Jon Stewart On The Ron "13th Floor In A Hotel" Paul Media Blackout

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Tue, 08/16/2011 - 14:40 | 1566321 TruthInSunshine
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I'm a social moderate and fiscal conservative (real conservative, not the mutated kind that some claim is conservatism, but is really a mutant strain of butchery that really is neoconservatism - or the neocon falsehood), and anyone who doesn't know that Fox News is NewsCorp's American front operation for the neocons, run by Roger Ailes, should probably regroup and throw out everything they think they "know" and all the assumptions they're currently operating under.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:07 | 1565279 kridkrid
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It's crazy that I'm considered a conspiracy theorist by many of my friends when things like this are in such plain sight.  This isn't even open for debate.  It's not like these various networks were saying "kind of" the same thing... they were using the SAME EXACT LANGUAGE.  This doesn't just happen. 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:14 | 1565320 Thomas
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They blacked him out in '08 also. Nobody cared then, but now his message seems to resonate.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:16 | 1565330 chubbar
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Exactly! Having every major news show saying "top tier" and excluding Ron Paul is NOT a coincidence. The MSM has outed itself as a completely controlled pys ops program for the continued manipulationl of the american citizenry.



Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:28 | 1565395 WonderDawg
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True, but unfortunately, the masses won't pick up on it and it will go on with business as usual. I'm like the one who posted above in that when I try to point these things out to those in my circle, I get the eye roll and "there he goes again" response. It's discouraging but I keep trudging.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:05 | 1565583 pods
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I bet you that at least a dozen ZH'ers smiled when they read that line.  I was one of them.  Cannot hold a conversation with most anymore and have a serious talk about things. I guess that is why we gravitate here?


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:28 | 1565715 Temporalist
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Totally Wonderdawg and Pods.  Gold, preparedness, unsustainability of fiscal policy, The Fed, welfare/warfare state...nobody wants to listen.  Funny though after a few years of telling people to buy precious metals a couple have come around...increasing wealth always seems to make people listen and Ron Paul has been buying gold since $35/oz.


I think the best approach is to tell people Ron Paul has been right about everything for decades from economy to public policy to wars and most of all following the Constitution and Liberty!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 13:38 | 1566065 Vergeltung
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you make a good point there, hard to argue.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 13:49 | 1566124 TruthInSunshine
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Krugman would argue that Ron Paul's ideas would cause economic hardship, and that heroin can't and shouldn't be withheld from a junky. In fact, Krugman would argue that heroin doses should be doubled at the slightest signs of withdrawal.

I'd argue that Ron Paul's ideas, put into practice, are the only way the heroin junky, who is driving himself deeper and deeper into debt and health crises, gets clean is to go through some form of credible treatment and commit to forever forgo there old bad habits, bad advisers, bad friends and bad ways, generally - it's a lifelong committment, and it takes a period of readjustment, but it is the only way to not self-destruct on a longer horizon.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:08 | 1565592 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Cognitive dissonance is incredibly powerful...It is like bad magic.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 15:39 | 1570034 Hephasteus
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Exactly. Illusory magic.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:28 | 1565402 imapopulistnow
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It does happen.   Paul's followers are ardent but the rest of the nation, media included, thinks he is quirky.

That said, cudos to Stewart.  Paul deserves fair treatment from the media.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:37 | 1565452 kridkrid
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With all due respect, NO, it doesn't just happen.  I think you're missing the point.  They used the exact same language, the exact same three candidates, left the exact same straw poll runner-up off the list.  That doesn't just happen.  That is a coordinated effort to shape public opinion between the major media outlets.  There is absolutely no other way of looking at it.  The level of denial required to see it any other way is substantial, though completely expected by me as it relates to our horribly unenlightened electorate.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:16 | 1565638 seek
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Not only that, but most of them had the same order of the list... and the leaders of the poll weren'tt the top pick for the list. All the repeated "top tier" candidates were Romney and Perry -- neither strong on the Iowa poll results.

They're trying to cram two candidates the people don't want ahead of everyone else. I agree with you, it's coordinated, not accidental and increasingly transparent. They certainly are appearing desperate to handle this so clumsily.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 16:49 | 1566709 iDealMeat
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+1,  It was blatantly obvious from the shills reading off the "Top tier" names and counting on their fingers. I also caught a sense of consternation that they couldn't mention Paul's name when he was #2 on the list.. You can tell they anticipated getting called out for the tactic. Following they're masters may keep their job for another day but it terminal to their reputation and career..  

