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"Hot, Damn Hot!" - July Is Hottest Month. Ever

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In the immortal words of Robin Williams in Good Morning Vietnam: July was Hot, Damn Hot! In fact, according to NOAA, it was the hottest July and hottest month on record and there's no short-term indication of this massively dry spell ending anytime soon. What is perhaps even more impressive is that the the last year has been the warmest 12-month period for the contiguous US since records began in 1895!

Just crazy anomalous conditions wherever you look in July...


with March through July all setting records for highest temperatures on record...



and the warmest 12-month period on record (since 1895!)...


which is summarized by Robin Williams thus:


Source: NOAA


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Wed, 08/08/2012 - 12:59 | 2688075 Winston Churchill
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Damn Tyler.

Now we're going to get the AGW prosletiser's come out of the woodwork.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:01 | 2688081 Liposuction
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Maybe.  Which surface stations did they pull all of this super hot July data from?  I hear the one in the middle of that Walmart parking lot is pretty accurate.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:04 | 2688093 Clueless Economist
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In the immortal words of Robin Williams in Good Morning Vietnam: July was Hot, Damn Hot!

Please...absolutely nothing Robin Williams has ever said has been "immortal" or funny.

That guy is a boring blowhard.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:07 | 2688107 fuu
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You're in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man I know.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:09 | 2688114 Clueless Economist
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Dear Fuu

Thank you, you are right.  I will ask some of my Keynseian colleagues if they will service me.



Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:15 | 2688145 fuu
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"I will ask some of my Keynseian colleagues if they will service me."

Figures, you go for the monetary stimulus everytime.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:24 | 2688186 Hugh_Jorgan
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Divine judgement forthcoming, bitchez.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:04 | 2688349 Fukushima Sam
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It's the methane bubbling out of the Arctic, bitchez!

We may have just hit the "runaway" part of global warming.  Which after a couple decades may then crash the ocean conveyor belts and ultimately lead to massive cooling.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:15 | 2688381 Michael
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Take a look at the sun spots on the left side column of this site. Spot numbers are low this solar max year and are migrating toward the north and south poles as time goes by. This is an indication the sun is going into  cyclical minimum phase again. Look for brutal winters in the coming years.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:25 | 2688419 Michael
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Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:59 | 2688556 Bicycle Repairman
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Maybe if I tithe my income to AlGore he'll turn down the thermostat. 

In any case a statist solution with more taxes and more control over the individual, please.  I know my own personal methane production is out of control and I need the state's assistance.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:50 | 2688424 Kitler
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Speaking of cyclical phases...

It's about as hot as 1934 again when there was also a cyclical drought in the US that was known as the "dustbowl".


Official Adjusted NOAA Temperature graph (Note 1934 temps and todys temps)

Official NOAA Drought Index (Note 1934 drought and todays drought)

Solar magnetic activity British Geologic Survey (Note 1934 solar geomagnetic index and today's low activity levels)

Nobel Prize please.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:27 | 2688425 Dr. Engali
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Don't tell me you actually believe the sun has anything to do with the earth's climate....preposterous!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:54 | 2688534 ZerOhead
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I know... next thing they will tell us is that if you print trillions of new dollars it could lead to inflation...

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 18:18 | 2689219 TBT or not TBT
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If a forest is converted into dollars but no one lends the money out, can there be inflation?

Total credit far outweighs narrower measures of the money supply. Ergo, with credit tight, lots of money can be printed while debt deflation rampages away. Or something.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 18:07 | 2689189 Fukushima Sam
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I saw that!  Certainly one piece of good news in crazy times.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:26 | 2688195 redpill
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"July Is Hottest Month. Ever"

Only if by "ever" you mean since the start of the current manipulated temperature record that has been used and abused by those interested in creating a global eco-dictatorship.

Not only has the earth been hotter in the past, it's been a LOT hotter. We should be thankful things are heating up. The real danger is if they cooled off.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:33 | 2688227 Sudden Debt
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nothing a cool fresh wind won't solve.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:40 | 2688257 bank guy in Brussels
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As Sudden Debt knows, it has been a quite cool and rainy summer in Belgium, very few warm days.

Must be the hot air from 'US citizenism' there in America.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:48 | 2688284 redpill
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Did you guys say something?  I couldn't understand you with all those mayo-covered french fries in your mouth.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:22 | 2688409 pods
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Don't be too hard rp, they did give us the Belgian made Browning "Sweet 16."



