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Lockhart Hints At More QE: "No Policy Option Can Be Ruled Out At The Moment" And "Slow Growth Bigger Problem Than Inflation"

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Yesterday it was Evans saying explicitly it was QE3 or bust. Today it is Lockhart's turn to stop just short of reiterating what is now getting prices in every single day: "As you know, the FOMC stated after its last meeting the intention to keep the policy rate at near zero for two more years. Also, the current policy is to maintain the Fed's balance sheet scale for the foreseeable future. I support this position. Given the weak data we've seen recently and considering the rising concern about chronic slow growth or worse, I don't think any policy option can be ruled out at the moment. However, it is important that monetary policy not be seen as a panacea. The kinds of structural adjustments I've been discussing today take time, and I am acutely aware that pushing beyond what monetary policy can plausibly deliver runs the risk of creating new distortions and imbalances." He is aware, yet he will gladly vote for it when the time comes. And the time will come very soon because as he just said during his speech Q&A, "slow growth is now a bigger problem than inflation"... which as we showed yesterday is 4%, and "that we have a jobs crisis." Net net: one more dove doing what he does best - beg for more inkjet cartridges.

From the Atlanta Fed chairman

Deleveraging in Today's U.S. Economy

Dennis P. Lockhart
President and Chief Executive Officer
Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta

Greater Lafayette Chamber of Commerce
Lafayette, La.
August 31, 2011
Key Points

  • While acknowledging that downside risks to the recovery have increased, Lockhart expects a modest cyclical recovery to proceed. In his view, a number of necessary structural adjustments are holding back economic growth in this recovery. One of the major adjustments is deleveraging.
  • In Lockhart's opinion, it is necessary that the process of deleveraging plays itself out, which may take several more years. While the private sector has made progress in lowering its debt burden over the past two and a half years, government debt has surged. So for the economy as a whole, debt relative to GDP has barely changed over the period.
  • Lockhart believes that policy must continue to help the economy achieve a healthy enough cyclical recovery, while at the same time recognizing the long-term need for directionally opposite structural adjustment, including deleveraging. The test policymakers must step up to is balancing short- and longer-term needs.
  • Lockhart is comfortable with the current stance of monetary policy. However, given the recent weak data and considering the rising concern about chronic slow growth or worse, he does not think any policy option can be ruled out at the moment. But in his view it is important that monetary policy not be seen as a panacea. Structural adjustments take time, and Lockhart is acutely aware that pushing beyond what monetary policy can plausibly deliver runs the risk of creating new distortions and imbalances.

The country is in the ninth quarter of a disappointing and frustrating recovery. We at the Fed were hopeful of (and many private forecasters envisioned) a modest version of a classic bounce back after a recession. Yet, over the past four quarters for which there are growth measurements, the economy has grown at only a 1.6 percent pace. If the economy's potential for growth is a pace of 2.5 percent, as many economists believe, then slack in our economy is rising even though we are technically in recovery.

The unimpressive recovery is evident in the U.S. labor market. In July, the national unemployment rate stood at 9.1 percent—a percentage point below its peak, but three-tenths higher than it was last March.

This sluggishness has been blamed on a variety of temporary and more persistent headwinds. That's the term often used to describe forces that are impeding growth. Since the recession ended and expansion resumed, certain underlying "structural" (or more long-term) headwinds have been recognized, but these factors were taken as reasons postrecession growth would clock in at a moderate rate in the range of 3 to 4 percent per annum instead of a much more robust rate typical of a rebound from deep recession.

Very recently—with the incoming data of the last few weeks—awareness of and attention to the deeper long-term impediments to growth have become more acute. There is rising concern the U.S. economy may be facing a longer period of very slow growth because of more intractable structural forces in play. These deeper impediments to growth imply structural adjustments in the economy that may take years to accomplish before the economy achieves full and well-balanced health.

In my view, there are three likely protracted and interconnected adjustment processes of significance. They are 1) deleveraging (that is, the reduction of total debt levels in our economy), 2) fiscal adjustment, and 3) financial system repair. In addition, the accumulating pressure of an aging population will affect labor force participation and output potential.

