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Kiss Tax Revenues Goodbye - Greek Civil Insubordination Takes On A Surreal Twist

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While we understand the motive of Greeks to cripple the financial nerve center of the country by effectively immobilizing the finance ministry and subjecting the country to a 9 day shutdown, we are yet to witness the ingenuity of the people, when angry, to completely lock down the country's financial apparatus, especially when it comes to the revenue side of the ledger. Behold the latest reason why the next time the Troika does its paper napkin "assessment" of the Greek deficit to GDP it will be double digits, and have a 2 handle.

As Bloomberg reports: "The GENOP union, which represents workers at Public Power Corp SA, has blocked access to the building where company bills are issued in Athens to protest a property tax which is to be paid via electricity bills, state- run Athens News Agency reported, without citing anyone." That's right: one needs actual physical presence in Greece in order to be able to enact the key component of the most recent Troika "compromise." Which the government does not have. This leaves two options: risk an all out civil war as G-Pap lets the police out and begins a confrontation between the broader population and the government or, more likely, do nothing, hope nobody in Germany realizes that Greece is doing absolutely nothing to collect taxes, and continue the status quo charade, which is one where Greece is merely a conduit for the ECB to fund Greece so it in turn can fund European banks with interest payments and in the process preserve some credibility in the Euro, and make the jobs of JCT, and soon, Mario Draghi, non-redundant.

In light of all this, we wonder just how much sabotage may have been a factor in the recent discovery that Greece had run out of ink to print tax forms with. A conservative estimate? 100%.

 

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Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:17 | 1766101 agent default
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Resistance bitchez!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:24 | 1766145 Thomas
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"Greece should default and default big."

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:17 | 1766355 redpill
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Nothing exceeds like excess!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:32 | 1767044 UBIGDummy
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JUST COLLAPSE ALFINREADY.

Cuz were FAZZED UP

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:29 | 1766157 Dr. Richard Head
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Perhaps massive tax insubordination is the only thing the US government will listen to.  Tea Party and OWS are great starts, but all of those people could stop paying their ponzi world tax and change would come swiftly.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:35 | 1766206 Mountainview
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Merkosy, can you see us ???

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 14:10 | 1766523 MachoMan
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I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the OWS protesters probably aren't the same folks as J6P, nose to the grindstone taxpayer...  In other words, a tax revolt by OWS is no different than what they're currently doing, i.e. not paying taxes.  If you're getting your titties painted on the world stage, you probably don't have a job nor any prospects for one...  (unless it involves titty painting).

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:39 | 1766214 Bicycle Repairman
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I don't know how many more ways the Greeks can say this, but unless the Euros have more money for the Greeks, the Euros can take a hike.  Every  Greek from the bottom to the top agree: we're are not paying.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:46 | 1766243 Dr. Richard Head
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If Dexia, whose "assets" rival the entire valuation of the Greek economy can be bailed out by the Federal Reserve and survive.......scratch that. 

Thanks Max Keiser and Tyler Durden.  My heros.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:47 | 1766258 gojam
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Spot on!

Talk about ignoring the Elephant in the room.

Jeez, the Eurozone seem obstinately blind to reality.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:47 | 1766435 john39
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its a delay game...  but delay for what?  stay tuned...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 15:05 | 1766746 Western
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Aliens.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 15:13 | 1766780 gojam
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Will they be invisible Gold eating Aliens which only our governments can save us from?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:15 | 1766301 lynnybee
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Perhaps massive tax insubordination is the only thing the US government will listen to.        .... go for it !   i got nothing to lose anyway !    old, broke, & am giving what i have away already to the younger people, maybe they will benefit.  an oversized government & parasitic banking industry.      

