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Karlsruhe Decision: German Taxpayer Pillage Can Continue (But With EUR190bn Cap)

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UPDATE: EURUSD unsure - but seems like 'Unlimited' ECB Bazooka's trigger (ESM) is now capped at EUR190bn from Germany.

The Kardinals of Karlsuhe kame through. As somewhat expected, they declined the complaint that, simply put - and among many other things, the ESM structure (i.e. German payments into it) stretches German constitutionality and can proceed to a broader vote next year - but basically - in a nutshell - there's no coming back now. As expected there are conditions though - that the market seems perturbed by:


Limited ESM (primary market) vs Unlimited secondary bond market buying (OMT). Go figure it out


Pre-Karlsruhe: EUR 1.2870, Spain 10Y 5.677%, ES 1434, 10Y TSY 1.7100%, 10Y Bund 1.5700%, BE500 (Stocks) 187.13 (as the decision was made EURUSD cracked 60 pips lower and back up - perfectly normal algo stop-run)

Post-Decision (positive reaction): EUR 1.2895 (+25pips), Spain 10Y 5.70% (+3bps), 10Y TSY 1.732% (+2bps), 10Y Bund 1.614% (+4bps),  BE500 (stocks) 187.7 (+.57)


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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:17 | 2784480 financial apoca...
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sell outs

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:30 | 2784497 bank guy in Brussels
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Merkel rolling over, supporting Draghi and ECB ... German court rolling over ...

What about Mark 'jack in the box' Grant and the other pundits ... who have been saying for weeks that the 'tough hard-money Germans' were just not gonna go along with paying for other countries and bond-buying ...

Whereas many of us said all along that Germans only talk tough for domestic politics, but they will roll over ... must  protect the German banks, insurers and pension funds, after all

QE to infinity, in many ways and many forms ... what the banks need and want will be provided ... as Jim Sinclair said long ago


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:39 | 2784520 spdrdr
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Exactly, bank guy.

Jim Sinclair has been 100% correct so far, although I personally think he is becoming a slight bit deranged as of late.

However, to be fair, if the recent ramblings have been a rational response to current events by JS, then we are all well and truly fucked. 

{Insert your favourite invisible all-powerful entity's name here} save us all.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:44 | 2784531 mick_richfield
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{Insert your favourite invisible all-powerful entity's name here}

John Galt.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:02 | 2784560 TwoShortPlanks
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No different to any other Bill, just Steam-Roll the fucker through and we'll fix-up all the minor points later...190B Euro will become 1.9T Euro given enough time and enough Political ill-will.

Bullish Gold tho!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:48 | 2784624 Comay Mierda
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I heard Chief Justice John Roberts called the German Court to give them pointers on how to shit on their constitution

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:55 | 2784639 Popo
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Too bad 190 Billion will be gone in about 6 months and we'll be right back where we are now, except in a deeper hole.

Carry on.  The debt and spending problems have apparently been solved with more debt and spending.  What could go wrong?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:48 | 2784664 fonzannoon
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Mark Grant can stop playing with his war figurines in his mom's basement now.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:57 | 2784558 andrewp111
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Yes. The Eurozone will only break when the voters in some state have passed the breaking point and vote to exit. Even Greece, with all the stress it is under, hasn't  come anywhere close to this point.  As long as the ELA keeps on flowing and the banks stay sufficiently alive to maintain the deposit accounts, it seems nothing will change.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:30 | 2784602 Ar-Pharazôn
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No, to break up Europe you just need one country leaving it. market are too much interconnected.

what do you think would happen if greece default (aka says to europe fuck you, we dont want to pay back the debt)? Bank failing all over Europe. and guess what's next if bank start failing all over Europe?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:27 | 2784665 frenzic
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Boots on the ground baby. In the name of freedom and democracy we will defeat the terrorists. NATO will be involved. Nothing a couple of 1,000,000,000,000 of brand spanking new fiat won't fix. Go team fascism! Oh and a shitload of propaganda. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:55 | 2784637 Comay Mierda
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"The Eurozone will only break when the voters... vote to exit"

It's so cute that you dont realize elections are rigged

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:02 | 2785170 ElvisDog
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Not only that, but it will never be brought to a popular referendum. Look what happened to the Greek PM when he even suggested he might do it.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:26 | 2784597 YuropeanImbecille
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They Germans have no say in this. The Zionist-satanist controll that state to the fullest since at least 70 years.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:46 | 2784623 CDSMonkey
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Yes all the Nein Nein Nein stuff without seeing what was really going on has been dead wrong! Since "whatever it takes" day the path has been leading to positive not negative outcome

