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Jon Stewart's Extended Interview With Ron Paul

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About a month ago, after everyone in the wholly conflicted media (just ask one question: who pays all that advertising money - nuf said), on both the left and the right, was ignoring the most promising presidential candidate this country has had in decades, Jon Stewart decided to take Ron Paul under his wing, and made it clear that while those who don't matter can pretend to ignore Ron, the one man who does, and who reaches more than most of the legacy "serious media" combined, has certainly noticed Paul. Naturally Stewart could have left it there, especially given his own personal political view. To his great credit, he did not. Instead last night in an extended exclusive interview, he presented Ron Paul in a way that he should have been presented from the beginning: no tricks, no gotchas, no gimmicks, no commercial breaks every 45 seconds. Hopefully this is the beginning of the transition of the Paul campaign to one where he has enough critical mass to be taken seriously by everyone - something "everyone" should be doing regardless.

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Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:33 | 1716169 Newsboy
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Go Jon, Go Ron!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:38 | 1716178 Cynical Sidney
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get on ron paul/huntsman ticket

if bruno loves ron paul so can i

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:45 | 1716192 Ahmeexnal
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Jon Stewart 2016??

 

and since we are on the topic of media blackouts, seems the MSM is mute about Ogolfer being outed as the antichrist at a fundraiser in LA's House of Blues.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:33 | 1716371 MillionDollarBonus_
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If it weren’t for his extreme views on just about everything, Ron Paul might actually be a credible presidential candidate. Among Mr Paul’s other dangerous views and beliefs, the following concern me the most:

1. He supports regular audits of the Federal Reserve, which would seriously compromise their ability to set monetary policy independently without political meddling

2. He favours the end of social security which could see millions of elderly and disabled people on the streets during these tough economic times

3. He intends to legalise ALL drugs, giving children access to life-threatening substances such as marijuana, cocaine and heroin to name a few

4. Mr Paul follows the long discredited ‘Austrian school of economics’ which consists of nothing but a motley crew of eccentric and clownish anarchists

5. He supports the legalisation of gay marriage at the state level, which could see children being raised by parents of the same sex

Quite frankly, Ron Paul is an embarrassment and should leave politics to more mature professionals who know how to represent America properly.

 

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:34 | 1716385 lunaticfringe
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When did telling the truth become extreme?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:43 | 1716414 kk1532003
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Truth is treason in the Kingdom of Lies...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:02 | 1716472 Robot Traders Mom
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@milliondollar-Go troll the Toronto Sun. You know that nobody in here thinks that is a remotely intelligent statement, right? At least try to be funny next time...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:18 | 1716513 mcguire
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seriously.. milliondollar is clearly a cass sunstien mouth whore..

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:02 | 1716808 Almost Solvent
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He's a professional deadpan comedic mastermind.

 

Simply stunning, fucking hilarious and I can't believe how many on this site miss the in your face deadpan snarc.

 

Milliondollar is a master performance artist in the great tradition of comedians.  

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:15 | 1716841 AmericanFUPAcabra
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I think its funny he/she/it can still get people fired up and take him seriously. That is the point of trolling, no?

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 01:03 | 1717448 Oh regional Indian
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All these actors are a part of the plunder. Why is it so hard to see that RP is AS MUCH establishment as every other serving politico. It canot be otherwise.

Pied piper for libertarian Wannabes. Otherwise, so weak a leader that he could never call/rally enough of his re-pubes around him to make any difference/ Stop a war? Reduce taxes? Block the TARP? 

Something more than tongue-wag?

Bah, Humbug. People get the "leaders" they deserve.

ORI

Thunder, Perfect Mind

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 05:23 | 1717687 jeff montanye
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it does seem impossible that ron paul could be nominated, elected and avoid assassination (not to mention co-option) long enough to govern.  

but don't we have to try?  

with romney and perry trying to knock each other off, he's in a not bad tactical position.  with the nation/world reentering a recession within a depression there is/will be great incentive for voters to consider different ideas/messengers.  his main policy ideas (stop the bailouts, stop the wars) are actually popular everywhere but among the power elite.  obama is a weak and weakening opponent (as are his republican rivals).  

imo the toughest opponent is the national security state whose collective trigger finger is so so ready to take out r.p. and, say, huntsman to deliver us to the mercies of president boehner.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 08:31 | 1717948 Oh regional Indian
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Jeff, look at these times we live in. obama has broken every electiion promise he made except promising more hope and change. He still looks like a happy pres and no million man march on the Capitaol, yet anyways.

Take a look a these...

Weird Hillary Stuff

I don't believe he can stand on his plank for a day once in office. 

Thus the whole charade needs to come down. Ploitics will not solve the problem.

Fox, Henhouse and all that.

ORI

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:19 | 1717172 IEVI
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Hey you know that guy that a lot of you love to hate bob_dabolina ..the guy is a total fraud. He started a blog to prove what a great trader he is. Claims he turned 100,000 into 2.4M this year. What he failed to mention is that it was in a TOS papertrading account. It is fucking easy to push the buy and sell button when you have no real money at risk.

Check out these images of today's latest post where he claims to have made $62,000 today. If you look closely at the detail on the screenshot of his position statement you will see a button that says Reset All Positions. This button doesn't exist in a real trading account with real money. Coincidently(not) all TOS Papertrade accounts start with $100,000.

http://imgur.com/a/xui01

I seriously hope bob_dabolina is a 16 year old who is just fucking around with everyone, because if he is an adult all I can say is..wow...what a pathetic excuse for a man!

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:50 | 1717247 IEVI
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After I called Bob out on his blog he edited the screen shot of his "trade" and erased my post where I pointed out the reset button to another poster. What a douche!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:03 | 1717275 bob_dabolina
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I didn't erase shit, 

I'll do ANOTHER fucking post on this BS

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:10 | 1717288 IEVI
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You cropped the original screenshot to remove the Reset All Positions button.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:14 | 1717290 bob_dabolina
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BULLSHIT

I just posted a full screenshot asshole (with my acct # redacted) I've done this before on multiple pages for other assholes. 

You're paranoid

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:18 | 1717300 IEVI
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I think you are losing your mind. Your new screenshot shows your P/L  for today as 0 (as in zero..no money...nada) What happened to the $165,000 in profit  that you claimed you made on /GC in the previous post titled

Closeout: Two hours + $165,000  
Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:23 | 1717309 Jack Napier
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I've beaten this dead horse, and will continue to do so. Ron Paul's wife and daughters are in the Order of the Eastern Star, the masonic order. He has ties to a secret society like every other president. This likely assures he will win, and people will cheer. So what if he wants to sell all our gold, which would address all of about 3% of the national debt. People keep saying Ron Paul doesn't get any media coverage, but that's just untrue. He gets plenty. ZeroHedge readers, if you are as educated as you think you are, be wary of this guy. If you want a real champion of the truth without strings attached check out Chuck Baldwin. Most of you probably don't know who he is anyway. He is what Ron Paul is painted as, but the genuine article.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 02:04 | 1717527 tip e. canoe
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whose gold is that?   not my gold, yours?   you mean the gold that was stolen in the first place?   you sure it's still there?   you sure it isn't already sold or leased or pledged as collateral against loans that can never be paid back?   is that the gold you're referring to?

