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The Latest Rumor: Fed To Fund IMF, Bypassing Congressional Refusal Of European Bailout

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Sun, 12/04/2011 - 21:55 | 1945446 1000pips
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Great For Eur/USD. $1.40 in a week !

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:00 | 1945466 strannick
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Congress can be so damned inconvienient.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:08 | 1945498 jekyll island
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Why would the fed need to go through the IMF when it can use swap lines or bury it off balance sheet?  Is the IMF used because of it's high visibility and to send a clear message to the markets?  

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:19 | 1945535 trav7777
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probably got some cousins they need to funnel more money to.

As for Congress being inconvenient, they are really too busy getting themselves rich to give a shit about actual legislating

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 23:15 | 1945588 sqz
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@jekyll island

Central bank swap lines, particularly the ECB's, requires posting collateral to use.

Since the problem IS the collateral, the swaps are not as useful as you think to solve either the funding crisis or sovereign crisis. At most they are just a substitute for USD funding for those who EZ banks who have seen a funding squeeze on their USD assets.

Loaning funds via the IMF would theoretically (or fantastically?) target the sovereigns, the source of the crisis, directly. Unfortunately, this is not a realistic solution due to the total size of the EZ sovereign debt market - at least EUR 1,600 bn is required per year for EZ debt rollover alone. Also, the IMF was never designed to backstop large countries, i.e. hand out huge loans to countries that make up a large part of the IMF itself. It is largely meant as a vehicle to lend to small or medium countries in times of trouble so that they are forced to accept Anglo-American structural requirements at the same time, such as "free trade" or "liberalisation" or other aspects that make it easier for Westerners to take over their markets and assets. This is why the IMF is called an optical backstop. It is never meant to be actually drawn down significantly, merely look like it could be.

Even if the IMF could somehow miraculously be used for EZ bailout, it cannot be used forever without even more damage being caused. The structural imbalances that exist in the Eurozone would still be there and because the IMF committment would almost certainly have to have a large input from the EZ creditor nations, like Germany, it means the debtor nations have a massive incentive to not follow any austerity or other painful conditions, but instead hold the creditor nations, who are captive with them in the sub-optimal currency area, to ransom with the threat of more damage and default. Nothing would be fixed. In fact, it creates almost ideal conditions for much worse problems.

IMF involvement for large EZ bailouts would be like having Eurobonds without a fiscal union, except now you also directly contaminate/suck-in other non-EZ sovereigns. Even printing, which solves nothing and also adds its own difficulties, would be better since it at least keeps the structural and fiscal problems contained within the EZ for longer.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 23:17 | 1945652 topcallingtroll
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A classic nash equilibrium.

Germany is trying to avoid falling in the trap.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 01:22 | 1945851 jeff montanye
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hussman is particularly cogent on this topic this week:  read especially from "we represent the lollipop guild".  http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc111205.htm

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 03:03 | 1945941 TruthInSunshine
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Wake the f*ck up, people.

Zero Hedge is full of diverse but also aware regulars. While we don't agree on all issues all the time, we do tend to see things more accurately than most with the red pill filter assisting us.

The ONLY thing that will harken any sort of significant change in the United States or throw a monkey wrench into the cogs of the machinery marching us on a slow but relentless grind into the assimilated one world borg is if things get painful enough for a majority of the sheeple quickly enough, so they actually take the time to pull their heads out from their asses and do even a modicum of basic, independent research on the whys and whos as to what's turned their little American Dream upside down.

Otherwise, it's all a slow simmer leading to a nice, calm death. No quick boil.

I'll believe real and positive change is afoot when there are tens or hundreds of thousands of protesters marching angrily upon the New York Branch of the Federal Reserve, demanding an end to any private central bank, whatever name it goes by, and a return of the coinage of money to the Congress, as the Constitution mandates.

- Whether Congress screws things up and people over as badly as the private fractional reserve central banksters and those who employ them is another question altogether, but let's get one step done at a time.