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:48 | 1766439 john39
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i need to revisit this subject, but according to my tax guy, it is not a crime to not pay taxes... you get into real trouble when you don't file your return.  big difference.   sure you get fined out the a!@, but you won't go to jail (well maybe depending on what they can prove as to your intent).  tax lawyer in the house?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:11 | 1766337 aerojet
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It is insane how much of each paycheck I forfeit to the Matrix.  It is not possible to really get ahead in the US by being a workaday zhlub.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:12 | 1766340 GottaBKiddn
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This Greek example, one of many, is proof that head-banging in the streets is the most ineffective way to change government policy.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:41 | 1766202 Black Forest
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42 percent of Germans who have a household net income of 4000 € and more are prepared [willing] to pay more taxes. Similarly high (43 percent) is the percentage in the income class 3000-4000 € net per month. Even some 33% of people who earn less than 3000 € net per month would pay more.

Fine for the Greeks. No need to buy ink there. Germans are proud to pay.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=...

 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:44 | 1766238 Fuh Querada
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a plant

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:03 | 1766314 Putty
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I don't see a majority, only a minority of sheep.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:59 | 1766477 shaxmatist
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"That's right: one needs actual physical presence in Greece"

 

Roll the Panzers, Hans, last station is Athens!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:17 | 1766102 DormRoom
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The Monetary Union has worked out so well for Greece.  It's basically a failed state.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:30 | 1766176 Divided States ...
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Total bizarro world again. Just dont get it but isnt a strong EUR gonna make the situation even worse for them Greeks??

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:34 | 1766204 Lord Welligton
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Doesn't really make that much difference.

Their tourism and agriculture is pretty much all traded in Euros.

So strong or weak has no real effect.

Fact is they should never have joined and should get out before they lose everything.

 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:56 | 1766285 hedgeless_horseman
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...and should get out before they lose everything.

Too late.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:01 | 1766305 Lord Welligton
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;)

You could be right.

But if that is the case then they have nothing to lose.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:24 | 1766370 redpill
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Then they are truly free.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:18 | 1766106 CClarity
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OTIRS - Occupy the IRS is coming to America?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:22 | 1766134 agent default
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I for one would not be surprised at all.  Not just the US though.  Enough is enough worldwide I think.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:23 | 1766136 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Aren't income taxes actually illegal in the U.S., because it's a disproportionate tax? Well...? Have they really got a whole country of sheep paying a huge unlawful tax?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:27 | 1766158 jcaz
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Yeah, ask Wesley Snipes how that works....

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:31 | 1766175 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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... or, similarly, Bradley Manning about being detained in a the land of the free, home of the brave... the best democracy in the world, etc.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:55 | 1766282 nonclaim
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When you have to pay taxes to milk *your own* cow you have reached true freedom.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:37 | 1766416 Dr. Acula
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Or ask Irwin Schiff (Peter's dad)

 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:47 | 1766250 GeneH3
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The Federal income tax was unconstitutional as a disproportionate tax until the 16th Amendent changed the constitutional.

The discussion is unnecessary.  Paying taxes is voluntary, or so insists Harry Reid. http://thematrixnot.blogspot.com/2009/03/paying-taxes-is-voluntary.html

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:51 | 1766447 JB
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and Harry Reid is correct. your W4 is an APPLICATION, which means you voluntarily enter into contract with the IRS. no contract is valid if it is entered into under duress or if one party is compelled to enter; therefore, the contract MUST be voluntary by Law.

 

of course, almost no one actually knows this fact. given the fact that Harry Reid KNOWS it is voluntary, what do you want to bet he doesn't pay federal income tax?

 

want to know more? 1215.org is your best friend.

http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/sovereignty/errant-sovereign-handbook.pdf explains exactly how to go about regaining your sovereignty.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:50 | 1766256 theman
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Classic economics distinguishes between wages and income, and regarded taxes on wages as tantamount to serfdom.

 

An awesome story is that of Irwin Schiff, Peter Schiff's dad, who wrote the Federal Mafia.

 

Good Call, Funky

 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:34 | 1766406 Raynja
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Corporations do not pay taxes until they have realized a profit, likewise for investors. Why should I pay taxes on my invested labor until my pay exceeds the average pay of someone with similar education and experience, thus showing I made a profit on how I spent my time.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 14:14 | 1766535 MachoMan
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No.  Ask yourself why everyone gets taxed on particular ranges the same...  hence brackets.  legal sophistry, i agree, but all of it is...  so...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:25 | 1766148 ParkAveFlasher
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OTIRS - Occupy the IRS is coming to America?

