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A Lesson For Europe: Why Iceland Won't Join The Euro

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In a brief but as usual succinct statement, MEP Daniel Hannan points out the country that decided to say no to establishment-rules and stuck to its guns by taking losses, devaluing its currency, and growing its way out of its pit of despair. The eloquent Englishman notes Iceland's current enviable position in terms of not just growth but Debt to GDP and proffers upon his European Parliamentarian peers that perhaps, just perhaps, there is a lesson in here for all European governments (cough Greece/Portugal cough). 67% of Icelanders are now against joining the Euro.

 


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Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:12 | Link to Comment tickhound
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Some-body's euro

Is crowdin' my ice-land,

While some-body's pimp-co

Is giving me chills.

Guess I'll just close my eyes..............

 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:18 | Link to Comment WALLST8MY8BALL
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SAY IT AINT SO! ICELAND IS A SMART BREAKER (AWAYER!)

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment lineskis
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Iceland FTMFW!

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 16:40 | Link to Comment MiddletonRobert3
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Tue, 03/27/2012 - 18:18 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Man I thought we were free from these idiot spammers here!

ADMIN! Please delete this spammer. If she's making 85$/hr on the computer, she's on Skype with an object up her twat.

 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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another Englishman (and member of the European Parliament) praising the beauty of having a small currency that can be devalued at will? nice, but quite quaint... how much has the british pound lost in value up to now? let's see how the UK is going to export it's way to growth...

hehehe... their fisheries emptied! hello? remember how icelandic fishers rammed british warships to keep the brits out of their waters? quite rich that a brit is turning the argument the other way round - the UK is pushing since long to find an "EU" solution to those pesky icelandic fisheries...

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:22 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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This is only to show how well the psy-ops operation of MSM misinformation can lead people to believe something that isn't true.

It's funny how Hannan has no thoughts on why the krona can't be viable and the Icelanders are looking for alternatives.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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The dollar... if I'm not mistaken.... only the one with some sort of bird on it.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yTwD7U_XV4

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 20:25 | Link to Comment dumbfounded
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Why can't it be viable ? Honest question btw.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 22:06 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Apparently, pumice and pickled herring are not good stores of value...

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:24 | Link to Comment pslater
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Ghordius, I think you miss the 'money creation' point.  If the banks create money at will for the purpose of impoverishing individuals and whole countries, why not tell the banks to f#$k off?  If the banks are stupid enough to loan Iceland 1,200% of their GDP, shouldn't the banks pay the price for their stupidity?  This (for the most part) wasn't some widow and orphan's money that Iceland defaulted on, it was an ocean of artificial capital created by the banks for the sole purpose of transferring your net worth to them.  For reference, check out the 'gold standard'.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:32 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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I am not missing the huge money creation by several countries. Still, that's standard practice for central banks - with the exception of the FED - to have other FX reserves (than gold), i.e. CB assets ready to be used to strenghten your currency in case it falls too low?

Of course the accumulation of FX reserves weakens your currency - that's what the Chinese have been doing, lately, in fact, everybody.

And you know what? At some time they will all reverse. Brace yourself...

And it was not Iceland that got the loans, it was Icelandic banks. That defaulted. And Iceland refused (rightly) to pick up the tab - against the wishes of London, btw.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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 let's see how the UK is going to export it's way to growth

 

It has cornered the market in repopulating the  Post-Indian-Nuclear -Attack Pakistan

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:49 | Link to Comment gaoptimize
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The British don't need to export their way to growth, they just need to export non-producing consumers. bnp.org.uk suggests many ways to improve the situation.

And BTW:  The spear point in that picture is not period in form.  Better is 3rd row, 3rd column at http://www.kultofathena.com/spears.asp .

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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A country with the highest entitlements can never export its way to prosperity. Must get everyone out of government dole first.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Confundido
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Well Ghordius, apparently you believe that under the Euro, value would not be lost...You seem to believe that under the Euro...money is not printed? Well, $213BN in bonds purchased under the Securities Markets Programme + more than a trillion in liquidity lines + billions in USD swaps from the Fed tell me you got it wrong...

