, and tonight it has changed to, "Fuck S&P and their ratings we don't care."

Post of the Night.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:20 | 1530240 island
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Good observation.  +++++

Ionesco = theatre of the absurd.

FIRE economy = reality of the absurd.


Sat, 08/06/2011 - 14:15 | 1531190 ElTerco
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Stages of Grief:


  • Denial (this isn't happening to me!)
  • Anger (why is this happening to me?)
  • Bargaining (I promise I'll be a better person if...)
  • Depression (I don't care anymore)
  • Acceptance (I'm ready for whatever comes)


Sat, 08/06/2011 - 14:22 | 1531224 ElTerco
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Stages of Denial:

Stage one denial is when a person truly does not believe that they have the disease of chemical addiction.

Stage two denial is when a person denies the need for ongoing sobriety support after treatment is completed. 

Stage three denial is the denial of the need to be willing to go to any length in the recovery process. 

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:30 | 1529194 PaperBugsBurn
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Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:31 | 1529195 Tejano
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A fiat AAA rating. How cool is that?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:28 | 1529431 MM76mm
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How cool would it be to pay your bills with money printed out of your printer?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:33 | 1529199 Long-John-Silver
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Sure! We will give you back your money in US Dollars when the Bonds mature. Ben Bernanke has designed a new Bill just for Bond redemption’s.


Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:45 | 1529742 StychoKiller
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Who's on the front of that note, "Homey the Clown?"

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:30 | 1529200 Chasecran
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Bonkers. Printing AAA takes more ink anyway. Efficiency is key in printing stuff on paper.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:30 | 1529201 Chasecran
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Bonkers. Printing AAA takes more ink anyway. Efficiency is key in printing stuff on paper.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:35 | 1529214 Long-John-Silver
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AAA = 01000001 01000001 01000001

AA = 01000001 01000001

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:10 | 1529357 snowball777
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AA+ == 0x41 0x41 0x2b

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:00 | 1529520 Yen Cross
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  I miss that old login " 777"  I mis you telling us about you're family.   we care about you.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:34 | 1529204 PaperBugsBurn
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Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:33 | 1529207 Rodent Freikorps
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Lies, damned lies, and Obama Administration lies.

The most honest administration, evarrrr.

Lying commie shitbags.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:46 | 1529263 kridkrid
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Finance fascism has no party alligience.  Making it about Obama is a red herring.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 02:22 | 1529791 firefighter302
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It's all about Obama.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:50 | 1529273 PaperBugsBurn
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As if that redneck mccain would have been any different... lmao



Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:53 | 1529291 Rodent Freikorps
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When did I claim McCain isn't a lying commie shitbag?

The only difference is McCain lies about being a commie.

He actually revels in openly being a traitor shitbag to anyone stupid enough to trust him.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:13 | 1529380 snowball777
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Another "if it ain't Ron (can't win, but runs anyway collecting dollars the whole time) Paul, it's commie" krishna!

Ronnie Paulie Paulie Krishna Krishna Paulie Paulie Ronnie...

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:23 | 1529552 tickhound
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That reminds me... Where's Dennis been?  We know Grayson's toast, there's Dennis... Where's the Fed bashing Bush-Doctrine hating progressives when you need these bitchez?  I'll throw 'em a few bucks.  All things considered, we're getting off cheap with Ron and these guys.  The truth alone is worth...

+1 in spirit cuz deep down you know you were harsh, and may have had a cocktail or two.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:06 | 1530327 Raphio
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I say Paul/Kucinich (Kucinich/Paul?)  2012 - for the new Progressive Libertarian Alliance

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 13:15 | 1530875 Cathartes Aura
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you guys are funny - do you really believe that individuals affect this behemoth?  that if you choose a different flavour, you get a different outcome? 


the system, the structure, the whole top heavy mirage of a nationstate is what needs to be seen as broken, false, finished - not the fucking figureheads.

it's over, it's been over for years, now it just has to die. . . in your minds.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 19:05 | 1531881 Inibo E. Exibo
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From all these indignities, such as the very beasts of the field would not endure, you can deliver yourselves if you try, not by taking action, but merely by willing to be free. Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. ~Étienne de La Boétie

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:36 | 1529209 YesWeKahn
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The FEd is funny. It prints free money to buy treasuries. Now the interest rate is going through the roof, they should be super happy, why complain?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:44 | 1529248 malikai
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You'll understand it all a little better when nominal rates are > 10%, unemployment is at 20%(50%), and the CPI is cruising along at 10%(40%).

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:56 | 1529667 FIAT_FixItAgainTony
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you forgot to add the consumer confidence index sinking down under 53%, the new low of lows from our already low of 53.6 from 2007-2009 on average.

"The Latest Conference Board Consumer Confidence Index was released this morning based on data collected through July 14th. The 59.5 reading is better than the consensus estimate of 56.0, reported by, and a improvement from the June downward revision to 57.6 (from 58.5). "  -  Doug Short 7/26/11

note the date, a lot's happened since then and as you say, we'll all get to understand it a better.