In my remarks today, I want to focus particularly on the first of these—deleveraging, the process of debt reduction by households and businesses. I will review how this process of deleveraging has affected the economic recovery to date. I will offer a forecast for the remainder of 2011 and 2012. And I will share my views on the role of monetary policy in the context of growing concern that we're facing the prospect of a long period of slow growth.

As always, these are my personal views and may not be shared by my colleagues on the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) or in the Federal Reserve System.

Before I get into a discussion of the outlook in light of the ongoing process of deleveraging, let me pose what I think is a key economic outlook question, and that is how well can we expect the economy to perform (we can call this cyclical performance) while these profound structural currents run their course?

So now let me review the state of the economy at this juncture and the near-term outlook.

Economic outlook
To repeat, after a severe financial crisis and a recession, the economy began to grow again two years ago. The recovery has been uneven. Initially, growth came back strongly, boosted by inventory rebuilding and strengthening private sector activity. Last summer, however, the recovery started to weaken and has slowed markedly this year. Temporary factors, such as spiking commodity prices and supply chain disruptions related to Japan's natural disaster, held back economic activity earlier this year. But the slowdown cannot be explained by those factors alone. Over the past few quarters, the recovery has lost dynamism, and downside risks to growth have risen notably.

Consumer spending, which accounts for approximately 70 percent of total demand, grew very modestly in the first half of the year. Higher cost of living and the weak labor market are likely to have discouraged consumers from increasing expenditures. The consumer spending numbers for July were a bit higher than expectations, but still not at a level that would make for a robust recovery.

The depressed state of the housing market has also discouraged consumption. The stream of foreclosures is contributing to a high inventory of homes for sale and keeping downward pressure on home prices.

Slow improvement in the labor market has been particularly disappointing. Job growth remains too low to bring down the unemployment rate, which remains above 9 percent. People in all age groups continue to leave the labor force, and the employment-to-population ratio is now at its lowest level in over 25 years.

In response to a slew of weaker-than-anticipated data, most forecasters, including the Atlanta Fed, have revised down gross domestic product (GDP) projections for this year and next.

Although the overall picture has worsened, there remain pockets of strength in the economy. Business investment is growing, in part supported by low financing costs. Export growth also remains solid as economic expansion continues in our major trading partners.

Positive news is coming from the oil and gas industry, especially here in Louisiana. Business contacts in the region have been reporting an influx of fabrication work and backlogs in orders for pipelines, supply boats, and drilling equipment. In Lafayette, employment in the energy sector has increased, providing a big boost to the local economy.

On a national level, the negative effects of the unusual forces that restrained the economy in the first half of this year have diminished. For example, auto production that was disrupted by shortages of supply parts from Japan has bounced back. Also, inflationary pressures seem to be in check as prices of many commodities have come off their peaks.

While the risks have increased, I do not expect a recession. In my view, there is sufficient fundamental strength in the economy for a modest cyclical recovery to proceed while the process of necessary structural adjustments moves along. I believe the unemployment rate will come down very gradually over time.

Now I am going to talk about one of the major structural adjustments that is holding back the recovery—deleveraging. Deleveraging is a process of reducing the debt burden of a household, a business, or a government. It has proved to be a potent force that has reduced the economy's ability to heal quickly after the last financial crisis and the ensuing recession.

Background on deleveraging
Debt is not in and of itself a bad thing. Debt supports economic growth by allowing households, businesses, and governments to smooth their spending and investment over time. Borrowing and lending can help facilitate the allocation of capital to productive uses in the economy. But high debt levels can also result in lower economic growth, a point that Stephen Cecchetti, of the Bank for International Settlements, made in a paper presented at the Kansas City Fed's symposium in Jackson Hole, Wyo., last week.

Relative to the size of the U.S. economy measured in terms of GDP, the total domestic debt of nonfinancial sectors of the economy reached 248 percent in 2009, increasing by almost 75 percentage points over the previous decade alone.

So let's take stock of how we got to this point. Much of the growth in debt over the last decade was in the form of real estate debt of households. During the 1990s the amount of outstanding mortgage debt of households was relatively stable at around 45 percent of GDP, but from 2000 to 2007 household mortgage debt increased to almost 75 percent of GDP.

