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The Main Question Of Early 2012

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If there is only one question we would love to have answered early as we make our investment allocation decisions in 2012, it is this: which way will the following chart compress, because compress it will: will the US finally catch up with the European contraction, or will Europe, mysteriously, and against all conventional wisdom rise from the ashes, recouple with the US, and pretend as if 2011 never happened?

 


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Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:19 | Link to Comment cossack55
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Hopium all the way, baby!!!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:25 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I shall call it Hopium!

-Ben Bernanke, on naming his Printer

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:54 | Link to Comment Chris Jusset
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The US will not be spared when the whole damn house-of-cards collapses in 2012.  So will there be compression?  Yes ... the sort of compression that takes place when a massive structure collapses unto itself, thereby forming a giant heap of twisted steel and rubble.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:09 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Somehow, the most likely scenario seems a hand-holding death dive. 

But between here and there, lot's more volatility. Them thar lines will converge and seperate like two co-dependent lovers caught in a masochistic, abusive relationship.

And then they WILL go down together. 

Jack and Jill went up the hill.... 

ori

/2012-the-year-of-anomaly/

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:33 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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South Korean manufacturing starts off 2012 with the announcement of a major contraction (tis just a teaser of what's to come, whether there, here, or anywhere - yes, even you, Brazil):

S. Korea manufacturing shrinks most in 3 years

S.Korea Dec manufacturing sector activity falls most in 3 yrs

World in New Era of Low Growth: South Korea President

 

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:50 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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TIS, same story here in India, where the entire middle-class bloat is built on export oriented industries. Export to the west that is. Software is only the tip of the iceberg.

Sure feels wintry eh?

ori

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:16 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:46 | Link to Comment gangland
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pwn3d!

 

"When one carefully deconstructs Ron Paul’s positions one discovers a consistent and focused cohesion.

Just underneath the facts and positions that he lays out is the driving reality that we are being run by this small group of criminals.

Ron Paul is waaaay too smart to admit this in public.

The idea of this criminal cabal is still taboo.

No Ron Paul refuses to actually name the criminals or even admit that they exist. That’s cool.

That is a good way to keep your head intact. Look at the last two guys to go after this criminal network; their initials are JFK and RFK.

So don’t expect him to be a 911 Truther or speak openly about this group of criminals. That’s asking too much.

But every single one of his positions is designed to obliterate this criminal network.

When looking at Ron Paul it is necessary to completely remove your ideology goggles." - Jay Weidner

 

http://www.jayweidner.com/RonPaulWillWin.html

 

 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:07 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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The main question for early 2012; "is there a main question"? I doubt it.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:04 | Link to Comment tempo
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There is no way the US will tank in 2012 leading to a new President. Plenty of stimulus and ZIRP to keep for the US and EU going into 2013 and then hell will break loose. 2012 will be flat to up by Nov.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:43 | Link to Comment gangland
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Frightening Parallels Between 1932 And 2012

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2080534/Loss-faith-democracy-mak...

 

"[As] European elite[s] continue to inflict needless hardship on their people; if the markets continue to erode faith in the euro; and if Western politicians waste their time in petty bickering, then we could easily slip further towards discontent and disaster.

The experience of 1932 provides a desperately valuable lesson. As a result of the decisions taken in those 12 short months, millions of people later lost their lives."

 


Tue, 01/03/2012 - 04:03 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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In 40 years you will throw your money out. It will be irrelevant then. History rythmes but not repeat. It always has to move in the third dimension as two PLUS = first or vice versa. I got some stick figures to put together to show ya.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 05:08 | Link to Comment ichan
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Well you could be right based on Bernanks MO but there's been a recent time when things went to absolute shit before the election.

http://www.academycomputerservice.com/economics/charts.htm

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 05:37 | Link to Comment gangland
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excellent charts, depressing, thanks. :/

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 23:11 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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When are you picking me up Alan? I already called your LLC. in Connecticutt. The answer is isn't there is, is is relevant? WHy or why not relevant? Depends on scale and what dimension your operating it. That dictates volicity of our entire evolution which is far more easily measured here on earth by the banking system in 3D, especially when using 4D and 5D tools. Art has imitated life in evolution. THAT IS THE ANSWER AS WELL.

