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Local Elections 2012: Our Last Chance For A Political Solution

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt Market

Local Elections 2012: Our Last Chance For A Political Solution


There is little doubt, even amongst the most uninterested and apathetic of people, that America has reached the threshold of a dangerous new era in 2012.  Economically, the paper thin facade of recovery created by Federal Reserve fiat easing is beginning to fade, and the debt turmoil we currently see in the European Union is beginning to surface right here at home.  Socially, Americans are being subversively divided by the false left/right paradigm and the exploitation of artificially induced race tensions by the mainstream media.  Politically, Barack Obama’s presidential approval rating has hit all time lows, and the approval rating for Congress has hit a historic bottom.  The path our country has been set upon can only lead to disaster; that much is certain. 

One has to, at some point, begin to wonder if there is anything that can be done to turn back the tidal wave of impending crisis and encourage some modicum of reason in the midst of so much ignorance.  The ideal, after all, is to avoid the flames of the fire, rather than diving straight into them. 

In the Liberty Movement, there are as many particular solutions suggested as there are people.  Some desire to work within the system and apply Constitutional principles to government once again.  Others believe that the time has long passed for a regeneration of our original legal framework, and that the most we can do is ride out the inevitable deterioration of the U.S. with the goal of rebuilding after the smoke clears.  Each activist has his or her own unique vision as to how this might play out.  Personally, I do not see this as an ‘either/or’ proposition.  We should, as freedom loving individuals, pursue both avenues with equal determination and measure.

Even though I have always had considerable distrust of the political framework and have worked diligently to discover methods for change outside of it, I have to also take into consideration the astounding accomplishments of those who fight for liberty through electoral means. 

Ron Paul’s 2012 run in the Republican Primaries has been phenomenal, despite constant media blackouts one month, and attacks the next.  He is the only Republican candidate that draws actual crowds to his speaking events.  His delegates continue to pour in from numerous states, and the Republican National Convention slated for late August in Tampa looks to be the most exciting in a century or more.  His campaigns, in 2008, and this year, have inspired vast numbers of citizens to engage their communities politically.  Millions of people no longer sulking in a fog of nihilism.  Millions of people taking action who have never taken action before.  All thanks to Paul’s refusal to give up.

However, while I admire the national success of Ron Paul, I also realize that it is not enough to save our nation.  The ultimate fate of America in terms of politics will not be decided on the national level, but on the local level. 

It is within our counties and states that the line will be drawn between sovereign self determination, and centralized federal encroachment.  Unfortunately, many Americans completely dismiss local elections as meaningless or irrelevant, and not without reason.  The ‘Good Old Boy” syndrome has dominated local politics for decades, driving away sincere and honest candidates with subversive money games and trickery.  Politics has become a vicious theater of fakery and deceit, rather than a service done for one’s community or nation.  The political parties have homogenized around the ideals of globalization and collectivism, and it is almost impossible today to tell the Republican leadership apart from the Democratic leadership.  For the common voter, the whole edifice has been poisoned, and most would rather not participate at all rather than continue the farce of choosing the “lesser of two evils”.

I have always cringed at discussion of local elections, but I now understand that I, like many others, have been conditioned to do so.  Corruption succeeds where good men refuse to participate. 

I submit to you that there are indeed good men and women running locally for office, and that these candidates need your help to prevail.  I also submit that any success in local elections on the part of Constitutionalists makes the fight for a truly free America far easier in the long run.  To illustrate my point, I recently interviewed two liberty minded candidates right here in Montana who wish to set things right again in a system that has been left to rot for much too long…

Rollan Roberts – Montana Senate, District 3

Rollan’s story is a fascinating one, and it sheds a great deal of light on the working of the establishment machine.  I have met with Rollan on several occasions long before he decided to run for office, and was struck by his straightforward and sincere nature.  It is a quality that runs deep among liberty minded candidates, like Ron Paul, and these men very often exude a consistency of character that is hard to ignore.  I have always felt that elections should not be about the party, but the man.  The party is inconsequential.  The candidate is everything.