Wed, 08/08/2012 - 18:19 | 2689227 TBT or not TBT
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And the bits of mussel between their teeth.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:50 | 2688291 aerojet
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In fact, I'm pretty sure it was so hot that warm-blooded animals didn't even exist.  The upper midwest once had a tropical inland sea.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:00 | 2688329 knukles
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Greenland was once aplenty of vineyards.
Antarctica was once a tropical rainforest.

And all long before mankind did fuck all to the environment.
Oh, excuse me, musta been dinosaur farts before they became fossil fuels.

Buncha fucktards.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 15:14 | 2688603 forrestdweller
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yes, antarctica was a tropical forrest when it was situated on the equator.

the continental plates move slowly, they taught you this at school,

or at least they did at the school i went to.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 15:29 | 2688665 krispkritter
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Apparently your school neglected to teach you how to read. The warming was due to a change in ocean currents, not it's proximity to the equator. Jeebus people! Use this dub-dub-dub thingy once in awhile!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:31 | 2688871 Not Too Important
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Actually, geologic records show there was a massive, and sudden, pole shift about 13,000 years ago. They've found wooly mammoths in Siberia with undigested food in their mouths, and the area then was quite comfortable.

One of the things about 12/21/2012, is that we are supposed to have another pole shift. Some say the shift happened because another planet scraped us. The 'myth' of Nibiru.

It's all in 'Fingerprints Of The Gods'. Quite interesting. It seems all the math left by the ancients is all accurate, and we've only recently, with the invention of computers, been able to determine the truth of their equations.

We may all disagree with timing, but the ancient's math is totally correct.

Maybe this is why no one in leadership really cares about the disaster at Fukushima. Hmm.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 23:14 | 2689928 knukles
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@Not too... I've no idea why folks red-lined your comments.
It's all fact based, non-judgmental.
And the "myth" of the pole shift is recorded geologically.  Period. 
The Ancients (whom ever they were) had calculated the very precession of the earth.
Which cannot be done with the means which modern man attribute to our predecessors.  Nor could the construction of many of the world's megaliths.  Period.
The history of the world, of man, of development is a lie perpetuated by those within the sciences to remain in positions of money, power, property and prestige

A very good place to start is by assuming everything is a lie, a fabrication, an illusion.  Even one's own sense of self, manipulated and warped by our very own ego, creates a finely woven morasses of delusions and ignorance.

Contempt prior to investigation....

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 18:26 | 2689238 Quantum Nucleonics
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Easy with the condescending attitude!  He's correct.  Antarctica has been a forest (though more sub-tropical than tropical) even in its current position over the south pole.  About 20 million years ago changing currents allowed large scale formation of ice.  Few people realize that the earth has rarely been as cold as it is today.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:18 | 2688164 Geruda
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THe blowing that is hard is the blowing that you are having.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:28 | 2688201 Dr. Engali
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"That guy is a boring blowhard"


It's ironic that comment came from a clueless economist.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:54 | 2688307 Salt
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That's his crotch pot talking.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 19:11 | 2688492 fuu
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Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:47 | 2688498 Calmyourself
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Head over to the "used car thread" MEEEchElle is handing them out if you elbow Valerie Jarrett out of the way first..

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:06 | 2688108 AU5K
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All those SUVs in 1921/1934 really raised the temp back then.


Hide the decline.


Control the sheeple.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:17 | 2688153 francis_sawyer
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Actually ~ It was the Cadillac Escalades driven by the Clovis Indians 10,000 years ago that caused the Polar Ice Sheets to retreat...

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:26 | 2688193 runlevel
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Cadilac Everglades

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:52 | 2688301 RacerX
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Maybe there was high Methane then? I've heard those Indians can rip some mean ones.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 15:07 | 2688587 Poetic injustice
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Sounds plausible. Can we get 50 million grant to dig a big hole looking for Clovis Indians Escalades?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:27 | 2688198 SelfGov
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They didn't need SUVs. The world was using record amounts of coal for the 10 years leading up to the period. Those records held until just recently.


Plan Ahead - Plant a Garden. 

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:00 | 2688328 easypoints
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It doesn't matter if it's cooling, warming, man-made, natural, or both to me. All that matters is if the agriculture industry can produce more food, every year, to support a exponentially growing population, for the rest of my life. Maybe. With any kind of climate instability, one way or the other, probably not.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:16 | 2688387 BigJim
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More CO2 = more plant growth. Look it up.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:40 | 2688469 SelfGov
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Increased amounts of CO2 don't mean jack squat in depleted soil.

This is the Green Revolution Bubble popping.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:36 | 2688887 Not Too Important
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This is all due to the Walsh-Immelt Belt, the inner-atmosphere radiation belt spread across the Northern Hemisphere from Fukushima.

