• Tim Knight from...
    04/28/2016 - 00:27
    I was expecting a few boring candidate statements of the U.S. Senate - AKA the World's Most Exclusive Club - but, boy, was I wrong. Just take a look at some of these gems.
  • Tim Knight from...
    04/28/2016 - 00:27
    I was expecting a few boring candidate statements of the U.S. Senate - AKA the World's Most Exclusive Club - but, boy, was I wrong. Just take a look at some of these gems.

Knight Considering Bankruptcy, Looking At 363 Asset Sale

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This may be it. Via Fox News:

  • VIRTU OUT OF BIDDING FOR KNIGHT CAPITAL
  • KNIGHT’S JOYCE CONSIDERING BANKRUPTCY REORGANIZATION
  • KNIGHT LOOKING AT ‘363’ REORGANIZATION TO SELL ASSETS
  • KNIGHT LOOKING TO EMERGE AS VIABLE COMPANY

363 Asset sale? This is what we said earlier when we reported on the rumors of a sale to Virtu: "Will it happen? Maybe. Although we doubt it - why pay for equity value when one can pick up the functioning assets in a Chapter 363 asset sale which also sticks the creditors with all the crappy assets?" Sure enough. Sadly, what this means for the company 1,500 employees is that about 80% them will be out of a job due to an algo gone wild. And to then we have been warning about the impact of HFT for the past 3 years.

Perhaps now that people's livelihoods are about to destroyed even the porn-addicts at the SEC will finally take this matter seriously.

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Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:25 | 2673845 Dr Benway
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I'm supposed to feel sorry for the people who worked at Knight? Reaaaally?

 

The bigger problem is the billions places like these have stolen over the years.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:29 | 2673878 JLee2027
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No more multi-million dollar Christmas bonus? No more drinking champagne toasts from a balconey while laughing at the Occupy protestors? What is the world coming to?

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:34 | 2673905 bdc63
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They waited until after the market close to report this? .... huh ... wonder why they did that ....  ;)

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:51 | 2673978 spastic_colon
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surely you are aware that the large banks are behind this also, eventually they will control the algo trading as well, partly by "attritioning" the smaller players.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:52 | 2673985 SWRichmond
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Can't they just do some repo 105's?

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 17:23 | 2674060 hedgeless_horseman
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At BanKnightofAmeriCountryWideMerriLynch we offer a broad portfolio of campaign finance solutions...

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 17:24 | 2674064 AldousHuxley
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Nothing like seeing money changers go bk.....have a good weekend everyone

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 19:01 | 2674285 Bananamerican
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i heard KFC is hiring....the Bollinger's on me.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 21:02 | 2674523 AldousHuxley
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fried chicken is depression proof business world wide.

 

Colonel Cluck was a freaking genius.

 

they can fry it and serve it to you cheaper than you what raw chicken costs at the market.

 

 

KFC first fast food in China. even communists can't resist.

On last supper, Jesus had fried chicken.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 20:30 | 2674467 Normalcy Bias
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...and Knight likely laments that 'if only liabilities were as easy to vaporize as assets, nowadays'...

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 17:04 | 2674014 cougar_w
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HFT is the only game they got left.

Sucks to be them, because they'll have to take money from each other now.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 19:28 | 2674350 DaddyO
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Where is dic_in_the_box telling us how much money he made off Knight yesterday?

DaddyO

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 00:55 | 2674915 Freddie
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Most individual investors have quit the rigged casino of Wall Street/3 card Monti as in Mario Monti.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 19:11 | 2674293 Bananamerican
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"surely you are aware that the large banks are behind this also, eventually they will control the algo trading as well, partly by "attritioning" the smaller players"

"suppose they threw a market..........and nobody came" ?

In a way, I enjoy this more than if the SEC or CFTC had been caught actually doing their (assumed) jobs.

I like the idea of these S.O.B.s taking themselves down in the age old ways of the worst of the human race...

through arrogance, hubris, short-sightedness and GREED

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:56 | 2673994 max2205
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Whores and hookers seeing revenue desimated

Price of pussy going down. So to speak

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:59 | 2674001 AldousHuxley
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Is there a place where all of this financial shenanigans are being recorded?

 

AIG

Lehman repo 105

fannie mae/freedie mac nationalization

bank bailouts

Madoff ponzi

Sanford ponzi

Facebook IPO
BATS IPO
Flash Crashes

MF Global missing customer cash

Barclay, bank of england led Libor fixing

Knight Capital

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 17:03 | 2674011 MsCreant
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PFG<>Best

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 17:20 | 2674055 fuu
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ZH?

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 20:32 | 2674471 veyron
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R. Allen Stanford

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 00:16 | 2674871 JohnKozac
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"Investors hold $375 million of Knight convertible notes and can demand repayment if there’s a “fundamental change,” including a sale, according to a 10-K filing. The biggest owners of the notes are Goldman Sachs, Oaktree Capital Management, Invesco Ltd. and Citadel Advisors LLC, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The bonds lost 16.125 cents to 67 cents on the dollar, sending the yield up to 20 percent."

 

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-02/knight-said-to-open-books-to-su...

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:35 | 2673908 Dr. Richard Head
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Hopefully some sort of equilibrium where true labor is valued accordingly and fictional fractional rehypothicated horseshit reverts to the true mean.

Push on my aggregrate demand string bankster bitchez.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:46 | 2673960 MachoMan
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I guess we should start worshipping the machines then if labor is valued accordingly...

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:49 | 2673973 Dr. Richard Head
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All hail the co-located NYSE servers.  All hail the algos.  All hail Benny's Printing Press.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 18:24 | 2674204 PMakoi
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All Halle Berry!