Now THAT would be something.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:04 | 1766319 lynnybee
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OTIRS - Occupy the IRS is coming to America?    ..... go for it !!!!   fraudulent I.R.S. ........ show me the law !! there is no law saying that we have to pay income tax;  cancerous government & parasitic banking system deliberately draining what little wealth the average citizen has left !    just wait til people sell a  home  in the year 2013 & get hit with a government "fee" of 3.8% of the sale price has to be paid to the U.S. GOVERNMENT on the sale of their property !!!     PARASITES.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:13 | 1766342 aerojet
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I would like to see at least one Federal Reserve bank alight.  Shit, did I just post that on a public message forum?  Well, fuck 'em.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:19 | 1766112 Subprime JD
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that is awesome.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:19 | 1766115 Jim in MN
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Greece ain't payin', but the ECB goose keeps layin'.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:43 | 1766233 kaiserhoff
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At the first level, this is a protest against responsibility by the Greeks, the kleptocrats, and the Jewish bankers.  What, me grow up?  Why?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 14:22 | 1766575 MachoMan
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Yep.  Waiting on everyone to start throwing molotov cocktails at themselves to protect future generations and the greek way of life...  and autonomy.  I'm not holding my breath.  Although, I guess technically, bumming off everyone IS the greek way of life at this point...  so scratch that one.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:19 | 1766119 jdelano
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I fucking hate the MSM for supressing this.  Just sayin.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:25 | 1766139 Subprime JD
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The MSM is not your friend. They do not work for you but for the fortune 400. They serve corporations, revenue sources and the powers that be. Their intention is to keep you in the dark, misinformed, trusting of the government. Thank God for the internet thats all I can say.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 15:35 | 1766876 Tao 4 the Show
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Check out the Telecommunications Act- passed under Reagen, I think. broke down the rules barring excessive and vertical ownership of the media in the U.S. Anyway, around 30 years ago, media ownership suddenly concentrated in the hands of a few large corporations. Prior to that it was owned by lots of small guys and there was a chance for the truth to come out. After that, all the wisdom of the past including anti trust etc was ignored.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:25 | 1766150 ReallySparky
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They don't want to give the sheep any idea's.  Last night I was out and ran into some younger folks.  I was chatting with them and asked what they thought about the OWS protests.  They had not clue it was even going on, or what it was supposedly about.  They also had no clue about Greece, Arab spring, blah, blah, blah.  These are college educated kids that are my sons age.

This says a lot about our public eduction system.  I gotta move to another planet, were there is some reality and like minded people.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:41 | 1766164 SeverinSlade
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$40,000 per year college tuitions are definitely worth something.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:21 | 1766126 ryanseventyfive
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Greece is the time, is the place is the motion
Greece is the way we are feeling
We take the pressure and we throw away
Conventionality belongs to yesterday
There is a chance that we can make it so far
We start believing now that we can be wo we are

- F. Valli

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:32 | 1766398 QuietCorday
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That's a youtube viral, if ever I saw one...

 

 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:22 | 1766132 SumSUN
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what happens when the cops go to cash their checks and it bounces?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:30 | 1766184 Dr. Richard Head
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They cross lines of the protestors they beat and start fighting against their overlords? MMMMMmmmmmmm....I just came a little.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:15 | 1766346 aerojet
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No, look at Mexico for a clue--the cops use their authority in an even more rogue and arbitrary manner.  Think roadblocks where you pay cash to get through.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:32 | 1766191 Canaduh
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Then extortion ramps up.   Welcome to how 3/4 of the world works.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:56 | 1766286 LawsofPhysics
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Yep, a truly free market.  Got physical and like minded neighbors?  You better.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:11 | 1766336 Bastiat
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what happens when the cops go to cash their checks and it bounces?

