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Kyle Bass Explains The New World Order - Panel Presentation

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Unlike the broad consensus of prognosticators who feel the road for the US is a decade or more, Bass sees a three-to-five year window for a credible solution to the debt saturation or else kicking the can will cease to have any impact. The reason for the proximity is the acceleration of what happens in Europe and Japan with that respective chronology his central view - which he sees a s critical in understanding for every money manager.

In this extended interview at AmeriCatalyst, he points to the optimistic self-deception biases that leave people unable to comprehend the scenarios as they either lead to a really bad outcome or a nominally bad outcome. Using the Lehman moment as an example, Bass explains how we have been conditioned to believe there is always a backstop or those backstops at a corporate and sovereign level (central banks and the IMF for example) are being called into question in their roles (being seen for what they are - as just promises) and it is the chasm between what we want to believe and what does happen that is enormous and leaves the extreme volatility, risk-on/risk-off market the way it is.

Reiterating how critical the psychology of today's situation, Bass goes on to debunk the optimism of globalization (at least for the Western world), destroy the myth of a 50% greek writedown solution, Japanese xenophobia and savings losses, structural versus cyclical implications for US equity deterioration, US deficits and housing's bottom, global debt saturation and how this tearing at the social fabric of the world will lead to - war.

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This extended interview includes some of the following views (among many others):

On Greece:

For those who think a 50% write-down on debt will fix Greece, you have lost your mind. It is only a full wipe-out of the non-TROIKA-owned debt that is the only mathematical way for Greece to have any chance.

On the IMF and its role as global savior

He discusses in some detail Keynes and the IMF formation and the new world order he foresees as our era of the largest peacetime accumulation of global debt has no precedent (as it has historically ended in conflict or been created by conflict).

And how this debt saturation will inebitably play out:

Fundamentally, its about the social fabric of the world...what does this all mean? It means war.

And summarizing for every long-only talking head pitch-man:

This is not a cyclical rebound from a crisis we had two years and you should NOT be buying stocks because a P/E ratio is low relative to historical S&P behavior because the E is wrong. We are going to see declines and people don't know how to position themselves for declines. We are at peak earnings now! Earnings only look good because if you take all the bad assets and put them on the public balance sheet.

We need to delever globally. We haven't delevered. Just now we are seeing marginal delevering in Europe and all hell is breaking loose. An summing up:

Consensus is US low/slow GDP growth - no recession, US better than Europe, Europe mild recession, muddle through, go all in to Emerging markets as that's where the convexity is.


The consensus is never going to be right.


I don't get paid to be an optimist or a pessimist. I get paid to be a realist and the realist negative currently.


Don't believe these governments when they tell you everything is going to fine. The day before Mexico devalued by 60% they denied that they would ever devalue. They can and will never tell you the truth. Find your own numbers.

(h/t EnnuiHenry)


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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:48 | 1939829 eureka
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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:49 | 1939835 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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New World Order=Old World Order

End the Order

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:12 | 1939921 buyingsterling
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The 'Republican Jewish Coalition' has declined to invite Ron Paul to their nationally televised debate on Dec. 7th. Apparently, Paul is 'misguided' and'extreme'. More here:


You can email the RJC here:

And you can reach their ladies' group here:

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:22 | 1939959 MillionDollarBonus_
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Forget Ron Paul. If you are looking for a courageous leader during these tough times, in my opinion there are none as grossly underrated as President Herman Van Rompuy. While the European sovereign debt crisis has dominated the headlines, Pres. Van Rompuy has been a humble and modest advocate for progressive reforms to drive social change and consolidate core European values. Above all, Pres. Van Rompuy should be admired for his persistence and courage as a promoter of strong central governance in the face of ever rising right-wing ignorance. If Mr Rompuy ever considers moving to the US and running for congress, he has my vote any day.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:35 | 1940001 OttoMBMP
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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:49 | 1940048 WonderDawg
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Why does Van Rompuy always look like he just ate a cat turd?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:00 | 1940077 Dr. Richard Head
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Eating cat turds is the initiation to get into the global banking elite.

Thank you sir.  May I pleaes have another.


Could be Nigel just pisses Rompuy off.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:21 | 1940314 DaveyJones
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because he did

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 21:28 | 1940566 Ahmeexnal
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Global currency collapse has reached critical mass.

The slowmo trainwreck will turn into lightspeed supernova.

Digital/paper will become completely worthless.

Time to go long Somalian dollars!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 21:59 | 1940611 Oh regional Indian
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Slomalia? I thought Iraqi Dinars were the great currency to come?

But, regardless....war.

I think there is a binary moment, from which there is no going bak, that is coming up on us. This much structural tension can go only one way.



Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:42 | 1940997 The Big Ching-aso
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End the FED?    The FED's not listening.    Subliminally the FED's been telling us something all along.    We just didn't realize it.    Until now...........

FED spelled backwards is DEF.


Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:00 | 1941029 sgorem
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OR, F**ED!

