The Latest In The Broken Market Chronicles: Explaining Last Friday's Ridiculous Market Action

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Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:21 | 1758927 Sudden Debt
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I wonder if I could download a freeware version of the software package and rigg the market myself.


Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:23 | 1758932 unky
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I think you would also need several high speed servers and a hell of a internet connection bandwidth (located near the exchange)

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:35 | 1758971 s2man
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Hmmm.  How about a telecom/internet-backbone data center.  Does it run on UNIX?

Could lose my job, though.  They caught some guy running SETI on company servers and he was toast.  He didn't even get the three-strikes rule.  hehehe

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 17:03 | 1759071 fuu
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How many machines was he running it on?

I managed to get all the slaes, shipping, and transpo machines running SETI back in 2000. I ran into one of the IT guys a year later and he mentioned they thought they had finally gotten them all. I told him he must have missed a few because I was still getting results.

Good times.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 17:11 | 1759091 s2man
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I don't recall how many boxes he put it on.  Probably just his little group, back then.  We have consolidated all those little groups into one big department.  I've got access to a couple thousand boxes, now.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 17:18 | 1759113 Sudden Debt
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I still have my first Atari in the attick if I would help you guys out :)

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 20:51 | 1759558 New_Meat
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I have a 1200 baud modem (some of us remember how fast those mothaz were) to add to the mix. - Ned

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:41 | 1758975 bob_dabolina
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Remember this? Goldmans lawyer Freudian slipping the admission of having an algo that can manipulate the market. 

The problem is that in their case against this guy, Sergey Aleynikov (a Russian immigrant no less, how James Bond is this getting?)the bank's lawyer made the statement that this “raised the possibility that there is a danger that somebody who knew how to use this program could use it to manipulate markets in unfair ways.”

Boy-oh-boy did I think that was precious.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 20:52 | 1759561 New_Meat
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I have the "unfair ways" thingie printed on a small card with other classics.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:49 | 1759022 fuu
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We were starting to get worried about you!

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 17:35 | 1759155 vocational tainee
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Just keep on stacking..

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 17:48 | 1759194 Yen Cross
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 Well spoken.

Tue, 10/11/2011 - 01:01 | 1760152 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I wonder if I could download a freeware version of the software package and rigg the market myself.

I think you can download a trial version. It's called BucketShop Pro.


Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:25 | 1758939 SheepDog-One
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I hope they build themselves into a massive meltdown.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:38 | 1758984 DoChenRollingBearing
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*Excuse Rant*


On and on and on and on and on and on this BS goes!  Where the Hell are the regulators!?  Haven't they had their fill of online porn yet?!

This has got be to be COMPLETELY ILLEGAL (but a Bearing != a lawyer).

Pardon the intrusion on your turf here SheepDog.

/Rant off

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 19:30 | 1759416 DCFusor
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DoChen, it's more like taking advantage of a broken collection/reporting system.  In fact, I see these rogue trades (or whatever you wanna call them) even on my low bandwidth TD ameritrade software on level II data - you see these dots WAY outside the current bids/asks -- and you know the future...or sometimes, the past.

It's not illegal for people to trade among themelses off the exchange far as I know, I'm no lawyer either.  Else how would all that "dark pool" and "no one knows who holds howmany CDS's sold by who" stuff be going on still.

Note, not one word in any of the regulatory reform on those things -- people (even here) need to learn to look for what's NOT there to get to the truth of who owns who and where our laws come from.


Mon, 10/10/2011 - 23:07 | 1759857 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ignorance != Bliss, DC.  Thanks for better info than I have.  All of this just LOOKS sleazy and illegal...

Good point about the dog not barking.  But, hey I took ONE law course in college because it was required for my business major, LOL...

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:25 | 1758940 RobotTrader
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Longacre Fund just announced that they got "Amaranthed"....

Let me guess....

They were heavily invested in gold stocks.


Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:32 | 1758962 SheepDog-One
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Or of your old favorites.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:41 | 1758994 RobotTrader
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Probably TRX, one of the all-time "hope" favorites by guys like you.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:41 | 1758979 s2man
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Someone hit them with ancient Aztec grain?

Disclosure: I own amaranth.  But its for eating. I wouldn't waste it on a wedding, let alone a MF.

The scientific term would be Amaranthaceaed

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 17:14 | 1759098 InconvenientCou...
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Maybe it was this from the funds strategy statement?

"We periodically hedge interest rate exposure by going short government bonds."

Oh well... If they had phyz gold at least the lawyers will get paid.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:55 | 1758946 hedgeless_horseman
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Robust markets.  What could possibly go wrong?

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:29 | 1758955 redstuffer
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What a joke, and the working stiffs with 401 k mutual fund indexed funds that trade after 12 noon on friday don't execute until tomorrow. wtf

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:32 | 1758961 andybev01
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"I'm Zaphod Beeblebrox the first, my father was Zaphod Beeblebrox the second, my grandfather was Zaphod Beeblebrox the third and so on...there was an accident with a contraceptive and a time machine."

The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:38 | 1758985 Withdrawn Sanction
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"The mission of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is to protect investors, maintain fair, orderly, and efficient markets, and facilitate capital formation."

This is from the SEC's website. No really.... it is. You just cant make this stuff up.

Actually, in a wierd way, it's good. Anything that undermines respect for this laughingstock of an organization is all to the good.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:40 | 1758991 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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When your measuring stick is unlimited amounts of Jew Confetti, numbers are meaningless.

Back to work slaves, there maybe an extra shred or two of jew confetti in your wage packet this month.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:43 | 1758999 RobotTrader
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What do Jews have to do with financial markets?