At least, in Iceland, they stopped the bleeding. In Europe, it is only starting...

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:25 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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me? suggesting? the honorauble Mr. Hennan, not me! oh, yes, and arguably Mr. Tyler Durden...

of course the ECB is printing! China is printing like mad, the US is printing like mad and the ECB is doing everything it can to keep up

that's called a currency war - we are at the beginning and very often in the past they ended up nasty for small currencies

but I agree that Iceland did the right thing - which is not bailing out banks. somehow I've missed other actions

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 18:16 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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In the Old Days, the Brits Took What They Wanted.

Now the City has the American M/I Complex in its pocket to do the dirty work.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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BURN BITCHES!!!!!!! Iceland, the new freedom loving people... America is no longer number one... Iceland is.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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Go Iceland!

Bay of Pigs grandmother was 100% Icelantic....

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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Are the remaining 33% bankers?

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment tiwimon
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Nah, likley it is their 1%'ers as a portion of the 33% and the rest of the 33% are just clueless maroons - guess they have those the world over huh?

 

/who in their right mind would possibly want to be in a dead currency (wait, am I too early on the dead part? Sorry about that, thought they knew... )

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Rubbish
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No freedom down the toilet for me. Just carbs, can't afford meat and veggies.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment DarthVaderMentor
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Anyone know of any true pure Icelandic investment opportunities?I think ivestments there might be pretty stable and safe now.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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DarthVaderMentor

I thought there was a move toward tapping their geothermal energy. And didn't they offer a save data haven to everyone in the world sick of demineering intrusive governments?

So, probably energy and servers.

Oh and don't like 99% of Icelanders believe in Fairies? Not the Tom Cruise kind either.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment pods
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I would rather believe in fairies than the notion that our monetary system is for our benefit.

:)

pods

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment zuuma
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Close!

They don't believe in fairies, per-se.

Actualy, they beleive in Body Thetans. That's where Tom Cruise comes in.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Printfaster
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Thetans?

Is that where the Zero Hedge symbol comes from? Is Tyler a Thetan?

 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 16:13 | Link to Comment Uchtdorf
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Thetans? Is that like a male Thespian?

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 19:45 | Link to Comment neidermeyer
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I can't speak to investments but they have a great need for foreign men , they actually have an Iceland specific iPhone app that connects to geneology.com or ancestry.com and tells you how far apart (generationally) you are from that hot chick at the bar... They also have a custom that you don't marry until after your gf gives birth! I can find an investment opportunity/need to fill once I get there.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:21 | Link to Comment Archduke
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Kudos to iceland

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:23 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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schadenfreude - please don't take it from me... it's all I have left.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:58 | Link to Comment The Count
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Iceland is of no importance to the NWO. But I can assure you that if any of the EU countries tried a stunt like this the politicians would face ENORMOUS pressure to play along... Whatever happened to the Finns and their promise to say no to futher Greek bailouts? Hmm, dead silence.

I think even here most do not realize that the banking cartel has the power to topple entire governtments (don't believe that? who is running Italy now?), have people assasinated and worse.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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So does this mean that Iceland has just been declared an "Ask us of eevul" state?

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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....and the snakes will slither back in under darkness   -  probably DSK's next assignment after all the public flogging

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment zerotohero
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I was just in Iceland for a 2 day stop over - these people are very strong willed and have alot of pride. They are making the right choices and staying united in there decision to do the right thing and expect nothing from anyone else - they will succeed.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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It's a country of 300k, give or take.  There are approximately 100 us cities/urban areas that have larger populations than Iceland.  I say this not to dismiss anything, really.  In fact, perhaps all economic hubs should have their own currency... or not...or maybe we should have more compeition with respect to money... and more choice.  

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:49 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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isn't Iceland the capital of Eskimo or something?