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:31 | 1941057 marsdefIAnCe
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 04:14 | 1941154 asdasmos
Sat, 12/03/2011 - 05:19 | 1941173 Michael
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This looks rally scary. I could have written it myself, I mean the Kyle Bass piece.

Reminds me of this too;

Gold Just Went Over $2000, By Tonight That'll Cheap; Rollover-1981



Sat, 12/03/2011 - 05:31 | 1941186 Michael
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I think Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has changed. Looks to me like she's working on her legacy. Dare I say it, I like what I see so far. I may need psychiatric help.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 06:04 | 1941199 Michael
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True story;

I was in rehab a few years ago for alcohol detoxification and I had a 24 year old room mate who was an Iraqi war veteran.

He was diagnosed with Post-traumatic Stress Disorder after two tours of duty and receives $34,000 a year for his disability.

This guy looked like Mike Tyson, every lean 250 sculptured pounds of him, would do his push ups at various times of day, one Mississippi, two, Mississippi, Thirty Three Mississippi, you get the picture.

This guy is a laboratory experiment. A very highly tax payer paid laboratory experiment. They pump him full of psychotropic drugs on a daily basis. He kind of has a good time playing his role.

It just occurred to me, this is how you know you just can't make this shit up. Cause it really happens.

Face it, Our Country is Fucked.


Sat, 12/03/2011 - 06:35 | 1941205 Michael
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You know, I'm still waiting to see the 1080P Sony Handycam video of Osama Bin Laden's dead body before they dumped his carcass into the ocean.

Isn't modern technology wonderful?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 06:59 | 1941219 Michael
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Looks like Bill O'Reilly is trying to stir up a hornets nest for his own self gratification just in time for the Iowa caucuses.

 The age of cable news is over.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:12 | 1941479 YBNguy
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I posted this video and some basic info (citing youtube and ZH) trying to get people clued into some things Kyle says. However it fell on deaf ears as many probably did not want to watch the hour long vid or could not understand the big words and acronynoms lolol - its like, hit pause and google something if your confused...

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 02:31 | 1949998 ... crumbs
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Ya need one mo' *

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:40 | 1944858 Bad Lieutenant
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One thing: Bass either was dishonest about not knowing of any "white swan" event or he's keep it under his hat.   That white swan is the development of a practical, self-sustainable fusion reactor.  Bass is 100% right about it all that suff in the video and is a brillant man, but opening the floodgates on 'free' energy would be more than a gamechanger.  Sadly, this would also prevent the removal of the pigs and vampires currently infecting the system.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:18 | 1940147 Temporalist
Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:56 | 1940254 fonestar
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Van Rumpoy looks a lot like the Euro that stole Christmas

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 07:21 | 1941224 Pope Clement
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MDB you are the best ZH humorist du jour.

"Dont believe anything that government says, They all lie"

"Think for yourself schmuck"

(Captain Hagbard Celine of the yellow submarine)


Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:13 | 1941336 MrBinkeyWhat
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I miss Robert Anton Wilson. RIP

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 13:13 | 1941583 Poofter Priest
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He may return someday.

He had his head frozen.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:45 | 1940035 CPL
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That was funny.  What's with the hate?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:04 | 1940093 reboot this mofo
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Ron Paul is being set-up to be the next President, also another "controlled" TOTUS. He is being set-up nicely by the media, but most are missing it. Think of a Pendulum, you need to get to 9 o' you swing it back to 3 o'clock first. Also, Mr. MDB: it is clear you are a troll for the New World Order or a GS paid party pooper, because no normal and sane person could spew the fecal matter that expundges from your hole. Never the less, I love you posts!!!! ?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:34 | 1940194 Smiddywesson
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No, he and Robo are here to spice things up when the action slows.  MDB is just a sock puppet.  I'd say he IS Robo, but he's nowhere as clever so I think it's a different wizard behind the curtain.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 21:29 | 1940572 Teamtc321
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I have fun jacking with Robo, he never hammer's me like he could I'm sure, so must get a kick out of it also lol. 

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:15 | 1940626 saiybat
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Ron Paul has a great message and I agree with it. But I absolutely do not want that message to be associated with what's to come. If freedom and decentralization is blamed for the collapse that's coming then we are truly fucked. It doesn't matter who is president but they're going to take the blame for all of it and Ron Paul represents more than a person, he represents the idea of liberty. If Ron Paul is elected as president it's defcon 1; head for the hills world totalitarian state imminent. This will be no fault of Ron Paul's and is beyond anything he can control but he and the idea he represents will take all the flak. I'm only speculating so don't take me seriously but I know a lot of you will not like what I'm saying. Just remember this if he is elected then take appropriate measures to protect yourself instead of letting your guard down and you should be doing this anyway.