Some get hired by the Oligarchy as private security.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:23 | 1766140 Volaille de Bresse
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The Greel like most balkanic "nations" hate each others with all their guts... until an outside menace comes to threaten them (this time it's Brussels). Then they unite like blood bros would and fight the enemy till they prevail. 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:23 | 1766141 kengland
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Pass the falking traunch....who gives a shit. Let the good times roll

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:25 | 1766151 TradingJoe
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I say, before long, (as in this weekend), ITS ALL OVER!!! No matter how many more lies they, (ECBancheros), are spreading!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:26 | 1766155 Dick Darlington
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And remember when talking abt greek debt load, the eur 110 BILLION "rescue package number one" and the upcoming eur 109 BILLION "rescue package number two" WILL NOT show up in the "official" debt figures. Greece GDP in 2010 was roughly  eur 230 billion.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:26 | 1766156 SeverinSlade
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Short ink and long digital money creation.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:27 | 1766160 Manthong
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"a property tax which is to be paid via electricity bills,"

Does anybody else understand how FASCIST this maneuver is?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:31 | 1766186 Dick Darlington
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That's how EU-dictatorship works. I say let it burn.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:32 | 1766196 the not so migh...
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go long , candles, oil lamps, and wood buring stoves

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:54 | 1766246 Long-John-Silver
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Steam Powered Electric Generating Set

http://www.thelibertyman.com/steam_generator.php

Using 12 volt RV appliances will allow you to power everything from a bank of batteries. Once a week you fire up the boiler and recharge that battery bank. You can burn your trash in the boiler along with wood pallets available free from big box retailers. If you live in coal country you can buy a pickup truck load cheap. Natural Gas is another option and you can use it for lighting and refrigeration too. 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:16 | 1766350 aerojet
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How long would the free pallets last if everyone suddenly wanted them? 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:35 | 1766409 DCFusor
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Nice thought, very poorly implemented and way overpriced.  I guess I should start reselling my own designs, and perhaps work up a nice steam version.  Of course, steam has a lot of liability and reliability issues, it's not a set and forget thing -- keeping the fire between "not enough steam" and "not blowing off excess or exploding" isn't for the average couch potato who can't keep a woodstove regulated.

An auto alternator is pictured.  In tests here, there was nothing better at turning shaft energy into heat, not electricity than those nasty things.  My own design uses a surplus DC generator from a P51 Mustang, and it's loafing and making lots of electricity as I type, running on a high compression Honda fixed plant gasoline engine, and giving me btu->electricity at a comparable efficiency to a big power plant - high 30's %.

Anybody needing to be off grid is going to have PV panels and batteries, as I do, and you want a "Right sized" generator.  You ruin batteries cycling them too much or charging and discharging them too quick.  Some of the newer (still gasoline) inverter generators do well, but it's pointless for home use to generate AC, then need a battery charger to change it back to DC, losing energy both ways.  Also pointless to have an AC generator spinning full RPM even under light loads, as all the older non inverter models do.  My DC design runs the gas engine on the efficiency peak at all times...far cheaper to operate.

Steam is going to be fun, and you can do that solar-dynamic too.  Nowadays we have better stuff than the old horse-hide piston rings they had back in the day.  Most compressed air hydrualic cylinders are cheap, long lived, and will run in wet steam fine.

You might enjoy fishing around on this forum a little:

http://www.coultersmithing.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=48

Some stuff about my own alt energy systems.  I've been completely off the grid since 1979.

 

 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:32 | 1766197 Jim in MN
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About as fascist as this one was...

Poll tax riots - 20 years after

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8593158.stm

As the officers advanced, they were pelted with bricks. One injured Mr Tanner's hand, another tore a chunk from the flank of his horse, Keswick.

"I couldn't shake hands for about six months," he recalls, adding that other officers suffered psychologically afterwards.

For six hours after the crowds had dispersed from Trafalgar Square, mounted police "chased incidents" around central London.

"We were exhausted by the end. None of us had ever seen or experienced anything like it," he adds.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:39 | 1766216 ZackAttack
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I knew there was a use for those spare solar panels in inventory.

