Macro Commentary: The Damned If We Do, Damned If We Don’t Global Economy

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Thu, 08/04/2011 - 14:54 | 1524355 Doyle Hargraves
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QE3-gold goes up quickly

No QE3-gold still goes up because of "tradition"

Who cares bitchez?!

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:03 | 1524386 BaBaBouy
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Just a reminder, this is mostly a FIAT and liquidity driven crisis.

GOLD is actually way up Right now in the OTHER major fiats :::


Australian Dollar  +30.25

British Pound  +6.24

Canadian Dollar  +23.51

Euro  +13.19

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 19:19 | 1525016 trav7777
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yeah, basically the BOJ just crashed everyone's markets

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 14:55 | 1524361 kevinearick
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OK, so, get married, without registering, have kids, and build your community. Those that survive this tsunami will form the tertiary demand curve, the middle class in the next system.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 14:56 | 1524363 rufusbird
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Yeah, the bond market really needs support...

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 14:57 | 1524365 Jonas Parker
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Reality can be a real bitch sometimes...

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 14:59 | 1524374 Josh Randall
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New slogan: "QE3: overheating a BRIC economy near you soon!"

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:03 | 1524384 treemagnet
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Its like a fireworks show, oooohhhh aaahhhhh - look at the green one with white star bursts!, wwwooooowwwwwww - blue and white together! and on, and on.  Meahwhile that bernanke fuck is ready to light the red, white and blue at the same time.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:03 | 1524388 r101958
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Look, TPTB are playing economic chess and they have the king in check. It is not checkmate yet but they know that the only possible move that the King can make is to engage in further easing. Soon, however, the King will be checkmated because further easing will only lead to another check, more easing and another check, etc.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:11 | 1524414 GoinFawr
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Heh, I bet the next move Benny is contemplating these days is "Cheque pls."

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 22:10 | 1525383 StychoKiller
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How many cyber-trees will The Bernank have to cut down in order to create $1Trillion?

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 11:08 | 1526857 GoinFawr
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Ah yes, the age old question: If Benny fells a quadrillion cyber trees to conjure up fiat and nobody is there, does he have to make a sound?

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:06 | 1524394 Darth Hayek
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OK, quick side question: Does anyone have any info on Turkish investments in Germany?

Because I've got this very, very nasty gut feeling right now...

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:08 | 1524401 Dr. Engali
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Damn what a day for the server to blow up. It is hard getting real news any place else.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:13 | 1524423 DosZap
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I have not even been able to get on ZERO-H in over 2 hours........................

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:16 | 1524434 topcallingtroll
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Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:22 | 1524459 hunglow
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Sperminator to little black girl: Where am I?

Little black girl to Sperminator: EARTH, welcome!

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:08 | 1524402 FreedomGuy
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We are pretty much backed into the corner that has long been predicted in many articles here on ZH. As this article says there's nowhere to go on interest rates or monetary stimulus. Look at the headlines that are littered with competitive devaluations from Japan to Brazil to Switzerland as everyone tries to win the export game by trashing their own currencies. Keynesianism will die a slow excrutiatingly painful death and it has begun.

The Republicans in the U.S. Congress are impotent. Idealogically most outside of the Ron Paul-libertarian wing don't know what to do. They just signed a stupid deal which adds $8trill. to the national debt without cutting a single solitary program. The demand for money worldwide is about to black hole strong as half of Europe defaults. The U.S. will default, too but it will take longer. So, for today we will benefit somewhat in a stronger dollar and lower borrowing costs.

2012 might just be the end of the world...economically speaking.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:36 | 1524513 illyia
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2012 might be the end of the world, financial-instrumentally speaking.

People will still need, make and trade things. They just will realize that they do not need the financial services industry pimps to take a few cents out of every trade, create fictious "investment" vehicles or use the people's first attempt at true democracy since Rome fell to enforce the rights of criminals to rig the system.

By the way, Jim Sinclair has been predicting this since the early 2000s. He's game on for the fall through 2015-16 and has backed Martin's call for gold 12K by then.

Now that's a wild ride.

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 01:30 | 1525790 FreedomGuy
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Well, he's not alone in those predictions. The thing that is most bullish for gold/PM's is the competitive currency devaluations. This will be followed by numerous national QE's around the world. They are all prescribing the economic leeches of the failed Keynsian theories.