Rollan’s decision to run for the state senate was based entirely on a desire to bring the Constitutional ideal back to local government.  It was not based on a desire to become a career politician.  To be sure, this concept has confounded the state elitists among the GOP, who first were angered by his announcement to run for office, and then later tried to seduce him into the establishment fold. 

The state GOP responded to Rollan’s campaign initially by introducing a third candidate at the last minute by the name of Jayson Peters.  In my opinion, this was obviously designed to dilute the vote in favor of the neo-conservative incumbent, Bruce Tutvedt, a representative who, among other things, supports federal confiscation of private land for highly impractical wind energy programs, and sex education for Kindergartners (a little young yet for that, I would think, but maybe I’m behind on the times…) .  It is an example of the kinds of dirty tactics used in local elections all over the country, but to see it occurring first hand has given me a new appreciation for the vast obstacles that are put into place to frustrate new candidates and dissuade them from running for office at all.  Not only do honest statesmen face antagonism from the opposing party, but also from their own party if they refuse to accept the status quo.  Even during the training courses that the GOP provides for those who wish to run for office, Tutvedt approached Roberts with the intent to talk him out of running.  Indignantly asserting that he was already in good standing with the voters, and attempting to shame Rollan from further participation.  The problem is that Tutvedt was one of the INSTRUCTORS at the training course, which meant that his actions represented a clear conflict of interest.  These are the unkempt kinds of men who now occupy local political positions everywhere…

With Peters discovering he had little to no chance of winning, or even diluting the vote in Tutvedt’s favor, he dropped out.  Rollan, with the support of the massive Constitutionalist base here in Montana, and especially the Flathead Valley, has skyrocketed in support and now looks to be the favorite to win.  This development led to a new turn of events, which included certain establishment neo-cons approaching the liberty candidate with a different tone of pseudo-friendship.  Certain figures suggested to Roberts that he was more than welcome to run on his Constitutional platform, but that when all was said and done, he would have to “compromise” and work within the guidelines of the establishment ideal.  That is to say, he was welcome to say whatever he liked, but after he won, he would have to tow the establishment line. 

Rollan has refused to accept this dynamic.

Rollan Roberts is the kind of local candidate that Americans around the country need to be on the watch for.  Whether you believe that county and state elections will make a difference or not, our principles and our consciences demand that we give support where we can.  Each new liberty movement participant who takes back a seat of office from the elites is a shield against corrupt practices.  They sit at the root of the process.  Simply having an honest pair of eyes in such a position is a substantial advantage for the public trust, making dirty dealings behind the scenes more difficult, and giving back the right of participation to the lately disenfranchised masses.

Ben Stormes – Montana, Flathead County Commissioner, District 1

The exuberant Ben Stormes is a business-man by history and trade, but not the kind that sits in a conference room waiting for the bailout money to roll in.  He has always taken a more hands-on approach, experiencing personally the difficulties of organizing complex budgetary issues and reducing unnecessary expenses.  In government, such men are few and far between.

Stormes makes no bones about his position.  He is a Constitutional champion, a member of Oath Keepers, and a long time supporter of Ron Paul.  His plainspoken nature is refreshing, especially after listening to so many conmen candidates whose only foundation is to tell people what they THINK they want to hear (look into the Livingstone and Zinke campaign for an example of snake-oil style deceptive campaigning).  I was particularly floored by Stormes’ view on the advantages of the Commissioner seat in terms of insulating a community from federal mismanagement.  The Commissioner determines the budgetary policy and limitations of local law enforcement for one; which means that he can, indeed, put a stop to the flow of federal funding with strings attached.  The same federal funding which, for example, traps county officials into backing federal mandates against farmers through the EPA or the BLM.  The less a county is reliant on federal fiat, the better.

The Commissioner also has the power to force federal alphabet agencies to enter into a coordination process whenever they wish to take any action within the boundaries of a state, though, Ben notes, most county officials don’t even understand that they have such
authority.  A Constitutional candidate in such a position could put a stop to any federal overstep of authority within a county, and ensure that they act within the bounds of Constitutional law.  There is undeniable value in having a strong liberty minded individual in this seat in any jurisdiction.