As long as home prices were rising, the increasing debt burden of households was not particularly problematic. But the level of household debt turned into a drag on the economy once home values began to drop. According to the Case-Shiller price index, home values have declined by over 30 percent since their peak in 2006.

Deleveraging across sectors
Declining home values along with rising unemployment set in motion a process of deleveraging by the household sector. Household deleveraging has occurred mostly through a combination of increased savings, debt repayment, and also debt forgiveness. At the same time, there has generally been less access to credit for households as a result of stricter underwriting standards. The inability to qualify for home equity loans and other forms of credit has slowed the pace at which new debt is taken on by households replacing paid-down debt. The effect is to reduce their debt burden over time. From its peak in 2009, total household debt has declined to around 90 percent of GDP (the lowest level since 2005), and the household savings rate has risen to about 5 percent.

Debt in the nonfinancial business sector also increased over the last decade, reaching an historical high of 79 percent of GDP in 2009. By the first quarter of 2011 nonfinancial business debt had declined to about 73 percent of GDP. To give you a point of reference, nonfinancial business sector debt becomes a drag on economic growth after it increases to above 90 percent of GDP, according to Stephen Cecchetti's estimates.

In contrast to reductions in debt by households and businesses, government debt has surged, increasing from about 50 percent of GDP prior to the recession to around 80 percent in the first quarter of this year.

Deleveraging going forward
For the economy as a whole, debt relative to GDP has barely changed.

While the private sector—households and businesses—has made notable progress in lowering its debt burden, discussions of how to reduce public debt have only just begun. The government still needs to introduce major policy changes to put public debt on a sustainable path. Demographic trends, which I referenced earlier, will make public debt reduction even more challenging.

It is necessary that the process of deleveraging plays itself out, which may take several more years. When economies are deleveraging they cannot grow as rapidly as they might otherwise. It is obvious that as consumers reduce spending they divert more of their incomes to paying off debt. This shift in consumer behavior increases the amount of capital available for financing investment. But higher rates of business investment are not likely to fully offset weakness in consumer spending for some time, as businesses continue to grapple with uncertainties about the future.

As I said, rebalancing simply takes time. A 2010 report by McKinsey surveyed 32 international periods of deleveraging following financial crises and found that, on average, the duration of these episodes was about six and a half years. U.S. debt to GDP peaked in the first quarter of 2009. By that standard we are much closer to the beginning than the end of our deleveraging process.

Role of monetary policy
To my mind, it's becoming increasingly clear the challenge we policymakers face is balancing appropriate policy responses for the near to medium term with what's needed for the longer term. In other words, we must continue to help the economy achieve a healthy enough cyclical recovery, especially with unemployment high and consumer spending lackluster. At the same time, we must recognize the longer-term need for directionally opposite structural adjustments, including deleveraging.

To support the recovery, low interest rates and ample liquidity help to encourage spending by consumers and businesses. Because this is an aim of policy in the near term, Fed economists, like those in the private sector, watch with intense interest the monthly data on consumption and surveys of consumer confidence. But at the same time, there's broad acknowledgement that policy must support the long-term rebalancing required to sustain our economic health. Finding the right path through these seemingly conflicting pressures is challenging.

The situation brings to mind a quotation from F. Scott Fitzgerald's 1936 article titled "The Crack Up." He said "the test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." In a way, that's the test we policymakers must step up to in balancing short- and longer-term needs.

Against that backdrop, I would characterize the stance of monetary policy at this time as accommodative. As you know, the FOMC stated after its last meeting the intention to keep the policy rate at near zero for two more years. Also, the current policy is to maintain the Fed's balance sheet scale for the foreseeable future. I support this position.

Given the weak data we've seen recently and considering the rising concern about chronic slow growth or worse, I don't think any policy option can be ruled out at the moment. However, it is important that monetary policy not be seen as a panacea. The kinds of structural adjustments I've been discussing today take time, and I am acutely aware that pushing beyond what monetary policy can plausibly deliver runs the risk of creating new distortions and imbalances.