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 05:36 | 1717697 jeff montanye
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jack napier: that ron paul's wife and daughter are in the order of the eastern star (and he has ties to (other?) unstated secret societies) assures him of a win?  really?  

Wed, 02/29/2012 - 18:22 | 2210066 Hendiesel
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You are a goober an should be checked in a mental ward.. Although Ron should be elected, he will not because most of the people in the U.S are brainwashed by television, radio, and other media outlets. Expect Obama to be re-elected because our people are complete SHEEP!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:22 | 1717311 IEVI
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I have a TOS account, if you made $165,000 in /GC today it would be there in your latest screenshot, under P/L Day...geez you are pathetic!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:30 | 1717322 55 men
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Wow! nice investigative work. The other day he was calling out Tmosely for making a bad call but on the other hand it was okay for him to make a bad call. Total hypocrite.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:30 | 1717323 Sequitur
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IEVI I think you exposed this guy. "Reset all positions" is not in a trader account. And that P/L showing "0" is a dead giveaway.

Fraudster. Lawlz.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:39 | 1717332 bob_dabolina
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WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!!!! Are you complaining about how I have my layout set up?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:42 | 1717337 Sequitur
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If you made $165,000 today, it would show under your P/L column. Right now, showing zero.

Exposed.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:43 | 1717339 IEVI
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Here's the latest screenshots from his blog.

http://imgur.com/a/Mj1Ed

Where's your profit in G/C Bobby? You claim on your blog you made $165,000 today.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:52 | 1717350 Sequitur
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This is turning out to be quite the detective caper. Look at all the action on his site at http://tradeonfire.blogspot.com/

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:55 | 1717360 55 men
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Awesome...

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:00 | 1717369 Sequitur
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IEVI HOLY SHIT -- now he's altering his computer images to argue it was after midnight and the numbers reset. Yet you SAVED the image showing an 11:00 p.m. print on his screen. Plus his account shows it's still the same day.

Fucking exposed.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:12 | 1717384 55 men
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You guys better save that for when he comes back... Use it for future ammo.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:19 | 1717391 IEVI
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Here's a screenshot of my account with a later time than his. Check out the P/L Day under /SIH2 

Mine didn't reset and neither did his, we are both PST.

http://imgur.com/Ty1zX

 

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:25 | 1717394 Sequitur
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IEVI, you have a screenshot with his computer at 11:00 p.m. So do I. Then he goes and changes it to 12:00 p.m., and tries to argue it "reset" at midnight. Fucking lawlz, TD Ameritrade doesn't work that way.

Stick a fork in him, he's done. As is that bullshit website. FINISHED.

Dabolina "account" showing zero activty and zero P/L with 11:00 p.m. computer timestamp: http://imageshack.us/f/831/bobdabolinaone.png/

And here is Dabolina "altered" image, now arguing it is "after" midnight because of computer screen time: http://imageshack.us/f/163/bobdabolinatwo.png/

Yeep, both accounts reflect not a fucking thing at risk, no positions, no money made/lost. 

 

 

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 03:42 | 1717498 IEVI
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In TOS the futures reset at midnight CST. Since his platform and mine are set to PST the futures P/L would reset at 22:00 PST

His first screenshot shows a time of 20:01 PST and his second shows 20:49 PST ..both before the reset.

Proof of how TOS platform works:

http://imgur.com/UEEOP

bob_dabolina is a total fraud!

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 04:13 | 1717640 Incubus
Wed, 09/28/2011 - 07:17 | 1717793 New_Meat
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All y'all, that is what is called "trading at the hard right edge" ;-) - Ned

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 11:58 | 1718610 tj3
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I am disappoint, Bob.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:53 | 1717119 Michael
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Fuck all the establishment presstitute hores and everything else.

I'm voting for Ron Paul even if I have to write his name in.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:38 | 1717221 CrazyCooter
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The only thing I can add to this wonderful comment is to PRIMARY for Ron Paul ... that means register Republican! If you are a Democrat, what better way to scuttle the Republican odds against Obama than <cough/> getting Ron Paul on the ticket. What could possibly go wrong?

Regards,

Cooter

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:21 | 1717308 donsluck
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And THAT'S why I'm registered republican!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:01 | 1717266 Ident 7777 economy
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Would you prefer the grape Koolaid or the raspberry?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:37 | 1716575 New_Meat
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psst, Mom, Robo and I were on Facebook chatting, he's well, ... worried about you ...  He is kinda' embarrassed that you are hangin' around his old turf.  But, well, ... er ... that is OK by him, it is just that, well, he's kinda' embarrassed.  'cuz, when he was growing up, youi, well, insisted that he learn how to read.  And, you see, he's worried that you can't see the entry on a post called, well "reply".  You see, that allows you to actually, well, reply to the person you are talking to.

But that was always his ... er ... issue.  You'd hang around, not answer to his questions, talk trash (I'm quoting here!), and, well, steal his girlie books.

So, he was wishing if you'd use the "reply" button.  Thanks.

- Ned

{and to paraphrase, you could "stand a little closer to the razor blade" next week when you have your next opportunity}

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:24 | 1716794 G-R-U-N-T
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There may be a chance Herman Cain wins and chooses Paul as Vice President then Paul may have a chance but only if something should happen to Cain while in office.

Otherwise Paul hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of winning. :o

I admire Paul and do agree with much of what he says, however I believe to many of the uneducated voting populace thinks he's a kook. Come to think about it because of this Cain, if nominated which is another long shot, may have to chose someone other than Paul for VP.

I also respect Paul's persistence because he brings to light much of the contempt of basic Constitutional principles that policy makers often interfere with.

The odds right now are with Romney, Perry, and possibly Christie should he throws his hat into the ring. If Christie runs I believe he would have a chance of winning.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:59 | 1717135 Ident 7777 economy
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I was waiting for someone to mention Cain -

Go Cain!

RP is so ... yesterday ...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:02 | 1717269 TaxSlave
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Fuckin Federal Reserve Bank Chairman?

 

Fuck That!