Obama 2012

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:41 | 1940666 WonderDawg
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I agree. The outcome is already guaranteed, pain no matter what, and so whoever is in office next term is likely to take the blame (unless shit blows up before the election, which is quite possible), especially if it's a regime change and then we hit the wall. We're going to hit the wall no matter what, so if Obama is re-elected, he'll take all the blame, which is fine by me, because he had a chance to change course, if fact promised to do so, but instead has upped the ante on the current course. So fuck him. Unfortunately, I see a scenario where things are bad enough before the election that he is replaced, and then the shit hits the fan and the next guy takes the brunt of the blame. Fine by me if it's a run of the mill Repub, they're no better than Obama, but if it's Ron Paul, Liberty itself will take it on the chin along with him.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:20 | 1940739 Joe Sixpack
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I tried to warn everyone.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:56 | 1940928 FEDbuster
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So if collapse leads to WW3 in the near future, wouldn't you want a nutcase like Newt to be commander in chief?  He would nuke the crap out of just about anyone, think Dr. Strangelove.

Ron Paul doesn't have enough crazy in him for WW3.  In the meantime, anyone know how deep of a bunker you need to protect from fallout?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:09 | 1940953 GFKjunior
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Deep enough to live in for  a few thousand years till the radiation is gone.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 07:33 | 1941231 Cap Matifou
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Actually, the worst part is over in 2-4 weeks.

"The majority of people requiring any sheltering at all will be many miles downwind, and they will not need to stay sheltered for weeks on end. In fact, most people will only need to stay sheltered full-time for 2-3 days before coming out to safely join the evacuation."


Sat, 12/03/2011 - 08:48 | 1941254 FEDbuster
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I could do a month in one of the local abandoned mines.  We could get fallout from LA, Vegas or Phoenix, depends on the winds.

China looks like they are gearing up for a fight, plus they need to trim the population, too.  Given that they will most likely play in the sandbox, maybe we won't have to bunker down here in the good ole USA?  Although the bi-centennial of the War of 1812 is coming up, so who knows?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:14 | 1940851 LongBallsShortBrains
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You had me until "Obama 2012"

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:53 | 1940924 Things that go bump
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If the coming collapse is bad enough it will result in freedom and decentralization, but we may not like it. 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:26 | 1941423 passwordis
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 Ron Paul is being "set up"? 

So what you are saying is the powers that be are employing a sort of brilliant reverse psychology offensive against us. Interesting!

The skewed polls, the lack of references to Paul in the media, the relatively tiny face-time he's given in debates. The media constantly parroting the phrase " Ron Paul is not a serious candidate, he can't win". All of this is designed to convince people that Ron Paul should be our next president.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:37 | 1941519 redpill
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Some people will see conspiracies no matter what.

The reality is the media suffers from normalcy bias the same as everyone else.  They feel comfortable with establishment politicians.  Ron Paul is scary to them.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 14:55 | 1941825 Paul E. Math
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I actually think it's a good thing that they're freezing Paul out of the debate.  How much time would they have given him anyway?  90 seconds?

I think Paul can get as much if not more mileage out of his exclusion than he ever would have from anything he would have said at the debate.

There is a huge and growing vote out there that is simply 'anti-establishment' and Paul's exclusion from the debates for his own party's candidacy, even while polling in the top 4, absolutely cements his status as the anti-establishment candidate.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 02:51 | 1950037 ... crumbs
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... wasn't he in that Bruno movie !

Oh no another hollywood has been

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:06 | 1941473 john39
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something to watch for sure.  The masses have been played so many times, only a fool would blindly reach out for what appears to be the solution to the current problems.  must make sure you are not being set up for the next stage.   just saying, keep an eye for what lies ahead.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:32 | 1940184 SheepleLOVEched...
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million dollar piece of shit.....

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:11 | 1940291 Sequitur
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Fucking Christ, Van Rompuy, the loser Nigel Farage calls a bank clerk?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:21 | 1940315 MillionDollarBonus_
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Loser? Van Rompuy is my hero. He does not submit to ignorant right-wing bullies like Nigel Farage. Instead he quietly focuses on the job he was appointed to do. This is the kind of leadership that is so lacking in the world today, and I'm not afraid to express my appreciation for his courageous work.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:32 | 1940474 kill switch
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Only the weak have hero's...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 15:40 | 1941997 smiler03
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Yeah, I call them Christians.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 21:44 | 1940589 Leraconteur
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 Instead he quietly focuses on the job he was appointed to do. 

So you want an appointed, unelected 'leader' to tell you what to do.

Got it.

1932, here we come. 

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 21:49 | 1940596 Freddie
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You sound like you voted for the Muslim in 2008.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:33 | 1940891's picture

I don't follow.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:49 | 1941084 Al Gorerhythm
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Hero worship, I think.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:22 | 1940743 Joe Sixpack
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"Instead he quietly focuses on the job he was appointed to do"

Is that to shaft all Europeans?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:28 | 1941053 Thomas.2012
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MillionDollarBaby, nice you said appointed to and not elected to ... lol

Hero? Quietly focus? You must be a family member ... lol

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:52 | 1940383 WhiteNight123129
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MDB´s priceless hilarious tongue in cheek BS... thanks for the 30 sec laughter

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:30 | 1940471 kill switch
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Don't you have another house to haunt? Right Wing////Left Wing////YOU JUST EXPOSED YOURSELF FUCK STICK..... sarc//on// off,,, i don't know

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:47 | 1940503 Jack Burton
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LOve your posts Million Dollar Bonus! Especially your glowing support for the "great leader" Van Rompuy. Never has Europe been more blessed than with this unelected leader of great repute. A man for our times, a leader blessed with the common touch and a man of the people.