We may find, as economic circumstances evolve, that policy adjustments are required. In more adverse scenarios, further policy accommodation might be called for. But as of today, I am comfortable with the current stance of policy, especially considering the tensions policy must navigate between the short and long term and between recovery and the need for longer-term structural adjustments.

 


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Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:08 | Link to Comment Long-John-Silver
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Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome each time.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:13 | Link to Comment baby_BLYTHE
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the problem is the government cannot tax in a Deflationary environment, the FED knows this.

That is why there mandate should be re-written to more accurately describes their purpose: INFLATE or DIE trying.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:20 | Link to Comment russki standart
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Deflation is death to big government and banksters.  Hyperinflation is a safer choice because the political leadership has some hope for hanging onto power, instead of hanging.  QE to infinity!

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:06 | Link to Comment spiral_eyes
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QE is a safer choice than actually addressing the underlying fundamentals — 

military overspending, political corruption, public indebtedness, withering infrastructure, oil dependence, deindustrialisation, the withered remains of multiple bubbles, bailout culture, the derivatives-industrial complex, food and fuel inflation and so forth.

http://azizonomics.com/2011/08/30/hunger/ 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Mountainview
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Trade policy has to come forward now!

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:57 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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Dont forget a sheeple wanting more goodies from the government and becoming increasingly dependent, plus the scumbag politicians who will plunge this country into a debt nightmare to further their own interests.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 17:34 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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QE3 or QE4 or QE5...blah blah blah.

 

The economy is going to shit fast, and QE only accelerates the deterioration by causing prices of commodities, but not wages or incomes (or interest income), to spike, thus dampening consumption.

Stick QE up your ass, Dudley, Evans, Bernanke & Lockhart, you incompetent imbeciles.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 16:13 | Link to Comment RSloane
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Nicely put!

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Alpha Monkey
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 Hyperinflation is a safer choice because the political leadership has some hope for hanging onto power, instead of hanging.

Hyperinflation will allow the "leadership" (wall street, etc) to grab up REAL assets with the new money being funneled to them first. That's why it is the prefered choice of the ruling elite.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 16:45 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Very good point!

Never thought about that one...

But nobody accepts the new currencies and likes to stick to barter or foreign currencies.

Normally they get nationalized but the figures mostly stay in power.

I don't know if the go well in those situations.

But I really would like to know.

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Yardstick of Ci...
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The Fed mandate should be exactly this:

"Inflation, bitchez."

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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+1

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:35 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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First inflation was only going to be a problem when it would be at 3%..... now it's at 4%.... and suddenly inflation isn't a problem anymore...

Growth is always good, untill it goes parabolic above 6% because than it overheats and causes more inflation...

Why not just do nothing?

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:38 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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No shit. Phucking poor people. Play bridge or something.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:09 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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This reminds me of the Al Gore talking doll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHVxjMT1-os

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:22 | Link to Comment russki standart
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Hillarious! You are hearing me talk, the ultimate in political non communication. At least the doll does not need a teleprompter.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 16:14 | Link to Comment RSloane
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Lol!

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:10 | Link to Comment samsara
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Given the weak data we've seen recently and considering the rising concern about chronic slow growth or worse, I don't think any policy option can be ruled out at the moment.

Zero Growth.  THAT IS THE ISSUE.  The entire system is based on the bedrock paradigm of 'GROWTH'   Pushing the problems out to the future to be payed off.  

Without growth,  The RamJet Economy stalls and .... 

(a RamJet can't start itself.)

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Perfect analogy Samsara. How do you resolve the need for infinite growth faced with massively negative growth (I hate the word degrowth, damn machiavillian sounding)???

I see it around me in India all the time. It's just like the US in 2004. Massive service economy gorging itself on cheap chinese crap and really bad fast food, bought on too easily available credit. They turned India from a net saving economy to a net far overspent economy in 15 short years. Pretty damn amazing as a feat of social engineering.

India's ramjet is startign to sputter too and I'm sur emany people would agree to that feeling wherever in the industrialized world they are.

QE3 will sink the ship. it's not a fundign mechanism, it's an iceberg waiting for the global titanic.