I wonder what vehicle they'll use to imbed it here? So many choices...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:41 | 1766229 youngman
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What if you have a long term lease...and how this screws up your rate of return....I bet not to many pay...they don´t now...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:22 | 1766366 Ronaldo
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So if you go off the grid then no property taxes!!!!!!!!! YEAH!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:39 | 1766420 DCFusor
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That's almost precisely my own situation.  If you buy bare land in the far boonies, and just build on it, never get a building permit (they're barns, man!) and don't get power co power piped in (which is who enforces you needing a building permit - power company is a good name for more than one reason) - you just pay taxes on the land, and on your "barn".  I did this myself, get water from one of the artesian springs I own, made a hidden drainfield, and run on solar-pv power (including a physics lab and machine shop) with rare needs for backup generator.  Saves almost the cost of the system every year in taxes alone.

http://www.coultersmithing.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=48

 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:30 | 1766177 dr.charlemagne
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Off Topic:

 Hey Tyler, how bout a post all about relative currency strengths (EUR/USD) and their effect on equities and the PM markets. The markedly increased correlation with US equities and gold and silver is freaking me out. Obviously, recent moves in everything are all about Euro strength and some paper-it-over bail out of Euro banks.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:30 | 1766178 thetruth
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why are stocks up again?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:46 | 1766248 agent default
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GETCO got a brand new server.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:33 | 1766388 reload
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reverse pomo day - much effort was put in during the first, to teach the bots that a reverse pomo day is an UP day.

complete joke - the ONLY bullish argument is one of printing and monetary debasement.

I have now finished building my ftse short. Probably too early!

I am hopping for a dose of reality soon - not going to hold my breath though. I can afford to be patient, time to turn the screen off and build some new coops for my poultry!

 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:31 | 1766183 lolmao500
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Good for Greece. Screw Europe.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:33 | 1766188 slewie the pi-rat
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people want the same things world-wide:

  • no taxes
  • mo money
  • fuking doom, BiCheZ!

 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:02 | 1766310 boom goes the d...
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Faster Horses, Yuonger Women, Older Wiskey, More Money!

Tom T. Hall

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:31 | 1766193 Lord Welligton
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It's beginning to look like a race to me.

Can Sarkozy get the Germans to bail out his banks via the EFSF before Greece falls into complete social chaos.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:56 | 1766284 GeneMarchbanks
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Seeing as how the market doesn't price anything in actuality anymore, social chaos does not equal a market plunge. You don't have to worry just buy.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:34 | 1766201 daily bread
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Greece is paving the way.  (Is that a pun?)  The other "periphery" countries now will see how to (A) continue collecting troika fiat without (B) implementing any kind of austerity.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:37 | 1766212 Archimedes
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Does not matter. They will continue to receive Tranche monies from the ECB printing Press...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:39 | 1766218 PaperBugsBurn
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gonna keep posting this for all you Matrix babies who think youre not facing pure evil