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:35 | 2673914 Buckaroo Banzai
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Speaking of bankrupt, so is the story we're being fed about the Aurora shooting:

http://americankabuki.blogspot.com/2012/07/these-arent-same-man.html

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 19:37 | 2674367 JLee2027
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Well he was arrested in Occupy San Diego right? Then they should have fingerprints. Sorry, but I think it's the same guy from the photos anyway.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 19:52 | 2674399 Totentänzerlied
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I thought the same thing when I saw the pics a week ago. Oh well.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:46 | 2673963 YuropeanImbecille
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This is good for us westerners who work in IT. The latest software that caused this debacle was operated by Indian 'experts' that took over the code base.

So kcg saved a couple of hundred grand on replacing western coders with Indian 'experts' and this cost them the company :)

I do not understand how this expert system could invert the decisions, there could be an super easy explanation for this... And if any of you Indians read this please tell me if it was a back chaining check that took frame command?

Or did you invert a variable ?

Thanks

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 17:06 | 2674018 AldousHuxley
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H1B is not just for IT anymore and those indians have been in US for a decade now, so they got greencards. and that's when they get laid off.

It looks like they stopped hiring even H1Bs starting 2008.

However, the salaries aren't too bad.

 

Director, Quantitative Trading              $160,000    2007-05-08
VICE PRESIDENT, QUANTITATIVE STRATEGIST     $150,000    2008-01-17
VICE PRESIDENT, PROGRAMMER/ANALYST         $140,000    2009-12-10
ASSISTANT VICE PRESIDENT, QUANTITATIVE ANALYST     $140,000    2008-09-26
Manager, Software Research and Development     $150,000    2007-06-26

 

 

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 17:19 | 2674051 YuropeanImbecille
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I am sorry but those salaries are shit! A admin dude at a bank gets 125.000... For a real expert in expert systems you get a consultant that will take home at least 1,000,000 for a 6-9 month project.

I did 250,000 a year in my youth as a AVP... Caring for trading infrastructure.

If you read this and work for less than 200k in an trading environment you are a idiot and a fool!

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 17:34 | 2674095 AldousHuxley
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figures dont' include bonus

 

1099s get market rate which is typically x2~3 salary to cover bennies and taxes and sales (self employment TAX for being too good to work for corp)

 

well if you are a programmer in a trading environment, what can I say..... traders get the big pay in trading environment.

 

That's why Aleynikov was paid $400K per year by Goldman Sachs and still wanted out. (offered 1.2M)

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 17:46 | 2674123 YuropeanImbecille
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Well Aleynikov is a guy who is a real expert. Don't know him and have never met him.. But 400k for the work he did is ridiculous (and he realized that after some time) maybe he did not believe it could be done... I do not know.

I would have asked for 36,000,000 a year if I had the skills and opportunities he had.

But you are right the traders make the big money, and that is fine considering their faily short careers. But it is important to realize the value of your own work whatever you do. And if you build a kick ass expert system that outperforms others you do not settle for crumbs.

For the next gen systems coming online the price tag is closer to a quarter billion, therefore if you are great do not settle for less than millions.

Two systems are never identical, ask altavista or bing after google showed how it is done.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 17:38 | 2674109 LongBalls
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Those employees were never working anyway. Digging a ditch is working. They were dusting off their monitors to look at the pretty colors.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:51 | 2673981 tj3
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Fuck Knight Trading. They have frontrun my orders so many times, it ain't even funny.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 17:31 | 2674086 Larry Dallas
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Should be an interesting scene in the Hamptons this weekend. Especially after the pink slips are given tomorrow afternoon.

Not saying the specialist model didn't have its flaws that are natural with greed and front running being one of them, but you never saw anyone of them blow up as spectacularly as this has.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 19:20 | 2674335 banksterhater
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They're not employees, they are PARASITES! Fumigate them.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 23:06 | 2674776 jonjon831983
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Bah, hope you don't direct that to those lower level office people like janitors and secretaries who get less than the scraps.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:26 | 2673852 AldousHuxley
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KCG

 
-4.36 (-62.82%)

After Hours: 2.17 -0.41 (-15.89%)

 

one short trader is getting lucky tonight!

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:28 | 2673870 mayhem_korner
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By "one short trader", do you mean (i) not you, (ii) an insider, or both?

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:34 | 2673907 AldousHuxley
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Short Interest (Shares Short): 6,784,200 Not one, but seems to be many % Owned by Insiders: 1.92% not many insiders either Stifel Nicolaus analyst who gave
Buy rating at $16
Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:31 | 2673886 JLee2027
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Where is that guy who claimed he bought 100K shares at 2.33 earlier today? 

I'll bet he's crapping his pants now.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:40 | 2673924 Dr. Richard Head
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Correction, it's called Making a Morgan.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 16:45 | 2673958 AldousHuxley
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short covering is a buy

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 18:12 | 2674176 sessinpo
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And Slaughterer @ $2.30

2673536

"We bought 100,000 shares of KCG at $2.30."

 

 

 

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 01:01 | 2674924 Freddie
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The Tyler's need to post the biggest holders of this dogshit stock.  My guess is Whitney Tilson or whatever his name is owns it.  Probably many hedge fund schmucks too. 

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 19:47 | 2674392 Haager
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Did someone notice that the stockprice already went south the day of the glitch, hours before that glitch occured?

Someone became rich by suicide-attack?

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 20:12 | 2674429 T-Silver
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Where is JPM in all of this?

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 22:52 | 2674757 Buck Johnson
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Got to wonder if those segregated accounts at Knight are fully funded.

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