Van Rompuy is the 21st century Napoleon, the 21st centry Otto Von Bismarck, the modern Abe Lincoln and Europe's George Washington rolled into one. A great man and a born leader of the Euro Zone! All hail the Dear Leader!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:43 | 1940672 WonderDawg
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Yes, all hail the Dear Lender!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:08 | 1940724 krispkritter
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All nail the Deer with a Fender! (where's that deer in the headlights pic when you need it?)

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:23 | 1940745 Joe Sixpack
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Adolf Linkö ln, bitchez!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:06 | 1940578 Everybodys All ...
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Here is the problem. If not for the EU and power whores like Van Rompuy Greece would have already been on it's way back to economic viability. They would have defaulted like Iceland and been on the way to recovery. However,because the powerful elite now composed inside the ECB and EU offices the Greek people continue to be left swaying in the winds of an unsustainable debt situation. Why would they do this to anyone? Because it's all about their power. I don't think this really is a description of a hero?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:49 | 1940796 infinity8
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Do you write comedy for a living?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:21 | 1940971 VyseLegendaire
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Thanks BDP, you manage to quite accurately capture the vaccuous doublespeak of all our favorite unelected Godeaucrats these days.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 03:48 | 1941143 NorthPole
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Do you know who is van Rompouy by profession? He is.... are you ready for this? ... a poet.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:06 | 1940105 MFL8240
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Of course, if you elect Paul and do away with Federal Jewish Cabal handing money to the Jewish banking cabal, they will have to work rather than steal for a living.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:22 | 1940156 Conrad Murray
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Will the moleh still get to suckle blood from the freshly circumcised little baby boy's penis? Mezizah, as they call it.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:56 | 1940253 reboot this mofo
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hey, lay off the Jews as I am a fellow Jewbinski, OK! Now...where are my matzo balls??  :)

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 21:29 | 1940571 economics1996
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Who hath woe?
Who hath sorrow?
Who hath contentions?
Who hath babbling?
Who hath wounds without cause?
Who hath redness of eyes?
They that tarry long at the wine;
they that go to seek mixed wine.
Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup,
when it moveth itself aright.
At the last it biteth like a serpent,
and stingeth like an adder.
Thine eyes shall behold strange women,
and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea,
or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.
They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick;
they have beaten me, and I felt it not:
when shall I awake?
I will seek it yet again.

—Proverbs 23:29-35

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 02:58 | 1950047 ... crumbs
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Yo if you had any balls ya wouldn't be here


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 21:48 | 1940591 Ahmeexnal
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Are you referring to all those receiving food stamps/oil under $500 a barrel/free education in socialist europe/medicare/ and countless other socialized rackets?

If you are, I agree. Time for oil consuming slobs to work in order to pay a real price for oil instead of stealing it from oil producing countries.

Hope you are happy when $50/gallon comes to you next time you fill your SUV's tank.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:19 | 1940864 LongBallsShortBrains
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5$ worth is stI'll 5$ worth

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:26 | 1940875 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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John Davison Rockefeller....

Not a Jew!

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 08:31 | 1941251 Pope Clement
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But maybe a made man and capo in the Redshield Priory?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:54 | 1940802 GlenD
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What can Ron Paul do, print money outside the fed, been tried before, Kenedy was shot because of it.  People have to realize there is no government anymore, it was hijacked long ago by the global banking cartel. Apart from all out revolution the only way to stop the corruption is for us all unite and say no, refuse play along their game until they vacate government officers and go back to the hellhole they came from.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:27 | 1940876 Mesquite
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Not only Pres. Kennedy... But before him, Pres. Lincoln..

And before him, Pres. Jackson (almost)..

And, each time, We the People, are fed the same line:

It was a lone crazed gunman...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:00 | 1940934 i-dog
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  "refuse play along their game until they vacate government officers"

Yep ... let's all just sit in the corner and hold our breath!

BTW, how did that work out for you as a 2-yr-old? Got the "blues"?

How about getting your [formerly] sovereign state government to throw them out of their DC offices?


Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:16 | 1940857 High Plains Drifter
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i am so shocked...........


a former jew talks  about the political future of our dear doctor paul.


as they say in brooklyn............fagettaboutit..........

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 12:54 | 1941548 Divine Wind
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If I were a Jew, I would not invite him to anything.

RP has repeatedly publicly stated he would end blatant support for Israel.

It is this one fact that would make me never vote for him, regardless of how much I love all of his other policy positions.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:14 | 1939933 Ruffcut
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I like order. Law and order. Has worked for thousands of year.

But it needs to be the rule of law and not the law of these rulers.