The 2nd massive arrangement of swap lines between The Federal Reserve and European Banksters in three short years, barely causing a ripple of reporting or question asking by the Main Lame Ass Stream Media Proxy Puppets or almost all pawns of the Kleptocratic Crony Capitalists in CONgress is merely more incontrovertible proof that there's little hope of any real catalyst for change until another 30 or 50 million people in the U.S. are dumpster diving and eating Alpo.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 06:59 | 1946071 Gohn Galt
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I won't believe until citizens are able to govern themselves without intervention.

Democracy is two wolves fighting over who is going to eat the lamb.  Liberty is when the lamb has a shotgun and can kill both the wolves.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 07:58 | 1946124 Popo
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Exactly.  Although, to put a finer point on it:   Liberty is when a handful of lambs have sniper rifles. 

Shotguns are far too messy, and don't generally create the pervading sense of fear necessary for real change.   Not to mention, they put the lambs in danger.

(Not advocating of course -- just clarifying.)

 

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 01:04 | 1945821 Marx_it_2_market.
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sqz, I don't understand why the IMF couldn't kick the can down the road for a year or two by giving or loaning that 1.6 Trillion to Europe. That's far less than was given to the financial institutions in 2008-2009.

Your comment that the IMF has mostly been a tool to dominate small and medium countries is quite true, but what would stop TPTB from using the IMF anyway ?

As you say, the IMF includes the Eurozone nations, but I don't see how that's a show-stopper.  Instead, it seems like the IMF will be used to overcome German objections by internationalizing the whole thing, thanks to Ben's helicopter and the manufactured gullibility of the American people.

Can anyone explain, please, where my anaylsis is wrong?  Otherwise, I'm going to think TPTB have the trick that will kick the can down the road for a few years, until the whole Ponzi scheme falls apart. 

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 01:41 | 1945876 jeff montanye
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the imf has always insisted on being paid back; indeed its loans become senior to all other loans.  

the assets have gone bad.  what the original investors, including bank bond and stock holders want, is for someone to pay them and take the loss.  the imf may have a different idea.  as they say, if you don't know who the sucker is ....

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 02:11 | 1945908 Marx_it_2_market.
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Right.  The IMF always gets repaid.  So what's to stop that private bank with the turbo printing presses and a Federal name, from funding the Eurozone ?

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 06:15 | 1946047 Potemkin Nation
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These deliberations have nothing to do with solving the problem.  As Martenson says, this is a predicament, not a problem.  It's all about who is going to pay.  In that light, saving the bankers by foisting a much more severe problem on the little people is a rational course of action, assuming you're a banker... without a conscience.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 00:45 | 1945790 El Gordo
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I could only wish Congress were too busy to legislate.  Let them steal what they want if they will just stop legislating.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 02:59 | 1945942 CharlieSDT
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Mark Twain observed in 1866, . “No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.” He’s still right. The more our government does, the more they steal from us all.

 

http://www.singledudetravel.com/2011/11/american-scamocracy/

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 03:04 | 1945950 fourchan
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the paracite of government looms large.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 03:14 | 1945959 Tom Green Swedish
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The sad thing is how the parasites sell us out.  Almost all of us pay taxes yet they only listen to a small majority, who pay more.  Its like they are trying to keep their best customer, not be democratic.

 

I bet if George Washington was president about 98 percent of them would be in prison right now.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:23 | 1945544 CPL
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As seen in last episode, the IMF was tight against the rope with no hope.  The Fed acting in the interests of itself require that they reinflate the bubble in Europe.

 

Stay tuned when the fiat currency believes it is more important than the people it serves...

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:39 | 1945586 DeadFred
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But we can't stay tuned to Dancing With the Stars because the season is over. What will we do?

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 00:33 | 1945774 Maiden Lane
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The fact that you know that is cause for concern

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 01:10 | 1945832 SillySalesmanQu...
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Watch Castle tomorrow night for the answer to that question and much more...right ater The Price Is Right! Stay tuned...