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:23 | 2784482 No Euros please...
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But you have to laugh. A cap on ESM when 30% of the funds to bail out Spain and Italy are coming from......Spain and Italy. And if anyone really expects France to actually shell out anything approaching another 20%, think again.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:28 | 2784493 eigenvalue
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Yes, the ESM is capped but they can create another new facility. Problem solved.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:40 | 2784522 Just Ice
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Or simply continue bailing out countries by printing through the backdoor (ELA) while pretending the euro is hard rather than monopoly money.  ELA is why they are all so anxious for Spain to request a bailout now...but also why Spain is hemming and hawing and in general dallying, to others' great annoyance.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:02 | 2784565 eigenvalue
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In my opinion, whether the ESM is capped is not important. Once Spain applies for a bailout from the ESM, the ECB can start providing unlimited clandestine financing for Spain's government in the following way. 

Step 1: Spanish banks buy SPGB on the primary market.

Step 2: Spanish banks flip SPGB to the ECB and receive Euros

Step 3: The ECB tries to sterilise the bond purchase through issuing to Spanish banks debt certificates or some thing else.

Step 4: Spanish banks pledge the debt certificates to Spain's Central Bank through ELA and get Euros

Step 5: Go to Step 1.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:15 | 2784587 Zero Debt
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It is a takeover of Germany. That's all there is.
And yes, 190bn is a lot of hard earned tax money. 190bn too much.
Federation ECB next. Appoint a strong handed banking fuhrer and build a new political reich on top of the banking reich. Crush gold bugs and shut down the blogosphere. Rinse, repeat.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:26 | 2784596 Treason Season
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First we take Manhattan then we take Berlin

MKULTRA Star Leonard Cohen

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:59 | 2785157 frenzic
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Hmm Ken Kesey and Leonard Cohen. Wielding great influence on a younger me. Shit keeps getting deeper and deeper.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:35 | 2784610 michael_engineer
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Maybe the contributions from spain and italy will be where the rub is. Obtaing those percentages may not be easily done. Or if france or any other country can't or won't come up with their percentages then that might scuttle it.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:23 | 2784485 Fuh Querada
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These people are at least as politically "independent" as the Federal Reserve.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:23 | 2784486 eigenvalue
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The German judges are just the same gutless tossers as their American fellows. 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:34 | 2784608 Colonel Klink
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Mein Furrer!  It is you.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:25 | 2784488 asteroids
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190B seems like a really small number. But of course with 100:1 leverage it will all work out fine, won't it?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:39 | 2784521 Zero Govt
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don't ask Judges to do maths, they can't even interprit the Law correctly

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:27 | 2784489 Capitalist
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My favourite show is on, Keeping up with the Krimson Kardinals

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:27 | 2784492 williambanzai7
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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:26 | 2784595 Colonel Klink
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Dance fuckers!


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:52 | 2784631 falak pema
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the french are useless in economics; but they know how to kick up their heels; at least their women do! 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:15 | 2784978 samcontrol
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Especially the idiot who sold the south part of the US for pocket change.

I would be way prouder if Louisiana and co. where French. Wow, imagine Canadians to the north an Frenchies in the south. I could also migrate to the US , but then you guys prefer Mexican backpackers to Frenchies.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:29 | 2784494 Debtonation
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Nobody cares about the taxpayer anymore.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:30 | 2784499 Gandalf6900
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tax payer is so informal, I'm a bloody human being....

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:38 | 2784598 Colonel Klink
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You're only a bloody human being AFTER you stop being a taxpayer!!

Don't forget it.


-Teh management

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:23 | 2785002 samcontrol
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Can,t beleive thatwith all these brilliant minds here, you guys have not found a way Not to pay taxes. But then, where i live a 40' tv is over a $1000. Want another example? Ford focus 1.6 costs $25k . I Live in P-------a.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:31 | 2784668 i_fly_me
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Well ... the percentage they let you keep is anyway.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:30 | 2784501 magpie
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Who needs him after QE and OMT

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:34 | 2784507 Zero Govt
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what happens after OMT?

you mean when the OMT is spent, what next when vessel of last. last, last, last resort is a frazzled crisp?

nobody thinks that far in Europe, nobody thinks in Europe let's be honest!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:29 | 2784496 Gandalf6900
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thanks for the assraping...can I have some more

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:30 | 2784502 obvious_sarcasm
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Say hello to German VAT tax increase in 3....2.....