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:23 | 1717397 krispkritter
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"Ident is so...fucking stupid". Shut up you vapid POS...you offer the same as the IQ 77 populace, nothing. 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:41 | 1717230 CrazyCooter
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Cain ... the former Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City ... and Ron Paul as VP? Are you a fucking moron?

Regards,

Cooter

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:05 | 1717282 Ident 7777 economy
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It's clear you're a douche, CrazyCooter

Cain bio, short form:

He is the former chairman and CEO of Godfather's Pizza and a former deputy chairman (1992–94) and chairman (1995–96) of the board of directors to the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.

Before his business career he worked as a mathematician in ballistics as a civilian employee of the United States Navy.

Cain's newspaper column is distributed by North Star Writers Group.

- - - - -

And I'll bet he could whip your butt, too, Cooter.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:24 | 1717314 Juan Wild
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if he stands on his head you'll see the true meaning of his "999" plan.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 04:03 | 1717524 zhandax
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I looked Cain up after the SNL spoof and there is quite a bit to like; certainly more than anyone other than RP.  However, the one thing I am not hearing from anyone, and RP had the perfect segue in clip 3 above and passed on the opportunity, is that concentration of power allows the abuses Stewart referred to in the industrial era as mentioned in clip 3.  If a company can grow organically to huge size, I have no real problem with it (after all, how often does that happen?), but to allow a bunch of wall street thieves to get rich from M&A promotion to create monstrosities large enough to buy the government is criminal.  That is why the Sherman anti-trust act was created and is also one of the reasons I hold Teddy Roosevelt in esteem.  Big enough to buy the government is no more acceptable than TBTF.  I like what RP or Cain want to fix, and the way they propose doing it, but allowing these bloated multi-national corporations to continue to exist will insure that any efforts they make to fix the other problems will fail.  What I want to hear, and the guy I will vote for, is the one willing to use Sherman like a fire ax to dismember big agro, big pharma, the MIC, the TBTFs, and all the rest.  Then we can get some jobs back.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 03:24 | 1717602 recoveringibanker
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"9 9 9" upside down is "6 6 6". Sounds about right.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 03:56 | 1717624 zhandax
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Congratulations!  You have a death grip on the obvious.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:02 | 1716474 Fish Gone Bad
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Sometimes the only way to handle the truth is to kill the messenger.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:03 | 1716476 wanklord
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By appealing to tons of bullshit about the Constitution and other patriotic crap, Congressman Ron Paul is able to seduce his brute and ignorant constituency while doing nothing at all in Congress (a clever way to make easy money). Besides that, Americans are just a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. The sooner the US economy collapses the better, so these brutes will finally learn NOT to live beyond their means.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:23 | 1716531 johnny the boy
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RON PAUL OR NONE AT ALL!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:29 | 1716552 New_Meat
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lad, if you actually can get into double digits of days, you'll see  that your choice is rather jejune.

- Ned

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:12 | 1716670 johnny the boy
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Rancid_Meat, move aside, there's fresher meat in town.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:52 | 1716786 nmewn
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Careful boy, he'll grind you up into a Patty ;-)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:24 | 1716863 New_Meat
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gotta find that "rancid_meat" epithet around here.  the child is among some clueless dumbasses.

Quality of trollz in this neighborhood really has gone downhill.

- Ned

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:43 | 1716927 nmewn
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"Quality of trollz in this neighborhood really has gone downhill."

Ain't it the truth?...lol...as millionaire-dolt up top explains to us...marijuana was a "life threatening substance"!!!

People are killing each other trying to get their hands on corporate provided fries & twinkies...clearly another strongly worded statement from the WH or Hollywood is called for here...its insanity!!!...its some sort of "gateway drug" or sumpin leading to obesity & tooth decay!!!

I'm sure the entire medical profession is behind this & are "marijuana pushers"...I really should have saved that for a GW thread ;-)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:07 | 1716989 New_Meat
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;-) "predatory lenders" works its way into these conversations somewhere.

but the tag-team troll wannabeez are humorous.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:33 | 1717062 nmewn
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"but the tag-team troll wannabeez are humorous."

The poor dears don't want to really play...sissies...OMG my fake on-line ID ould be damaged...lol.

I need to go pick a fight somewhere ;-)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:40 | 1717084 X.inf.capt
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hey, guys, this place seems to be full of people looking to stir up something today, no?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:56 | 1717125 tekhneek
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What do you mean: "No?"

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:11 | 1717167 X.inf.capt
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hey, tek, just seems like night of the living trolls...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:21 | 1717181 Bringin It
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New_Meat & nmewn.  A couple of real trolls sharing a special moment.  Beautiful.

Go on record here who's ever driving nmewn today.  Are you for or against the good Doctor?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:21 | 1717197 X.inf.capt
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listen, fool! ned and nmewn are good people, go troll at cnbs or get a real job...

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:50 | 1717249 Bendromeda Strain
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Darn - is it too late to kick Wanklord in the nuts?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:54 | 1717250 X.inf.capt
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well, took ya long enough, ya get to the good part watching sesame street, or romper room? oh, i see, your a quitter. just go join the ranks of all the substandard pondscum that couldnt make the cut in life.

back in the day we would have chewed you up, shit you out, and use you to fertilize Arlington, you meligering loafer...

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 04:17 | 1717643 prole
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The only honest post a sock puppet has ever made.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:55 | 1717251 nmewn
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"...nmewn.  A couple of real trolls sharing a special moment.  Beautiful."

Your too stupid to even understand what just happened up here BI...look down thread...its called interference.

I must admit though, I'm getting a little fatigued beating the shit out of asshole LaRouche infiltrators (like Huxley on Banzai's post) while RP supporters stand there like stone statues on their "principle" of free speech and say nothing to defend him.

Which is the answer to your question...isn't it?...troll.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:58 | 1717261 X.inf.capt
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hey, bro, these trolls pissed me off, how you doing nmewn

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:51 | 1716619 Phil Free
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Don't be a spaz.  Try looking up Herman Cain.  Srsly.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:46 | 1716771 optimator
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Dr. Paul and the treatment the MSM usually gives him reminds me of Barry Goldwater ("In your heart you know he's right!).

I think Dr. Paul should use this handle, "Ron Paul, better late than never".

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:42 | 1717422 FEDbuster
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I will support and vote for Ron Paul in the primary.  He will not win in the current America.  Half of Americans want to be taken care of by the government, including many Republicans.  They expect and demand the government "do something" the fix the economy (meaning blow another bubble, any kind of bubble).  Ron Paul doesn't promise to fix the economy, grow jobs, preform miracles, etc....  He could honestly do a Col. Jessip and tell America "You can't handle the truth", but that won't win elections.