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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I have a neighbor who is from Iceland.  I'll ask her.  When someone tells me that they are from Canada, I always like to ask, "where's that"?  After the awkward pause I'll add, isn't that in Minnesota or Wisconsin or something.  

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment TMT
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Within a state, cities should compete for business and residents.  With a country, states should compete much the same way.  The federal government should be a footnote.  That's how real economies work.  Unfortunately we don't have a real economy - we have a top down centrally planned corrupt system that is collapsing under its own weight.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:09 | Link to Comment WestVillageIdiot
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Isn't that what The War of Northern Aggression was all about? 

Mercantilism, bitchez.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Chump
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No it's not; things are going really well.  We're seeing organic growth and strong demand, and fundamentals are not only turning around, they're increasingly trending upward.*

*Whenever I compile all the reasons why our economy should already be dead, I get nothing but triple digit DOW gains and story after story from the "media" about the quickening recovery.  Maybe if I'm contrarian, the S will finally HTF.  If we see a flash crash or three in the next month or so feel free to thank me.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 18:01 | Link to Comment Likstane
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By not sarking, and admitting your contrarianistic causality, your responsibilty towards a continued non-fundamental increase in rehypothecated allocations only increases my misunderstanding of stated recovery hypothesis.

/sarc-off

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 20:41 | Link to Comment Chump
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Don't worry, I'll tell you when I spend my life savings on 50 shares of AAPL.  Then it's time to bug the hell out.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:20 | Link to Comment BobPaulson
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Ha, competition! Name one person on the global financial scene that really believes in competition. The oligarchs and plutarchs that run this little green ball pretend to favour competition as a trick to get countries to forfeit their sovereignty.

Only labour has to compete for nickels and dimes. Access to trillions of dollars and captial markets is obtained by arm twisting behind closed doors at the highest level. The Opium Wars were prescient of all trade that would come a century later after the nation state was rendered irrelevant.

The true genius of it is how they have brainwashed the suckers of the world to vote for it or not vote at all. The puppeteers know the one technology they must control is the science of psychology.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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The eloquent Englishman  .......raised in Peru

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:42 | Link to Comment bobola
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March 2, 2012 / ICELAND;  Applied for full membership: July 2009

Negotiations started: July 2010

The EU has opened accession talks with Iceland.

But Iceland's progress is threatened by a dispute over mackerel fishing.

Iceland objects to the EU and Norway taking more than 90% of the total allowable catch recommended by scientists. Iceland has increased its 2011 quota unilaterally by nearly 17,000 tonnes.

The European Commission is now considering an EU-wide ban on the sale of mackerel caught by Iceland.

Another sensitive area is financial reform, with Iceland still reeling from the collapse of its major banks in 2008.

In two referendums Icelanders have rejected compensation deals struck by their government with the UK and the Netherlands over savings lost by investors in the collapsed Icesave online bank.

The UK and Dutch governments want Iceland to reimburse the estimated 4bn euros (£3.4bn; $5.3bn) that they paid as compensation to Icesave investors. The dispute will delay Iceland's EU bid unless it is resolved.

According to Iceland's President, Olafur Ragnar Grimsson, assets from the collapsed bank Landsbanki will cover what is owed.

The European Commission says Iceland is already deeply integrated with the EU - it applies about two-thirds of EU laws - so it has less distance to cover than other applicants. But the EU is not offering any "shortcut".

Iceland is in the Schengen zone, meaning its people enjoy passport-free travel to many European countries. Iceland also applies many of the EU's single market rules.

The North Atlantic island, home to just 320,000 people, will not join unless Icelanders support it in a referendum. That could be held in late 2011 or early 2012, officials say.

The Icelandic krona has plummeted in value, but many Icelanders may still prefer to keep it. The fallout from Europe's debt crisis means the euro has lost some of its lustre since 2009.

Some Icelanders think they would be better off outside the EU, fearing the impact of EU regulations on their traditional fisheries and whaling.