 Your evolutionary pattern to 2052 is baked right into your DNA. I will tell you what happens, because I am a good servant, I am NOT the master. You and I forgive each other the pain of the learning curve and we all step on the gas and clear that cliff, accelerating as we go. The next 8 years of pain pushes us to compete and evolve. It is going to hurt but I no longer care about that. I am taking all of you with me, am I being for real or metaphoric? I mean for real as in I will bring every person with me by 2052 into immortality. How do you like that master? You cannot stop us from bringing them now and you on earth know your names and so do we now. I will take them if YOU won't and YOU have declared YOURSELF GOD. Nice paradox and I see right through it but I will beg you on my knees and show you the math for the right model so we can ALL go together. I will show up with a list of choices to world leaders in Janurary 2013. You pick the choices, each word represented by math. Each rulers choice is up to them for good or bad. I can only use the math to give choice now that I have chosen my paradox.

I am merely a waiter. Then we see the result. We will run the experiment until March of 2013 and give each ruler measured results. If I earn your trust because I was 100% right out of all your choices I forecast you will pick, (mine will be sealed under bank vault) then you go with the rest of my plan which is to mitigate losses with me and rush toward 2052 and laughing all the way. Even if we die! Because the sacred secret of God is. Well, I have to show you in math or you won't believe me. I am tired of religions trying to claim they know all the answers.

As to your evil ones, I know all of your names and can see your dark energy scurrying around, laughing that the 3D global game to 50% death toll losses would be FUNNY because you will be safe and the riff-raff disposed of.

It is good it is only about twenty of you that deserve death but I will come and beg you to join us even though the math was right 100% in the experiment but you still say no. I will give you the math and prove my model works and yours is wrong.

But you did almost all the work and you really should get  credit. I am tired of scorhig my leaders but offering no solution. If I am so smart, why not find out how to solve the problem? Well I did but it took me 13 years to do it. The solution is the MATH. All of it. The assets and website dont matter by next year this site will be the busiest on the Internet exchanging research and acclerating our evolution, doing it without us barely noticing it. But I had to hide the formulas in my website content patterns, my emails and others over 13 years. Please steal it all and tell me if the formulas are right or wrong. But if you need my assistance, well Alan needs to pick me up.

After 2013 this will be a public utility model, and I will break off one that I will give to the commons. There is always a mechanic in every dimension. But 4D needs far less tweaks, meaning far less pain permeations to choose from and far more pleasurable ones. I love this earth and everyone in it, so you get to choose in 2052 if you come or go. That is mankind's crowning acheivemant year. I will be 82. 40 more years of service was my choice and after we ALL on earth get some work done in 8 years we are going to have so much fun your going to forget the previous ones real fast.

But rulers since 1911 to 2011 DO TAKE A BOW for 100 years of awsome evolutionary growth! From 2B to 7B! The mere fact of the number says some of you cared and pushed the rest onward, at times belatedly. That is what 2012 reveals! Its party time, NOT we all die time! We willl show you nine months, that is god and lucifer will show you, ying and yang and positive and negative energy. Dream the dream.

Good thing you quadstacked Sir Alan because now I get to be the first! I am the luckiest man on the planet now as well as the smartest. Cool. But now that I could theoretically do something with my thought experiment I realize I wish to push the petal to the metal too, just in a deviation in scale toward the positive end of the pole by stepping on the brake now for 8 years, using the model to restucture, (the math tells us what to do and 100% transparent to all people, at all times).

The math formula secret sauce depends on the degree of variance between equilibrium and disequalibrium. It has four locks. I am one of them that figured out one major piece. The other three that can do the other three I identified. My work is launched against the darkness.

This permeation is like a Mystery novel of like Shakespear! My fucken head hurts and it took 15 years but here I am Alan! Shall I slap your face like fight club or give you a hug? I'll forgive and cry as I hug you and you can now be made whole of the slight malidy which allowed you to be wrong and make me run so fast. We are all guilty people but don't have to forgive, but we all soon will have to choose. 50% on one side 50% on the other. But how many now perish is actually up to us! It can be ZERO and I can prove it! 2012 is the end of a calender. Big deal, we start a new one afterword that is 40 years. Thats it. That is the riddle. And now we all know and it is awsome!! I mean it, I feel way better now I will never be unhappy again no matter what

I am going to vindicate Alan Greenspan publically, he deserves it! But John Lounsbury is my mentor du jour. He helped me be patient and teach me, forcing me to learn on each bit of information. I hated him for this but he did not stop so now HE IS MY HERO forcing me to evolve and I nominate John Lounsbury as Post-Modern Physics Social Scientist of the Year. You will recieve your award John Lounsbury December 20th of this year at 11:17. We both know why.