Sheepdog, it's coming. They have to pull the trigger sometime.

V

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/humor-me/

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 21:07 | Link to Comment nyse
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They turned India from a net saving economy to a net far overspent economy in 15 short years. Pretty damn amazing as a feat of social engineering.

Exactly. This is the new imperialism. It used to be that "conquering" nations would plant their flag, now we just give them "Democracy", dollars to spend, and a market framework that ultimately evokes the same detremental behaviors we see all around us - namely an over reliance on credit and that McDonaldized "now" mentality. It works because this new form of conquering is a relatively easy pill to swallow; I mean, who doesn't want Levi's, election polls, iPads and bad cholesterol?

We are not freeing these nations we "help", we are indoctrinating them.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 16:36 | Link to Comment optimator
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Our economy is more like a Gnome-Rhone Rotary than a ramjet.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 17:51 | Link to Comment Shell Game
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Agreed.  The growth mantra is like the fiat-is-money mantra is like the terror-state mantra....all propaganda to steer us to consumer debt servitude and quiet compliance.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:12 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Carrot on a stick again, QE is DOA, and all these bankster clowns know it theyre hyping this crap daily to distribute to the kneejerk moron pops.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Cdad
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They cannot buy T bills with the US dollar where it is.  The implosion in the value of the dollar would consume any and all QE effects immediately, and then plunge the US economy into recession via skyrocketing oil prices...just as was the case in 2008.

It is DOA...until such time as the Dixie is higher, somewhere above 76.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:27 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Right, theyre OBVIOUSLY out of room in all areas to QE further! Dollar at LEAST 8 full points too low, gold too high, stocks far too high, theyre at the end of their rope and are now doing the only thing they can, rumors of QE to negate the bad news daily and drive markets rallies on fumes to distribute to.

Unless Sept 1st theyve got a series of terrifying market plunges planned down to under DUH 10K, QE3 is DOA already.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Long Fed Fool jawboning/short S&P.

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:33 | Link to Comment john39
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they obviously know that this game can't last, so what comes next?

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:36 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Back in south Chicago where I grew up we used to call anyone who yapped and jawboned this much 'punks that need to be issued a good beating'.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:53 | Link to Comment Cdad
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 A Chicago boy, ey.  Nice to know.  You f'n bully, Dog.  Have a friend that still lives outside of Chicago.  Never been in the city, myself.

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:51 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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1 way they can get the dollar higher, collapse the markets down about 15%, then get their QE which might get us back up to about here, only with all conditions far worse.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:11 | Link to Comment SeverinSlade
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Okay TD, so are we flip flopping again?  Equities continue to rally on this news?  Or does the building pressure in Europe, the 3rd bailout of Greece, and a possible failure of the Sept 29th EFSF vote prove to be too much for even the permabulls?

I still see your original prediction of a 20+% decline in equities coming before QE3.

QE3 is going to be massive, we all know it.  So does this massive easing come with the S&P north or south of 1,200?  I'm betting on south. 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:13 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Yea QE3 is going to be massive, a massive flop.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Iriestx
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How so?  It's going to take $2.5t+ from the pockets of men and women that work for a living, and hand it over to the elitist, lazy, entitled banking culture.  That's all it's designed to do, and it's a whopping success at doing it.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:19 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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There will be no diamond encrusted QE3 Ferrari unveiled late Sept...but hey buy it if you insist.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 16:38 | Link to Comment optimator
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No flop, think Bankster Bonus, mission accomplished.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Tyler Durden
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What flip flopping? We have always contended that for the Fed to pass QE3 a market crash is necessary in order to provide the political cover for "deflation." We have also contended that the market is bypassing this simple fact and is proceeding straight to step 2: pricing the whole thing in, as confirmed by the vapor melt up over the past 3 days and our observations thereof.

At some point one of the two will be proven wrong.

Simply said, the Fed's case for QE3 with stocks at 1200+ is untenable.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:21 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Don't fight the Fed (or the trolls Tyler).

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:24 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Dont fight the FED, maybe....but certainly look thru the FED's thinly veiled lies!