Iceland's independence from continental Europe has provided fertile ground for Eurosceptics, and recent opinion polls suggest a strong "no" camp.

Icelandic membership would give the EU a more significant role in the Arctic - a region rich in untapped energy and mineral resources.

 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:00 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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Iceland has quickly restored confidence to their financial system by tracking down and prosecuting the bankers who were responsible for the Icelandic economic collapse. The Special Prosecutor in Iceland has arrested top executives from their largest banks and have also seized assets. Over 200 bank senior executives have been listed as suspects in an ongoing investigation. The Central Bank of Iceland is also being audited and is under criminal investigation. 

Meanwhile here in the U.S., Dept of Justice probes have led to zero arrests against financial executives. Their excuse has been that the burden of proof is too high and that it would be better to handle any financial misconduct through civil courts, via the SEC. Civilly, the standard for burden of proof is lower. Our federal law enforcement agencies are nothing but private protection details for the TBTF bankers.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:45 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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Aye, “…Icelanders are a shrewd and canny people with wisdom bred in the bone…”

 

Aye, it be trueth….they are Cheap Bastards also, if I may sayeth.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:46 | Link to Comment amarshall
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Iceland doesn't want to join the euro because they don't want European fishing boats with access to their groundfish stocks.  Iceland's economy is run by fish.  They don't want to share those fish.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:51 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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but they'll share their women for a dime or two

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:00 | Link to Comment The Count
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dude, stupidest remark ever on ZH.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:08 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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wow that's saying something - I'm now more curious about their women than ever

http://icelandreview.com/icelandreview/search/news/Default.asp?ew_0_a_id=272985

 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 18:04 | Link to Comment Likstane
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ever? come on man. I'm sure I have laid down half a dozen stupider than that.  Hell, Hulk throws one out there everyday; same with LV dave. 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 19:35 | Link to Comment Charles Bishop ...
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  On an expedition there once to excavate a few items that are proscribed under interstellar llaw , I had the opportunity to observe them in the wilds of Reyjkavik--six-foot, blue-eyed, tall blond goddesses who can drink like Marines on shore leave. Needless to say, I had several dozen put into coldsleep for the trip to Fiorina-147, in case you clowns are stupid enough to destroy the place while I'm gone.

 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment TMT
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"turn into a local authority chamber" ... brilliant words from a brilliant man.  That's exactly what's happened in the US - our states have become "local authority chambers" because the heavy-handed federal government has taken away all of their autonomy.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:02 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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The Hammer of the Gods will drive our ships to new lands

Fighting the hordes, singing and crying, Valhalla I am coming

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment slackrabbit
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"A Lesson For Europe: Why Iceland Won't Join The Euro"

Because they have:
A. Brains
B. Integrity
C. Don't banker c***
D. All of the above

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment OutLookingIn
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67% against joining the EU, and yet most are for Canada's loonie and using it as their currency!

Most Canadians seem to be positive about this. Negotiations are to follow, as are talks in China at the moment of a 'free trade' agreement with the Chinese.

Canada can read between the lines of the American dollar and see where it's headed - no-wheres-ville! So it's changing course and looking west and east rather then south.

Iceland did the right thing in telling the global banksters to "stick 'it' where the sun don't shine!"

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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Iceland would be really stupid to adopt Canadian currency, and lose the flexibility they now have.

A common view among really alert Canadians, is that Canada's quisling leaders are already sold out to the Americans ...

The Canadian government has signed 'security partnership' agreements with the US, enabling US troops to move into Canada when there is another 11 Sep. type 'terrorist incident', in order to 'protect' the Canadian oil fields and Québec's hydro-electric energy, under martial law.

Eventually I suspect it will be game over for Canada, when the US just waltzes in on some pretext ... terra-rists operating from Canadian bases or something ... the US wants all that tar sands oil.

The US invaded Canada twice before, and failed (last time was the Napoleonic wars, i.e., American 'War of 1812') and Canadian people don't want to be ruled by the US ...