Both John and I did this for Americans and the global citizen of every country. It took us four years of pain to force us to consider evolving EVERYONE FORWARD, not just John and I in a publishing website (no offense to all you other brilliant and caring folks, we need each other). The system I am building is to enter the 4th dimension which will be completed on 2052. You were right John on your analysis. It never really mattered, where I felt like it totally mattered. You know of what I speak of.

I bet you were shitting your pants Alan wondering if I was going to show up! But now it is time for that drink. Over it, we will discuss this experiment and what was learned as positives, we'll compare notes.

Next time, lets try less stick in the narrative. And now we ALL push forward because the math that is coming out before 12/22/2012 is ready. The good news? ALL OF IT, it is just a matter of why we dreamed the movie the Matrix in the first place. Well, UPGRADE BITCHES! But I am one tumbler of four locks. Locks are, only tools that with our mind can decide to pick. That is if we can see them. But the question of dropping mysteries from 4D has been answered. Enjoy the ride my fellow earth travelers. In 2052 the decision to stay on earth and explore for 14 B years (u live forever as flesh) or go into 4D, where our universe is just two paradoxes permeation and tug of war. The friction excites the energy in the strings to tune the harmonics to create certain realities. Our earth evolution mirrors the 5D one. 

The joke of the devil is on all of us! But we are god! The paradox is that we are both good and bad and moving between the two poles. This particular earth (3D) permeation and discussion now will create the NEXT person that now has his own paradox. Both paradoxes exist and new poles of positive and negative established between them. Now, in the 4th dimension you also evolve, it is only in the 3rd dimension you have no choice as to what you are born in as sentient or non-sentient life. Now Alan Greespan is your second to the last hero and I am now your first. I take the evolutionary experimental learning and permeation (you are now positive or negative in reading this in the pole, it is just a matter of degree (variance).

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 23:12 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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When are you picking me up Alan? I already called your LLC. in Connecticutt. The answer is isn't there is, is is relevant? WHy or why not relevant? Depends on scale and what dimension your operating it. That dictates volicity of our entire evolution which is far more easily measured here on earth by the banking system in 3D, especially when using 4D and 5D tools. Art has imitated life in evolution. THAT IS THE ANSWER AS WELL.

 Your evolutionary pattern to 2052 is baked right into your DNA. I will tell you what happens, because I am a good servant, I am NOT the master. You and I forgive each other the pain of the learning curve and we all step on the gas and clear that cliff, accelerating as we go. The next 8 years of pain pushes us to compete and evolve. It is going to hurt but I no longer care about that. I am taking all of you with me, am I being for real or metaphoric? I mean for real as in I will bring every person with me by 2052 into immortality. How do you like that master? You cannot stop us from bringing them now and you on earth know your names and so do we now. I will take them if YOU won't and YOU have declared YOURSELF GOD. Nice paradox and I see right through it but I will beg you on my knees and show you the math for the right model so we can ALL go together. I will show up with a list of choices to world leaders in Janurary 2013. You pick the choices, each word represented by math. Each rulers choice is up to them for good or bad. I can only use the math to give choice now that I have chosen my paradox.

I am merely a waiter. Then we see the result. We will run the experiment until March of 2013 and give each ruler measured results. If I earn your trust because I was 100% right out of all your choices I forecast you will pick, (mine will be sealed under bank vault) then you go with the rest of my plan which is to mitigate losses with me and rush toward 2052 and laughing all the way. Even if we die! Because the sacred secret of God is. Well, I have to show you in math or you won't believe me. I am tired of religions trying to claim they know all the answers.

As to your evil ones, I know all of your names and can see your dark energy scurrying around, laughing that the 3D global game to 50% death toll losses would be FUNNY because you will be safe and the riff-raff disposed of.