Imagine a county commissioner who keeps federal goose-stepping in check, who encourages local law enforcement to honor their oaths to the Constitution, who is able to introduce programs that insulate counties from economic distress, like emergency food bank projects.  There are infinite possibilities for a community that has a commissioner that actually cares about the county in which he lives, instead of only caring about the amount of federal cash he can devour while shooting the breeze in a cushy government paid job. 

I can’t stress enough the importance of having a truly down to Earth and competent person in the commissioner’s role, and I view its significance as comparable to that of sheriff.  Think about it!  Living in a county in which you, a freedom loving citizen, never have to worry about being persecuted for your political philosophies by local authorities.  What kind of price could you put on that?  I can’t even quantify it…

Ben Stormes gives me the opportunity to hope for more in my county than a slow burn into tyranny.  His conviction makes being a Constitutionalist safer, and that is more than enough to earn my vote.

Rollan and Ben will run the gauntlet of primary elections on June 5th, and I wish both of them great success, for their advancement means the safety of the region I live in from overt tyranny.  I have little doubt given current developments that 2012 will be the last “normal” election year, without the shadow of national emergency, that we will see for a very long time.   It is a duty of every awake and aware person in the U.S. to find and back candidates like these two men regardless of where in the country they may live.  Be sure to check the records and background of those you vote for, instead of merely buying into their rhetoric.  A strange and ironic twist to the expansion of the Liberty Movement is the development of disingenuous Constitutional candidates.  Montana, in particular, is now rife with clowns pretending to be “guardians of freedom”.  The best litmus test is to examine their actions, and to take their podium blatherings with a grain of salt.  This is, at bottom, about honor.  Do they have it, or are they devoid of it?  If you are lucky enough to discover it within a statesmen who lives near you, do not take this lightly.  You have in front of you an opportunity that most Americans dream of.  Vote for that candidate in force, and do not let them go to waste.  The times ahead of us are going to be saturated with hardship.  As proponents of truth, we'll need every advantage we can get...


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Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:57 | 2396930 UTICA CLUB XX PURE

I didn't read it but I'm FIRST, I Think...

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:00 | 2396935 Pladizow
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"If voting changed anything, they would make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:13 | 2396991 comrade pravda
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In America your choice is limited to the "Coke" Party or the "Pepsi" party.  Same shit -- different can.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:17 | 2397004 jus_lite_reading
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>>"In America your choice is limited to the "Coke" Party or the "Pepsi" party.  Same shit -- different can."<<


And both cause cancer... a slow, painful death

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:22 | 2397026 The Big Ching-aso
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'Political Solution'.   Great.   Another oxycontinmoron.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:37 | 2397061 CvlDobd
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Coke has more of a bite and Pepsi is sweeter. I prefer Mountain Dew but I won't be one of the idiots to throw my vote away on a third party soft drink. I vote for Coke. Pepsi drinkers are idiots who are ruining the sugary drink market for million of future Americans. I support an invasion of the evil dictatorship of Brazil in order to ensure a stable stream of sugar for millions of future diabetics.

Coke in 2012!

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:41 | 2397083 Spastica Rex
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Actually, you might want to invade Iowa instead.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:52 | 2397126 CvlDobd
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I heard a peak sugar rumor about Iowa. Brazil isn't expected to peak until 2019.

As a LMT shareholder I am in favor of an Iowa air strike. An invasion of Iowa risks the lives of too many of America's bravest.

Update: I just watched a Facebook video on Cokes unfair labor practices so...

Pepsi in 2012!

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 16:32 | 2398154 hidingfromhelis
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They hate us for our high fructose corn syrup.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:51 | 2397119 kridkrid
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Very well done, sir.  I loved the invasion of Brazil.  The absurdity of our existence in 6 short sentences.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 13:02 | 2397381 A Nanny Moose
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And Hookers for Veep....oh not that coke.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 13:52 | 2397564 Race Car Driver
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> "I prefer Mountain Dew but I won't be one of the idiots to throw my vote away on a third party soft drink."