New world bullshit, control of human rights from the gods gift to freedom.

Rights to be useless, homeless and to be internet trolls.  THere are no rights to say you work and deserve more useless stuff. The whole system is well above clusterfuck status.

Karma is going to be a real bitch, this time.. bitchezzz

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:02 | 1940616 Oh regional Indian
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But it needs to be the rule of law and not the law of these rulers


Nice ruffcut..well said. Natural law too, at that.


Sat, 12/03/2011 - 05:14 | 1941177 saiybat
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Subjects have no rights

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:17 | 1939943 eureka
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Who are the knuckleheads who don't understand that US Empire is the very reason for the existence of the US FEDERAL RESERVE - and Pentagon & CIA. Who does not understand that?

Who thinks that a nation needs 1,000+ military bases spread out over 95% of the countries of the world - just in order to protect itself?

Who does not understand that such an empire serves the institutions of such empire - i.e. the owners - and of course their best paid minions?

Who does not understand that the purpose of the FED is to finance the hyper-consumption and under-productivity of such empire?

Who does not understand that the enemy of "we the people" is this country's very own institutions who serve the hyper rich elite and their capital collectives and pseudo-persons a.k.a. corporations, who by a super majority are all bailed out by the citizen taxpayers - while they evade taxes? 

Who is so dumb and proud of US military hardware and USDs spent on it that he/she cannot possibly think logically about who serves who?

Is it not clear that US empire does not serve "we the people"?

Or is it just that losers like thinking they have part in the glory of institutions, which usurp the name and the control of the very nation, who feeds them?

Must the US default and go bankrupt or start WWIII before the collectivist, nationalist, vicariously wealthy in domination proud, finally realize the cost of the pretense of supremacy?

Disconnect, vanity and delusion - your name is US Hegemony & Empire.

Or - in simple words: end first US Empire - because NWO ends with it.


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:27 | 1940167 RafterManFMJ
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I enjoyed your comment! Please forward your address from FEMA camp Active Freedom when you arrive; I wish to correspond with you, yet remain un-red carded.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 07:36 | 1941012 i-dog
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You have already been red-carded just for visiting ZH, you pussy. So you may as well make the most of it!

Even silent, unregistered, viewers are "tainted" by the truth - and their IP addresses linked to their FaceTwit accounts on the same list that we are on - so ... why not log in, make a statement, and give us a hand, eh?!

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:23 | 1941417 MobBarley
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Indeed, truth is like a viral infection that goes about giving men ideas.

We are , as has been publicly stated many times by our 'government',

the brains of our collective entity, in a war for minds and souls and ATMA's

and spirits and wines and sugar plantations and satiations of rampant

unchecked desires according to their plurality, and as such, ideas are

intellectual property subject to patent and the patent on truth was awarded

some carpenter from Galilee however since truth is really counterproductive

to battles and wars and possesion of souls and satiation of all wanton rampant

desires must be suppressed , no longer being of value to the state in the

one all seeing eye of the brain above, the Sauros Sauron WrathChilde collective.

 Our brain, infected with mercury and flouride and deep dark depression

having gone entirely suicidal , well, the hands and the feet and heart

are in revolt, saying 'What ails thee, my beloved brain? Thy intellect we

do adore, yet what madness is this that infects thee? Remember your blood?

Substance of your life? You propose to live without it, to replace it with

artifice made by thine own hand! Thus we revolt! Whom the cancer?

You or I? For once we did kindly agree on our needs, but now you

have masturbated to the point of total blindness, and burn the hair

from your palm daily, which grows to say 'No , share your seed as

we intended' ? Ah brain, you 5lb mass of oxygen consuming fucktard,

how shall we live without thee? In total anarchy, cell colony dissolved,

each cell to go its seperate way..perchance to recolonize the earth

in a time of peace for a eaon without you'



Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:05 | 1941328 taxpayer102
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@RafterManFMJ - full metal jacket

At this point Soldiers are needed, not sarcasm. eureka is speaking truth and nothing is more precious than truth.  If you're afraid of being red-carded for supporting truth then you're already a casualty.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 16:00 | 1942059 RafterManFMJ
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Um, I was pointing out how far we've fallen while trying to introduce the term 'red card' can even 'blue card' into the mix - some will no doubt be curious enough to google such things.  If you probably even know what a RED CARD is, well, you probably already have one.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 04:26 | 1950161 MarketWatchTerrorist
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Anyone that is not afraid of the U.S. government today is a fool.  Anyone that does not have their free speech squelched by the police state is a fool.  The government is disappearing and assassinating American citizens at will.  Do you think this cannot happen to you?


Your bravado is nothing short of suicidal.  If you want to be a mouth piece for the resistance I recommend you leave the country and learn how to hide your identity on the internet from some overseas cafe on their wifi (with an offshore VPN or, preferably, TOR).  Otherwise you are just asking for imprisonment, torture, and death - all of which are perfectly legal for the U.S. government to carry out against you if they deem you a sufficient threat to "national security (the system you rail against is part of national security pal)."