Look for Obama vs. Romney, won't matter who wins they are both bought and paid for.  Congress will still be split, and Rome will burn while they point fingers at each other.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:00 | 1717263 CrazyCooter
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There was a time when people immigrated to America because it was the best country in the world for honest, hard working people to start a new life. Many left behind next to nothing and established family lines and dynasties in our great country (as did mine on both sides).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vjQ7CCrPIw

All that is left today is a husk of our great lady. I am pissed off. I want ass kicking and leadership.

RP is the only chance we have left to retain the greatness we used to have, as we are about to be pushed aside by international bankers and relegated to colony status once again.

Regards,

Cooter

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 01:02 | 1717417 Zero Govt
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Cooter  -  if you're "looking for a leader" why not look in the mirror. You say your family made it great in America and you sound bitter it's not so good for you. Look in the mirror and ask yourself why you need a leader and need to be led? ...there in the mirror is the answer to your question of why you're rudderless, leaderless, moronicus staring back at you

Any twat wanting to follow these charlatans (politician) deserves the miserably life they've CHOSEN for themselves. You think voting for someone else will save you or make you better? What friggin zombie planet do you live on? 

You think voting for one of these corrupt full-of-shit political parties with their sugar coated turds (promises) will change anything? Have you a choice to stop the 3 illegal foreign wars/occupations??? Is there anything in their manifestos to alter 98% of Govts course? Can you change the smoking ban? Can you change the EPA stopping forestors forest? Can you stop the Dept of Agri subsidising corn ethanol? 

The voting system is designed to marginalise your vote. You are 1 vote amongst 100s of thousands. Your chances are greater to jump on a motorbike and hit Europe by taking off a ramp in New York. The voting system is rigged, you have no voice, you have no vote. When on will you fuking wake up and think deeper than a pizza about anything?

Here's the News: there's no colective that works. There's no organisation that'll help you out. You have to do it all for yourself. That's what made America the wrold leader (for a time). Until the charlatans, crooks and parasites of 'democratic Govt' trashed everything that was great: individualism, freedom, free markets.

The parasites of Govt and behind Govt bled the country dry. They impoverished America, the US Govt, by intervening in markets, by robbing productive people of their wealth. Go see the Russian Revolution, the French Revolution, the Chinese Revolution. All were impoverished people bled dry by a parasitical (unproductive) elite.

Only the French Revolution worked (for a time). 2 out of 3, China and Russia, replaced one set of a elite parasites with another set of elite aparsites (socialists-Marxists) who then continued to bleed their country dry and drive it down the sewer.  

You are a sad reflection (pale shadow) of the individualistic drive that built a once great country. You are a living excuse of why the US is going down the toilet. You want to be saved, you're looking for someone else to save you. Do it yourself. Ron Paul won't, he wants smaller Govt, like a baby parasite, just to bleed you dry a little bit less (until it grows bigger)

Govt is the biggest shithole and criminal racket in every country. Ron Paul is a well meaning idealistic idiot (that's about as good as a politician will get). How many politicians or Govts do you need to fuck over every country on the planet, more than once, before you learn Govt is the toilet of society???????

...another 100 destroyed bankrupted countries???????????????????????????????????????????

Grow Up, Wise Up, Rise Up.... do it yourself or go top yourself and stop waisting space Blogging like a dribbling idiot

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:29 | 1744251 CrazyCooter
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I am a software engineer. I am logical, methodical, pedantic, and obsessive about things I love. I love to learn. My father was an auditor for the RailRoad Commission of Texas. My grandfather was a land man for HL Hunt. On that note, my grandfather played professional foot ball in the days of cotton equipment, when a man was allowed a partial pint of whiskey on the bench and the pay was $10. He was a bouncer after law school, in clubs and such, during the great depression. The best work a Georgetown lawyer could get, because he was a a big man. When I pay cash, I peel out paper from a money clip he carried for many years; 1934 is the morgan silver dollar, the year he graduated law school.

I wanted to start a business many years ago. Then I learned what business is about these days. I did half my career consulting, the other half as direct hire/employee. There is no market for passion, talent, or innovation in my field, on a micro level. It is about sales, administration, and gaming the system. Consulting companies are built not on talent or value, but on cozy relationships, steak dinners, hookers, and blow.

That is not who I am; so I bide my time. Maybe one day, but only when the chains are gone. You want to know what I am really close to doing? Professional work through a local non-profit building online marketing systems for local businesses. I am looking at app-engine via google as a free platform to put any business online. I have the know how and I am about ready to give it away. But I live in a small town, where a man can pull his weight and earn a return in local social currency.

I can not save the world, as much as I would like to. I can only live within the parameters of the legal frameworks put in place by which I must operate. To do otherwise is ... well, foolish.

So go fuck yourself. Give me a marketplace based on competition and I shall build a business.

Regards,

Cooter

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:11 | 1716831 BlackholeDivestment
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kk1532003, do you think Stewart will ever mention World Trade Center 7 and Larry Silverstein saying ''we decided to pull it''. Lol. Yeah, Stewart is not smart, he's a Bitch. To Hell with the Daily Show pathetic pandering punk'd out pukes ''programming''  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzeuMBU8U_s&feature=related out

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:36 | 1716391 nyse
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If you're kidding, you are hilarious. 

Not many of these I personally disagree with, but then again, I am an "eccentric...clownish anarchist", so what the fuck do I know.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:52 | 1716427 B9K9
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MDB absolutely rocks - I gave him his 2nd green+. Consider what we had deal with before MDB arrived on the scene: Harry Wanger, Hamy Wanger, RoboTrader, Johnny Rocket, et al. Bores, each and everyone of them, periodically serving scant offerings of derision & amusement.

I must hand it to Tyler - not only has he built a site that draws the best financial minds, but now the best trolls as well. The truly beautiful element behind MDB's posts is that, without any hint of irony,  they reflect actual mainstream thought from around 3-4 years ago.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:58 | 1716460 MsCreant
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I agree, it stays in character and its an awesome performance artist. My next challenge to him would be to see him stay in character while actually engaging in back and forth debate with one of us. He does not actually fight at fight club. He does lay down some great material though.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:11 | 1716498 Troll Magnet
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walking and breathing irony. it's nice to have this to kick around.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:54 | 1716624 NumberNone
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He may not fight but he knows the site weakpoints and knows where to throw a jab that brings out the worst of the posters.  To his/her credit, he knows the meat to throw the ravenous dogs that will get them foaming.  Cries of troll and demands MDB be banned from the site reveals that many posters just don't get the joke and to many the supposed libertarian nature of ZH is great as long as the commentary of the other posters agrees with their own.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:36 | 1717211 Bringin It
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I junked you because I disagreed w/ your tear-jerk generalisation, your melo-drama.  Who's demanding banning?  Caning maybe, but no banning.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:31 | 1716557 Uncle Remus
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Ever been in flyover country?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:43 | 1716925 Jendrzejczyk
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If Mako's fin pops up too, I'm gonna need more Depends.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:38 | 1716401 WonderDawg
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I wish I had time to give you a proper verbal bitch slapping, but I don't. Your points are easily dismantled. I'll leave it to someone else since I have to finish some other business. I'll just leave you with one point: You're delusional, and possibly a moron.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:47 | 1716424 SilverIsKing
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Possibly?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:39 | 1716407 bxy
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0 for 5.....pathetic

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:44 | 1716415 Ricky Bobby
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The real problem is all that extremism embended in the document those crazy white men wrote. If we could only get rid of that antiquated product of the 18th century. We just have to stamp out this idea of liberty,  it is in the way of building the new citizen.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:57 | 1716793 optimator
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"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.  And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

We missed out chance with Barry Goldwater, I hope we don't miss it again with Ron Paul as it's our last chance.

