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Liquidity, Solvency, And Timing

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Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:20 | 1883720 Gubbmint Cheese
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Fear not.. Big Ben will come to the rescue.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:23 | 1883741 john39
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there is a difference between real magic and illusion...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:42 | 1884172 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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Of course he will, that's why I don't understand this: "The risk/reward at these spreads isn't deemed attractive."  The way the system works the risk is socialized and the reward is privatized.  WTF do the banks have to worry about?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:25 | 1883749 GeneMarchbanks
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Don't think Americans mind too much ... because it's time for another installment of... Whats Trending Now:

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Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:27 | 1883757 GeneMarchbanks
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'Maybe we should be worried the Fed knows something we don't about how bad it is and are trying this ploy again, because it is one of the few things they can do to help Europe?'

According to a poll I made up just for this post, Americans do not care.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:33 | 1883775 SheepDog-One
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Americans dont care, until reality suddenly smashes them in the face with a brick and then it will be too late anyway.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:42 | 1883828 pmcgoohan
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WE know how bad it is.

Someone tell the SPY

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:11 | 1883980 g speed
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Americans care way more than you realize--they just don't whine so much-but the truth is out there and the tide is building--

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:33 | 1883784 The trend is yo...
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don't forget the fucking kardashians.....the most annoying bitchez on the web

When Argentina fell apart, the populous was clueless, then one day all the banks are closed and no one can get to their money  UNTIL the currency is revalued much much lower.  That is what we should be looking out for in Greece when they are finally kicked out or willingly leave.  It will happen over a weekend or long weekend.


Thu, 11/17/2011 - 13:58 | 1887697 Nadaclue
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Cue Ferfal, the Argentinian who blogs about his surival through the Argentine Crisis and how he and his got through it.


BTW, he see's identical indicators again and thinks a second collapse of Argentina may be coming around the bend.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:26 | 1883753 Sancho Ponzi
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USA: Foreign currency liquidity swap lines for the Central Banksters, and food stamps for the serfs. 

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:27 | 1883756 wombats
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Ben should try spray-painting his new dollars with gold paint.  Maybe somebody will be fooled into thinking they are actually valuable then.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:13 | 1883994 g speed
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Already did that--look at the 20 on a twenty dollar bill

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:29 | 1883766 Sudden Debt
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Yeah... liquidity!


ps: We Europeans love you Americans! And not just for you're money! We Especially love the blonds with the D cups and Tight asses!!! YOU'RE WELCOME ANYTIME!!!


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:09 | 1883975 Raymond Reason
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Tight asses?  You've been watching way too much American TV.  You don't know how spoiled you are over there.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:29 | 1883768 SheepDog-One
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Even Gerald Celente got kornholed by MF Global....get your money OUT of the reach of these crooks! This will be happening more and more believe me!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:38 | 1884148 Seb
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Ha ha. Turd Ferguson (the guy who claims to fight the "Evil Empire" by buying gold and silver) also lost some money with MF Global. So much for following your own preachings.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:32 | 1883779 JSD
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Tyler. Off-topic...do you happen to have an updated list of bank holdings for EU soverign debt? You probably posted it and I missed it, but...thanks if you do!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:33 | 1883783 JSD
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I could have just said "Anyone". Apologies.

If Anyone could help out, that would be great. Thanks!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:27 | 1884066 11b40
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Try Reggie's blog....more than you want to know about European exposures of all types.  It's one of his favorite subjects, and he knows it beter than anyone else I have run across.



Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:35 | 1883791 Mark123
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Can some one please explain how these swap lines work between the fed and other central banks?  Where do these show up on the Fed balance sheet?


Oh forget it....who cares.  The new One World Order has won anyways.  Do we have to start wearing common uniforms now like in those science fiction movies?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:40 | 1883812 Vincent Vega
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Speaking of solvency...anybody noticed usdebtclock.org lately? We will hit $15T debt in about 2 hours.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:41 | 1883817 ebworthen
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Being provided credit when you can't pay your bills because you don't have sufficient income simply tightens the noose, or nudges the horse away from you, or both.