So why not save those type of comments for a Nazi message board or something?

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:51 | 1759032 fuu
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Well said.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:56 | 1759051 DoChenRollingBearing
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Well said and well said.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 17:27 | 1759141 Cynical Sidney
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"What do Jews have to do with financial markets?" -RobotTrader

One ought to give this question some thought before one comes to quick conclusions

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 19:04 | 1759358 rocker
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Isn't Big Ben a Jew.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:54 | 1759041 Note to self
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FMB is a dickhead.


Mon, 10/10/2011 - 17:02 | 1759059 bob_dabolina
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The term "jew confetti" predated the Nazis and was a euphemism for the hyperinflation created during the Weimar Republic in which the financial system was dominated by Germans of Jewish persuasion. 

And I guess you can argue that Jewsish people have nothing to do with financial markets except if you look at the majority of people by religous orientation that make up the industry. Take for example the make-up of the Federal Reserve: Bernanke, Yellen, Kohn, Raskin, etc

If you look at the current policies (printing money and dollar depreciation), the term while not sympathetic, isn't entirely innapropriate.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 17:05 | 1759075 Note to self
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Think that's cause non-jews don't give a shit, are stupid, or both?


Mon, 10/10/2011 - 17:19 | 1759116 bob_dabolina
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Looking at the world in its current state I would say that everyone is stupid and doesn't give a shit. It takes something special to have the world as fucked up as it is.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 17:22 | 1759130 Note to self
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well touche' to you, but please don't make it worse by reinforcing (by suggestion) ugly stereotypes that have led some of our even-stupider-kin to do bad things


Mon, 10/10/2011 - 20:23 | 1759499 lizzy36
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Yes bernanke is a jew.

Alas, Hank Paulson, Tim Geithner, Jamie Dimon, Vic Pandit, Brian Moynihan all non jews.

Pretty easy to scapegoat a race, a political party, a religion, a people, than to ask the question who does "US versus Them" ultimately serves.

RobotTrader +1000


Mon, 10/10/2011 - 20:51 | 1759536 bob_dabolina
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No one was scapegoating anyone. 

And none of the people you named print money (wasn't the topic "jew confetti"?). You also left out the bank with the highest price per share, Goldman Sachs (masters of the universe) 

Take a look at this lineup...stacked deep

And as for Hank Paulson "Christian Scientist" doesn't count, in fact it's an oxymoron. The Christian faith and science are in direct conflict with eachother. That "religion" is an elaborate tax shelter for the rich. And have you seen Geithners nose? Sorry that's a Jewish nose, curly hair and Geithner is a German name...closet Jew

Don't be so sensitive.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 20:05 | 1759465 homersimpson
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Um.. Jews run Wall Street.

I'm not for the anti-Semitism here, but let's call a spade a spade: Wall Street is run by Jewish people. Period.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 22:12 | 1759703 Executioner
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What do jews have to do with financial markets? Perhaps you're talking about some financial market from outer space.

There's nothing wrong with the presence of jews, me, or even you Robot, in the financial market. The number of jews in the financial market is a question better left for the sages.

The financial market are rotten. If this is so due to nazis, catholics, vegans, jews or you, Robot, is something that changes nothing (market is still rotten).

BTW, can someone explain to me, why is that everytime a jewish person is/was pointed as the responsible for some wrongdoing, those who notice must be accused of nazism? Besides, what is the definition of "jew" nowdays? An ethinic group? A religious group? As an ethinic group, the true jewish people (the semits) has NOTHING to do with modern jews whose ethinicity is linked to the Khazar Empire (think of a mix of germans, mongols, hungarians, slavs, etc). Those "european jews" share no conection with the ancient Jerusalem inhabitants (semit tribes). Oh and yes, that's just for when someone (and not necessarily a jew, since I don't wnat to be accused of antisemitism by teaching history) plays the "anti-semit card".

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:45 | 1759006 Fred Hayek
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We now return to your regularly scheduled pogrom.

Seriously. Leave the baseless anti-semitic stuff for some other venue.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:56 | 1759045 s2man
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Not that I like it, but I believe that is a reference to the German slang for their worthless, hyperinflated currency in the 1920's.

That said, I am hearing a lot about the pending deflation.  I don't see how, with all the currency they have been printing.  I am betting on hyperinflation.  Long physical PMs.  Short FRNs (very short, at the moment).

Edit: wow. +6 for robot trader.  unheard of.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 17:09 | 1759085 Saro
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Perhaps you should start calling paper money something more relevant to today.

I humbly suggest something like "Bernankonfetti".

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:42 | 1758997 rocker
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Would it not be better to explain today's. Just who owns all the supply that they need to sell.

   100% Cash and Holding. This is bogus shit and a rigged market.

Short interest increased aqain, is it the only way to make the market go up ? 

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:43 | 1759001 Fred Hayek
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Gosh, why don't small investors trust these venues? It's inexplicable.

The scum who allow these markets to be run fraudulently might think they're not paying any price for it, that they're getting away with it scot free. But in the small circles within which I travel I know people who aren't nearly ZH'ers or PM bugs who are fed up with the corruption and abject fraudelence and who won't play any more.

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:47 | 1759013 augie
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not very often you get to use a word like "Rescind." That's one of them 5 dollar words. 

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 16:50 | 1759016 carbonmutant
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What's expected of us

It was just a little toy that could only predict one second in the future...

Originally published in Nature

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 18:01 | 1759223 augie
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Thank you for posting this. 

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