100's of Hiroshima-sized nuclear bombs worth of radiation being emitted every hour, every day, for 1,000's of years. We are only a year and a half into this.

Give it a decade. There won't be anything - or anyone - in the US.

“A recent study was prepared for Greenpeace Germany by international nuclear safety expert Dr. Helmut Hirsch. Dr. Hirsch’s assessment, based on data published by the French government’s radiation protection agency (IRSN) and the Austrian government’s Central Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics (ZAMG) found that the total amount of unstable radionuclides Iodine-131 and Caesium-137 released between March 11 and March 23 has been so high that the Fukushima crisis already equates to three INES 7 incidents. Release of radiation from the stricken reactors has reached 10,000 teraBequerels (10,000 trillion Bequerels) per hour, measured for radioactive Iodine-131.”
“The uranium bomb which the United States dropped on Hiroshima at the end of World War II released 89 tera becquerels. It killed 140,000 people – many instantly, others within weeks of the blast as they succumbed to severe radiation burns.”
So, a rough estimate is that Fukushima is spewing the equivalent of 112 Hiroshima-type nuclear bombs worth of radiation every hour, of every day. That’s 981,120 atomic bombs a year going off worth of radiation into our biosphere.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 17:23 | 2689084 easypoints
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Don't forget about the hundreds of other reactors we can neither afford to maintain or decomission.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 18:30 | 2689249 Quantum Nucleonics
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Plus warmer temperatures mean a lot more arable land at higher latitude.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:17 | 2688394 SelfGov
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Food Security Fail

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:50 | 2688509 Calmyourself
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Demographic tables are your friend, use them.. Your premise is seriously flawed.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:45 | 2688473 BooMushroom
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The garden is planted. Had fresh eggplant, tomato, and basil scramble in scrambled eggs (storebought eggs).

BUT THAT SECOND GRAPH IS HORSESHIT! Look at the bottom axis. It is totally nonsensical. It's cherry picked in NON-chronological order to make the bars look like warming is constantly increasing.

edit: stupid iPhone doesn't autocorrect stuff in all caps.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:35 | 2688237 Sudden Debt
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When Bush denied global warming, this shit didn't happen!!!!


Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:55 | 2688309 redpill
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Wed, 08/08/2012 - 15:01 | 2688563 RSloane
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If I could, +1 x 100 for RP.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:22 | 2688411 twh99
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Exactly and by the way here is some other data to digest:


Coldest July (worldwide) since 2008.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 17:57 | 2689161 cbxer55
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Perhaps the one located at the airport near where the jet exhaust blasts occur.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:11 | 2688129 runlevel
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It was a lot of work but.. i made it outa the woodwork. Im here. Now whats this joke about Global Warming? Or is it Global Cooling? I forgot which one was more convenient for political gain atm...

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:23 | 2688183 Gringo Viejo
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Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:30 | 2688216 engineertheeconomy
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"Take it up the Ass with Positivity"

Ben Bernanke Speech on August 7, 2012

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:52 | 2688302 Abraxas
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Yeah, we ought to smile while they are sticking it. They like it better that way.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:45 | 2688278 Axenolith
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People have been going back over the physical, local records for the past century, and the tools putting these "hottest ever" studies and statistics together have been fudging the numbers of the past (either lowering or not using the high end points).

If the story line benefits statists, you can put money on there being a pile of steaming bullshit hiding in it somewhere...

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:51 | 2688280 Urban Roman
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"Now we're going to get the AGW prosletiser's come out of the woodwork."

... but not before the AAGW lobby comes out ... oh, noes, it can't be A, it can't be G, it can't be W, because, well it just can't.

And remember, kiddies, tobacco is good for you! Smoke some today!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:07 | 2688352 JimBowie1958
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More Straw man arguments.

AAGWers are almost universally, with few exceptions, agreed the planet has been warming up to about 2000 AD, but since then the temps have leveled off. Even some of the AGW advocates admit this.

What is being challenged is the assertion that this rise in temperatures was due to the rise in human co2 emissions. Those emmissions have continued to rise at a steady incline while temperatures have not. There are also other factors that could be contributing such as the solar cycle itself, cosmic ray influence and other things.

There is not enough evidence to rationally conclude that humans are causing this, but the 'watermelon' ecowackos want to rush this thing before we have validation so they can expand state power in order to 'save the world' from their latest faux catastrophe. And even if we did pass ALL the AGW bullshit into law and met all their assinine carbon emission goals, IT WOULDNT FIX A GODAMNED THING!