Decreased spending and increased revenue based upon organic growth is the only solution but unpalatable to profiteers and politicians who get bonuses, kickbacks, and contributions based on quarterly cycles.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:54 | 1883885 common_sense
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                                              =========    GAME   OVER    ==========

                                               =========    GAME   OVER    ==========

                                                =========    GAME   OVER    ==========

----------------                     PLEASE INSERT COIN               ---------------

----------------                     PLEASE INSERT COIN               ---------------

----------------                     PLEASE INSERT COIN               ---------------


*to get money, please contact our FED supervisor, berni bernike. thanks.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:54 | 1883887 Gringo Viejo
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Moved here in '72 and lived the California dream. It was a great place until the socialists took it down the shitter.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:54 | 1883891 BennyBoy
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01 EuroTrash Spreads

02 Greek defaulting on their default

03 Spanish Fly in the ECB ointment

04 Monti--Goldman's Boy In Rome

05 Greek PM Papademos hired Squid to cook books in 2001

06 Libor--Truth in Lending Rates

07 Pyramid Schemes made EZ--EFSF

08 Corzine spotted floating face down in East River

09 Monti forms new Italian govt with no politicians--GS alum only.

10 Bernanke's Beard Trimmings on Ebay

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 15:55 | 1883903 bernorange
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And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the markets sing the song.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:47 | 1884205 integrale
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Does anyone know if the ECB counts as a member of the "interbank market" in terms of setting LIBOR?  The official LIBOR-setting question is:

At what rate could you borrow funds, were you to do so by asking for and then accepting inter-bank offers in a reasonable market size just prior to 11 am?

If the ECB counts, the max answer anyone could ever give is 2% (ECB liquidity facility). If it doesn't, the sky's the limit:  if no one wants to lend to e.g. BNP Paribas, their borrowing rate could be way higher than 2%....

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 16:59 | 1884264 slewie the pi-rat
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Liquidity, Solvency, And Timing
  1. get drunk
  2. snort crank
  3. try to play golf
Wed, 11/16/2011 - 23:45 | 1885677 mick_richfield
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you had me at 'get drunk'

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 17:28 | 1884497 swani
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They are going to squeeze the tax payers of the world for all that they can get until they revolt. They will not take their medicine, they will not accept losses, they are criminals and they will stop at nothing. And since they have infiltrated all areas of government, even replacing the leaders of sovereign nations with central bank proxies, I don't see any hope. The Ponzi will continue for a while longer, the sheeple will be on the hook and forced to pay. The sheeple are getting wise and this could pose a problem but they have the Patriot Act to deal with that, maybe this is a good time for starting another profitable war of distraction.


Wed, 11/16/2011 - 23:49 | 1885682 mick_richfield
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And since they have infiltrated all areas of government, even replacing the leaders of sovereign nations with central bank proxies, I don't see any hope.

If the Perversion were on the verge of collapse -- what do you think it would look like?  Would it look weak and trembly?  Or would it look like -- this?



Wed, 11/16/2011 - 20:32 | 1885276 Mediocritas
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This is something that I've been banging on about for ages, good to see it being stated by Peter. This is not a liquidity crisis, it's a solvency crisis.

As Peter correctly points out, attempts to target liquidity do nothing unless it results in the real hot potato being traded away from the financial sector, and that hot potato is risk, both unrealized (eg, Greek debt) and already detonated (eg, subprime MBS with high defaults).

So what ends up happening is that insolvency trades hands. Sounds mad doesn't it? Who the hell wants to buy insolvency / commit financial suicide. Why, who else? The Fed!

It's the only option open. They can fuck around endlessly with rescue funds, bailout facilities, liquidity injection, etc, but ultimately, we end up in one place and one place only: central banks acquire all the insolvency and then they slowly print it away or sit on it for decades and allow governments to slowly tax it away. Either way, the write off ends up being paid for by general society, not the crooks who caused the mess. Unless societies are prepared to tolerate shocking and rapid debt/deflation, this is where we end up.

Meanwhile, that's just the central bank angle. How much justice we end up scrounging out of this depends on the ability of governments to eliminate corruption (ie eliminate lobbying by the FIRE sector). Obviously, given history, I'm not optimistic about the future of the USA, but there is still potential for something of a stick-save here, in theory existing regulations could be actually applied, older, better regulations could be reinstated (eg Glass-Steagall). If governments are going to tax society for decades to slowly bailout an insolvent central bank (rather than resorting to inflation), then there should be a heavy bias on taxing the shit out of the FIRE sector, to the point of eliminating it.

Is that likely to happen? No damn way. These parasites have burrowed in far too deep. I don't have any solution for this shit that doesn't involve the guillotine on Wall St.

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