The next incident is the ethnic cleansing carried out in the US during the 1920s which the US supreme court approved (in a rigged case):
Carrie Buck v. James Hendren Bell, Superintendent of State Colony
for Epileptics and Feeble Minded
Citations 274 U.S. 200 (more)
47 S. Ct. 584; 71 L. Ed. 1000
The ruling was written by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. In
support of his argument that the interest of the states in a "pure"
gene pool outweighed the interest of individuals in their bodily
integrity, he argued: We have seen more than once that the
public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It
would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap
the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not
felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being
swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if
instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to
let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who
are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that
sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting
the Fallopian tubes.
Holmes concluded his argument with the infamous phrase "Three
generations of imbeciles are enough".
They were unable to carry out the thorough, documented process for lack of database technology. Prescott Bush, Carnegie, Rockefeller foundations were all behind this.
Edwin Black, jewish researcher of the German ethnic cleansing in the 1940s, found their older history when he found the IBM Nazi connection. IBM's database technology was what allowed the Germans to ethnic cleanse you, your sister, brother, cousins etc. That is why the earlier one failed. He wrote a couple of books including Nazi Nexus and War on the Weak. Here's a chat about War on the Weak:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9014940408212321489#
This man also states that there was a connection between the Rockefeller foundation and Mengele's overseer. It's in one of his chats. See, it wasn't just a business connection between Thyssen and Bush; it was part of a much larger ethos and yes, conspiracy.
They were also behind a coup attempt in 1933:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXGUgFXoRu4&feature=share
During the 1950s Prescott Bush ran for the US senate and lost when a last minute rumor linking him with the old Birth Control League (yes, you heard correctly: the BIRTH CONTROL LEAGUE which is shy George HW Bush was called "rubbers" as in condoms when he was in Congress in the sixties pushing this:
Congressional record in the
1960's:
Population Task Force
Among Bush's most important contributions to the neo-Malthusian cause while
in Congress was his role in the Republican Task Force on Earth Resources
and Population. The task force, which Bush helped found and then chaired,
churned out a steady stream of propaganda claiming that the world was
already seriously overpopulated; that there was a fixed limit to natural
resources and that this limit was rapidly being reached; and that the
environment and natural species were being sacrificed to human progress.
Bush's task force sought to accredit the idea that the human race was being
"down bred," or reduced in genetic qualities by the population growth among
blacks and other non-white and hence allegedly inferior races at a time
when the Anglo-Saxons were hardly able to prevent their numbers from
shrinking.
Comprised of over 20 Republican Congressmen, Bush's Task Force was a kind
of Malthusian vanguard organization which heard testimony from assorted
"race scientists," sponsored legislation and otherwise propagandized the
zero-growth outlook. In its 50-odd hearings during these years, the task
force provided a public forum to nearly every well-known zero-growth
fanatic, from Paul Ehrlich, founder of Zero Population Growth (ZPG), to
race scientist William Shockley, to the key zero-growth advocates infesting
the federal bureaucracy.
Giving a prestigious congressional platform to a discredited racist
charlatan like William Shockley in the year after the assassination of Dr.
Martin Luther King, points up the arrogance of Bush's commitment to
eugenics. Shockley, like his co-thinker Arthur Jensen, had caused a furor
during the 1960s by advancing his thesis, already repeatedly disproven,
that blacks were genetically inferior to whites in cognitive faculties and
intelligence. In the same year in which Bush invited him to appear before
the GOP task force, Shockley had written: "Our nobly intended welfare
programs may be encouraging dysgenics -- retrogressive evolution through
disproportionate reproduction of the genetically disadvantaged.... We fear
that 'fatuous beliefs' in the power of welfare money, unaided by eugenic
foresight, may contribute to a decline of human quality for all segments of
society."
During hearings on the Social Security amendments, Bush and witness
Alan Guttmacher had the following colloquy: Bush: Is there any
[opposition to Planned Parenthood] from any other organizations or
groups, civil rights groups?
Guttmacher: We do have problems. We are in a sensitive area in
regard particularly to the Negro. There are some elements in the
Negro group that feel we are trying to keep down the numbers. We are
very sensitive to this. We have a community relations department
headed by a most capable Negro social worker to try to handle that
part of the problem. This does, of course, cause us a good bit of
concern.
Bush: I appreciate that. For the record, I would like to say I am
1,000 percent in accord with the goals of your organization. I
think perhaps more than any other type of organization you can do
more in the field of poverty and mental health and everything else
than any other group that I can think of. I commend you.
This is an excerpt of Bush's unauthorized biography:
http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/
They killed Martin Luther King as his family's wrongful death civil suit against the CIA et al jury said in the late nineties. No MSM covered it. They also killed Malcolm X, JFK and a lot of other people. A credible JFK investigation : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srstQVfVNEM
List of people they've murdered (google their names and their stories will come up):
Congressmen Larry McDonald, Sonny Bono and Larkin
USMC Colonel Sabow
Pulitzer Prize winner Gary Webb
Journalist Danny Casolaro
Ex-mil intel Steve Kangas who wrote the great "Origins of the Overclass" : http://www.scribd.com/full/23098198?access_key=key-gfuw42onruwfrrhw413
US Special Forces Colonels Edward P Cutolo, Baker, and one other whose name escapes me (all in the same incident).
Here's International Committee of the Red Cross investigator David Guyyat on this incident and background info:
http://www.scribd.com/full/23098845?access_key=key-1zc7ubdmfbsl0rixgkfp
As you can see, they are the real drug cartels and here's a good recap of what is known about their activities:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nWXlWTiC5Y
Here's where he first came to light when opposing CIA director Deutch ( a Bush stooge) in a LA townhall after Iran Contra came to light (Ricky Ross is an interesting figure in this case)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk
Dois Gene "Chip" Tatum who wrote the Tatum Chronicles (very interesting) and whose testimony you can find on YouTube in an interview with 30 year FBI veteran Ted Gunderson (the ones on the beach have more info):
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=ta...
This man's testimony confirms the accusations: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=be....
Anyways, a good recap in written form of the decades long CIA drug trafficking is Rodney Stich's Drugging America: A Trojan Horse:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22578561/Drugging-America-A-Trojan-Horse-2nd-ed
So, the old Birth Control league became Family Planning after WWII when eugenics became taboo. Margaret Sanger was their shill. I and many others believe the "war on drugs is really their new ethnic cleansing technique:
The "war on drugs" results:
http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=visit&lid=152
How it is done:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmgeCeGk--I
The overall picture:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=th...
Keep in mind George HW Bush's intent while in Congress (see above) for this man above any other is the architect of the modern day "war on drugs" (as opposed to Prohibition which was also their little fascist games). Yet, if you can believe it, he founded the Medellin Cartel with Jorge Luis Ochoa and Pablo Escobar.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22allen+rudd%22+%22pablo+escobar%22+bush...
Most of the results are on target.
Ok so now you have some idea of who these people are, where they come from and how they literally get away with genocide. The why is because it's class warfare and lust for empire. The 1960s Great Society "war on poverty" made them rebel following Ayn Rand's (a Rothschild concubine) Atlas Shrugged ethos which also fits with their offshoring (gutting) of the US economy.
Most of the people mentioned on here have YouTube vids and plenty of documentation. Just google them.
Anyways, if you google all these names and situations, read patiently for weeks, you'll get the full picture. Oh, here's another good documentary on the Bushes:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22russ+baker%22+bush+secrets&ie=utf-8&oe...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:01 | 1766304 weinerdog43
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I'm giving you a junk for legibility.  Summarize and post a link.  If it is worthwhile, we'll read it.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:11 | 1766334 Cpl Hicks
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Sonny Bono?