How about your health?

Mountain Dew Madness: What’s That Flame Retardant Doing in My Soda?

"There have also been a few cases of people needing medical attention after soda binges for skin lesions, memory loss and nerve disorders which are all documented symptoms of overexposure to bromine."

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 14:04 | 2397596 CvlDobd
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Dale Earnhardt endorses Mountain Dew. How can it be bad? You lose.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 16:04 | 2398009 dolly madison
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Coke has more of a bite...


I liked your comment so much I posted it to facebook.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 23:17 | 2398872 CvlDobd
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I'm honored.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:01 | 2397164 WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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"Government is the entertainment branch of the Financial Corporate Military Industrial Complex."


Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:04 | 2397757 preppin.for.the...'s picture

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury..."

"People go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage."

Guess which phase we're in?

Bullets, beans and boots, bitchez.


Fri, 05/04/2012 - 16:07 | 2398019 dolly madison
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury..."

It is not the voters that discover this.  It is the representatives who figure out that they can get elected this way.  If you look at what kind of laws come out of initiatives (people voting on issues, not representatives), giveaways don't happen.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 20:36 | 2398657 Cathartes Aura
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"Bullets, beans, boots, bitchez". . . and babies.

Brandon's backing the Right to Lifer, just sayin'


Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:54 | 2397138 KK Tipton
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Utica Club. Chugged a couple down in New Paltz!


Anyway....this is a *great* positive article.

Make sure you *elect* a good county sheriff. They are the *actual* law of the land.
Start there. Then follow up with the attitude in this article.

It CAN be done. Keep the "unkempt" from ever gaining office!
We got a lot of cleanup work to do here in the USSA.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:57 | 2396931 F. Bastiat
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The notion that left and right are somehow "equivalent" is absolute nonsense. Almost literally, they are night and day. Don't be fooled.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:42 | 2397086 Spastica Rex
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If that was subtle sarcasm, WELL DONE!

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:08 | 2397188 pods
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With a moniker of Bastiat, he better damn well be sarcastic!


Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:56 | 2396932 UTICA CLUB XX PURE

OK, now I'm reading it!


Fri, 05/04/2012 - 10:58 | 2396937 Theta_Burn
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To think all along we were just a good candidate or 2 away from hope and change..

Can it be argued that the only solution now is revolution?

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:32 | 2397040 CH1
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Can it be argued that the only solution now is revolution?

The great secret is that all we have to do is stop obeying them.

Rulers produce NOTHING. Everything they have - including all their weapons - they must procure with our goods and services.

If we stop playing their game, they are finished.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:00 | 2396940 russwinter
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 in a Gallup Poll Buddy Roemer scored 7% against Romney and Obama.  Besides unsettled politics, I think Roemer has some favorable name recognition now, so this is no longer just a blank "3rd party candidate". The challenge is going to be getting people actually engaged in campaigning for him, as opposed to showing poll support.  Gary Johnson also polls 6-7%.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:44 | 2397095 pods
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Ah, Buddy Roemer.  From his website:

America has always led in expanding freedom and democracy across the world.



Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:00 | 2396941 SDRII
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This just clipped from the facebook pitch.



Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:01 | 2396945 UTICA CLUB XX PURE

If not the whole article please at least read the 5th paragraph.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:01 | 2396948 Sudden Debt
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Free wellfare.... A viable future... Free wellfare....
I wonder what the lemmings will pick...

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:36 | 2397059 CH1
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Yes, but we are not all lemmings.

And those who do act like lemmings remain capable of returning to the life of men.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:01 | 2396951 Ted Baker
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Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:03 | 2396954 JailBank
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I am voting! I am voting by keeping my money in PMs and out of banks. I am voting by not holding massive amounts of debts. Oh an actual ballot vote? I am writing in Ron Paul no matter what.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:19 | 2397011 jus_lite_reading
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>>"I am writing in Ron Paul no matter what."<<

We all are brother. TPTB have been exposed for what they are and will do ANYTHING to keep RP off the ballot...

