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Leading Indicators Predict Another Fed Intervention (Or EPS Rediscovers Gravity)

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Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:37 | 1820992 GeneMarchbanks
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Just a little one? A mini qe maybe.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:39 | 1821001 bernorange
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Fed members have been hinting at QE3 for the last week or so.  It is inevitable.

http://www.pmbug.com/forum/f4/qe3-looming-32/

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:49 | 1821038 SheepDog-One
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Fed members have been hemming and hawing about QE rumors all year, now the rumor of QE is as good or better than QE itself...yet all we see is markets melting up 25% in a couple weeks back to near all time highs. Never any need for QE, just talk about it is good enough here in Fullretard Land.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:51 | 1821061 Everybodys All ...
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You have been right before on your QE calls. What do you think? Do they really need to at this point? My feeling is they hold off.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:53 | 1821070 SheepDog-One
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I think before and now that theyre basically done, next while everyone is expecting their funds and 401K's and pensions to keep getting padded by the FED, some overnite we'll see they staged some event and grabbed it all.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:54 | 1821078 baby_BLYTHE
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Sheepdog is right about the effectivness of the almighty 'hint'. Here are words from the printer himself...

the U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press (or, today, its electronic equivalent), that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost. By increasing the number of U.S. dollars in circulation, or even by credibly threatening to do so, the U.S. government can also reduce the value of a dollar in terms of goods and services, which is equivalent to raising the prices in dollars of those goods and services (stocks).

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:53 | 1821073 sjamesje
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All time highs are up around 14k for the Dow.  Still have a ways to go before we get there.  Would expect a never before seen crash i we do get there though!

 

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:24 | 1821233 sabra1
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google the graphs from the 1929 recession, to the 1932 depression. everyone thought all was getting better, then BAAAAAM!!!!!!!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 16:08 | 1822401 css1971
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5 years of shit then WW3

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 20:19 | 1823235 Hephasteus
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Which reduces the complexity of the society and then baby boomers come pouring in flying out of vaginas complicating it right back up.

This time I don't think people are coming back. Ever.

If people want to experiment with continually constructing and then corrupting and then destroying complex societies let em have at it.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:47 | 1821046 mayhem_korner
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Why QE when QE hinting levitates sheep so well?

We don't need force...just the threat of force will do...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:03 | 1821380 Rynak
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Because of a little global debt and insolvency problem.

By now, this no longer is just about levitating the stockmarket (which has nothing to do with the economy) alone anymore.... sure, banksters would love to get even more, but by now, their profits aren't the only thing that matters anymore.... but also the (unrealistic) survival of an unsustainable system.

Printing will happen..... and shortly afterwards, there will be revolts across the globe.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:09 | 1821415 brew
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where's robo trader when you need him...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:48 | 1821051 Mark123
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Don't the primary dealers have the capacity to create almost unlimited amounts of debt anyways...QE1 left them with a lot of reserves sitting at the Fed no?  All the Fed has to do is make it clear to PDs that they will backstop them in case things don't go so well, and then they can go shopping for assets!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So I don't think there will be any more official money printing for quite a while.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:46 | 1821302 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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That's like saying, "I'll just put it in a little bit ..."

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 18:19 | 1822929 nyse
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Right. Just the tip...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:38 | 1820998 Irish66
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no way will they even attempt qe3

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:48 | 1821048 markar
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Really? Not only will the Fed print but so will the ECB. There is no other way out for them. gold to the moon

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:35 | 1821265 junkyardjack
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Exactly, what other option do they have? Default? The only thing there is to do is to print its just when will they do it.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 21:57 | 1823406 buyingsterling
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What about the $16 trillion the fed loaned out to banks, which has not been paid back? Why won't banks just exchange that 'money' for treasuries? Their 'balance sheet' would not be affected. The fed has already juiced the system, the 'money' is just waiting to be securitized.

Someone tell me why this is wrong, because it seems to obviate much of the talk about QE3 (not that the effects won't be similar).

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 22:56 | 1823566 buyingsterling
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Come on, someone here understands this stuff. Is this $16 trillion irrelevant, and will it sit on the sidelines? If it's irrelevant, why hasn't it been returned? Thanks in advance.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 15:58 | 1822360 Smiddywesson
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If a 50% haircut can be called something other than a default, printing can be called something other than printing.  And they are doing a hell of a lot of not printing already (and that's just what we know about)

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:56 | 1821089 jcaz
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QE3 is already underway- the value of the Dollar tell you all you need to know....