Stack, Load, Guard, Rinse, Repeat

this is going to be epic ! ! !

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:34 | 1529210 economessed
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I'm mailing soft red clown noses to each of their offices right now.  One size fits all.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 12:17 | 1530586 -Michelle-
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Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:37 | 1529212 ApeMilesHigh
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So where do we see the the dollar come Sunday night ,Monday morning?

Signifcant Drop?

Precious metals initially down , but up by end of week?

DJIA down a 1000 points on the week?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:34 | 1529452 mayhem_korner
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Food for thought:

I think it's more meaningful if the market DOESN'T respond a whole lot, because that means that it's already been priced in. 

I would watch, among other things, whether the Indo-Asian PM buying ratchets up on Monday morning, and whether the flight from Euro buys down a big chunk of the nominal yield uptick on USTs or migrates elsewhere.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:14 | 1529556 Threeggg
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After what happened today are we to believe "anything" as far as market response ?

Go long printing presses

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 08:21 | 1530057 Landrew
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I was expecting something had happened after trading all day. The news was out to a select few. You could see the shock and response. I would guess now Q3 has now been baked in. We might see a flat trading period now until the CON gang of 12 meet.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:05 | 1529685 teolawki
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Think contrarian. Remember, the USD isn't the only fiat on the shitheap.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:35 | 1529216 brokesville
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oh crap, nobody runs bartertown, hey timmy break a deal face the wheel

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:13 | 1529377 CrashisOptimistic
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Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:06 | 1529688 TBT or not TBT
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Timmaaay in S&M gear, thanks for that.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:38 | 1529221 FidelityBoy
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Since the DOLLAR has inevitably to go down from this downgrade, what further impact would QE3 have?  Tyler?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:02 | 1529235 tickhound
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I'm no Tyler but I'm goin' with further down. 

...the dollar did gain (vs fiat) following the April outlook downgrade, however.  You never know with the bs these boys fling

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:37 | 1529226 lolmao500
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Obama's reaction when he heard the downgrade decision probably looked like that...

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:40 | 1529227 At120
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No suprise.  A statement along these lines is necessary in order to prevent funds from liquidating treasuries due to covenant restrictions.



Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:14 | 1529385 CrashisOptimistic
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Correct, but there are ripples.

Munis are tied.  There will be an avalanche of liquidations from pension funds and mutual funds who are not allowed to hold munis below various grades.

This is serious stuff.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:51 | 1529653 RockyRacoon
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I'll be promptly corrected if I'm wrong -- this is Fight Club after all.   But, I believe it takes more than one ratings agency to effect a dumping of Ts due to the down grade.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 07:47 | 1530017 buzzsaw99
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if usa treasuries aren't aaa nothing is. not everyone will be able to hide in swiss francs. we're gonna need a bigger mattress.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 08:23 | 1530061 Landrew
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Liquidation to what? Oh I will move a billion to Euros, Pounds, Peso, Oil, Corn, Gold? Right, there is nothing to move to. Other countries are in worse shape then we are. Oh, maybe they move to China, right. I wouldn't even move my money to China unless I went with it.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 09:46 | 1530171 Bobbyrib
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How can you not trust the Chinese? When they say they have not been involved in hacking into our national defense systems I believe them.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:40 | 1529228 token
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Turbo Tim is going down on Tuesday.  I just read it in my fortune cookie!

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:42 | 1529236 snowball777
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On whom?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:55 | 1529243 token
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Big Ben and the twins?  I mean, little Ben and the twins. 

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:50 | 1529272 XitSam
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I've heard that you should always add "in bed" to the end of any fortune cookie.

Turbo Tim is going down on Tuesday in bed.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:41 | 1529234 snowball777
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Dear S&P,

Blah blah blah. We can't hear you.


The Fed

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:42 | 1529246 Jim in MN
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PS We fart in your general direction.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:52 | 1529655 snowball777
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I told him we already got one!

Ficher le vache!

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:01 | 1529677 FIAT_FixItAgainTony
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ah yes, it's a very nice......

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 06:55 | 1529980 g
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Great Monty Python reference!

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:52 | 1529657 RockyRacoon
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In your enthusiasm, beware the deadly shart!

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:43 | 1529239 flaunt
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And just like that, problem solved.  Man this central planning stuff is easy.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:43 | 1529241 Global Hunter
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So what happens if a small or medium sized regional bank agrees with S&P or a brokerage, does Obama get Holder and Janet what's his name to visit?

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:53 | 1529659 snowball777
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Worse: the IRS.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:45 | 1529247 Doyle Hargraves
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All this so early in the weekend and the takedown of BAC still hasn't happened. Think Sunday 3PM EST, futures goto hell, Asia crashes, QE3 goes into full effect...

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:56 | 1529666 snowball777
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There's still time to set base charges at Jacks Em Whole.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 07:51 | 1530021 buzzsaw99
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put neil bush in charge of security

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:49 | 1529249 Village Idiot
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Why wasnt NOAA consulted. We may need an ark.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:55 | 1529663 snowball777
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C'mon man...they're in charge of global warming...not global printing.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:10 | 1529691 TBT or not TBT
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The ATF should be up in arms too.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:47 | 1529256 24KGOLD FOIL HAT
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Historic moment...fog is lifting...ugly face of reality dead ahead.