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:27 | 1940168 GOSPLAN HERO
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Alexander Hamiliton must be really happy.

... it's what he wanted America to be.

Big Business & Government working as one.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:24 | 1940320 DaveyJones
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why can't his offspring find a similar fate?  

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:06 | 1940621 Ima anal sphincter
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Numero Uno traitor when this country was just forming. An agent of the banks. NOW........ we have thousands. They ALL must go.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:11 | 1940636 slewie the pi-rat
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timmah to visit europeons

see:  faust 2.0: super mario brothers

Geithner to Meet German, Italian, ECB Officials - Bloomberg

(excerpt/paste): Geithner will meet French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti and European Central Bank President Mario Drahgi during his Dec. 6-8 trip, the Treasury Department said in a statement today. He will return to Washington before the Dec. 9 summit in Brussels.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 01:47 | 1941010 The Big Ching-aso
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We are The Borg.     Resistance is futile.    Just ask Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, for starters.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 03:30 | 1943389 e-recep
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He is dead and probably completely decomposed.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:44 | 1940665 Al Gorerhythm
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In answer to your questions, realizing that only about 10% of the population of the colonies rose up against the British (Not too sure if these firgures are in fact, fact; it's just what I've read here), probably about 95% of Americans.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:40 | 1940902 infinity8
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"super majority" - how much do you love that phrase? = "super bad" and "bad" doesn't mean "good".

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:03 | 1941325 Sorynn
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Indoctrination is complete.  Please go back to your local programming... 

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:42 | 1941367 MrBinkeyWhat
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Domestic Terrorist. We should ask WB7 to create an ID card for us.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:28 | 1939972 Prairie Fire
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Where are all the fire breathing capitalists out there?

I'm getting sick of seeing this site polluted by these inbred ows commies.

As for the seriousness of the situation--I agree we are in a tough spot--but where you pussies see the sky falling, I see assets that were previously priced out of my reach coming down into a range where I can obtain and exploit them to my and my family's benefit. I'm not specifically talking about stocks/bonds, but there are some great contrarian plays all over (if only I had all the capital I need to deploy!)

You mouthbreathing unionized crybaby scumbags are getting a lesson that you all need to learn--

So fuck you and your backassward solidarity rhetoric.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:40 | 1940021 ebworthen
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Two bong hits and blog me in the morning.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:48 | 1940046 yabyum
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Prairie is high on government cheese nachos, does it every time.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:44 | 1940367 Prairie Fire
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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 21:13 | 1940547 prains
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Prairie, your idea of Gucci capitalism is what fucked everything up

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:46 | 1940671 DaveyJones
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calling the state of the economic world a "tough spot" qualifies for your accusation

likewise, the fact that you can make "contrarian plays" is an strange definition of a healthy and viable market

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:45 | 1940906 infinity8
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gonna "exploit" the situation!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:55 | 1940699 slewie the pi-rat
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take 3 bong hits and blog me in 5 minutes, you "moron", eb!


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:48 | 1940038 Ragnar24
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I hope this is sarcasm. If it's not...

This site is full of capitalists who wish we had a country where we could express freemarket ideals.  And if you think America has an economy remotely close capitalism, then you need to brush up on econ 101 (Austrian).

In case you hadn't noticed, the Fed fixes the price of capital and the largest owner of residential mortgages is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the US government (Fannie/Freddie).

I hope your contrarian investment is farm land.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:24 | 1940160 Conrad Murray
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Even better is that the FRN is backed by sub-prime MBS. Fucking Benny Bucks.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:45 | 1940673 Bansters-in-my-...
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The FRN is backed by the USMilitary.

I thought bullying was being banned.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:52 | 1940384 Prairie Fire
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Ugh, why isn't this obvious--

Markets are broken. Yes, I agree. You know where it's broken right? I do, I imagine you see it too.

Are you telling me you can't figure out what direction a broken market will take? I can. No problem. In fact, the fact that it's broken makes it much easier. You have to be nimble of course, and right now is no time to be long-long term on anything.

Do I think America or any country has an efficient free market...of course not.

Yes, I have been purchasing farm land in Saskatchewan, as well as vacant lots.

Short term I'm bullish on the USD and short gold. I posted that info about 2 months ago here--along with my prediction that all economic data coming out of the US would be positive (even though in reality it's negative) because you don't want to shake the consumer's faith in the system, especially before christmas.

That was pretty obvious to me. The market is lying, and it's pretty easy to see and profit from it.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:56 | 1940515 Ragnar24
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I suppose that I, along with those giving you red arrows, took issue with the presumption that somehow we're considered OWS for hating a corrupt crony capitalist system.

There's nothing wrong with agreeing with the fruatration that OWS represents -- namely its anger at an unconstitutional banking cartel. Where I assume (and hope) many on ZH diverge is literally at the location of the occupation: 33 Liberty instead of Wall Street. ZHers know that you don't hate the beneficiary of a bailout, you despise the distributor of it.