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Ausperity
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or try to get in thru the repo window :)

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Boilermaker
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I wish someone could answer why the level of stock market is the main driver for monetary policy.  What do the two things have to do with one another and why is it so dire to have high equity prices?

Seriously, other than being a massive scheme to enrich the already rich...what gives?

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:33 | Link to Comment cosmictrainwreck
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well, looks to me like you answer your own question with your last line

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:01 | Link to Comment Boilermaker
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I was hoping I was just paranoid.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 16:17 | Link to Comment RSloane
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Nope, you're spot on.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Mountainview
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Dollar rich but Gold poor...

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:30 | Link to Comment MoneyWise
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"Simply said, the Fed's case for QE3 with stocks at 1200+ is untenable."

Sorry, no crash for you, we going straight to 14k,
non stop, with or without QE3..
Keep printing more negative sh**T it helps a lot,
thanks

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:33 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Youll be very shocked real soon.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:47 | Link to Comment SeverinSlade
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Thanks for clearing that up.  Must have misread some of your recent posts.

So do you still stand by your contention that the meltup continues on until/beyond the 2 day September meetings?

As you've noted, headline risks will continue to remain.  It seems that the only news that can stop this meltup is some major problems in Europe.  Economic indicators that clearly indicate economic contraction continue to be shrugged off so long as they beat [downward revised] "estimates."  (They also ignore even massive misses like the most recent Philly Fed).

And note:  For the record, I'm extremely honored that TD (whoever he/she/they may be) actually responded to me directly.  I've only been a member for a short time relative to others, but ZH has my utmost respect.  ZH provides the best news out there.  Period.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:51 | Link to Comment russki standart
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Consider youself privileged when  the TD God speaks back to you. I am jealous

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:54 | Link to Comment SeverinSlade
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I do.  Pitchin' a tent right now.

Reminded of that classic scene from Wayne's world.

"We're not worthy!  We're not worthy!"

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:53 | Link to Comment samsara
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ZH provides the best news out there.  Period.

And That's The Fact Jack.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:42 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Guess that means Atlanta's phucked too. Ooooops. Hope this Lockart guy is trading the opposite of he's hoping for. Maybe the Fed Governor from Anartica will benefit? No one else on planet earth seems to winning...

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:56 | Link to Comment YesWeKahn
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The FED knows that if they don't print, the market would crash really hard from here. So there will be a QE3, roughly 1 trillion $ range.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 23:02 | Link to Comment lano1106
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IMO, it is not that obvious that QE3 would be as helpful as people think. This opinion is based on the fact that after february, QE2 seems to have lost its magical power.

If there is a QE3. I predict that it will work for an even shorter period of time than QE2 and that it will require much more money printing to acheive the same level of market levitation.

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:13 | Link to Comment Jim B
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Inflation is and has always been the goal! It will steal from the lower and middle classes and lower the nation debt at the same time!  It will be a stealth default instead of an overt default. 

 

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 01:09 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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QEeeasy dollars, pumped high and mighty, are an offset to the losses taken by the elite due to inflation.

In other words, The Bernankincide can say, "easy there, BSDs, I will make you better than whole by dollar volume in terms of what inflation does on the other hand to your savings."

 

(Or, stated in mathematical terms, Bernanke tells them he'll compensate them 2 dollars for every 1 dollar inflation erodes.)

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:13 | Link to Comment the not so migh...
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QE and rumors of more QE, thats all folks.

 

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:14 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Got no jobs? Well we will raise the costs for everything, let the elite pocket some easy money.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:15 | Link to Comment mynhair
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"Solyndra is leading the way" - Obama

Filing for bk tomorrow.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:25 | Link to Comment kengland
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And when that doesn't work? They need to manage the confidence game at the same time. If the average joe wakes up to the fact that "they" really can't control it and that "they" are making this mess 1000 times worse, it's game over. That is a concern for them. How do these fed comments fit in to this line of thinking