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:45 | 1716421 kk1532003
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Consistently siding with the Constitution in ALL areas sure does make him extreme in this day and age

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:48 | 1716428 Mitzibitzi
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I'm not Aerican and I can still say, with every fibre of my being; please go and fuck yourself and include in the gangbang anyone who even remotely supports those views.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:41 | 1716546 hambone
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M,

I'm confused about fucking oneself being referred to as a "gangbang"...even if you invite others to your "gangbang", if nobody shows and it's just you "going and fucking yourself" it's not really a gangbang (gangless bang?).  Aerican's know these things and protect their constitutional rights to enjoy gangbangs.  Please respect Aerica and the gangbang by using it properly when denegrating another.

Gold bless Aerica

Hambone

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:10 | 1716663 knukles
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Aerica, Aerica Gof shed his hair on we,
And clown be good in rubber suit,
Fwom tweet to thighning tweet.

Aerica clocks, briquettes

 

"Who da' fuck are that guiys?"
              - David "Bitch" Cassidy

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:21 | 1716694 fuu
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<golf clap>

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:25 | 1716708 knukles
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merci

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:16 | 1717298 CrazyCooter
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That was fucking funny.

Someone, somewhere with more genius than I will spawn off an entire "engrish" spin-off industry complete with t-shirts and coffee mugs. Probably not, but isn't that the internet?

Regards,

Cooter

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:49 | 1716431 DRT RD
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Damn system parameters only let me vote you down once!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:55 | 1716447 CompassionateFascist
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This is not so. Leave the site. Come back. Vote as often as U want. Just like an American election these days.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:49 | 1716432 11b40
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Did you forget the {sarc} button?

If not:

1.) Set monetary policy independently --- for whom?  Independently my ass.  Just independent from us...the ones footing the bill.

2.) It takes more than just a president to adjust Social Security, and NO ONE will have the political pull to kill it.  Period, end of story.

3.) Last I checked, 'children' have access now...totally unregulated, of course.  They have quicker access to score drugs than scoring a pint of Vodka.  Dr. Paul suggests bringing some common sense into the endless War On Drugs.

4.) As opposed to the well-groomed theives in $2,000 suits currently driving this out of control train we are riding?

5.) Oh boy...where to start?  I suppose you also believe living in an orphanage or being shuttled from foster home to foster home beats having 2 Mommies or 2 Daddies who love and care deeply for your well being.  Which orphan is more likely to be a well-adjusted contributing member of society, and which more likely to be a drag on society?

...better just quit now, befroe I become an embarassment, too.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:56 | 1716451 CompassionateFascist
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Which is more likely to be a Drag Queen? The next Barney Frank?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:11 | 1716499 11b40
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How would anyone know that? 

From what I understand, it's something you are born with, or that is formed very early in life.  But I am sure of one thing.  Children of homophobes have a very difficult time, and rarely adjust well as adults.  If you have kids, maybe you should give that some thought.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:19 | 1716519 Fish Gone Bad
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The gay community is apparently the only group that that some people think it is still OK to smear. 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:34 | 1716565 ManOfBliss
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Unfortunately they have it coming with all the excessive grandstanding they do in the liberal media. It's called backlash.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:48 | 1716610 11b40
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What does that mean?  "They" have it coming?  "They" have what coming?  From whom?  And who is "they"?  Is it maybe your pastor, or your favorite teacher, or maybe your local mechanic or bartender?

Who are you?  Judge, jury, executioner?

Afraid of your innner homo, Man0fBliss?  Bet you are a 'real man'.  You beat animals and small children, too?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:27 | 1716714 boiltherich
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Into zee ofens you faggots.  We all know that the vast majority of homophobes are secretly turned on by homosexuality, it is fact. 

Ron Paul is NOT for gay anything, he is against federal legislation of any kind on the matter, he did however support DOMA and that is all I need to know.  Because if you leave it up to the populations of the states we will have 50 states with paranoid mobs burning gays at the stake, hatred and fear always end up like that, and ironically a lot of the biggest enemies of gay people turn out to have a closeted history of being gay themselves.  You can go to the CraigsList M4M casual encounters and see ad after ad after ad of "straight" men looking to have sex with other men, married, on the super DL, have to do it in the car because I have a girlfriend, and those are the same assholes that push for amendments against gays, circulate petitions, and YES, we are a minority, if everyone who was in a minority were disenfranchised or simply outlawed altogether you would find out what real misery is.  If every man and woman who had a sexy thought about, or a sexual encounter with another member of their gender had to get a tattoo on their forehead indicating that the problem would be over tomorrow and gay marriage would be the law of the land. 

If you secretly want to deprive gay people of civil rights bar the federal government and courts from enforcing them, all that will be left are hate filled majorities in the 50 states.  To me the most ironic part is that it is the same nasty homophobe breeders that are making all these gay kids to start with. 

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:28 | 1716881 nmewn
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"If you secretly want to deprive gay people of civil rights bar the federal government and courts from enforcing them, all that will be left are hate filled majorities in the 50 states."

The tyranny of the majority...is democracy.

Some people get the difference between a republic and a democracy...most people don't...and they can thank the public education system for that...or not.

I've almost given up trying to explain the difference...so the 51% should enjoy every new dictator, he'll promise you anything & everything from the other 49% who'll soon be at your throats...metaphorically speaking of course? ;-)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:04 | 1716982 Dick Fitz
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Awwwwwww, you guys are making me blush! All I know is that I've gotten less flack at libertarian/republican sites for being gay than I have at gay sites for being a Ron Paul supporter. The gay ghetto is alive and well, and Obama is their savior. It's sick, but if the Republican party would just let go the homophobic bullshit pandering (like that army guy in the video at the last debate who got boooooed for wanting to fight for his country-misguided as he is to think he's fighting for "freedom") then maybe they could move into the 21st century.