Believe me, just because we're voicing our outrage doesnt mean we're not profiting from the predictable outcomes of this failed Keynesian philosophy.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:53 | 1940691 DaveyJones
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what he said and I know it's strange, but some of us care a lot more about a healthy economy, country and future for our children than a great market play.  

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:15 | 1940731 Ragnar24
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Not sure who "he" is in your reference, but Prairie definitely did NOT say anything of the sort -- quite the opposite. He was mad that we were identifying the CAUSE of this disease (Fed and it's incestuous relationship with high level banksters) so we might actually cure this once and for all.

my position is the one that will create a healthy and thriving TRUE capitalist system where my kids will EARN as much as their talents will allow them. But this idea of a future is entirely dependent on enough adults opening their eyes to the REAL culprit of our current predicament: the Fed (and to a lesser degree, Congress; but if you destroy the Sugar Daddy, you handcuff these politicians to a balanced budget).

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:30 | 1940757 DaveyJones
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you're the he. We're on the same page. Now let's rip theirs

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 03:06 | 1941104 MarketWatchTerrorist
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Obama's kids will succeed even if America fails.  He said so himself.


That's why they go to the $40,000 a year private school in D.C. with the other children of the elite.  America (public schools) will fail, but his children will be indoctrinated into the neo-feudal aristocracy in exchange for what he is doing to the U.S. and the world right now, thus ensuring his lineage a place at the table of the elite.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 08:58 | 1941261 FEDbuster
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"The FRN is backed by the USMilitary.

I thought bullying was being banned."

This is just the PC way of taking whatever we want from those we bully.  No need to invade and steal (looks bad), we just defend the reserve currency status of the dollar, then we electronic transfer ("print" is so last century) and steal.  We can kick the can forever, as long as we can kick "their" asses.  Just don't talk of demanding gold for your goods or oil, that will get you killed.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:49 | 1940045 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Prarie Fire,

Obviously you aren't talking about stocks/bonds, we know that.  In fact, we know what you are meaning already, so don't write it, because you don't write it well.

And who are you refering to?  Everyone?  Everyone of the OWS?  You are taking them all on right now?  Right now?  Should I grab some popcorn and wait to be awestruck?

Or are you going to lump all OWS into one group and call them,

unionized crybaby scumbag inbred ows commies


Because that is an overgeneralization.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:42 | 1940358 Prairie Fire
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That's the most polite way I could express what I think of the ows bowel movement.

I agree that there's some substance to the movement in the us. Not much, but some. Of course, I'm in Canada, and the ows bowel movement that spawned up here was equally the funniest and saddest things I've seen in awhile. I was fortunate enough to be in Vancouver on business when they evicted the camp from in front of the art gallery--I cheered, along with what seemed to be the majority of the people there. I got home to Edmonton in time to see that eviction too--all nine people of it. I cheered again and gave the leader Mike Huddema supreme shit for the disgusting mess they left behind in the park--of course as he informed me, it wasn't their responsibility to clean the park up after they had been evicted. Hypocrisy, sweet irony, idiots with iphones wearing american fashion labels produced in China shouting about freedom this, equality that, solidarity for everyone. Fucking scumbags.

I don't feel any sympathy for any moron that leveraged their house to the hilt to buy shit, and now thinks that it's the responsibilty of those that acted more prudently to help them out of the nasty situation they got themselves into. I'm a fairly compassionate guy, but stupidity should not be rewarded.


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 21:56 | 1940607 tumblemore
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"I don't feel any sympathy for any moron that leveraged their house to the hilt to buy shit, and now thinks that it's the responsibilty of those that acted more prudently to help them out of the nasty situation they got themselves into."

Just like the banks then - except the harm caused by any one individual moron is nothing compared to the harm that's been done by the Wall St. crime syndicate.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:08 | 1940701 DaveyJones
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and they didn't need to bitch in the street, just collect at the window 

the prarie limits your vertical perspective  

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:20 | 1940637 weinerdog43
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Shorter Prairie:  "I can't wait until I can get out my brown shirt and march around telling other people what to do."

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:31 | 1940648 ViewfromUnderth...
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"the responsibilty of those that acted more prudently to help them out of the nasty situation they got themselves into. I'm a fairly compassionate guy, but stupidity should not be rewarded."

So, you are upset about the trillions of dollars from the public purse that went to and continues to go to insolvent banks...and you are expressing your discontent by attacking OWS?

.gov troll? you fucking fool.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:55 | 1940682 Bansters-in-my-...
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Prairie Feces......

Seems more suiting.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 02:44 | 1941079 Thomas.2012
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Prairie, dont be so angry!

You have bought land, you make tons of money shorting the markets, you even invested in a small vacation business, you seem to have a nice job where you can travel around the world and I guess you are certainly free of any debt.