This isnt about saving the fucking planet.

It is about having unelected bureacrats having the ability to interfere with our daily lives and so we have to get waivers in order to stay in business and get anything done.

Guess what you have to do to get the waiver?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 15:02 | 2688570 RSloane
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Wed, 08/08/2012 - 15:06 | 2688582 pods
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Correct, it is to merely create a supranational currency.

I remember when I saw the list of the Chicago Climate Exchange "liquidity providers" and it was a who's who of scam banking.


Wed, 08/08/2012 - 17:06 | 2689034 Urban Roman
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OK, that was "it can't be A."

Do I hear a "it can't be G?"

Thu, 08/09/2012 - 11:02 | 2691124 JimBowie1958
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No one said it cant be 'A' asshole.

I said there is insufficient evidence to conclude it is 'A'.

It could still be 'A', but I highly doubt it.

Jesus H Christ, take a reading comprehension class or something.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:01 | 2688082 fireangelmaverick
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This is bullish for water cooler makers. BTFD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:02 | 2688084 NidStyles
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How about an article on the record number of solar events this year too? It's not that hard to do, you already were on the same site that tracks that data as well.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:15 | 2688140 tahoebumsmith
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Absolutely correct! This year has seen record solar flare activity and incoming CMEs. It has dwarfed the record that was set last year already and its only August. Some say this is going to last for years, possibly could be the new norm unless they they can somehow control the sun? NOT...

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:20 | 2688171 francis_sawyer
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Yeah but if everyone buys Chevy Volts, the sun will stop flaring up so much...

I found this out by reading thousands of pages of EXPERT testimony from scientists...

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:28 | 2688200 runlevel
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If we just subsidize the heat then were all good. Worked for farming...





Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:10 | 2688369 knukles
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But the gubamint can't do anything about solar flares... so it don't count.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:21 | 2688406 Axenolith
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You meaning chopping the beating hearts out of live humans doesn't influence the sun?!?!  Who'd a thunk it!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:50 | 2688510 BooMushroom
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Maybe it would, if they were all climate deniers. But you have to test them first, to make sure.

If she weighs the same as a duck...

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:39 | 2688916 Karl von Bahnhof
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All bullshit. Environmental warfare. Haarps in US, Russia, China on max. Neutron bombs is soo 20th. Century

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 15:16 | 2688609 flattrader
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Yep.  I get the solar flare alerts.  I thought it was unusually high.

Those X Class flares are a concern.  If pointed in the wrong direction, we won't have to worry about global warming.

Carrington Event.  Good bye grid.  Fried electronics.  Hello, 1800s.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 18:54 | 2689305 Adahy
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Hello 1800's...for a moment; but then the backup generators on 104 nuclear reactors in the US alone go silent.  Then silence everywhere.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:22 | 2688176 Cognitive Dissonance
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This daily 2 or 3 minute summary of earth and solar weather is excellent and well worth subscribing to in order to receive it each morning in your inbox. He makes some very interesting connections that aren't obvious to casual observers. Plus he has a load of links under each morning's summary if you wish to look for yourself. Watch it for a week before making a decision.

BTW Mrs Cog found this one.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:02 | 2688336 DoChenRollingBearing
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Very interesting link, thanks for posting it!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:14 | 2688380 Max Hunter
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Agreed.. Nice link Cog.. Thx

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:22 | 2688410 knukles
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Very cool.  Many thanks to Mrs. Cog

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:24 | 2688184 stacking12321
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How about NOT?

The article merely states the facts of what the temperatures were and are, it does not attempt to put forth any explanation as to the reasons.

Not everything needs to be put into the context of your devious little agenda - sometimes we can just accept facts as facts.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:03 | 2688339 eclectic syncretist
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Fact is, there is a correlation between higher temperatures and drought, and droughts have been the downfall of many a civilization over the millenia.  So whether or not it's man-made, it's pretty important.  I wonder what the farmers in Oklahoma are saying?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:25 | 2688420 stacking12321
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in our case, civilization (if we can call it that) downfall will be by drowning, not drought.

liquidity will be added, here, there, and everywhere - an attempt to treat the solvency problem as one of liquidity.

fixing the debt problem by adding more debt.

QE to infinity and beyond.

A market collapse does not destroy wealth, it merely reveals the extent to which wealth has been betrayed into unproductive works.

Yep, it's going to be a hot one, all right!


Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:48 | 2688286 DosZap
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Look at the charts for the Deression era, and for now.


Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:55 | 2688314 Enceladus
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Um it's the 11 year solar cycle. Solar max is next year.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:18 | 2688398 redpill
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Solar events?  You mean like Solyndra, Solar Trust of America, Bright Source, LSP Energy, Energy Conversion Devices, Abound Solar, SunPower, Beacon Power, Ecotality, A123 Solar, UniSolar, Azure Dynamois, Evergreen Solar, and Ener1?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:25 | 2688417 knukles
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It's Obama's Fault, Bitchez

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:03 | 2688085 Dr. Engali
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Tyler you posted this to stir up shit. I can picture you laughing now.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:33 | 2688231 dark pools of soros
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one side says global warming, the other HAARP ...   it's a dust bowl either way and neither of those causes could be stopped if true

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:39 | 2688256 Sudden Debt
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America would not harm it's own citizens....
like beating up your own dog...
or pissing in your own garden...

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:03 | 2688344 easypoints
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That's generally good for your garden.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:28 | 2688428 knukles
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Check out todays; you'll note on the rf chart there are some man made signals.  And lame ass excuses given by the "authorities"

Go fucking figure

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:47 | 2688496 dark pools of soros
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good breakdown

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:39 | 2688251 Votewithabullet
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when you picture him does he resemble brad pitt? this site is wholly CIA ran with a fucking Pepsi sign on the side.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:29 | 2688434 knukles
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If you're so fucking smart, why is it you still get ads?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:41 | 2688903 Votewithabullet
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Dude, it was a joke, actually  I think all this insanity(corruption,manipulation and inafuckingbility to take a joke) has me feeling like my life is fast approaching its end. I have a PPL and a concealed carry you white niggers are prolly gonna see me on the news with my zero hedge CIA ran tee shirt any day now. Aber one last thing WTF does " If yer so smart, why is it u still get ads" what the fuc does that mean man? You never seen those movies with undercover CIA fucks rolling down the highway in the pepsi trucks? Dumb ass knuckles I seen you in a club called chuckles wearing a nail plate belt buckle GD yer life is flimsy, I gave u nuff respect but I took it back cause I was stingy

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:03 | 2688087 i8emallup
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Soon it will be Autumn. It will then begin to cool.

There is nothing new under the sun.

Seven years of feast , seven years of famine.

Breathe in, breathe out.


Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:04 | 2688094 The Wizard of Oz
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SPX 1500!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:42 | 2688264 Sudden Debt
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actually, in the middle ages, my house was near the sea :)
now it's still oike 50 miles also from the sea, BUT THINK OF THE REAL ESTATE POTENTIAL!!!!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:04 | 2688095 jbvtme
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i read it's been unusually cold and wet in europe

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:09 | 2688119 Jack Burton
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It's warm in London. Last Oct we all headed to the beaches for 80 degree days, Spring came early then turned cold and wet. Many plants were tricked into bloom and died.

If you are going to comment on European weather it helps to know what that weather has been. Record UK rains are to be expected. More heat in the atmosphere allows more water vapor to be held. And water vapor is also a positive feed back loop.

Oh, can I interest you in a good natural gas play? Try the arctic sea off of Eastern Siberia, methane hydrate are spewing from the sea floor in kilometer wide plumes. Another feed back loop?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:14 | 2688138 Raymond K Hessel
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Methane hydrates???

Didn't Chris Ewing figure out how to use methane hydrates to replace oil?



Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:26 | 2688191 Jack Burton
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Once they melt they become useless to try and harvest, but frozen on the bottom a way could be found. Much of the arctic sea is very shallow as well.

It was the pro fossil fuel Russian Academy of Science that released the methane plume story some months back. Despite a bias against global warming due to fossil fuel burning, even the Russian Academy Scientists claimed shock at how big these plume have grown in one year. They used to measure meters across, now they can measure kilometers in width. Exponential growth.

Lack of sea ice and warming water temps were blamed, though it did snow in South Africe recently and the UK had a cool early spring.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:32 | 2688442 smiler03
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I think you illustrate nicely that cherry picking weather events is easy and always will be.


In the UK in March 2012 we had record breaking high temperatures.

When I was a child I lived in South Africa, and whilst there in 1968 I experienced the first ever snow that I can remember. 

Droughts have been occuring for billions of years.


Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:41 | 2688261 DosZap
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i read it's been unusually cold and wet in europe

Yep the Olympics in the UK have been deluged by rainfall and cool temps.(even more than usual).