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:58 | 1821101 abugarance
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why so mate? sure thing they will,

Fed's mandate: drive all americans to utter poverty, force savings rate to zero in order to fund food bills and petrol expenditure, keep yields on saving at zero so that everyone eats into capital

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:03 | 1821128 topcallingtroll
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PEOPLE SHOULDNT JUST AUTOMATICALLY HOARD THE MOST LIQUID ASSET OUT THERE UNLESS THEY LIKE BEING PUNISHED OR THEY ARE ESPECIALLY STUPID.

people should "save" in all sorts of financial instruments including bulk used books.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:39 | 1821002 GhostTrader
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So where is the top in this rally, guys?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:44 | 1821027 mayhem_korner
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If you denominate equities in gold or silver, you might ask "when's the hole in this boat going to get patched?"

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:00 | 1821109 rosiescenario
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.......you'd be waiting for the captain of this Exxon Valdez to sober up first and notice he was taking on water....

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:05 | 1821139 topcallingtroll
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I will consult Mr. Bollinger and let you know when.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:40 | 1821009 Captain Benny
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I still think that yesterday was an attempt to burn remaining shorts and bears before a big downside flush out in the coming weeks.  The rally was massive on nothing concrete and just another kick down the road.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:44 | 1821026 Mark123
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Are you saying that Unicorns are not concrete?  How dare you!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:47 | 1821040 Captain Benny
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France, Germany, and Greece all seem to believe in unicorns just like the Norwegians believe in trolls...  If you ask me, there is a troll hiding under this bridge coming up in November.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:18 | 1821200 JohnG
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Houblonmonstres.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:25 | 1821237 topcallingtroll
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You are behind the times.
We dont live under bridges any more,
and we are all hoping Santa comes early.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:42 | 1821015 undercover brother
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by hook or by crook, all downside movement and especially downside momentum must be eliminated from markets and anyone daring to report negatively, or actully short the markets, shall be punished to the full extent of the fed reserve bank.  so sayeth Bernankenstein.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:54 | 1821080 SheepDog-One
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Or so they want everyone to think that downside has been eliminated.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:42 | 1821017 Irish66
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China Construction Bank says Chairman Guo Shouing has resigned

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:47 | 1821044 jdelano
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whoa.  Really?  That doesn't bode well.  

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:50 | 1821058 Irish66
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can't wait to hear why

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 16:01 | 1822371 Smiddywesson
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To spend more time with his family no doubt

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:54 | 1821084 Irish66
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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-10-28/china-state-bank-chiefs-quit...

There is gonna be a great story about this.  I can feel it

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:03 | 1821126 rosiescenario
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.......buuuut Barton just told us China is just doing fine......Guo should have talked to Biggs before he took that step, obviously Guo doesn't know what is really happening....

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:42 | 1821018 Mark123
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Must, get, european, markets, to close green....dear God push those computers harder you son's of bitches!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:43 | 1821021 mayhem_korner
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What is the right-hand (EPS) scale - YOY change?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:50 | 1821055 FOC 1183
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Yes

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:53 | 1821071 mayhem_korner
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Thx

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:45 | 1821031 YesWeKahn
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Fire the mad man and end the mad bank.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:45 | 1821036 defn8Dog
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With quarter-end window dressing now the norm, I was wondering whatever happened to T+3?  By that measure, the Q ended on Oct 26, to allow for settlement, but in the last several quarters, it seems frantic trading happens right up to the last day of the month.  Are managers including those positions regardless of the settled date? 

Thanks, dfn8

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:09 | 1821419 Panafrican Funk...
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Opex seems to trump just about everything else regarding trading decisions at this point.  Weeklies/monthlies affect things much more than they did a couple of years ago.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 11:51 | 1821059 tliberty
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Thanks for the post. It's the snake eating its tail. One intervention leads to another, and so on and so forth. I think it is safe to assume that the State will intervene in the market whether or not it is "neccesary." It is like a kid in a candy shop that has knocked the shop owner unconcious.

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