Ron Paul, for all intents and purposes, is the most gay friendly politician running- moreso than 0bama- since he wants to get the government out of the bedroom, and take marriage away from the state and return it to the church. I'm sure my pastor would love to perform a ceremony for me and my BF.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:54 | 1717121 New_Meat
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Dick, in all seriousness, don't u think that "that army guy" might have been, well, not quite what it seemed?

http://www.free-mp3-albums.com/15650/Foreigner/Agent+Provocateur is such good music.

- Ned

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:04 | 1717150 nmewn
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"Awwwwwww, you guys are making me blush!"

A good sense of humor, I like that.

Everyone will rise or fall personally on their own character & integrity. Having said that...there is still one thing gays can't do without a "third party" involved...lol.

Its a double entendre...lighten up ;-)

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:26 | 1717206 CompassionateFascist
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Fags have no "integrity". It's just another Jew-orchestrated group-entitlement in the making. Pure Hollywood Culture of Death.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 01:57 | 1717522 saiybat
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Your talk of civil liberties is good and all but civil liberteries aren't something that's granted to you by the state. Why should anybody homosexual or hetereosexual need permission from the state to get married? That's what homosexuals should be saying rather than "why don't the bureaucrats give us the same privleges as the hetereosexuals". Civil liberteries aren't a privelege and if you think like a slave you will be treated as such. Marriage licenses are wholly unnecessary; the matter can and should be sui juris.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:10 | 1716828 nmewn
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"The gay community is apparently the only group that that some people think it is still OK to smear."

Au contraire...try coming out of the closet as a unabashed redneck...can we hold hands? ;-)

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 03:39 | 1717603 chindit13
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No, it's moderates that catch the most heat. 

Moderate means someone who thinks the economy will shuffle along within sight of the zero line for years, rather than collapse into Mad Max or come up roses.  Moderate means a person who thinks PMs are a trade, neither MONEY nor a barbarous relic.  Moderate means a person who accepts some government is necessary and that some limited safety net is a sign of a compassionate civilization.  Moderate means a person who doesn't think there is a small group of uber-evolved Lizard People or "R" surnamed people running the world, but does believe those who make it big will try to game the system to stay where they are, though they will eventually either fall out of favor or be knocked off the top by a competitor and fellow achiever.  Moderate means someone who thinks both sides of the Middle East question have faults, but who also does not think that issue is the single most important issue facing the human species.  Moderate means someone who thinks a terrorist organization led by a few moderately clever but fanatical people carried out 911, but that those who should have seen it coming were both incompetent and more interested in turf protection than the safety of the American people, and that the US response was wrong, harmful and a waste of lives and treasure.  Moderate means someone who accepts that one day every fiat will fail, but who also has heard of its demise a dozen times before and remembers that the trick is matching one's life span to the predominant means of exchange over the period one remains above ground.  Moderate is someone who knows humans are not doing the planet a whole lot of good, but who also accepts that natural processes have some impact on the planet's climate.  Moderate is someone who does not discriminate against people because of accidents of birth, those accidents being skin color, gender, appearance or sexual preference.  Moderate is someone who believes that nothing is ever on a "permanently high plateau", not stocks in 1929, homes in 2006, or PMs today.  Moderate is someone who never forgets that everyone is human, there are no heroes, and that everybody gets a whole lot of things wrong.  Moderate means someone who is well aware not everything is perfect and never will be, but that does not mean one cannot find pleasure in living life.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 06:29 | 1717741 nmewn
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You could very well be right there Chin. Good post.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:12 | 1716669 knukles
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And what fucking business of that is yours?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:26 | 1716536 Raymond Reason
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MDB uses a common gambit in the argument for regulation.  What if children weren't regulated?  Well children are taught and regulated by their parents or guardians.  Once adults, they are liberated from this authority, and with that liberty comes personal responsibility.  MDB sees citizens as unformed, undeveloped adults.  And granted, many of them are, but in a truly free society, these people will be helped through charity.      

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:52 | 1717246 Bringin It
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11b40 - Thanks for posting.  I was looking for a response to MDB's ranting and there's a lot of OT blather <New_Meat nmewn love fest for example> before getting to your response.  In fact, it's so far back, that it's hard to see the "points" you're responding to, hence the following ...

MDB
1. He supports regular audits of the Federal Reserve, which would seriously compromise their ability to set monetary policy independently without political meddling
11b40 - Set monetary policy independently --- for whom?  Independently my ass.  Just independent from us...the ones footing the bill.

Instead we have "financial interests" aka banksters not meddling ... They've grabbed the wheel ... They are driving the rig ... over the cliff ... with us in it.

2. He favours the end of social security ...
11b40 - It takes more than just a president to adjust Social Security, and NO ONE will have the political pull to kill it.  Period, end of story.

3. He intends to legalise ALL drugs, giving children access to life-threatening substances such as marijuana, cocaine and heroin to name a few
11b40 - Last I checked, 'children' have access now...totally unregulated, of course.  They have quicker access to score drugs than scoring a pint of Vodka.  Dr. Paul suggests bringing some common sense into the endless War On Drugs.

4. Mr Paul follows the long discredited ‘Austrian school of economics’ which consists of nothing but a motley crew of eccentric and clownish anarchists
11b40 - As opposed to the well-groomed theives in $2,000 suits currently driving this out of control train we are riding?

5. He supports the legalisation of gay marriage at the state level, which could see children being raised by parents of the same sex
11b40 - ... I would just say he supports State's Rights as laid out in the 10th ammendment.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:06 | 1717283 nmewn
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"New_Meat nmewn love fest"

Obsess much?...ROTFLMAO!!!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:50 | 1716434 Rudeger
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You must be ecstatic with this real change were going through!!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:00 | 1716639 Phil Free
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We're I .. if only.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:58 | 1716456 BobPaulson
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On point 2 perhaps you might have a bit of a point but I'm not sure social security is that effective in its current form.

On points 1, 3, 4 and 5 I think you could not be more wrong.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:05 | 1716648 Plata con Carne
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Ron Paul wants to leave Social Security as is for folks who've been paying into it for years, and give young people the option to opt out and set up and manage their own retirement accounts. Eventually, slowly phasing it out.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:38 | 1716912 Christophe2
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If indeed that is what Ron Paul is suggesting, then it doesn't make any sense:

A) if young people go for a private retirement account, then they won't be paying into the system that the elderly 'paid' into when younger (at the time, paying for older folks' retirement) => hence, this totally destroys the Soc. Sec. system

B) just take a look around you at the 'fraud as a business model' oligarchic financial system that we live in and ask yourself: do you trust anyone in the private system to manage your pension?  I'd say that maybe 1% of them are OK, as the rest of the money managers are either purposeful frauds or just mindless pukes who follow the mainstream's BS financial propaganda.  It's one ponzi scheme after another, and none of the major crooks are ever punished so it is becoming ever more broken every day that goes by.  => once everyone's 401K goes bye bye, along with the US dollar and Euro, will you still think private retirement accounts are useful?  The majority will be destitute and the rich will be richer...