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:38 | 2397288 azusgm
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Better make sure he makes it onto the ballot. Write-ins might not be tabulated. And yes, I am serious. It happened in 2008.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:54 | 2397350 kralizec
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Let me get this right...and up front let me say I am no fan of getting stuck with "the lesser of two evils" nor did I support Romney in my primary...but having a tantrum and voting for someone who has zero chance of winning and who can only help get the absolutely undeniably disastrous Obama back in office is grossly negligent, foolish and stupid.

Likewise this author naively thinking that somehow getting local officials of his liking elected can somehow stop an even more maniacal Obama Regime from shoving changes down to local levels is simply mind-boggling.

Temper tantrums are for children, equating anybody as being "just as bad" or "almost as bad" as Obama is juvenile and insulting to anybody with a functioning cerebral cortex.

But I understand the pathological flaw in hardcore Ron Paul supporters that allows them to rather see complete societal meltdown over trying to do something achievable, just to be able to say "I told you so"!

Some predictions come true if you want them badly enough.  But don't worry, it's not your fault, it's all those boogeymen out there, yeah, they made me do it!

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 13:35 | 2397491 JailBank
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The give up logic is awesome. Yes I would rather stand for something then continue to fold becuase teh Democrat and Republican parties are not living up to even an inkling of standards of decent conduct. Yes I would rather write in a vote for a person that seems to be able to speak as an adult and not in talking points provided by the latest poll or what is trening on Twitter. Sir you call my attitude a tantrum, and I would say you have given up.

What kind of story would The Shawshank Redemption be if Andy let the Sisters ass hammer him and jsut said eff it this is the best I can do. That is you the ass hammered Andy Dufrense.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 16:44 | 2398205 Lednbrass
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That you think there is any substantial difference beyond rhetoric shows that you have no functioning cerebral cortex. The only thing "acheivable" with Romney is the same crap we have now- excessive spending and overreaching government programs and a federal government lead by a spineless metrosexual ivy league twerp.

Romney records on state deficit spending, judgeships, gun control, and the role of government is not one iota of an improvement no matter how much you wish otherwise and lie to yoruself. Shoot your TV and smash your radio, they have rotted your brain.

Kralizec indeed, you should have chosed "Teapot Tempest" as a handle. Clearly you are a fan of a supposedly lesser evil despite protestations to the contrary, you are such a dependable sucker that guys like you get manipulated by the repub establishment election after election then you wonder stupidly how things got where they are.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 14:49 | 2397704 DosZap
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Not that I could not WISH more fervently for Ron to be elected(as I have contributed financially to him several times), no matter the stench of Romney, a vote for PAUL, barring a miracle at the convention guarantees a dictatorship here, and likely a civil war, or a civilan murder fest & round up.

 If I thought for one second voting for Ron would help anything I WOULD.

While I am with you in sprirt, the sad truth is for America to have a chance to  survive we must get rid of whats breeding now in the peoples house.

HE must be removed,or we're most likely all going to wind up dead, Real slaves or fighting a war that will destroy us all.

And, sadly a vote for Paul, is a vote for what we have now.

Ross Perot all over what it will do.



Fri, 05/04/2012 - 16:08 | 2398027 Lednbrass
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Perot's candidacy was a good thing.

Bush 1 was a big government extablishment repub, party members cant get over the idea that they lost BECAUSE OF BUSH, not Perot. Its entirely wrong to think that somehow everyone who voted Perot would have voted for that gutless deficit spending government growing weasel. Actually during Clinton the repubs got slightly serious about reducing spending for awhile, with Bush 1 in the WH the binge would have continued unabated.  Its a shame that the useless Republican party only takes their supposed small government principles seriously when in opposition, but this is their track record in the real world.

This election is a choice between two big government metrosexual scumbags, the only difference between the two is skin pigment.  Debt in Massachusetts went up almost as much under Romney as it does now under Obama, he appointed crappy judges as Head Masshole, and doesnt like the 2nd Amendment.