btw- whatever conspiracy you subscribe to has clearly lost. Exhibit A- check the current occupant of the Oval Office.

 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:18 | 1766357 LFMayor
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So how did your grandma manage to duck the system?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:39 | 1766222 Lord Welligton
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The GENOP union, which represents workers at Public Power Corp SA, has blocked access to the building where company bills are issued in Athens

Will the governmrnt now stop paying the power workers?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:40 | 1766223 aleph0
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Good on'em (the people) I say.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:41 | 1766228 Journeyman
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Imagine the reaction of Turkish transplants to Germany.  They would be amused if they weren't holding the dirty end of the stick.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:45 | 1766241 Belarus
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What is even more amazing is that it's at least two weeks away before anyone will know what the plan of a plan to make plans will even unveil--if anything. Yet capital markets are behaving as though the world over is fixed and we're back to some global growth story. With NYSE short interest declining prepepitously, with the 1220 resistence now already fast approraching, and Europe just a couple weeks away from exploding unless Europe unites to print money + agree to just whom benefits from this printed money first, second, third, and so on, and can put the brakes on an economy going into free-fall, with Greece citizens, German Citizens, Slovak Citizens, etc. all sitting in completely different idealism camps, then fuck it.....it's almost time to go massively short, because the risk to reward is starting to make it worth it IMO.

Plus, who isn't skeptical of these market sticksaves? The market broke through support JUST ONE WEKK AGO Monday, competely tanked right fucking through it at 1120 all the way down to 1080, and then proceeded to literally turn on a dime for no reason at all--this before even Merkozy statement while Banks were imploding in EZ--and have since shredded higher nearly every single day. This tell me one thing: we're close to crashing. With short interest way way down, it may very well happen.....like NOW.

 

 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:59 | 1766292 jdelano
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now we're on the same page 'rus.  I'm adding to puts again at 1220.  This is the trading range game.  Ain't gonna shake me less they can drive it up past 1260.  Even then-wouldn't let go, would just stop adding.  Next crash, I'm cashing out, done for the year.  