 

In any case, that post by MDB was a pathetic psy-ops trolling attempt: lay out a bunch of BS reasons for not liking Ron Paul, ignoring all the very valid reasons for criticizing him:

- RP is NOT being ignored by the mainstream: Jon Stewart IS THE MAINSTREAM!  (I have lost most of my respect for ZH, considering their absurd plugging of RP and how they are trying everything to make him seem legitimate)

- RP has done practically nothing since becoming chairman of the Monetary Policy Subcommittee, which oversees the Fed - WHERE'S THE BEEF, Ron?

- RP lies about 9/11, keeping to the BS 'official story' - that liar will never be true, and his deception is as obvious as Obama's was.

- RP is milquetoast in just about everything he says, especially our wars (it's not only about getting our soldiers home: it's about recognizing our WAR CRIMES) and Israel (it's not just about cutting our funding of the vile Nazi/Apartheid regime, it's about recognizing that they are our enemies, rather than our 'friend')

 

I know I'll get downrated a bunch for criticizing RP, but will any of the legion of RP fans present ever bother arguing against any of these points?  I'm not going to bother replying to trolls like malalingua ("the language of evil"), this time around, as I have better things to do, but for the non-Zionist, non-FBI/psy-ops readers out there: won't you ever bother to look outside the mainstream candidates?  Why limit yourself to only what's offered by the vile Republicans and Democrats?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:10 | 1717287 Bringin It
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Re. 9/11 RP says there should be a new, genuine investigation.  What's wrong with that?  You need him to take up a gun and wack ...?  Not really possible at this time.

In this climate, in this environment, what's wrong with calling for a new investigation?

Re. Israel - He says we have too many foreign entanglements.  He has said we need to get out of the ME.  Fine with me.  If left alone, they'll evolve into some accomidation w/ their neighbors or disappear.

Re. - RP has done practically nothing since becoming chairman of the Monetary Policy Subcommittee, which oversees the Fed - WHERE'S THE BEEF, Ron?

Here you have a point.  Maybe it's a tactical thing and he's focused on the election?

BTW, Ron is not a Republican or Democrat.  RP is a Libertarian.

 

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:08 | 1717377 Christophe2
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Considering 9/11 was a crime committed by our government, asking it to investigate itself is akin to asking Al Capone, or the banksters, to investigate themselves.  I find it rather laughable that a supposed libertarian is going to trust a government bureaucracy to succeed where it has obviously failed before, and regardless the excellent investigations that were carried out by American citizens are now irrefutable.  This little clip of RP's position on 9/11 makes fairly clear how he toes the mainstream line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYSKCfsLuuE

 

Your comment on Israel and the Middle East is just more of the milquetoast BS that I have come to expect from RP: it's way too soft and understated.  We have killed millions in Iraq and elsewhere since 9/11, opium production has shot up over tenfold in Afghanistan since we 'liberated' it, and the illegal war on Libya has been a monstrous tragedy.  Bush and Obama should be in prison for war crimes, along with their Zionist minions and masters.  A candidate who won't even say that now is a candidate who won't act like he should once elected, that's for sure.

 

Ron Paul is a Republican - that's the party he is a member of, and has been for decades.  His commercials laud his role in helping make Ronald Reagan president (just how connected was Ron, back in the day?), as if that was anything but a disaster for America.  If indeed there is a "Libertarian" party in the US, Ron sure isn't a member of it!  (Nor is ZH ever talking about it, or any other non-mainstream party...)

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 01:57 | 1717521 Bringin It
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Christophe2 - I appreciate you desire to see change.  I just don't see much happening until the crash develops more impact.  So the reality of RP is that we're arguing over who should captain the Titanic. 

I also apreciate you RP/911 quotes.  I've heard him call for a new investigation.  I agree with that.

Look, JFK got shot dead.  It's a tightrope he's walking/

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 10:40 | 1718333 Christophe2
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I think it is less a question of what type of politician one votes in (left, right, libertarian, socialist, etc.), than whether or not they are minions of the NWO.

 

JFK was a NWO man who turned against them (a 'Napoleonist').  Clearly, that doesn't happen often and I see no reason to believe it will happen with RP.  My vote goes with the man or woman who starts off clearly against the NWO (ie: for the people), not for the person who has, for decades, been their man.  I don't want another actor and bullshitter for president, or for any other office!

 

Frankly, it's not a tightrope RP is walking if he has no intention of turning against them, and there is no way you can argue he is more likely than any other NWO sellout of changing his stripes.  His tightrope is how to convince people that he is legitimate, when clearly he isn't currently.  His challenge is with respect to his acting/faking skills, although he is vastly aided by the propaganda machine.  I'll take a real man (or woman), instead, thank you very much.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 23:28 | 1717319 AllegoryOfTheCave
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nice to know someone out there is cutting through the bullshit.

 

to add to your comment.

1. the media isn't 'ignoring' ron paul. they were just saving him till when they needed him. bush was the patriot act/arab invasion president. obama was the jewish bailout guy. ronpaul will be the guy who brings forth the gold standard.

2. the gold standard will benefit israel because they demonitized gold/silver and were able to buy since 1971 all that gold/silver at bargain prices. now it is their time to cash in on the true value of their stolen assets. there will be no gold in fort knox, only gold filled tungsten bars.

3. ron paul says the "US doesn't give israel enough independence". According to him, the US rules israel, which people like Dr. Alan Sabrosky of the Army war college and the survivors of the USS Liberty attack know the fact is israel rules the US. Israel can kill american navy boys and get away with it and have it covered up. (See 1967 USS Liberty incident).

4. ron paul says he doesn't associate with any conspiracy theories regarding 9/11. he believes the official story.

5. Ron paul has been bashing the fed for 30 years and still has a job. Do people really think that would happen if he wasn't considered ''safe" to the international jewish bankers?

6. with the media ''ignoring'' ron paul and continuing now bring up how he is being ''ignored'' it only makes the average idiot think he is actually awake and needs to go offer his support to this candidate that on the surface makes ''a lot of sense'' but is not being given a chance.

7. people are fed up with government and the two party duopoly. libertarian ''makes sense'' now.