Game On!!  This psyops election cycle is going to be a lot of fun to watch.. 

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 13:12 | 1565950 Winston Smith 2009
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You miss the point.  Ron Paul refused to swallow a foot-long corn dog on-camera like the other candidates did.  That alone proved that he was not up to the job of Corporate President.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:34 | 1565449 Alasdair
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You're right, but this isn't new.  It happens nearly everyday.  And Jon Stewart's show regularly slaps together the montage displaying it.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:07 | 1565280 fyrebird
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The MSM are worse than pathetic.

The MSM are a nest of manipulative, treasonous vipers. Their entire industry is a pox on humanity.

Future generations will not have "news organizations" because that will have become as discredited a field of work as slave trader. There will always be reporters and commentators, but some day they'll be given the same credibility as social gossips.

I have more respect for actual whores --  women selling their bodies for money -- than I do for these MSM attention whores.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:19 | 1565346 Widowmaker
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"The MSM are a nest of manipulative, treasonous vipers. Their entire industry is a pox on humanity."

Just say liberal.   That is exactly how a liberal media monopoly behaves.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:33 | 1565757 Temporalist
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No it's not just liberal news it's any mainstream American news outlet.  BBC, RussiaToday, and Al-Jazeera are better than U.S. news.  You think Limbaugh and O'Reilly aren't complete utter right wing nutjob shills?  They consistently paint the picture to suit their agenda.  They are not news people, just commentators, yet people get their news from them so their bias infects their listeners and spreads misinformation.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:26 | 1565386 Smiddywesson
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I have more respect for actual whores --  women selling their bodies for money -- than I do for these MSM attention whores.

Actual whores are better than the MSM, they only spread disease to one member of the public at a time.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:42 | 1565493 Doyle Hargraves
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actual whores are probably a lot more honest about the fact they are whores, too.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:19 | 1565659 TruthInSunshine
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Whore are pretty much full disclosure about how they operate.

The MSM is a diseased whore that dresses and acts the part of respectable, informative 4th institution (de facto) of governance.

We are in big trouble as judging by the mechanism of whoredom that feeds the American Populace worse than useless information (destructive disinformation) 24/7.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:07 | 1565283 firstdivision
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Que the political nutcases that have found this site in 4...3...2...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:28 | 1565401 fuu
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No they don't post down here. They will start replying up top with a bunch of whacked out racial bullshit.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:08 | 1565284 Youri Carma
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FOX News Running Another Online Poll and Once Again Ron Paul in the Lead

The poll is on the right side of the page.

Michele Bachmann 4.68% (1,211 votes)

Ron Paul 74.12% (19,195 votes)

Rick Perry 17.4% (4,506 votes)

Mitt Romney 2.58% (668 votes)

Other 1.22%

And check out The Daily Show’s Facebook wall! Hundreds of Ron Paul posts!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:22 | 1565360 Long-John-Silver
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I found that. I about fell off my chair after I voted and checked the results. In "normal times" he would never have a chance. We are no longer living in a normal world.

I'm not sure he can get past the electrical collage even if he got 80% of the popular vote. At that point we could see a real uprising ageist the Status Que.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:40 | 1565482 tmosley
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I read an article on social psychology recently that claimed that once an idea or ideology was adopted by 10% of the population, that it would eventually come to universal adoption.  If it is below 10%, no amount of time will ead to higher adoption rates.  It has something to do with the number of times a given person hears about something (ie, a few times makes them think its crazy, a lot of times makes them accept it as truth).  Ron Paul and his stalwart ideology seems to be fast approaching that 10% level, if it hasn't already breached it.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:53 | 1565545 kridkrid
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that may be the most exciting post I've ever read on this site.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:14 | 1565622 karzai_luver
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but however , complete rubbish.



Tue, 08/16/2011 - 14:21 | 1566251 mick_richfield
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Brilliant riposte, man.  You really got us writhing in the grip of pure reason.


His 10% threshold idea sounded pretty good to me.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 21:39 | 1567526 karzai_luver
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complete rubbish, can you not think of a few 10% crowds that do not and never did become oh well , why bother?


it's clear you can't or you would not have posted such drivel.


Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:11 | 1565603 asdasmos
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The 100th monkey.....