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:31 | 2784503 Zero Govt
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"it's on like Donkey Kong"

Europe goes into complete LaLa Land ...even the Judges have lost their marbles and want to socialise losses (on their countrymen)

this isn't going to end well


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:34 | 2784504 Anasteus
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German 'Nein' has just vanished.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:36 | 2784511 Non Passaran
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Nein, it hasn't.


It's One. Nein. Zero. BILLION! Euros.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:01 | 2784561 Anasteus
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That's barely sufficient for Spanish banks.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:03 | 2784728 Tirpitz
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But it allows the over-leveraged northern banks another lease on life.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:36 | 2784506 giovanni_f
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I said so in my ZH comment on 04/09/2012:

"Nothing ain't gonna happen: The judges will down-calibrate the whole issue to a minor not-really-constitution-related-parliamentary-decision-process-formality-violation-or-so that the government has 10 years time to look into and propose ideas for remediation. Problem solved (for the judges). In no instance has a German supreme court (in a serious case) ruled against the kids pretending to be in charge of caring for 80.000.000 souls."

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:50 | 2784543 andrewp111
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As I said before, just like the US Supreme Court ruling in favor of ObamaCare. There is no way judges will overturn the elected leaders on something this big.  Not even judges in red robes.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:06 | 2784735 Tirpitz
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KIDS in red robes.

While kids would be innocent, unlike the organized crime running the current courts of injustice.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:05 | 2784919 Reptil
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yup and I was wrong there, I'd hoped they'd say "NI" lol

The germans are pathetic cowards just like the rest, if they let this continue.

I did warn everyone and their mum to buy physical gold. I hope that counts. ;-)

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:34 | 2784508 AG BCN
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Capped at EUR190bn + a Shrubbery

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:16 | 2784588 Zero Debt
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+1 Knight who says NI

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:16 | 2784510 Non Passaran
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It doesn't sound like a lot. If Germany has to cap it, others won't accept unlimited exposure as well.

The only problem is as eigenvalue said, there is nothing the scumbags from Brussels and the ECB can't "work" around. 

Let's hope Finland caps their exposure to EUR19. And the Dutch too.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:38 | 2784517 Yen Cross
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 I can't wait to see how they delegate " Subordination" to this cluster f..k !? "Limited ESM (primary market) vs Unlimited secondary bond market buying (OMT). Go figure it out"

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:40 | 2784518 DavidC
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It's another bubble that's being blown, pure and simple.

They (Fed, ECB, BoE) are so absolutely desperate to keep the whole thing going they will keep choosing the path of least resistance, which GUARANTEES another 2008 event at some point, because NONE of the underlying problems are being solved.


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:47 | 2784534 Judge Arrow
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Kardinals: Hey, you can park here, but when the meter is up in about 10 minutes, your car gets blown up.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:47 | 2784535 Shevva
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You can use the EU credit card as long as you don't max it out.

Although if you do max it out we'll give you another one on the condition that you don't max that one out.

OK, OK you need another credit card, well this time you REALLY have to promise not to max it out.

At some point we will check the staements to check what all this money is going on, we would check next week but can't be bothered to scare the muppets giving us these credit cards so will leave it to next year now.


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:48 | 2784536 boogey_bank
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how much is 190bln translated in months?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:53 | 2784546 Gandalf6900
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how much is 190bln in days?

there now its the correct question...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:13 | 2784582 falak pema
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hahaha; you don't understand how back door banking works with its perpetual revolving door mechanisms.

If you  as private bank deposit money for ONE week with the ECB, that counts for bond purchase "sterilisation"...think of that! 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:51 | 2784544 Yen Cross
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 The Kardinals might want to hook up with Corzine and that Swiss "whistleblower" banker, for an extended stay at " moon base 1"...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:29 | 2784601 Colonel Klink
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Or the Scientologists.  Just be sure to bring your magic space underwear!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:53 | 2784547 Apostate2
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This is just more talkee talk or the iconic can kicking olympic sport. However, the fine print says they need to take a doping test. Expect more thread pulling from the tapestry of the EU as the weavers scream what about our artisitic concept?

Post modernism exit modernism exit reality.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 04:57 | 2784556 apberusdisvet
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More can kicking, but the interesting comment is from Barasso who proposes that the ECB morph into the EuroFED and essentially control all the monetary authority for the EZ, all under Euro Parliament auspices; you know, those useful puppets and idiots of Farage-speak who have yet to meet a bankster fascist that they don't adore.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:08 | 2784575 GernB
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It's all on now for the totally limited unlimited bond purchases.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:10 | 2784577 falak pema
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My Geneva trading friend is phukked, he's lost his bet! 