Also, its snowing in South Africa,(not a joke)

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:07 | 2688354 DoChenRollingBearing
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It's a colder than normal winter in Lima, Peru as well.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:05 | 2688098 mrktwtch2
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who cares?? i live in chicago area 12000 yrs ago there was a mile of ice here and 75000 yrs ago it was a flash!! humans dont affect the global climate yet the harp array in alaska can cahnge

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:08 | 2688112 Sophist Economicus
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I call bullshit!    Dick Cheney wasn't alive 12,000 years ago

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:29 | 2688144 Jack Burton
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So CO2 is not increasing in PPM?  And the physics show CO2 does not trap more heat raditation from radiating back to space?

So if I burn coal or oil it does not produce CO2?

CO2 does not accumulate in the atmosphere?

CO2 does not trap radiation?

Have you looked at earth from space, look at the edge of a picture and thn judge how thin that atmosphere is, it's like an apple skin. You most certainly can put billions of fossil fuel burners on earth and change atmospheric chemistry and thus climate. Absolutely you can, and it is not hard to do in such a thin layer of atmosphere.

Denial is a useless exercise, because it is a baseless argument. Provide a firm basis in data and physics, I will be the first to change my views and also be happy for your nobel prize in physics!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:29 | 2688210 slyhill
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Brother, can ya spare a carbon offset?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:44 | 2688271 KidHorn
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Arguing is pointless on ZH. Most of the people here are fanatics who love to think every consensus view is a conspiracy of some sort.

The science behind global warming is pretty solid. It's those who don't understand it who argue against it. I have yet to hear a counter argument that explains why it's not happening other than to point out that human activities aren't the only thing that effects weather.

To me, the real question is will the long terms effects be more beneficial or harmful. I personally believe that without human activity, we would be entering an ice age. Mainly because ice ages are caused by cool summers. Not cold winters. Right now, the northern hemisphere summers are the coolest they can be based on the fact that NH summers are when the earth is farthest from the sun.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:07 | 2688357 Jack Burton
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KidHorn, Yes quite well put. I never approached the subject from any political viewpoint. I simply have fooled the science since the late 1980's. As each data point came in, the evidence mounted.

Denial is a firmly held political view, and most deniers do not dispute the evidence in a serious manner, this is because they can not dispute it with any hopes of gaining traction. Thus the sound bites that pretend to sum up complex physics and chemistry in a simple throw away talking point.

Never has a denier confronted the issue of fossil fuel buring producing CO2 and the physics of CO2 increases in the atmosphere. Not a word about reaching the 400PPM level this spring.

A graph of CO2 accumulation shows a rapid rise and eaxh years sesonal plant growth and die off cycle in the northern hemisphere shows up clearly in every measurement method, this PROVES the measurements correct and indicates that a cycle can exist in a larger context. This is where deniers always trip themsleves up. They fail to see that a natural climate cycle can be biased by the addition of a new input. That is the CO2 from fossil fuel burning.

Basic High School Science lies behind the fundamentals, it only becomes complex in the finer details and predictions.

The experiment that proves CO2 traps heat is basic 9th grade science. Anyone can run this experiment and confirm it. Yet deniers never ever confront this simple fact. And they will not dispute this simple post at all, though they will "junk it."

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:12 | 2688375 Jack Burton
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The natural bias is towrds cooling, yes an ice age is in the cards without global warming. But that ice age probably was very far off in human time scales. Global warming will almsot certainly overpower the natural cycles and negate any appoaching ice age. Though a shut down of ocean currents could plunge Europe into it's own ice age. The jury is still out on that, but I have seen data that the sinking water that feeds the current off of Iceland and Norway has slowed considerably.

This is a HUGE wild card.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:39 | 2688467 smiler03
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A super volcano eruption is a "HUGER" wild card. I won't go into reasons why, I'm sure you already know them.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:55 | 2688313 Missiondweller
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And I'm sure you also know the higher the CO2 level the faster plants and trees grow and absorb more CO2.


Of course that's just third grade science people always conveniently forget.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:15 | 2688382 Jack Burton
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Can you evidence that the increased plant growth will absorb the CO2. If so, how did we pass 400PPM this Spring?

Forests are dieing across the north from insect damage due to warmer winters not killing them off. The Amazon is being cut down for furniture.

Yes, CO2 helps plant growth. No, not enough to absorb the new CO2 and net forest is decreasing. Thus your premise is totally and utterly false in every way imaginable. Not valid.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:49 | 2688502 pods
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"Can you evidence that the increased plant growth will absorb the CO2."

Sure, the evidence is THE INCREASED PLANT GROWTH.

That is the same thing as saying that being fat is not evidence that you eat too much.


Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:33 | 2688447 silverserfer
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it sounds like you stalled out at third grade math as well

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 15:51 | 2688743 Kiwi Pete
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Although increased C02 does help plant growth in the controlled environment of a greenhouse this does not translate neatly to plants in the wild. Other factors come into play which tend to offset the benefit.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:31 | 2688440 Papasmurf
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Do your part.  Stop breathing.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 15:13 | 2688507 Tator
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Yikes... a believer in the Religion of Global Warming (oops need name change since temps have not followed the High Priest model predictions) so next the Church changed the name to Climate Change.

After Climategate and the recent study showing weather stations poorly sited have inflated the heating only a religious zealot would still worship the Church.. When you subtract the poorly sited stations the increase in well with normal variation…the 1930s were just as hot as it is today when CO2 PPM were much lower.... keep clicking those Ruby Slipper and saying, “I do believe, I do believe….

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 16:52 | 2688972 BooMushroom
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Indeed. Carbon dioxide makes up 0.0002% more of the atmosphere than it did last year, per the NOAA. That is data. Specifically, it went from 0.039098% to 0.039295% of the atmosphere.
Nitrogen 78.09%
Oxygen 20.94%
Argon 0.93%
Carbon Dioxide 0.039295%


Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:25 | 2688189 MeBizarro
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Humans don't affect the global climate?!  We haven't developed massive amounts of land, greatly increased carbon outputs, and haven't cleared widespread portions of the earth's surface for agriculture and grazing the last 100 years or so especially since WW2?

Only an imbecile would argue that humans don't affect global climate. 


Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:51 | 2688292 Totentänzerlied
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Only an imbecile would state that they KNOW OF, UNDERSTAND, and CAN PROVE such effects. There are so imbeciles.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:19 | 2688400 Jack Burton
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Not true! In fact the evidence is clear and is not in serious question. Why are no decent counter arguments around? Because they have no evidence to back them.

As for imbeciles, give it just one more decade and we shall revist who the embicles are. This is not a debate, this is facts versus denial.

The earth is flat? Yes some will argue it is, just look out your window, how could it not be?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:36 | 2688452 silverserfer
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well theyre just used to thumping their bibles harder and faster to compensate for reason. 

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:00 | 2688331 Enceladus
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You are right it all depends on your starting point.

Remember when the Earth was a snowball?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:21 | 2688408 Jack Burton
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Sonwball earth provides all the evidence needed to support global climate change due to CO2 variations. How did we come out of snow ball earth?

CO2 from volcanic erruptions. Where does that CO2 come from? Yes, the global carbon cycle. Google "carbon cycle".

Man takes carbon from the ground and returns it to the atmosphere just as nature would with volcanic activity. Nobody argue volcanic activity can't, in the long run, increase world temperatures!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:08 | 2688099 Dr. Engali
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Flakmeister is going to be all over this.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:23 | 2688179 krispkritter
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Shhh....maybe he's in his mom's basement thinking up sordid new things to do with his Al Gore blowup doll in front of the Altar of Global Warming...(did I get the meaning of AGW right?)

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:18 | 2688395 Mad Cow
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He's out looking for a new job.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:34 | 2688450 knukles
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On the other side of Mom's basement.

(can you hear me now)

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:05 | 2688101 Jack Burton
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The sun was in a rare solar minimum the last few years and La Nina prevailed in the Pacific. Both are cooling forces, now the sun has returned to a more average output and El Nino seems to be forming, both these are warming forces.

That said, the La Lina was the warmest temperature associated La Nina ever. So it stands to reason once the cooling forces are taken out we will see some record heat. I told my son in law a month before this heat formed the same above information and told him record heat was likley.

He seemed to think I was talking about global warming and said the facts were not all on about that. Well he has not commented on the temperatures since then and YES, I was talking about golbal warming as the background conditions to the solar and La NIna events.

Simply put, the heat is on, and it is going to get much worse very soon unless we get some natural event that counteracts it for a time.

My last visit in the Alps was almost funny, watching guys with snow cats trying to spead white plastic sheets on parts of glaciers to prevent melt. Now how much of a waste of time is that. Also flew over Greenland, the place is turing into one giant melt lake and river system atop the high glaciers. 30 years ago you would not see anything like that. Time change, always have, always will.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:09 | 2688117 Raymond K Hessel
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Global warming my fat ass!!

It gets hot.  It gets cold.  Then, wait for it, it gets hot again.

It's called the weather.  Solar activity has increased, not decreased, recently and probably is the cause to the change in weather.