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:45 | 1565815 Temporalist
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Right.  It's also a suggested principle of memes.  If the media tells you enough times that you should put your faith in government, your money in theiving institutions, enough people listening will believe it and make it socially acceptable.


Hell look at the stranglehold religion has had on brainwashing the masses.  Just emulate them.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 15:40 | 1570048 Hephasteus
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The 100th monkey is a fallacy. It doesn't occur. The collective conciousness doesn't work like that.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 08:55 | 1571995 Incubus
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duh.  tell a lie enough times and people will believe it as reality. 


That's how civilization has always existed: lies presented as absolute; objective. Divine and unquestionable.

Whether it's some king/"god in the flesh," or "representatives" of some "higher" concept--there will always be lies to allow the few to exploit the many. 

And it isn't just limited to the "need" to subject yourself to said "higher concepts": people operate in their day-to-day lives by lying to themselves. 

Most of what we sense and "know" of the world is filtered through our limited human ability at discerning information; all are just attempts at narrative.  All theatre, nothing real--just representation; symbolism--guidance for the masses.

Simple to see how shallow our human world is--our human make-believe world--just do what any kid would do.  Ask, "Why?" And the question is indeed, "Why?"

Why do we continue with this make believe society when we could just make something better: the rules are rules that "we" have made--purgatories of convention; of bipeds that're afraid of themselves and of the world; of "freedom" to exist without capitulation to petty human attempts of making sense through the perversion of perception.

And yes: all perception is perversion; I am as you are: burdened with existing.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:45 | 1565814 Abiotic Oil
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The Hundredth Monkey?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 15:09 | 1566437 EvlTheCat
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The 100th Monkey
A story about social change.
By Ken Keyes Jr.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 13:16 | 1565967 Winston Smith 2009
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"I read an article on social psychology recently that claimed that once an idea or ideology was adopted by 10% of the population, that it would eventually come to universal adoption."

Yeah, but how many decades does it take for that to happen?

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 14:58 | 1566383 blunderdog
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This has been pretty well documented, although I seem to recall the percentage was a bit higher.  Nothing to quibble over.

The real problem is that there's a HUGE gap between the adoption of an idea by a population and the changing of government policy to support the idea.

There are any number of incredibly obvious examples of cases where way more than 10% of the people hold an opinion or view that is completely rejected by institutional power.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 21:41 | 1567532 karzai_luver
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ok, amaze me, lay out your examples , let's see what you have.....



Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:24 | 1565371's picture

This Paulbot just voted. Thanks for the link.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 13:35 | 1566052 malalingua
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This paultard did too.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:08 | 1565290 dcb
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i was going to write the nyimes today because their article yesterday on the poll really didn't even mention Paul. it got even stranger, they mention rommney and perry. romney finished way back and perry just entered. also no mention on how bachman bought and bussed her votes and provided entertainment. i expect the ban from fox, but i think theliberal elites are also scsred because he has a lot of crossover there, out of wars, out of bedroom, end corporate give aways.



Tue, 08/16/2011 - 14:23 | 1566263 mick_richfield
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Don't write and complain.   They are undead.   Just cancel your subscription, and delete your bookmarks.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:08 | 1565291 Translational Lift
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This JS clip tells you all you need to know about the MSM including FOX.....especially FOX!!    SICK!!

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:25 | 1565381's picture

The Judge, Stossel and Cavuto have all provided good coverage of Ron Paul on Fox. And I'm no Fox fan.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 13:06 | 1565911 I Got Worms
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Judge N. had a fantastic interview with Ron Paul last night. Worth checking out.

He also had Steve Forbes on talking about a return to the gold standard, and asked him point blank "if Forbes really thought the US had any physical gold in its reserves because Ft Knox hasnt been audited." I was shocked to hear that question on Fox (although the Judge did have the Building What? people on once) but Forbes changed the subject to auditing the Federal Reserve and didn't touch the question.

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:09 | 1565294 Tense INDIAN
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the media totally doesnt ignore Ron Paul.....he comes in the media often as the leading  supporter of the constitution...isnt he the most favourite among the Americans now...without the mainstream media creating an image of him as the main person fighting for the people, he wouldnt be this well known ...

didnt Bachmann win that poll in Iowa ....out of nowhere...Ron Paul was 2nd ....well thats how its designed to be ....he will be just there showing to the people that there is someone fighting for the people...but just cant  make it when it matters most....and ultimately this keeps dragging on ...untill the end game comes ...

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