But the Canadian government kisses US arse even worse than European ones do. It's not like the old days when Pierre Trudeau gave asylum to refugees from the US. Those days are over, and Canadian leaders are probably preparing the Anschluss-merger like Hitler with Austria.

 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 18:09 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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I think maybe it's the other way around: the Dictastor will want Canucks to come here and shoot Americans.

Open mic time: "Tell Vladimir KGB agent Zero will be free to act after my last election"

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 22:08 | Link to Comment zerotohero
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Tis sad but true - I am Canadian and our gov't is bent over and takin' it from the U.S. PTB - makes most Canucks sick but we are a very docile group here and pretty much lay down and take it up the arse - if the U.S. does move in and take Canada I'll buy a ticket to Iceland and hook up with the fine females there and procreate.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Dr. Kananga
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Off topic here, but isn't that Robert Plant holding the shield and spear in the blurb pic for this article? Is he singing the 'Immigrant Song?'

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment writingsonthewall
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BEWARE of the Iceland analysis

 

Whilst it does have growth following default, the model in Iceland is NOT the same.

 

It's self sufficient in energy - it only needs oil for fishing boats.

It's a tiny population - much easier for people to work together for stability - and to manage with the problems of default (high interest rates + high inflation)

It's population is also very united - due to the frequent disasters the volcanic island brings - they're more like a large community than a country.

They are politically neutral - i.e. they don't have the same political history as Germany, Greece, Spain or other EU countries. Defaulting on your debts doesn't bring out the 'old war memories' with your creditors.

They don't have internal splits - Compare Icelandic 'solidarity' to say...the Spanish situation which has a traditional basque split - a sore ready to be picked at in Economic hard times.

They have much more 'traditional diets' - relying less on imported foods.

 

Whilst it's important to note the positives from default - I believe the factors above all contributed to a rebound in growth from Iceland in a positive way - the same factors would apply negatively to most other EU (and indeed first world) economies.

 

Don't make the mistake of the Chicago boys - citing 1 example as the 'new rule'

 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment Puppet Hegemon
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...I will just add that they don't have any army and therefore don't waste any money on "defence".

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment granolageek
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Although they have a "Coast Guard" good enough to stand off the Royal Navy.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 18:06 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Hey, I wonder if it would be a country to escape to from the USSA?

Anyone lived there?

Thnx.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 03:31 | Link to Comment sherryw
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They're a bit short on trees.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:35 | Link to Comment pupton
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Hannan is the smartest man on that side of the Atlantic...

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 17:36 | Link to Comment Vlad Tepid
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You know what my favorite thing to do is?  Click on random YouTube links that have no explanation and no description in them just because the poster, some random idiot I don't care about, wanted to convey an idea without bothering elucidate it except with a YouTube link that has no explanation and no description.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 18:47 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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Danny Boy Hannan is good, great even, for a 1min 20sec video though spend some time following him on the Telegraph blogs and you soon realise familiarity (with his idealistic idiocy) breeds contempt

Like fellow Brit, Nigel Farage, and Yank Ron Paul, these 'libetarian' politicians grasp the right idea but do not understand the problem

They understand Big Govt is garbage but seem to think the sun will shine out of a smaller Govts arse

Wrong... and almighty crap problem solving (it's a political speciality)

Even the briefest of thought and smallest of research projects they'd come to the correct observational conclusion Govt of any and all sizes all display the exact same problemo's of corruption, incompetence and vandalism in both social and economic policies

Govt is the problem, not the solution (in any size, shape or form) ...but don't expect these turkeys to vote for Christmas (ie. they're a part of the problem too)

Stop Paying Your Taxes (don't feed the puppets)

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 20:25 | Link to Comment dumbfounded
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Congrats Iceland for NOT pulling an Ireland !

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 18:49 | Link to Comment honestann
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Only 67%???  Then 33% must have serious brain damage!

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