And on top of that comes you great attidude ... lol ... what a perfect life ;-)

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:04 | 1940095 eureka
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Chill & Peace Be With You, Prarie - Million Dollar Bonus is joking - all his posts are satire, sarcasm - i.e. exagerations to ridiculous proportions of the opposite of his real and most ZH'ers POV - which is "let freedom range" - but not bailout-, lobbyist-rigged-, corrupt-, corporate-, bankster-, militarist-, crony-capitalism.

happy weekend -

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:47 | 1940232 Smiddywesson
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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 19:20 | 1940124 rufusbird
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to far down the list to answer

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 22:39 | 1940663 riley martini
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 Parie Fire . If you only  had some money ha ha . O to be 20 and dumb as a rock to the ways of the world . I bet those union workers have money they didn't get by letting all the money go to the executives.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:04 | 1940700 Al Gorerhythm
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"Where are all the capitalists out there?; followed by I wish I had some capital to deploy". It sounds as if you want some credit to lever rather than capital to deploy. Dear oh dear. Your idea of capital accumulation is that which you wish to strip from someone else, rather than create wealth for redeployment. That's not what capitalism is. Vulture economics is what you are advocating and what got us here in the first place.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:14 | 1940434 ConstantineK
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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:15 | 1940437 ConstantineK
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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 21:43 | 1940585 YBNguy
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Gotta disagree with Kyle on Japan. All their hate will be focused on their own lying government when the deaths in the near future show how bad Fukishima really was/is...

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:51 | 1939849 LawsofPhysics
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"END THE FED - END the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and free the people of the world, including the U.S. people"

fixed it for ya.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:58 | 1939874 whatsinaname
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And now CNBC battles ZH on yahoo finance..look at the ZH reference and the humbug comment..


The central banker of the country most famous for hyperinflation, Zimbabwe, is warning that the US may be on the wrong path and urging his country to adopt the Chinese yuan as its currency.


Reserve Bank governor Gideon Gono has warned that Zimbabwe's nascent economic recovery is at the mercy of the United States dollar, which is facing new pressures from the Euro-zone debt crisis.

Gono says Zimbabwe should in fact be looking to the Chinese yuan as its main currency, while urgently seeking to restore its own currency which was abandoned in 2009 after a dramatic loss of its value.

Speaking in Gweru last Saturday, Gono said: "The extraordinary happenings in Europe where economic power houses in the euro zone have been hit by a debt crisis deserves extraordinary measures, especially here in Zimbabwe where we have adopted the US dollar as the major currency in our multi-currency regime.

"With the continuous firming of the Chinese yuan, the US dollar is fast ceasing to be the world's reserve currency and the Euro-Zone debt crisis.

Zero Hedge reads this as a warning for the US. Even Zimbabwe sees we're headed toward inflation!

Bah humbug!




Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:01 | 1939883 ucsbcanuck
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CNBC is unhappy that the serious people read ZH. CNBC wants ZH along with Meredith Whitney and Kyle Bass out of the picture, because they are too honest for CNBC. Reality doesn't make ratings.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:30 | 1939978 Comay Mierda
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the presstitutes gotta keep people ignorant of the biggest wealth transfer in the history of the world.  hyperinflation will decimate the savings and lifestyles of everyday people.

"no, no, really, printing a fuck load of money to bail out the banks and monetize deficit spending wont create inflation"

they are engaged in full-on assault of truth tellers now

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:26 | 1940465 no life
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One morning I had CNBC on for some strange reason and, I shit you not, Cramer must've blabbed about ECB printing money to bailout Europe about 35 times in the space of two hours.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 20:40 | 1940496 Bokkenrijder
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"Unfortunately, this video is not available in Germany because it may contain music for which GEMA has not granted the respective music rights"


Fucking New World Order...!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 23:31 | 1940763 Freddie
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Kyle rocks.  The idiot ex-IMF guys is a big f*g.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:08 | 1940836 Old. No. 7
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Curb your man crush, they're cut from the same cloth. You just don't know it. Like you don't know

the "Mooslim" Orhama was installed by the Chicago Zionist Mafia.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 10:28 | 1941354 hampsterwheel
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Its all here in this guys work - a masterful explanation about money and why ending the fed is only 1/2 right - its much bigger than the fed... a must watch - and share...

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 11:52 | 1941458 covert
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the arabian empire will be the new world order, enslaving the sheeple.


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:49 | 1939830 DK Delta
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This title is bound to generate a lot of attention

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 17:32 | 1939990's picture

Everybody wants to know where that New World Odor is coming from.

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 00:49 | 1940911 UP Forester
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Not everyone knows that BO is only a telling symptom of disease....

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 16:49 | 1939831 Jordan Kanter
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The momentum grows: DEBTORS REVOLT – intentiona­­l *default-e­­n-masse* to hasten the collapse of the predatory lending system and the plutocracy into which our country has morphed.

Join us. Simply refuse to play their game, and repudiate your debts – just walk away. The system, as it has transforme­­d over the past 15 years, is simply rigged against you and offers you no mercy. So show no mercy in return; just default. Watch what happens – their power depends upon OUR cooperation, and our continued fear. Reset and rebuild from there.

DEBTORS’ REVOLT — DEFAULT EN MASSE.   Critical mass approaches. 

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