Your point about financial service pimps is on the mark. I have read other articles and the theory is that in political centrally planned economies you make more money off money than by making things, real things. I would say that has been true for several decades in the West. I was reading how Ferrari has record sales this year, especially in NY. So, how do you get record sales of a luxury product while we are experiencing record unemployment, food stamp use and income reduction in the middle class? Financial services are still scooping up the money as they play the money game. Bernanke throws them money with his QE and bond manipulation. Our socialist government throws them money, as well. Money, interest rates, money supply, etc. have all become divorced from the "real" economy of goods and services as well as normal supply and demand. It will all crash eventually.

It will be a wild ride and all of us will get hurt.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:08 | 1524404 kaiten
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Excellent summary of the present situation. Couldnt say it better.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:10 | 1524416 el Gallinazo
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Your not the only one who realizes that QE3 means global hot money currency controls.  The rest of the world is getting fed up with the Giant Parasite.   I am not so sure that the Boyz who pull BB's strings want that now.  They just may hold pat for a deflationary collapse and, nationalize the pension funds, IRA's, and 401-k's for a little pocket change.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:20 | 1524451 topcallingtroll
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Giant parasite?

I would say the parasites are those mercantilist countries who intentionally suppress their currencies to gain an unfair trade advantage. They arent happy that the usa is fed up with their gaming the system

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 22:18 | 1525395 StychoKiller
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"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" -- Anakin Skywalker

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:21 | 1524453 topcallingtroll
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Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:22 | 1524458 karzai_luver
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notice the tents in the streets in the holy land? hmmmmmmmmmmmm.


was/is the socialist rig about to collapse there due to bernank the mighty?


Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:13 | 1524421 Henry Chinaski
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QE  and QE2 were dismal failures.  They will conclude that they didn't do it hard enough.  Third times a charm.  Or something.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:26 | 1524480 walküre
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Put a cool million Dollars into every American's bank account overnight.

Ssshhh.. don't tell anyone. Take it as a one time gift, ok?

Sorry, gold is sold out but Iphads and Lulu pads are available!

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:14 | 1524422 buzzsaw99
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swear to jebus someone on cnbc called him "the bernank" just now.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:19 | 1524438 Dr. Engali
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I hope Tyler picked that up. That would be funny to see. Maybe Banzai will post it.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 22:19 | 1525397 StychoKiller
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The Berrrrrnnnaannkkk!  If he can't save us no one can!  :>D

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:16 | 1524432 tip e. canoe
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QE3 and the world lights up like the ME.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:25 | 1524471 marcusfenix
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well...tomorrow ought to be fun...

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:26 | 1524479 DavosSherman
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Hooocoodanode? QE2 pumped in 4 billion a day, from Bennie's ink jet to the banksters HFT servers and moved the market up 30% from 8-2010 until 7-2011.

Now its gone and the market is DOWN? 


Hoocoodanode that would happen?

QE3 is a must, you can't raise the debt ceiling more if you couldn't already borrow the difference between what we took in and what we spent.

Uncle Buck IS TOAST.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 15:36 | 1524512 WonderDawg
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I don't think QEAnything will save the market now.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 16:17 | 1524623 jmc8888
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And so it goes on, idiot market commentary cheering for trillions of stimulus because of his portfolio.

Damn if it costs 25 bucks for a 'cheap' package of Ramen. 

Damn if it kills a billion people with food inflation worldwide.*if lucky

It will do good for my portfolio.


This guy is an asshat.  There is no saving this monetary fucktard of a system.

Glass-Steagall and wipe the fraud.  Not kill the people with hyperinflation...because my portfolio will do nicely.  What we got here is an edjikaded man.


As I said, and many others have as well, in the end the banksters best friends will be gold owners.  They always side with whoever has money.  They become their new bitch.  (not to mention they'll be fully invested in it by the time it hits. 

Anyone think the world can sustain the hyperinflated prices because a few people have gold in their portfolio? I don't think so. There is no trickle down.  This isn't the 70's, the fiat hoover dam has been constructed.  Prices go up, and nothing cushions that rise.

It would be utter destruction.  If gold is at 10,000 (within a certain time frame of course), then the world will implode. 

Only a few tenths of a percent can survive in that environment, which funny enough, is almost the goal of some of these assholes.

You know you're a complete douchebag, when you know it won't work, you know it will destroy the world economy, the real physical economy, but you root for it, because of your portfolio.  What's the difference between that guy and Helicopter Ben himself? Not much.  At least some of those fucktards actually believe in the ponzi.  This asshole doesn't, yet says print away, destroy the world, make me money, and everyone else needs austerity.

Glass-Steagall, not blood money.

It isn't damned if you do, or damned if you don't.  That's the thinking of a complete moron.  Because you see, that is a fake dichotomy.

We CHOOSE to be put into that situation, because we won't call fraud....FRAUD.