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:26 | Link to Comment Ausperity
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NFL season starts (for the most part) on 9/11.  No real danger until after the Super Bowl, when there is no NBA season afterwards.  Then, they will have to manage the game again.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:22 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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So when will inflation be more important than slow growth?  10%?  20%?  104%?  Just curious, since we're now ignoring the 2% mandate.  This is how hyperinflation starts.  All logic is thrown out the window.  It's always just a "little" more "easing" and that should do it.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:19 | Link to Comment St. Deluise
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Probably best to ignore all these lunkheads and just watch what the dollar is doing. It looks to me like it is being accumulated.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:20 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Wow scary.  The scary bit being that while slow growth makes corporate profits look like shit, inflation prices people out of survival.  Good luck all.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:21 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Unemployment rates fell in most US cities in July
Unemployment rates fell in 193 large metro areas in July, rose in 118, and were flat in 61

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Unemployment-rates-fell-in-apf-712694774.h...

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:22 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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nice link.  thanks.  What is the median salary?

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:30 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Who knows. Just a dog and pony show. Reuters is not going to report anything of value in fear of the WH, I mean the Gestapo.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:23 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Thomas Donlan (Editor of Barron's) says that QE3 is already surrepticiously underway.

Plan accordingly.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:24 | Link to Comment 1835jackson
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I think Marc Faber said it best in his speech to the "Austrian Economics and the Financial Markets," the Mises Circle in Manhattan on 22 May 2010 in New York, the name of his presentation was "Mirror, mirror on the wall when is the next AIG to fall?" a must see! He said "In 2008 we had a financial crisis, the next train stop will be when Governments will go bust and I believe in the western world they will all go bust. Before they go bust they will print money, and then go to war and all of us will be doomed".

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 16:21 | Link to Comment Alpha Monkey
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Only as long as the citizens sit watching dancing with the stars instead of standing in front of the tanks rolling through the streets.

So yeah, I guess the US is fubar, maybe the european western civilization will stand a better chance of survival.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:24 | Link to Comment sbenard
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Catastrophe this way comes! Plan and prepare accordingly!

These imbeciles should face firing squads for what they are doing!

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:25 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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the joo bankers at the federal reserve were arrested today on RICO charges by the gutless (and totally goy) FBI. [/just kidding]

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:31 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Hope it comes true. Prep walk time I say. Enough of this crap.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:25 | Link to Comment SITruth
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QE3 may be coming, but maybe not through the printing of currency and not for Wall Street.

Back in July, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York added Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as counterparties for reverse repurchase agreements, and Bernanke recently promised to keep interest rates at 0 for 2 years.

What you may see is a QE attempt through the expansion of bank credit in the real estate market.

 

 

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:30 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Right, in other words a total flop and a huge temper tantrum Sept 21 at the Wall St Super Sweet 16 party Bubbles Bernank unveils a used rusty VW bug instead of the little darling Wall St's promised new Ferrari.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:56 | Link to Comment SITruth
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  • Wall Street is contributing a lot more money to Romney than Obama, Blankfein hired a criminal lawyer.  I see the lovefest between Obama and Wall Street coming to an end. 
  • Also, what would make Obama's ratings rise more quickly then handouts to Main Street through low interest real estate loans and massive indictments against Wall Street banksters.  And I think Bernanke will go along with this because he will not be accused of printing money.  Its a win-win for Obama and Bernanke.  Obama needs to get that real estate bubble inflated again if he wants any chance of being re-elected President.  And no Republican is going to risk losing Main Street votes by attacking this plan.  In fact, the Republicans are going to jump on the band wagon with "low mortage rates for everyone".
Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:13 | Link to Comment the not so migh...
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regardless what the mortgage rate is, an overpriced piece of property is an over priced piece of property.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:25 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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They're boxed in. Inflation AND deflation risks are present, hence the dilema. Biflation IS a bitch. The Fed has no tools in the arsenal to fight it, but plenty of the old tools make it worse. 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:32 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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And lets face it, they were never 'fighting' anything in the first place since 2008 plunge and Paulsons warnings of tanks in the streets if the blank checkbook was not immediately handed over, it was all planned this way. Bernank isnt fighting jack shit, he's engineered the complete collapse of USA from within.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:25 | Link to Comment SITruth
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QE3 may be coming, but maybe not through the printing of currency and not for Wall Street.

