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Kiss Tax Revenues Goodbye - Greek Civil Insubordination Takes On A Surreal Twist

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Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:17 | 1766101 agent default
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Resistance bitchez!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:24 | 1766145 Thomas
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"Greece should default and default big."

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:17 | 1766355 redpill
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Nothing exceeds like excess!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:32 | 1767044 UBIGDummy
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Cuz were FAZZED UP

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:29 | 1766157 Dr. Richard Head
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Perhaps massive tax insubordination is the only thing the US government will listen to.  Tea Party and OWS are great starts, but all of those people could stop paying their ponzi world tax and change would come swiftly.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:35 | 1766206 Mountainview
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Merkosy, can you see us ???

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 14:10 | 1766523 MachoMan
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I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the OWS protesters probably aren't the same folks as J6P, nose to the grindstone taxpayer...  In other words, a tax revolt by OWS is no different than what they're currently doing, i.e. not paying taxes.  If you're getting your titties painted on the world stage, you probably don't have a job nor any prospects for one...  (unless it involves titty painting).

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:39 | 1766214 Bicycle Repairman
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I don't know how many more ways the Greeks can say this, but unless the Euros have more money for the Greeks, the Euros can take a hike.  Every  Greek from the bottom to the top agree: we're are not paying.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:46 | 1766243 Dr. Richard Head
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If Dexia, whose "assets" rival the entire valuation of the Greek economy can be bailed out by the Federal Reserve and survive.......scratch that. 

Thanks Max Keiser and Tyler Durden.  My heros.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:47 | 1766258 gojam
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Spot on!

Talk about ignoring the Elephant in the room.

Jeez, the Eurozone seem obstinately blind to reality.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:47 | 1766435 john39
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its a delay game...  but delay for what?  stay tuned...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 15:05 | 1766746 Western
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Wed, 10/12/2011 - 15:13 | 1766780 gojam
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Will they be invisible Gold eating Aliens which only our governments can save us from?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:15 | 1766301 lynnybee
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Perhaps massive tax insubordination is the only thing the US government will listen to.        .... go for it !   i got nothing to lose anyway !    old, broke, & am giving what i have away already to the younger people, maybe they will benefit.  an oversized government & parasitic banking industry.      

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:48 | 1766439 john39
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i need to revisit this subject, but according to my tax guy, it is not a crime to not pay taxes... you get into real trouble when you don't file your return.  big difference.   sure you get fined out the a!@, but you won't go to jail (well maybe depending on what they can prove as to your intent).  tax lawyer in the house?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:11 | 1766337 aerojet
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It is insane how much of each paycheck I forfeit to the Matrix.  It is not possible to really get ahead in the US by being a workaday zhlub.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:12 | 1766340 GottaBKiddn
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This Greek example, one of many, is proof that head-banging in the streets is the most ineffective way to change government policy.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:41 | 1766202 Black Forest
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42 percent of Germans who have a household net income of 4000 € and more are prepared [willing] to pay more taxes. Similarly high (43 percent) is the percentage in the income class 3000-4000 € net per month. Even some 33% of people who earn less than 3000 € net per month would pay more.

Fine for the Greeks. No need to buy ink there. Germans are proud to pay.



Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:44 | 1766238 Fuh Querada
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a plant

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:03 | 1766314 Putty
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I don't see a majority, only a minority of sheep.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:59 | 1766477 shaxmatist
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"That's right: one needs actual physical presence in Greece"


Roll the Panzers, Hans, last station is Athens!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:17 | 1766102 DormRoom
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The Monetary Union has worked out so well for Greece.  It's basically a failed state.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:30 | 1766176 Divided States ...
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Total bizarro world again. Just dont get it but isnt a strong EUR gonna make the situation even worse for them Greeks??

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:34 | 1766204 Lord Welligton
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Doesn't really make that much difference.

Their tourism and agriculture is pretty much all traded in Euros.

So strong or weak has no real effect.

Fact is they should never have joined and should get out before they lose everything.


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:56 | 1766285 hedgeless_horseman
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...and should get out before they lose everything.

Too late.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:01 | 1766305 Lord Welligton
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You could be right.

But if that is the case then they have nothing to lose.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:24 | 1766370 redpill
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Then they are truly free.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:18 | 1766106 CClarity
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OTIRS - Occupy the IRS is coming to America?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:22 | 1766134 agent default
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I for one would not be surprised at all.  Not just the US though.  Enough is enough worldwide I think.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:23 | 1766136 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Aren't income taxes actually illegal in the U.S., because it's a disproportionate tax? Well...? Have they really got a whole country of sheep paying a huge unlawful tax?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:27 | 1766158 jcaz
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Yeah, ask Wesley Snipes how that works....

