JPMorgan Uses Surge In Its Default Risk As A $1.9 Billion "Source" Of Revenue And Net Income

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:31 | 1768791 GeneMarchbanks
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Perversion of accounting, what else is new?

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:38 | 1768803 qussl3
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Watch as EZ banks report "record profits" when they change the accounting rules there.

Insolvency just depends on the rules.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:46 | 1768830 Comay Mierda
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a wise man once told me "systemic fraud is evidence of a pending collapse"

but who the fuck knows with these markets. this is surely bullish

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:59 | 1768855 wang (not verified)
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Faber on Bloomberg Radio in response to question on buying the banks at these levels

"I speak with many people on Wall Street and they tell me that these banks are trading below their book value, JP Morgan was at $27 last week and it at $32 now"

on China

"China in deep deceleration" "Next to shoe to drop is China ...  creating a downward spiral in the world" etc etc


Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:12 | 1768865 Smithovsky
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Mark-to-market most of these banks have negative book value so they don't ever have to worry about trading below it

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:15 | 1768887 TheFourthStooge-ing
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JPM is simply using Bialystock and Bloom accounting methods, which have been approved by FASB (Fuck America, Serve Bankers):


Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:17 | 1769298 riley martini
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 Todays fascist media it's un-American to tell the truth about JP Morgan . JP Morgan Chase had to pay $100,000,000 in fines for defrauding families of military personel deployed over seas . The fascist media and JP Morgan shareholders get a well deserved place as tratiors in American history.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:39 | 1768808 TheFourthStooge-ing
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DVDA = How America is getting screwed (Double Vaginal, Double Anal a.k.a. quadruple penetration).


Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:43 | 1768820 Ruffcut
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Creative accounting. NO longer bachelor of business, but of the Arts.

Everytime I wave my magic wand over my account statements, money disappears. I'm taking that thing back to wallmarts, today.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:57 | 1768955 B9K9
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I guess venting makes people feel better, but all this detailed analysis really is a complete waste of time. (And I say this as a bean counter.)

Rather than dig into financials, or provide illustrations of selective MtM (eg DVA), it is much more beneficial to step back and realize that the TBTF are part & parcel of the Whether this is a 'good' or 'bad' thing is completely besides the point - mere parlor talk for those interested in politics.

For those focused primarily on how this plays out, all you need to realize is if the banks go down, the USA goes down. Hence, they are not going down. Stop.End.Of.Story.

Knowing this, how does one position themselves & family to 'win'? That's the real question. All this complaining reminds me of the scene from Schindler's List where the woman complains to the commandant. His reaction? He pulls out a pistol and shoots her. End of discussion.

The name of the game is to lie low and operate in the open shadows. Don't look prosperous, don't talk, and keep your opinions to yourself, unless you're damn sure the other person knows what the fuck you're talkin' about.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 09:43 | 1769137 adr
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and wow is tha a great world to live in. If things have gone that far it is our duty as American citizens to take down the government and replace it with a new one based on the original constitution.

Where are we Germany 1935 and all Americans are Jews and the bankers all SS? WTF speak out and get your head blown off. 

If that is America and it goes down if the banks go down, take it down.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:15 | 1769269 unununium
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Who came and removed that commandant from power?  A bunch of cowards laying low?

Thanks to the penniless OWS protesters - we should all be there with them.

And thanks to the men who founded this country and created the basis for the wealth you are trying to preserve.  If they thought like you, it never would have happened.


Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:24 | 1769340 riley martini
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 Bullshit the sooner those corrupt fascist banks go down the sooner we can return to a more capitalist and just country . To continue to defraud and bailout only does more harm and makes a resolution even more harsh.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:26 | 1769355 Melin
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give me free speech or give me death

I've always figured I'd burn at the stake if the Christians take power, get my head lopped off if Islam takes power, or get a bullet thru head if Republicans/Democrats remain in power. 

I'll go down speakin' thank you.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:31 | 1768792 Lord Welligton
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Accounting .....

Don't you just love it.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:13 | 1768884 cowdiddly
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Thank god, we have Sarbanes Oxley to regulate every one else but the banks out of a job.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:31 | 1768793 Fips_OnTheSpot
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All is well! Phew! </s>

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:33 | 1768796 Debtless
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Fuck JPM. Mobsters.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:34 | 1768797 bania
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ZH staff u rock

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:36 | 1768799 TooBearish
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WTF are they buying their own CDs fer crhissake? I mean they claim income when they fukking spreads narrow - how ini the world can u have it both ways??????

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:41 | 1768814 cossack55
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Easy. Double-speak, double-truth, double-books, double-GAAP.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:46 | 1768936 merizobeach
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And the above-mentioned double-double penny.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:37 | 1768802 TradingJoe
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Well Jamie, you must love the"new" accounting "rules", eh?

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:38 | 1768804 scatterbrains
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I'm a  little confused.. are you saying that should WFC run into a little loan loss trouble, the fat guy in the bathtub can just make a call to Moody's, order a downgrade and trigger a nice earnings beat ? Do they teach this in community college business courses or do I have to attend something like the Wharton school to achieve this level of understanding ?


Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:45 | 1768823 cossack55
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One must attend the CFR, ICG and Bilderburger conferences for inclusion into that club.  Wharton and Columbia are good starts on the road to hell tho.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:56 | 1768963 jdelano
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Eh?  I don't know about Columbia.  I went there as a Dean's Fellow and there wasn't much Bilderburging going on.  Suppose maybe I just wasn't invited to the meetings but none of my friends were either. 

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:39 | 1768805 wombats
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Occupy JPM!!!

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:44 | 1768821 GeneMarchbanks
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Occupy the supply of actual(physical) silver and maybe you slay the dragon. One inch punch style.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:46 | 1768827 Ruffcut
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Occupy the FASB and attorney generals office.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:39 | 1768806 silver500
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for people struggling to understand this:


"Fair value option is an accounting choice under IFRS and US GAAP allowing companies to account for financial liabilities at fair value and to recognize the difference between fair value and carrying value of the liabilities as gains or losses in earnings. Companies can choose which financial liabilities to elect fair value option for, and once elected, the decision is irreversible. . . .

We illustrate the effects of fair value option on earnings with an example by using a corporate A-rated bond index for maturities of 3 to 5 years for financial institutions in the Euro area as a proxy for an average corporate bond. We compare this with the Eurozone sovereign debt index for similar maturities to approximate the yield movements of a government bond.

Suppose in May 2007 a financial institution issues a €500 million bond with a 5- year maturity and an annual coupon of 5%. The government bond yields 4.3% on the same day. The company has elected the fair value option for this debt instrument. By the end of 2007, the corporate bond yield increases by 1.2%, while the government bond yield decreases by 0.1%. We estimate the fair value of the bond to have fallen to €475 million. The bank will report a fair value gain of €25 million on its own debt in FY 07 earnings. Corporate yields continue to rise in 2008 while government bond yields, in contrast, fall, causing further widening corporate credit spread. As a result, the company recognizes fair value of gain of €69 million on own debt in FY 08."



Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:42 | 1768818 Surly Bear
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Yep, you nailed it.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:45 | 1768826 AUD
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So a loss for the creditor is carried as an 'asset' by the debtor?

If that's the case, Greece is in fine shape, their 1yr bond is trading close to zero.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:56 | 1768959 SheepDog-One
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Got to keep pricing in QE3-4-5 somehow!

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:12 | 1768879 A Man without Q...
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The funny thing about this methodology is that as the company moves towards a default, it gets a nice boost to "earning" by being able to discount its liabilities at a higher interest rate, BUT when it does default, all liabilities become due and payable, so the discouting effect vanishes, causing a massive increase in losses at the point of default.

The application of DVA is a perfect example of how the banks use the lobbying system in order to get exactly what they want and the people who sign off on the methodology don't understand what the fuck they are doing.

Imagine trying to explain to your bank manager why, even though you owe them $100k and you have no job, you have a theoretical income of $25k because the probability of them getting their money back has fallen by 25%...

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 09:45 | 1769153 Watson
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It's more an example of not thinking things through in detail.

It's obviously better, in general, for any balance sheet item to be marked-to-market.

However (in my opinion), *own assets* should not be included.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 10:17 | 1769300 unununium
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Sounds like the perfect trading setup.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:40 | 1768810 Mike in GA
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Heck, this is what is taught from kindergarten on up now - you can never lose. 

Never seen it on quite this scale but it explains why BofNY is the only business entity still in existence that dates back to the foundation of our country.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:40 | 1768811 firstdivision
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Well I guess we can be happy they didn't do the ol' Lehmand 105 slide of hand...

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:41 | 1768815 sampo
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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:41 | 1768816 Coke and Hookers
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Level playing field! Kapitalism is healthy and there's nothing to worry about. I'm a good slave. Must watch Grey's Anatomy and buy something. Let's invade Iran. Banks are more important than manufacturing companies. Better living through lobotomy. Weeehhhaaa!!


/insanity off

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:41 | 1768817 cossack55
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Alls happy for Jaime till he finds out he is replacing the chicken on the platter.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:43 | 1768819 wombats
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I wonder how much Blythe Masters contributed to revenue, earnings this quarter.  I'm guessing she earned her bonus considering all of the volitility in PMs.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:44 | 1768822 Manipulism
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For everybody who is interestet in Richard Suliks own word why he must vote against the EFSF.

His own Blog:

In German.


Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:46 | 1768828 nathan1234
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This bank does not need depositors.

Hopefully people realise it and close their accounts with JPM.



Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:46 | 1768829 SilverIsKing
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Correction: Winner, winner, always a lobster dinner for Jamie Dimon.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:48 | 1768832 Comay Mierda
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lets take a look at cashflow...

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:49 | 1768834 TooBearish
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O yeah thanks makes complete sense now...

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:51 | 1768839 broke433
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JP Morgan Does it Again

"True to form, J.P. Morgan Chase comes in with quarterly results that eclipse Wall Street's expectations. CEO Jamie Dimon highlights Dow industrials component's "fortress" balance sheet."

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 08:59 | 1768972 merizobeach
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Cue laugh-track...


Now sharpen the guillotines.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:51 | 1768840 Martin T
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About DVA and FAS 159:

Same pattern as in 2010:

"With the recent increase in volatility in conjunction with a reduction in debt issuance in the second quarter, banks have had a hard time to reap in similar profits they made in Q1."




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