Back in July, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York added Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as counterparties for reverse repurchase agreements, and Bernanke recently promised to keep interest rates at 0 for 2 years.

What you may see is a QE attempt through the expansion of bank credit in the real estate market.

 

 

 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:25 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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Do any of these genius economists realize that if "slow growth" is their biggest problem that they have a structural problem that is untenable?  Nothing in nature perpetually grows at a linear rate but an economy somehow does not adhere to the laws of the goddam universe?  

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 16:16 | Link to Comment Alpha Monkey
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Good thing they aren't going for linear, but exponential!

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:26 | Link to Comment oa92000
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From DOug Kass..

The Newest Financial Weapons of Mass Destruction

"Meanwhile the SEC fiddles while the New York Stock Exchange and investors burn. I suppose one important reason why the SEC is hopelessly unresponsive is that they are literally "paid off" by the high-frequency-trading industry and its lobbying efforts have likely retarded regulatory responses. We shouldn't be surprised in the SEC's incompetence and "blind eye" -- after all, this is the agency that still can't explain the Flash Crash and, despite ample evidence and warnings, failed to uncover Madoff's and Stanford's Ponzi schemes. 

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:26 | Link to Comment papaswamp
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"slow growth is now a bigger problem than inflation"

 

Yea the family living pay check to paycheck trying to buy enough food might disagree.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:32 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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http://www.thestate.com/2011/08/31/1953378/gunman-blasts-car-on-nc-inter...

highwayman in the gulag. better start packing when you go on trips.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:48 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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'Solyndra, a darling of the chimp in chief and was handed $600 million from him on the backs of taxpayers, today shut its doors'...

Thats the real story today as people hang in suspense like retards to 'What will Obamas new plan be, what will Bubbles Bernank do'...bunch of total and complete failure IDIOTS and couldnt run a lemonade stand without it collapsing in billions of debt within a couple hours!

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:03 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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How about Evergreen Solar? They filed for bankruptcy protection a few minutes ago. Great Hope and Change I must say.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:38 | Link to Comment dcb
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For legal reasons I can't say what I think should hap[pen to these people.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:52 | Link to Comment Jim B
Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:10 | Link to Comment FLIP THAT BOND
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Lockhard isn't even a voting member this year.  That was way to long of a piece for an alternate member. http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/fomc.htm

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Scalaris
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Humour me people, please.

Even if they have the slightest intention of initiating a QE3 come September 21, wont they at leat need a further pullback in equities and oil, except DAX, so that it at least gives the impression of a deflationary danger, albeit artificial. If so, how will said pullback be achieved since every single Economic Indicator (CPI, ECI, PPI, PMI etc.) which produces a negative outcome even on a lower expectation, is regarded as bullish as it contributes in the economic slowdown fact, which makes QE3 compulsory, yet the speculation derived from this "promise" raises markets even further even if based on anaemic volumes. Isn't this paradoxical or am I missing something - and what? 

Or do they hope that one of the European dominos/Countries/Banks will succumb under the liquidity restriction, therefore creating a massive "unexpected" credit event cum total Risk-Off which will send everything plunging Lehman style, thus making further stimulus not only legitimate and approved by the US Political Opposition, but also urgently needed?

Am I becoming paranoid or am I missing important parts in my crackpot theory here?

Appreciate any help.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:34 | Link to Comment gunsmoke011
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It's Official -- THE TOP IS IN -- Abby Joseph Cohen is coming On CNBC!! Sell The Farm And Get Short!!

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:52 | Link to Comment Downtoolong
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I wonder which one of these Fed Directors will be first to get gang mugged by a group of senior citizens trying to survive on their fixed income savings? What a way to go, death by a 1000 canes, walkers, and scooters, not to mention an overdose of enemas.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 16:00 | Link to Comment hejss
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Real inflation is much higher than 4%. If you can consume Iphones instead of rice it migyt work though.

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 17:51 | Link to Comment Atlantis Consigliore
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Thu, 09/01/2011 - 00:33 | Link to Comment reader2010
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Don't fight the FED and buy more gold.

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