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 05:25 | 1946031 Sudden Debt
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The bubble can't be reinflated. And now we're starting to see really bad signs in real estate poping up all over western europe as prices seem to be down 10% overall this year which is causing more people to put their houses for sale.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:26 | 1945550 dracos_ghost
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The Eurozone will not allow the US to be perceived as the saviour of their EuroSoviet experiment. Loan it to the IMF "Eu intellectuals" and let them control the message and distribution.

Probably add to that if they do the loan facility under an IMF aegis, by treaty, the US taxpayer has to foot the bill if it goes tits up. Why expose their balance sheet any more than they already have.

The FED has obligated the US Taxpayer outside Congressional due process.

I'm not sure whether the Fed is to blame or f%^&ing Congress. The Fed is what the Fed is. Congress is "Stupid is as stupid does".

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:42 | 1945589 Careless Whisper
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in the 0.01% chance this latest baseless speculation is true

correction: in the 100% likelihood that the obvious is true

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:09 | 1945506 YBNguy
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Didnt they make this move during the last bailout, where billions were given to failing foreign countries and it took forever for them to disclose thru FOIA?

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:13 | 1945517 surf0766
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And $110 WTI

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:28 | 1945555 Teddy Turner
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This explains it.  Watch the whole thing.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUsKrulPnTE&feature=channel_video_title

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 23:26 | 1945669 rbg81
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Sure, lets bail out the Italian and Greek pensioners.  Why not?  We're already in more debt than we could possibly pay off anyway due to our unfunded obligations and "guarantees".  At this point, it might as well be handing out Monopoly $$.  Let's face it: Bernanke's real mandate is to keep the Machine from blowing up into a million pieces until the 2012 election.  A key part of that is keeping interest rates low and the DOW above 12K by any means necessary.  But after 2012, (to quote Private Hudson from "Aliens") its Game Over man.  Game Over.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 02:20 | 1945915 i-dog
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Why do you assume there will be an election in 2012?

Does it look like they're serious about having one? LOL

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 21:56 | 1945450 death_to_fed_tyranny
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F The FED! DIE FED! DIE!

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:00 | 1945464 living on the edge
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They are dying but won't go out without a fight, hence QE 3, 4, 5, etc.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:07 | 1945493 SHEEPFUKKER
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Yeah, these banksters would rather fuck the whole world than make it right. 

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:10 | 1945507 DaveyJones
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that is their normal MO

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 00:47 | 1945793 FeralSerf
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They're just doing God's work.  God needs money, lots of it --  all of it if possible.

Now if we only knew who "God" is, we could get to the root of the problem.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 21:57 | 1945451 JR
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Good, we need to have this thing break. Bernanke is an outlaw and he needs to be caught and punished.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 21:58 | 1945453 Boilermaker
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I guess Bernake was right.  He really does literally answer to anyone.  The FED is unilaterally authorized to do whatever the fuck they want to.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:07 | 1945492 CrashisOptimistic
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No, let's not go overboard.

The Fed has explicitly said it is not empowered to lend money to California, Illinois or any other state that issues bonds and asks the Fed to purchase.

It's very hard to see how the Fed would buy IMF bonds if it is not empowered to buy California bonds.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:10 | 1945508 jekyll island
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Intermediaries, my friend.  Fed would "lend" the money to some WS banker's wife and she would buy all the IMF bonds.  And a purse. 

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:15 | 1945523 Caviar Emptor
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Then lose it all in a crap game with a bank holding company that the Fed would have to bail out 

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 23:02 | 1945632 Freddie
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Maybe that Dem c*nt Corzine and his c**t wife.  The DNC and muslim's friend - Corzine.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 01:03 | 1945818 Flakmeister
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Freddie.... it's a cunt. The word is used in sentences like this:

Someone should slip a cunt over Freddie's head and fuck some sense into him.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:30 | 1945558 Tuco Benedicto ...
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When the time comes the Fed will bail out the states as well.  I know this is hard to grasp, but the Fed "may" be lying:)

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:45 | 1945597 Teamtc321
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Well sure, those pension's and retirement account's are looking pretty tasty. 