You guys will think of anything to justify more regulation, more taxes, less liberty.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:17 | 2688156 Jack Burton
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Quite simply wrong on all counts. Is your argument genuine science or political? It gets warm in my house, it gets cold in my house, but when I turn on the furnace, guess what? Yes it gets warmer from whatever baseline existed when I switched it on! 8th grade science.

Do I need to explain averages as well? This always trips up the denial community.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:30 | 2688187 NotAMathWhiz
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I can explain averages.  Put one hand in the freezer, the other on the stove and on average you're just right.

Or, to keep in context, put on hand in Chicago (unusually hot) and one hand in Johannesburg (unusually cold, see article below), and you have an average climate.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:29 | 2688212 Jack Burton
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Perfect! A+

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:31 | 2688221 ThirdWorldDude
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Here's where 95-97% of your CO2 comes from, Jack Burton...

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 20:12 | 2689442 Jack Burton
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What kind of graph is that? Does it say anything about size or duration?

My CO2, so what kind of point is that? The figures for man made carbon emissions can be goggled up in seconds.

Care to explain the steady increase in CO2 in PPM, we did pass 400PPM you know this spring.

The rise is a mirror image of man made CO2 emissions. Volcanic erruptions do not constitute the increase we have seen the last century.

So you are wrong. Volcanic CO2 is not driving the global warming we witness this last 100 years.

Lets see, it's not the sun, it's not volcanoes, it IS man's fossil fuel burning. After all, where does that CO2 go, up into space.

Deniers have a hundred talking points excuses, everyone of them is wrong. So being wrong is actually a characteristic of being a global climate change denier. I have confidence that denial is 99% political. Because no denier can produce science to back their claims up. They are wuite simply dead wrong on every point. And being wrong all the time ain't easy!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:32 | 2688222 MachoMan
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If you are going to ignore induction, then please provide a deductive reason why temperatures will simply continue to increase in perpetuity...

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:10 | 2688366 Colonial Intent
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Is Hell Exothermic or Endothermic?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:18 | 2688399 JimBowie1958
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RKH:It gets hot.  It gets cold.  Then, wait for it, it gets hot again.

JB: Quite simply wrong on all counts.

That has to be the absolutely stupidest, most moronic response to a post I have EVER seen ANYWHERE on the internet.

World fucking record, jack ass.

You are so obviously an AGW zealot I am surprised anyone bothers to even try to discuss the subject with you, ass hat clown.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:49 | 2688504 smiler03
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My thinking exactly.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 20:18 | 2689455 Jack Burton
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Your thinking is wrong. Care to refute global climate change with your science?

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 20:20 | 2689452 Jack Burton
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Thank you for your informed scientific facts, you have proved me wrong by your unquestioned scientific knowledge. I bow to your superior research abilities. But I am proud to say, and I have no doubt about it. "You are wrong on all counts". I never doubt it, your post proves an inability to refute global climate change. If you could you would, you didn;t because you can't. How does it feel to be wrong on all counts?

I am a Jack Ass? Is that true because you have no rational argument to make, you can only name call like being on the grade school play ground?

Too many "know nothing" so called conservatives are talking shit about cliamte change because thay can't deal with the truth. The truth is that man's massive buring of fossil fuels releases massive CO2 emissions into the atmosphere and these trap heat radiation that otherwise would escape to space. Temperatures are rising because of this and calling me a Jack Ass can't change that fact.

Being called a jack ass by you is a badge of honor I wear proudly. Because in this case, I am right and you are wrong.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 13:58 | 2688323 Missiondweller
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Isn't funny how whenever its colder than normal its "just weather" but if its hotter than normal its "global warming"???

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 20:23 | 2689465 Jack Burton
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Wrong! Quite the opposite is true. Don't you watch the FOX liars network. The attribute every cold day to proof that their is no global warming and ignore every heat wave or call it only weather.

Only deniers can't understand the difference between weather and climate. They are related of course.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:48 | 2688501 klapper
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"...and it is going to get much worse very soon..."

Is it? It certainly needs to from the perspective of the castastrophic AGW promotors. There's been an annoying plateau in global SATemperatures since 2002 or so and the current trends from the previous 11 years in the 3 SAT global databases are basically flat, when it should have warmed approximately 0.2C in this same period, according to the GCModels. I know the excuses: it's "natural variability" and the models show random 10 year periods of no global warming anyway. However, the point remains, if it doesn't start warming sharply and steadily soon, the predictions of the models are suspect.


Wed, 08/08/2012 - 14:52 | 2688522 smiler03
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Mr Burton still uses the term "Global Warming" too.

As we know, the global warming stopped which is why "they" renamed their theories as "Climate Change".

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