I'll be buying the dinner now every time we meet! 

Euro = 1.29! 

Soros sipping champagne, and I bet he has bought Italian bonds as he promised he would do.


Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:12 | 2784580 ciscokid
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Buy gold and silver!!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:23 | 2784593 falak pema
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now that will truly be capped by TPTB, you can count on that; not like this champagne cork limit that the Kardinals have put on ESM.

Champagne corks are designed to take off!  

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:33 | 2784606 YuropeanImbecille
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I placed a large order on silver yesterday =) Silver should be priced in the $100 range


I will buy silver on a weekly basis until we reach that level 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:13 | 2784583 awakening
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Can kicking continues, at this rate I'll be out of food (no gold, silver and other stuff here guv'nor) before this bubble pops =X

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:17 | 2784591 Sandmann
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And what exactly happens when the 190 billion Euro Cap is breached ? At the end of the day political power comes from the barrel of a gun. Politicians do not fear being executed nowadays and simply ignore the legal niceties especially if they have a Law Degree  - they show most contempt for legal restraints unless they are imposing them - look at Clintons, Obama, Schauble,

This is simply the situation faced by Colbert in France and then later by Charles Alexandre de Calonee just before the French Revolution....trying to rein in Political Profligacy by rational means......

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:50 | 2784607 Reptil
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Oh that's simple. ESM2. No judge said anything about ESM2.

And who will find out what happened with that 160 Billion in the near future? No one, since there's NO oversight.

Yes, your analasys is 100% correct, there are strong parallels between this descent into debt oblivion and what sparked the French Revolution.

It's 40 BILLION for the Netherlands (not a small sum on the whole) especially if you look at what's already been transferred through the ECB.

Now... it's election day. (probably the last "free" one ever)
Let's see, who's against the ESM? Right wing? Nope. Socialists? Nope. All bought and paid for. NOT A PEEP from these ppl.

A small party called "De partij voor de dieren" (Party for behalf of the animals) is the only one SPECIFYING they're against the ESM on rational arguments.
Namely that it's a leaking basket already in it's design and there's no oversight possible WHATSOEVER.

THe ESM; a cool 700 BILLION EURO to the banksters... (I did NOT find an english translation of this article!)

Here's more of the dutch Court of Audit (which is an advisary organ, nothing more).\

The Court of Audit would draw particular attention to the following two points:

  1. The treaty does not explicitly lay down what types of audit the Board can carry out and on what grounds. The Court of Audit recommends that the by-laws provide the Board with a broad mandate, including the power to audit the regularity, policy compliance, effectiveness and risk management of the support programmes funded from the ESM in accordance with international audit standards.
  2. The treaty lays down that the Board of Auditors will report once a year to the Board of Governors (the finance ministers of the 17 participating euro countries). The Court of Audit thinks this restriction on the Board of Auditors' publication opportunities is undesirable. The by-laws should lay down that the public annual report contain at least the conclusions and recommendations arising from the Board's audits. It would also be advisable to include the Board of Governors' response to those conclusions and recommendations. The annual report will, of course, be made available to the national parliaments, which are responsible for democratic control of the ESM.

What happens next?

The Dutch Minister of Finance is also a member of the Board of Governors. When the treaty comes into effect, the Board of Governors will adopt the by-laws. The Dutch parliament can hold the Minister of Finance to account for the inclusion of the above points in the by-laws.


fuck the animals I'm voting "Partij voor de Dieren" LOL

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:47 | 2784611 falak pema
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think of it : ECB in unhampered to buy on secondary market, ESM is officially capped on first market; ESM will be circumvented by ECB plays in cahoots with the private banks; and ESM will become a paper shell that will serve as front for the ECB under the table unlimited plays.

The main AIM of ALL this CB plays IS TO SAVE THE PRIVATE BANKS; period. They will do everything required to get there, until it fails if there is no real economic growth in the next five years. By then we will have new political leaders, and debased money will have pauperised first world to allow the Oligarchs to reinvest in first world projects.

Buying time for the banks and Oligarchs  and letting the new reality of austerity and lower living standards sink into the head of sheeple is the game plan.