8. 2008 catch phrase = "CHANGE" 2012 catch phrase = "LIBERTY". do people remember Orwell anymore? NEWSPEAK??? "ignorance is truth, slavery is freedom" > "democracy", "freedom", "patriotism", "national security", and now "liberty". 

 

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 00:27 | 1717402 Christophe2
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Thanks for speaking out as well, and for helping to flesh out the propaganda picture.  However, I'm not sure about RP ever bringing us to a gold standard, as I expect that will become a broken electoral promise (a la Obama), since private central banks are simply too lucrative and too important in helping them control the macro-economic picture (on which they have far too many bets riding, on any given day).  The future they are planning is one with (more of) a world government and global currency.

 

Gold will be important during the crash, but even then, I wouldn't be surprised to see another gold confiscation program enacted: http://www.the-privateer.com/1933-gold-confiscation.html

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:01 | 1716461 Hard1
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And you must be a more conservative person that supports brain dead Michelle Bachmann and decides to use the tag "Million Dollar Bonus"....right?

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:59 | 1716462 hambone
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MDB - that's awesome!!!  I miss the Hairy Wanger and appreciate Colbertian viewpoint.  Whether in jest or serious, please persist.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 17:59 | 1716463 Joshua Falken
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MillionDollarBonus  is quite obviously a Fed implant blog troll

 

Of course we want the Fed audited - otherwise they are an accountable non governmental private banking cartel out to protect their own interests - how they have got away with this for 98 years is astounding.

Of course he is not saying abandon old people and the vulnerable to no help.  He is saying the welfare system needs revising to make it work better.

Legalising drugs is brilliant because you save a fortune eliminating the criminal economy, you tax supply, control quality, help the vulnerable.  You can't work or drive while drunk, the same rules apply to drugs.  Win Win if you can get your head round it.

It is borrow and spend socialist hijacking and misrepresentation of Keynesian economics that is discredited not Austrian school economics, unless your name is Obama, Bernake, Geithner, Perry or Romney

America abhors regligious fundamentalist in other countries, but is willing to blindly follow the bible word for word about creationism and homosexuality being a choice rather than physiological.  Same sex marriage is not a threat if you understand the people instead of being afraid of them.

Quite Frankly MillionDollarBonus, it is embarrassing that Americans still fall for your propaganda instead of getting themselves a real government

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:24 | 1716523 MillionDollarBonus_
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I have noticed that there are many dissenters from the Krugmanian form of Keynesian economics, many of whom claim to prefer Keynes’ more conservative application of the theory. But one must remember that we are currently facing economic problems of far greater magnitude than Keynes himself could ever have imagined, and so naturally a greater quantity of fiscal stimulus is necessary. Besides, Krugman is simply taking core Keynesian principles to their logical conclusion. Most notably this includes the principle of central economic planning by avid economists with exceptional foresight. Experienced economists have the ability to allocate capital more efficiently during times of economic hardship, giving the economy a much needed boost.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:36 | 1716572 mick_richfield
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Ah crap.  This is a bad post.  MDB_1.0 picked up on the Keynes keywords in the previous post that it was trying to 'respond' to -- but this post is clearly not a response.

The Keyword Match threshold is set way too high.  But -- OTOH -- it should at least have matched 2 keywords before posting this in response, shouldn't it?  And the obvious secondary keyword is Krugman. 

Is this just a bug?

Also one of the posters earlier picked up on the fact that it's not even trying to 'converse'.  I think we should yank MDB until we figure this out, then introduce it with a different handle / avatar.

 

 

 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 18:44 | 1716602 MillionDollarBonus_
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I was responding to the accusation of "misrepresentation of Keynesian economics " by the above commenter. This is yet another example of the zero hedge readerships' inability to construct coherent logical arguments worthy of my response. I will stick to sound arguments in the face of this vicious attack, with the hope that maybe I'll teach some of these deprived readers a valuable lesson.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:36 | 1716739 Executioner
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So go have your conversations elsewhere.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:29 | 1717053 Almost Solvent
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He's comedic gold, the deadpan snarc is off the charts.

 

The deadpan is what throws people off with the written word, but it's there. 

 

He's a troll, a comedic troll.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:06 | 1717152 Hayabusa
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Why even waste time commenting on milliondollar what's his name?  Troll is right.

 

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 05:57 | 1717710 Au Member
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Considering the mechanical hoovering up of Keywords I think it is time to administer the Turing Test? OR Voight Kampff

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:37 | 1716743 UP Forester
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I'll give a shot towards the bot.

Ever think that he's not so much worried about the good job Keynesian economics has succeeded in thus far, but the very concept of Central Planning, re the Stalinistic food controls that led to ten million or so Ukrainians starving next to their fields.

Sure, in a time of severe crisis, central command and control works very well, like in time of war with a well worked strategy to defeat a well-defined enemy.  However, when there are a variety of vastly different entities to "control," the unisex, ambidextrous one-size-fits-all plan breaks down.

Is your plan to synthesize the entire world markets into a homogenous tax and reward scheme, every "country" taxed at the same rate so there is no movement of workers and licensed "working places" from one area to another, regulated by an uber-organization to ensure worker productivity and equal benefits?  Or just make every occupation overseen by the regional government, and "help" those who can't work are provided for by those that do?  That has been tried many times, and it's usually been called serfdom.

Perhaps you can give us your penultimate view of how you would shape the world economy, in simple, short sentences, for us deprived readers.

Cheers!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 19:56 | 1716791 MillionDollarBonus_
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Unfortunately you clearly have a lot of background reading to do before you can fully appreciate the genious of Keynesian economics. I suggest reading some papers by Krugman, Stigletz and Blinder for a deeper understanding of the underlying principles. However, I'll give you a brief overview of some practical solutions to our economic problems:

1. Set up a global central bank with an international currency which will be legal tender across the globe - this bank will be responsible for large liquidity injections during times of economic weakness, as well as influencing global interest rates for maximum prosperity

2. Create a central body for setting the prices of all consumer goods, to ensure that goods are consumed according to the most objective mathematical models, rather than the merely subjective preferences underlying 'supply-demand dynamics'

3. Employ a system for seeking out and selecting the potential economic leaders at a young age. This would involve setting up economics academies for teaching the most advanced Keynesian theories and pioneering ever more efficient capital-allocation models

I hope I have given you something to work with, but you must understand that Keynesian economics is not for the faint hearted; it requires patience and maturity - things that many of these commenters are clearly lacking. 

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 20:29 | 1716887 Bunga Bunga
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Keynesian economics is nothing else than an alias for ponzi scheme.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 21:30 | 1717056 Almost Solvent
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You're missing his deadpan snarc

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 22:39 | 1717226 buck4free
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Thanks. Now everything makes sense.

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