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 23:19 | 1945657 kill switch
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Tuco,,One bastard goes in, and another one comes out,,,Look,,look the fed is taking the filthy money...

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 22:48 | 1945604 Mactheknife
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>It's very hard to see how the Fed would buy IMF bonds if it is not empowered to buy California bonds.

OK, it's like this...the people who own the Fed (a private bank) have the same vested interest in the major banks of the EU. This is NOT about bailing out countries or states, it's about bailing out the dumbass banks none of whom have much of a vested interest in CA. All western governments are now owned and operated by the world banking cartel and they don't give a rat's ass about CA or IL or you & me. Also, it's in the charter that we gave them in 1913 that says they can go take over the world as long as they leave individual states alone and under the US government. It is an outrage that this power was handed over to them and it must be taken back.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 00:34 | 1945778 Ima anal sphincter
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and it must be taken back

So very true.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 00:55 | 1945808 FeralSerf
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When they decide they're able to get clear title to California, they may change their minds and empower their "Fed" to buy those California bonds.

We may be watching the End Game in real time.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 01:02 | 1945813 Milestones
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Mac-here's something I've posted a few times

by Milestones 
on Sun, 11/21/2010 - 14:22
#

 

Mr. T., I addressed this issue a couple of times "The Trials and Tribulations of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913" on 6-15-10 and a couple of times later. In fine, let me answer you in brief.

My argument lies in Article 1, Section 8 (5)-Powers of Congress. The Congress SHALL have power: to coin money, REGULATE THE VALUE THEREOF,--". That power was apparently DELEGATED to the Federal Reserve Bank. That DELEGATION of authority to the Federal Reserve is my question. Did Congress have the authority to delegate that authority to "regulate the value thereof"?

Panama Refining Co. v Ryan 293 U.S. 388 1935

"The Constitution provides 'that all legislative powers herein GRANTED SHALL be vested in the Congress of the United States, which shall consist Senate and House of Representatives.'--The Congress MANIFESTLY IS NOT PERMITTED to abdicate or to TRANSFER TO OTHERS the essential legislative functions with which it is vested.---Cannot be allowed  to obscure the limitations of the authority to delegate, if our constitutional system is to be maintained."

Field v Clark 143 U.S. 649 1892

--"The legislative power must REMAIN in the organ where it is lodged by that instrument."

Sovereignty is granted to "We the People" in the first 3 words of the Preamble. As such, under the Constitution, we the people delegate our Sovereign authority to persons to REPRESENT us in day to day dealings. But it is the reserve of the Soverigns to delegate authority not our reperesentatives. John Locke came to the same conclusion.

I would contend that the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 is illegal under the Constitution. Further, if we consider Marbury v Madison of 1803, a decision has stood for over 200 years, the case can be stated in far starker terms:

Marbury v Madison 17 Wall 205 Cranch 2 1803

"Thus the particular phraseology of the Constitution of the United States confirms and strengthens the principal, supposedly to be essential to all written constitutions, that a law repugnant to the constitution is VOID; and the courts AS WELL AS ALL OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE BOUND BY THAT INSTRUMENT."

Not only did Congress not have the authority to submit such a document as the Federal Reserve Act of 1913; likewise President Wilson had no authority to sign it. See the last sentence of the above.

Yes, I know, the Constitution has been turned into a roll of toilet paper to the 1%ers but that is still the document I still march to as do most others . If that not be the case then we would be far better served now to be comparing an AR-15 to an AK-47.

If those unhappy with the way things are want a change, we must state our concerns and grievances in a fashion that those who are totally uninformed can have a place, a handle so that a nightmare of a 2nd revolution can be avoided. 

There was a ton of groundwork done before Jefferson wrote his magnificent document of 1776. Milestones

Your name:Milestones

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 03:39 | 1945975 lunar
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.....the people who own the Fed (a private bank) have the same vested interest in the major banks of the EU. This is NOT about bailing out countries or states, it's about bailing out the dumbass banks....

how true!


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