A bit shocked...knew it was coming but when its out of the shadows...sobering

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:29 | 1529722 MsCreant
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I wish it were so, but unless I have heard "wolf" too often, I just don't think so, just yet.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:46 | 1529743 24KGOLD FOIL HAT
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Wasnt saying the end is near but some reality is here.  Heard a good one: US economy is like an elephant=takes a lot to bring it down.  And; an old pro thinks the $ could take 20 years to die. 

My Chinese friend gave me the Asian view:

1. All China has is pieces of UST paper.  US govt could void those any time.

2. US Military is an 800 megaton gorilla; top of the pyramid.

From the outside lookin in, we have a mere flesh wound.  From the inside lookin out, two arms have been sliced off!

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 02:18 | 1529788 MsCreant
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I'll give you this, more folks are waking up. I have agreed to do a business deal with someone in PMs if needed. Guy does not read ZH but he would fit in well here.

I guess a giant takes longer to fall, so the drama before the fall will be be bigger (and in slow mo).

If you are used to always getting your way, then it hurts more when you don't, you don't have the experience to cope with it in sane ways.

We are a giant spoiled baby. The world is in for it when we do finally collapse.

One commentator has a book out called "The Long Emergency." He probably has it about right.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:53 | 1529277 Number 156
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Its the end of the S&P. It made political enemies that are well vested into and part of the financial ponzi system in the US.

Since they are already acting out of desperation to save themselves, they will attempt to discredit and destroy S&P.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:21 | 1529407 Bob Sacamano
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Maybe.  But investors (who care about money) may see S&P as one of the more credible raters due to this brief moment of candor. 

Also, about two years ago their CEO publicly came out asking that rating requirements be eliminated from all federal regulations (which would run contrary to their monopolistic revenue stream) -- suggesting that they should live off of whatever the market pays them for good credit evaluations (not rules requiring ratings).

So while I am no fan of the rating agencies (have directly dealt with them all), these actions improve S&P's standing with me -- and maybe others who are in the capital markets.  An enemy of the federal government, may very likely be a friend to capital.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:00 | 1530206 Bobbyrib
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S&P is shit. They still rated the CDO's as AAA. If they want business from the banks, they need to overrate their WMD's. If I had a business and was at the top of my industry, I would probably want to get rid of all the costly regulations that govern my industry too. Fuck S&P.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:53 | 1529280 RobotTrader
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Might want to check the interest rates on AA+ rated corporate bonds vs. AAA rated.

Probably a 5 b.p. difference.

And how does AA-rated Japan get the luck of having 1.0% interest rates on 10-yr. JGB's???

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:13 | 1529375 Spitzer
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By having a 20% savings rate.

Hell, I agree anyway. Treasuries and the US dollar will rally on monday.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 23:17 | 1529388 Rynak
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And how does AA-rated Japan get the luck of having 1.0% interest rates on 10-yr. JGB's???

Interest rates are meaningless, if the only one who bothers borrowing to you, is you yourself.

US bonds == worth less then shit (hey, you can at least raise crops with shit)

EU bonds == same

japan bonds == same

Lending to anyone who will just inflate it away == uh, do we see a pattern here?


But of course, you knew that already robomoron, you were just spewing "buy less than shit, it's great!"-propaganda. By the way, who are your employers anyways? I'd suspect GS, but i'm not sure about that.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:07 | 1529534 kito
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Robo, do your charts tell you that this is the country that holds the world's reserve currency? And because of that the downgrade is a watershed moment in the history of world monetary policy??

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 20:29 | 1532013 malikai
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Didn't you hear? Robo has been reduced to using Tarot charts these days.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 22:53 | 1529282 Mr Sir
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France is AAA? France?? Really? Doesn't matter, give the equity junkies their QE man.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 00:00 | 1529503 Rynak
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ratings no longer are about what is "good" but more about the "least shortterm evil"...... are you gonna blow up later than the rest? Then you're "good"!

Phrased differently: Transpose all ratings downwards by 3, and you get an average rating of "how soon they'll implode".

What else do you expect anyways, in a global financial system, where constant debt increase is a given, and the only difference is "how much" and "how long until it will be defaulted on", under the assumption that you are a lender, playing russian roulette on who is least probable to shoot himself in the head, during the timespan when you're holding said bonds?

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:12 | 1529692 TBT or not TBT
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France'll default first.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 01:38 | 1529735 blunderdog
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The Eurozone just "centralized" their shit.  Germany'll lend France the interest rates, just like it's gonna for Greece.  120% GDP in debt's no big deal if the rates are 1%, right?

Even knowing how prevalent the bullshit is, Europe has more gold than the US.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 06:58 | 1529982 g
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You must mean tungsten.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:03 | 1530212 Bobbyrib
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Combined, but do you think they would pool it together to save the EU? I'm guess France and Germany would not.

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