Fuck Romney, hes a contemptible maggot. With BO around at least the repubs will oppose alot and throw sand in the gears if for no better reason then he wears the other team jersey. Our best hope is for a divided, paralyzed federal government, they screw things up at a slower pace when its gridlocked.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:05 | 2396961 chunga
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Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:48 | 2397322 Urban Roman
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Linda Green for treasurer. 

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:08 | 2396967 Sauk Leader
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This will never happen. Unions have more control over local elections, in illinois they charter buses to the voting booths to make sure they all vote for the cronies. In Wisconsin they are pumping millions to recall Walker. The result is the rest of us vote with our feet. We move, its not that hard for some to leave a city, county or sometimes a state. Look at Detroit. They simply stepped aside and let it burn.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:31 | 2397039 farmerjohn2112
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From my chair (in the Northwoods of Wisconsin) recalling Walker has little to do (anymore) with union-busting or being a dick. We were told and promised that he'd create 250k new jobs (Wisconsin's OPEN FOR BUSINESS) and so far are down 25k for his year in office. It has to do with losing the trust of the electorate through 'good old boy' cronyism and backroom deals to shove his meaningless social agenda down our throats.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 13:21 | 2397437 Sauk Leader
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Oh I see, could you send him to Illinois then please. Shouldn't we then recall every politician for failing to meet a promise? I'll see you up north in July. Are the smallies biting early this year?

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:09 | 2396978 SDRII
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VOA: Indias-High-Gold-Consumption-Hurts-the-Economy



Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:16 | 2396998 jus_lite_reading
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I didn't read the whole article. I read "There is little doubt, even amongst the most uninterested and apathetic of people, that America has reached the threshold of a dangerous new era in 2012." and stopped there. 

We would all like to think that enough sheeple will wake up and bring about the change needed to put America back on the right path before its too late but the truth of the matter is, the real change won't come about until its too late... TPTB want to stay TPTB and they have been preparing for what is coming...

Yes, I'll vote for Ron Paul. Yes, I'll do everything I can to help people wake up. Yes, I'll continue to enjoy watching TCM in my spare time for entertainment and sipping from my 40 year collection of the finest scotches. Yes, I hope justice, liberty and sanity return to the USA but I know we are past the point of no return. Sorry to kill anyone's aspirations for a wonderful future... I mentioned this to my two sons a while back and they both basically said to me "dad, you're preaching to the choir!"

My generation still had something to look forward to and those were indeed great times... 


Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:18 | 2397005 Rubbish
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I think once the people see and HEAR Ron Paul at the Republican convention it will ignite a ground swell of we gotta have this, NOW !

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:34 | 2397049 CH1
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I thnk you over-estimate the Republican convention.

RP is a great man, but the GOP does NOT want him. It is time to stop pretending that they ever will.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:42 | 2397081 Rubbish
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I think you are under-estimating the support for the man. I never said he would win the nomination but what I do know, is even if he doesn't run as a third party (I'm not convinced of yet) he will be written in on the ballot at the very least and steal a whole bunch of popular vote. So much so, it will once and for all show just how fucked up we are here.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:36 | 2397280 CH1
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it will once and for all show just how fucked up we are here.

With that, I shall be most pleased.


Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:42 | 2397058 Mercury
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Socially, Americans are being subversively divided by the false left/right paradigm and the exploitation of artificially induced race tensions by the mainstream media. 

 Things are breaking down as follows: public employees + net beneficiaries of government funds vs. everyone else. Salt with against-the-grain ideologues to taste.  Left/Right makes sense to the extent that it overlaps with this.


I'd like to see a muni experiment with revoking muni public employee's right to vote.  It sounds harsh but in many places seasonal residents can't vote AND pay special, higher property tax rates.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:48 | 2397102 Jim in MN
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Republican National Committee threatens to ban entire Nevada delegation if 'too many' Ron Paul supporters are 'allowed' in.

Add to the 'secret' Minnesota win, the 'secret' Iowa win, the Maine fiasco, etc. etc.

Paul could have over 200 delegates in Tampa, definitely over 100.  He may control (AKA 'win') several state delegations.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:48 | 2397107 Bill - Yes That Bill
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Listen... there's no hope.


If we're looking for a Vince Flynn scenario...