Necker's austerity and Calonne's profligacy...damned if you do, damned if you don't; when a hundred year trend becomes impossible to check as it morphs into total decadence of the old order.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:32 | 2784603 Colonel Klink
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Stop worrying everyone, the Federal Reserve has no such caps.  Money will secretly flow from the magic money spring where the skittle shitting unicorn drinks.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:52 | 2784632 Reptil
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phew that's a relief!

thanks man!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:31 | 2784604 PaperBear
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Monty Python lives on.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:49 | 2784625 Anglo Hondo
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As soon as you take Ireland, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece and Cyprus out of the list of contributors to the ESM, you only have 440 Billion Euros in the fund.

But, the agreement is that the remainder, to make up to 700 Billion, is divided between the remainder, which pushes up Germany's contribution above the 190 Billion. That is a nein nein nein.

So how is this going to work?  Seems to be dead in the water already.



Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:54 | 2784636 Reptil
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Ah good point.
They'll solve it by falsifying their balance sheets? 2+2=3

NO one will ever know.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:14 | 2784654 No Euros please...
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You forgot to take France out of your list. You really think they're going to contribute real cash? Let me ask you, which EU country has suddenly gone into low profile mode? Who's politicos have said nothing recently about Greece or Spain or ESM? Which country has Olympic Gold for ignoring all EU directives they don't like?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 05:54 | 2784635 I am Jobe
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How many  sheeples in the USSA are thinking about this I wonder- Not very many- Too fucking busy about food and fucking TV shows.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:19 | 2784657 redd_green
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German taxpayers are not being pillaged, any more than Chinese "savers" are being pillaged.  This article stinks.    Most of the world has fiat monetary systems, folks.    THese central banks are not raiding the germans savings accounts to give Greece the 23rd bailout.  It is PRINTED money.   (geez)

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:29 | 2785031 Just Ice
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I down voted you.  Your knowledge or comprehension stinks.

Printed money devalues the currency thereby stealing from the owners and users of that currency, robbing them of purchasing power.  (Including savers and taxpayers who acquired their fiat through legal means - usually as value for their labor - rather than by counterfeit or otherwise having newly created currency freely handed to them for nothing).

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:38 | 2785075 redd_green
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They didn't print more money just to pay the Greeks.    And, how is money sent to Greece devaluing the hard working germans savings?     Your knowledge stinks.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:53 | 2785117 Just Ice
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Germany is the primary contributor of funds to all of the euro bailout mechanisms.  Its share is a larger percentage than the other euro countries.  The German government does not, of course, have money of its own for the contributions but rather obtains its money via the collection of taxes and fees from "the hard working Germans" and their businesses.  That is how the Germans' savings are "pillaged" for bailouts.   

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:25 | 2784662 bigkahuna
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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:33 | 2784671 muppet_master
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190 b eur cap !!


i have a "stupid question" where is the other 2 Trillion gonna come from? oh yeah the rich countries like the PIIGS !!! LOL !!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:45 | 2784684 nathan1234
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This will limit Germany's losses

All countries will put their cap and as a result nothing will work out.

The Euro is doomed- Only a temporary reprieve



Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:01 | 2784723 SmoothCoolSmoke
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"this isn't going to end well".   Man that's a phrase I'm getting sick of.  You, know, someday the earth "isn't going to end well"......but if that's 50,000 years from now, who alive realy cares?   Why is tis BS any different?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:00 | 2784903 Reptil
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Because before it was fractured, so if something went wrong on some continent, the rest would be ok.

Right now we're in the same boat, and it's sinking (fast). What part of that don't you understand? :-)

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:06 | 2784934 Zodiac
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The kamels nose is in the tent now.  Karlsruhe konditions kan be kanned as more money is needed.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:46 | 2785107 alp
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They will keep rolling over, both Americans and Europeans, as long as they can.

Zero Hedge might consider changing the blog philosophy completely, because on a long enough timeline the survival rate for fundamentalists is zero. I suggest you change the blog's ID to something for more positive and trend following like.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:59 | 2785155 sessinpo
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Those disappointed with the ceiling or cap need not be. Ceilings or caps as well as floors are broken more often then not. That is "real" market forces taking place when that happens, despite all the government invertention.

There is no cap on Germany's participation on bailouts until the German citiizens put their foot down. Right now, German citizens are doing the same as US citizens which is bitch and complain about what is happening, buying into the red/blue (left/right) argument, voting in the same people they complain about and then bitching and complaining some more. In other words, the can is being kicked down the road because the citizens allow it to be that way.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:46 | 2785382 Elmer Fudd
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Damm, them Kardinals must be damm good eekonomistas too, man that 190 billion euro number is spot on!  Very impressive /mdb

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