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:04 | 1766318 Belarus
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we've been on the same page; just opposing viewpoints at times how the collapse will proceed. 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:03 | 1766312 TradingJoe
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Yep! Me Think So Too! Picked up today lots of puts! Will be lots of FUN!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:30 | 1766392 Smiddywesson
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This tell me one thing: we're close to crashing. With short interest way way down, it may very well happen.....like NOW.

Yes.  Wider and more violent swings occur just before the cart overturns.  The rumor game gets ever more desperate too, along with false flags.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:47 | 1766255 doggis
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..............AAAAAAAAAAND the euro climbs higher!!!........ civil war will pop the euro/usd above 1.60 one would think....

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:49 | 1766262 Fuh Querada
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The public power corp was one of the state "assets" originally proposed for sale in order to raise funds to reduce the deficit. There were no takers due the the well-known fact that the workers are the most miliantly unionized in Greece.

In this case: more power to them, I say.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:51 | 1766270 nah
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if they dont pay taxes what kind of future are they going to leave their kids

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:17 | 1766354 Arius
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perhaps the cash instead of the tax receipt ....

if you have any further question please feel free to ask TIMMY ...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 15:56 | 1766945 Things that go bump
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I imagine that they are doing this for their children as much as for themselves.  Why would they want to leave this mess to their children?  Once you've paid the Danegeld, you'll never be rid of the Dane.    

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:51 | 1766271 youngman
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Yes Greece is winning here I think....no change...free money..another pun kind of

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:51 | 1766272 Catullus
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Not working as a form of tax revolt? Can't raise money by stealing, people won't work, cant borrow money.... Yep. Just leaves in inflation.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:59 | 1766291 CrazyCooter
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What does "2 handle" mean in this context ... ?

Regards,

Cooter

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 21:04 | 1767996 LongOfTooth
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I'd like to know too.

 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:04 | 1766317 Dingleberry
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Two quotes come to mind:

"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose"

"When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it"

Looks like the Greeks have taken a page out of Ghandi's book. Passive resistance (on a massive scale) is more powerful than a tsunami.  BRING THE MOTHER FUCKER DOWN!!!!  If the Titanic is gonna sink, then EVERYBODY GOES DOWN this time, including the rich and not just the poor fuckers down below.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:04 | 1766321 cosmictrainwreck
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BULLISH!! You posted at 12:14, Tyler, then the Dow immediately blasts off. you gotta luv this shit....

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:12 | 1766339 Bob
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What's a bankster, er, investor to do?

Hi, you're gonna call off your rigorous investigation. You're gonna publicly state that there is no underground terrorist group, or, these guys are gonna take your balls. Their gonna send one to the LA Times, one to the New York Times, press release style. Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on: we cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances, we guard you while you sleep. Do not fuck with us.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:33 | 1766402 Poetic injustice
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Greeks say they want more free money and money they will get.
Sigh, EU sometimes is so toothless.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:34 | 1766407 greenfire
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Greece = AIG 

Nothing more than a conduit to channel Eurozone taxpayer money to banks that made bad bets.  The difference is that AIG was a willing host - just another parasite.  Methinks worldwide the hosts are recognizing the attached vampire squid, and are preparing to pluck them out.  Remember to get the tick head out along with the tick, otherwise it might get infected.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:37 | 1766414 eurogold
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It's downright funny to watch this not even "first world country" sink itself back to third world status.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:51 | 1766444 Fix It Again Timmy
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A financial enema - it does a country good...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 14:53 | 1766685 Scalaris
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Wow, that was completely unexpected.

Because I thought that the collective and perpetual financial raping of the Greek middle class into total obliteration, by their treasonous Government and their banking Euro-leaders, wasn't as bad as to not at least last until Christmas, since they still haven't taxed their right to urinate.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 14:54 | 1766692 pcrs
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I read the US gvt offered the Greek oppression 400 tanks, but it did not go through because of transportation costs. 400 tanks would be hard to deal with by the tax slaves.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:14 | 1766999 Atomizer
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