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:31 | 1766175 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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... or, similarly, Bradley Manning about being detained in a the land of the free, home of the brave... the best democracy in the world, etc.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:55 | 1766282 nonclaim
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When you have to pay taxes to milk *your own* cow you have reached true freedom.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:37 | 1766416 Dr. Acula
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Or ask Irwin Schiff (Peter's dad)


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:47 | 1766250 GeneH3
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The Federal income tax was unconstitutional as a disproportionate tax until the 16th Amendent changed the constitutional.

The discussion is unnecessary.  Paying taxes is voluntary, or so insists Harry Reid. http://thematrixnot.blogspot.com/2009/03/paying-taxes-is-voluntary.html

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:51 | 1766447 JB
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and Harry Reid is correct. your W4 is an APPLICATION, which means you voluntarily enter into contract with the IRS. no contract is valid if it is entered into under duress or if one party is compelled to enter; therefore, the contract MUST be voluntary by Law.


of course, almost no one actually knows this fact. given the fact that Harry Reid KNOWS it is voluntary, what do you want to bet he doesn't pay federal income tax?


want to know more? 1215.org is your best friend.

http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/sovereignty/errant-sovereign-handbook.pdf explains exactly how to go about regaining your sovereignty.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:50 | 1766256 theman
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Classic economics distinguishes between wages and income, and regarded taxes on wages as tantamount to serfdom.


An awesome story is that of Irwin Schiff, Peter Schiff's dad, who wrote the Federal Mafia.


Good Call, Funky


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:34 | 1766406 Raynja
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Corporations do not pay taxes until they have realized a profit, likewise for investors. Why should I pay taxes on my invested labor until my pay exceeds the average pay of someone with similar education and experience, thus showing I made a profit on how I spent my time.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 14:14 | 1766535 MachoMan
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No.  Ask yourself why everyone gets taxed on particular ranges the same...  hence brackets.  legal sophistry, i agree, but all of it is...  so...

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:25 | 1766148 ParkAveFlasher
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OTIRS - Occupy the IRS is coming to America?

Now THAT would be something.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:04 | 1766319 lynnybee
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OTIRS - Occupy the IRS is coming to America?    ..... go for it !!!!   fraudulent I.R.S. ........ show me the law !! there is no law saying that we have to pay income tax;  cancerous government & parasitic banking system deliberately draining what little wealth the average citizen has left !    just wait til people sell a  home  in the year 2013 & get hit with a government "fee" of 3.8% of the sale price has to be paid to the U.S. GOVERNMENT on the sale of their property !!!     PARASITES.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 13:13 | 1766342 aerojet
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I would like to see at least one Federal Reserve bank alight.  Shit, did I just post that on a public message forum?  Well, fuck 'em.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:19 | 1766112 Subprime JD
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that is awesome.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:19 | 1766115 Jim in MN
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Greece ain't payin', but the ECB goose keeps layin'.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:43 | 1766233 kaiserhoff
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At the first level, this is a protest against responsibility by the Greeks, the kleptocrats, and the Jewish bankers.  What, me grow up?  Why?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 14:22 | 1766575 MachoMan
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Yep.  Waiting on everyone to start throwing molotov cocktails at themselves to protect future generations and the greek way of life...  and autonomy.  I'm not holding my breath.  Although, I guess technically, bumming off everyone IS the greek way of life at this point...  so scratch that one.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:19 | 1766119 jdelano
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I fucking hate the MSM for supressing this.  Just sayin.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:25 | 1766139 Subprime JD
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The MSM is not your friend. They do not work for you but for the fortune 400. They serve corporations, revenue sources and the powers that be. Their intention is to keep you in the dark, misinformed, trusting of the government. Thank God for the internet thats all I can say.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 15:35 | 1766876 Tao 4 the Show
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Check out the Telecommunications Act- passed under Reagen, I think. broke down the rules barring excessive and vertical ownership of the media in the U.S. Anyway, around 30 years ago, media ownership suddenly concentrated in the hands of a few large corporations. Prior to that it was owned by lots of small guys and there was a chance for the truth to come out. After that, all the wisdom of the past including anti trust etc was ignored.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:25 | 1766150 ReallySparky
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They don't want to give the sheep any idea's.  Last night I was out and ran into some younger folks.  I was chatting with them and asked what they thought about the OWS protests.  They had not clue it was even going on, or what it was supposedly about.  They also had no clue about Greece, Arab spring, blah, blah, blah.  These are college educated kids that are my sons age.

This says a lot about our public eduction system.  I gotta move to another planet, were there is some reality and like minded people.

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