The day Boehner, McConnell, Reid, Pelosi, and Biden are all "taken out" within the space of 60 seconds is the day when I'll once again hold out "hope" for "change."

Until then...


Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:53 | 2397130 koaj
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the ron paul people have taken over alaska, nevada, north dakota, iowa, and washingtons state and probably a few more


where i live in the peoples republic of new jerseystan, i am running for national delegate and gop country committeeman. actually there are a lot of us doing the a lot i mean 100-200 up and down the state


i am getting involved in government to abolish it

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:39 | 2397292 CH1
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i am getting involved in government to abolish it

Then do it flat-out, pedal to the metal, no comprimises.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:54 | 2397134 GottaBKiddn
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Article on  wishful thinking.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:55 | 2397139 onlooker
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VOTE smart as you can in all elections. True that all politics start at the local level, but the throne of the Empire within the White House has the big hammers. Among these are the economy/employment/debt, the Military usage, the micro/macro controls of our daily lives via agencies and more odious lately--- Home Land Security.


Vote and vote smart.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 11:58 | 2397148 TruthHunter
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Until election software is open source, you stand a better chance

of a free election in Nigeria.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:01 | 2397163 lolmao500
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Yep. After that, it'll be collapse and war in the streets.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:21 | 2397229 rodocostarica
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I agree with the author. Us Paulbots are all over the country running for local offices. Many will lose. Some will win. As time goes on the revolution will grow stronger as we have seen the cycle with Ron Paul now going to carry possibly five states or more to get his name in nomination at the convention.


Millions are working hard and donating to help take back the country and put it back on course.



Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:25 | 2397237 lolmao500
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Romney loses to Ron Paul in his own state

RNC warns NV : don't let Ron Paul win or else

Even with the big black out on Paul, he's still winning!

Ron Paul is the last chance at a peaceful solution before it all comes apart.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:35 | 2397273 Not Too Important
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And I submit to you, with SCYTL it doesn't mean shit.

It's the 'peaceful solution' part that might be a problem. Now, about those Russians in Colorado . . .

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:38 | 2397291 AurorusBorealus
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The baby-boomers do not want Paul.  The welfare / SSI crowd does not want Paul.  The teacher's unions do not want Paul. The prison guards do not want Paul.  The Fraternal Order of Police do not want Paul. No one who works in a government office wants Paul.  No one in healthcare wants Paul.  No one who does make-work stimulus jobs for a Department of Transportation wants Paul.  No one at any university wants Paul.  No one in real estate wants Paul.  No lawyers who procur government benefits for everyone else wants Paul.  Who is left?  The productive few.

You delude yourself thinking that this American democratic mob will see reaon and act in a responsible fashion.  Mobs do not do that.  Mobs follow the latest fashionable thing and trample all over the rights of the minority.  Democracy will not save you.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:42 | 2397303 CH1
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The baby-boomers do not want Paul.  The welfare / SSI crowd does not want Paul.  The teacher's unions...


The only people who want Ron Paul are the productive. And it's time for the producers to unchain themselves from the parasites.


Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:58 | 2397364 smb12321
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As a Ron Paul 2008 national worker I can testify that it is not only unions, the NPR crowd or baby boomers who dislike Paul.  It is mainline Republicans.  They hear the MSM constant BS of "gold bug" or "support for drugs and gay marriage" or "think we deserved to be attacked."  When I point out that he is the only veteran and draws the majority of military support, it's "well, he can't win anyway."  (Unfortunately true)

Tyler X was partially right.  In the past, the way to go was the ground up but in the last few decades local authority has greatly diminished as power becomes centralized in DC. I'm in the school waiting for the long goodbye.  There is nothing we can do to stop the financial disaster rapidly building up around us.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 13:44 | 2397530 spooz
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Disagree on who you think "doesn't want" Paul.  I believe most people who think a more libertarian, less authoritarian form of government has a better chance of providing us with a sustainable future would vote for Paul before Obamney. Many believe Paul could put the brakes on the crony capitalism and creeping fascism that both parties represent .  I know plenty of people in most of your categories who would. The thinking for many progressives is get rid of the corruption first, work out the social stuff later. Don't underestimate the power of disenfranchised voters if they are ever given a choice.


Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:05 | 2397758 azusgm
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I am a baby boomer and a registered nurse. I want Ron Paul. I voted for him in the primary in 2008 then wrote him in at the general election. My boomer siblings want Ron Paul. Don't tie up all the boomers in the same ribbon.

Unfortunately, too many boomers have swallowed the line about a vote for Ron Paul being a vote for Obama. The lack of enthusiasm for Romney could be a treatment for insomnia. The only saving grace is that Obama is losing the votes of yellow dog democrats here in Texas. Obama may defeat himself.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 12:53 | 2397326 NuYawkFrankie
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So -let me get this straight - on top of everything else,we've all gotta start worrying our asses off about who's running for Commissioner in Flathead County, Montana?

If the county name is indicative of the inhabitants, I'm afraid they might just be beyond help - regardless of who the new Comm. is.


Fri, 05/04/2012 - 13:00 | 2397372 Jay
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This is a fine article. I agree with the author that corruption succeeds where good men refuse to participate and I see too many good men do nothing with a "let it burn" attitude to the growing fascism of our government. History doesn't show us that liberty necessarily rises from the ashes of governmental and fiscal collapse. Usually, much worse institutions and more hardship arise. I will open my wallet to support Ron Paul and any other liberty minded candidates. I'll donate my time as well.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 13:07 | 2397393 roadhazard
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I'm off the grid politically starting this election. I have given a damn for too long to get nothing in return and I'm tired of hitting my head against the wall. Y'all have fun.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 14:10 | 2397608 q99x2
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Leopold de Rothschild, who has died aged 84

one down

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 15:13 | 2397771 W10321303
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And Obama says, "How about a song, and a dance?"

"Barack Obama remains an icon to many on what passes for the left in America despite incontrovertible evidence that he does not represent their interests. There are many contributing factors, including his considerable skills as a speaker and his programmatic effort to neuter liberal critics by getting their funding cut.

A central component of the seemingly impenetrable Obama mythology is his personal history: a black man, son of a broken home, who nevertheless got on the fast track to financial success by becoming editor of the Harvard Law Review, but turned instead to working with and later representing a particularly disadvantaged community, the South Side of Chicago.

Even so, this story does not quite add up. Why did Obama not follow the usual, well greased path of becoming a Supreme Court clerk, and seeking to exert influence through the Washington doors that would have opened up to him after that stint?

A remarkable speech by Robert Fitch puts Obama’s early career in a new perspective that explains the man we see now in the Oval Office: one who pretends to befriend ordinary people but sells them out again and again to wealthy, powerful interests – the banks, big Pharma and health insurers, and lately, the fracking-industrial complex.

Fitch, who died last year, was an academic and journalist, well regarded for his forensic and archival work, as described by Doug Henwood in an obituary in the Nation. He is best known for his book Solidarity for Sale, which chronicled corruption in American unions, but his work that is germane to his analysis of Obama is Assassination of New York. In that, he documented the concerted efforts by powerful real estate and financial interests to drive manufacturing and low-income renters out of Manhattan so they could turn it over to office and residential space for high income professionals.

Fitch gave his remarkable speech before an unlikely audience at an unlikely time: the Harlem Tenants Association in November 2008, hard on the heels of Obama’s electrifying presidential win. The first part contains his prescient prediction: that Obama’s Third Way stance, that we all need to put our differences aside and get along, was tantamount to advocating the interests of the wealthy, since they seldom give anything to the have-nots without a fight.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 16:07 | 2398021 q99x2
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Invert the Pyramid. Ron Paul for President.

Fri, 05/04/2012 - 21:11 | 2398719 jwoop66
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False left/right paradigm meme.   So the Tea Party and the Democrat party are the same?  There is no difference between statists and free marketeers?  It's just the man putting these thoughts in our simple little heads.   We should all give up then...

But Ron Paul will magically make a difference.  Oh, and what I could get through in this article, some local montana politicians are the real deal.  


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