We continue to legitimize fraud and LET IT DESTROY THE WORLD.  WE ARE LETTING IT.

Wipe the fraud, and there is no 'damned if you do, damned if you don't'...SOPHISTRY.  Thus it is REALLY  "dammed if we choose this idiot way, damned if we choose that idiot way, but Glass-Steagall will end the insanity"

Hey no one is against protecting oneself.  Buy gold and silver to do so.   But to actively cheer on the destruction takes a sick, sick person. 

You want to have your money there, while CHEERING for it to go down, because if it did, you know not only do you survive, but you could make more WEALTH in a real economy long term, and not risk being strung up by the peasants storming your 'economic plantation'.

All of this is unnecessary, and could be changed overnight with Glass-Steagall.  Let the banksters burn with their fraud.  Let THEM pay it off.  If they can't, liquidate.

These assholes don't even deserve minimum wage, they are complete fools.  A janitor does 1000x more for society than these asshats.

The funny thing is, he thinks HIS INVESTMENTS, and investments in the ponzi, are of the highest significance.  Sorry, it's the opposite, that's why it's called INVESTING.  You win or lose.  This asshat thinks that a completely bankrupt system must be saved because HE and OTHERS foolishly invested in a worthless ponzi.  Sorry, you were the dumbfuck, who bought a handful of beans. 

The system is broke, broken, and anyone invested in the mirage known as just about anything is a fool.   It's worthless.  Oh you'll still get something if you sell, because everyone else is a bigger fool.  That does mean it has value.  It just means the strongest hopium around isn't invested in Obama, they are invested in the markets believing the system isn't completely fucked and worthless.  It is.  Cheering on 50 dollar gas (after it dips to whatever) isn't good investing.  It's committing suicide.  Everyone else drinks the purple kool-aid first, you just happened to be last.  But nevertheless, even gold holders have very little future in a destroyed worldwide economy. 

Are you better off with gold at 50,000, and a destroyed world economy with no running water, electricity, roads, toilet paper, food, etc? 

Or are you better off with gold at a reasonable level, Glass-Steagall enacted, TBTF's gone, fraudulent debt wiped away, real economy growing, mag-lev, fusion, machine tools, NAWAPA, desalinization, and all the necessities of life in reach?

There is no value in gold at 50,000...the world will be a cinder box worth nothing, and you, will be a marked man, unable to wipe your own ass because the toilet paper...not produced where you live, is not available for all the tea in china. 

Glass-Steagall or die.  Even if you have gold. 

Of course this will be a process, of ever increasing dumbassery in order to reach such a scenario.  But at this point, it is quite clear sanity has left the building.  The necessary path has been completely obvious for 3 years, if not 10, and yet we're still here, and people are calling for QE3...even if they know it doesn't work, because of their investments.  Talk about bizarro world. 


If there is no supply, your gold supply won't last.  Good luck with that.  Cheer on destruction, because 99 percent of gold owners will use up that gold for consumption in about 2.2 seconds.

The world would still be fucked.

So don't go down that road.  At gold 50,000 (and perhaps even 10,000), everyone is fucked.  All for fraudulent debt, that can be wiped away in a couple of days, rather than go down this idiot path.  Legitimizing the fraud...destroying the world (significantly) since 2008.

Glass-Steagall, and yes, if tens of millions demanded it, the cowards in congress would do it.  But until then, bankster donations are preferred, in the future, much more directed at the SuperCongress (now wall street just needs to bribe 12 of them...the rest...NO SOUP FOR YOU!)

Glass-Steagall, you are only damned if you listen to dumbass who limits your options by framing the debate wrong.  We choose to be here.  This guy knows nothing about the economy, he views the world through a free trade AND a monetarist lens. He thinks the debt is legitimate, wants bernanke to print because of his portfolio, damn the consequences to real people, except that people need more austerity, and completely forgets about Glass-Steagall.  What a dumbass.  I think this guy is as stupid as Bernanke.  His viewpoint is just as fraudulent.

Glass-Steagall, or if you accept this guy's viewpoint, you're just putting your own head in the guillotine, one way or another.



Thu, 08/04/2011 - 16:35 | 1524673 TheMerryPrankster
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By the way, do you support the reinstatement of Glass-Stegall Act?

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 17:37 | 1524820 fwchiro
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He keeps using that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means.

Thu, 08/04/2011 - 22:57 | 1525490 Grand Supercycle
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S&P500 head and shoulders target is 1,176 and further downside

As mentioned for some time - S&P500 monthly has been tracking sideways this year. This extensive distribution signified a bearish big picture and that a significant downtrend would follow.

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