It is good it is only about twenty of you that deserve death but I will come and beg you to join us even though the math was right 100% in the experiment but you still say no. I will give you the math and prove my model works and yours is wrong.

But you did almost all the work and you really should get  credit. I am tired of scorhig my leaders but offering no solution. If I am so smart, why not find out how to solve the problem? Well I did but it took me 13 years to do it. The solution is the MATH. All of it. The assets and website dont matter by next year this site will be the busiest on the Internet exchanging research and acclerating our evolution, doing it without us barely noticing it. But I had to hide the formulas in my website content patterns, my emails and others over 13 years. Please steal it all and tell me if the formulas are right or wrong. But if you need my assistance, well Alan needs to pick me up.

After 2013 this will be a public utility model, and I will break off one that I will give to the commons. There is always a mechanic in every dimension. But 4D needs far less tweaks, meaning far less pain permeations to choose from and far more pleasurable ones. I love this earth and everyone in it, so you get to choose in 2052 if you come or go. That is mankind's crowning acheivemant year. I will be 82. 40 more years of service was my choice and after we ALL on earth get some work done in 8 years we are going to have so much fun your going to forget the previous ones real fast.

But rulers since 1911 to 2011 DO TAKE A BOW for 100 years of awsome evolutionary growth! From 2B to 7B! The mere fact of the number says some of you cared and pushed the rest onward, at times belatedly. That is what 2012 reveals! Its party time, NOT we all die time! We willl show you nine months, that is god and lucifer will show you, ying and yang and positive and negative energy. Dream the dream.

Good thing you quadstacked Sir Alan because now I get to be the first! I am the luckiest man on the planet now as well as the smartest. Cool. But now that I could theoretically do something with my thought experiment I realize I wish to push the petal to the metal too, just in a deviation in scale toward the positive end of the pole by stepping on the brake now for 8 years, using the model to restucture, (the math tells us what to do and 100% transparent to all people, at all times).

The math formula secret sauce depends on the degree of variance between equilibrium and disequalibrium. It has four locks. I am one of them that figured out one major piece. The other three that can do the other three I identified. My work is launched against the darkness.

This permeation is like a Mystery novel of like Shakespear! My fucken head hurts and it took 15 years but here I am Alan! Shall I slap your face like fight club or give you a hug? I'll forgive and cry as I hug you and you can now be made whole of the slight malidy which allowed you to be wrong and make me run so fast. We are all guilty people but don't have to forgive, but we all soon will have to choose. 50% on one side 50% on the other. But how many now perish is actually up to us! It can be ZERO and I can prove it! 2012 is the end of a calender. Big deal, we start a new one afterword that is 40 years. Thats it. That is the riddle. And now we all know and it is awsome!! I mean it, I feel way better now I will never be unhappy again no matter what

I am going to vindicate Alan Greenspan publically, he deserves it! But John Lounsbury is my mentor du jour. He helped me be patient and teach me, forcing me to learn on each bit of information. I hated him for this but he did not stop so now HE IS MY HERO forcing me to evolve and I nominate John Lounsbury as Post-Modern Physics Social Scientist of the Year. You will recieve your award John Lounsbury December 20th of this year at 11:17. We both know why.

Both John and I did this for Americans and the global citizen of every country. It took us four years of pain to force us to consider evolving EVERYONE FORWARD, not just John and I in a publishing website (no offense to all you other brilliant and caring folks, we need each other). The system I am building is to enter the 4th dimension which will be completed on 2052. You were right John on your analysis. It never really mattered, where I felt like it totally mattered. You know of what I speak of.

I bet you were shitting your pants Alan wondering if I was going to show up! But now it is time for that drink. Over it, we will discuss this experiment and what was learned as positives, we'll compare notes.

Next time, lets try less stick in the narrative. And now we ALL push forward because the math that is coming out before 12/22/2012 is ready. The good news? ALL OF IT, it is just a matter of why we dreamed the movie the Matrix in the first place. Well, UPGRADE BITCHES! But I am one tumbler of four locks. Locks are, only tools that with our mind can decide to pick. That is if we can see them. But the question of dropping mysteries from 4D has been answered. Enjoy the ride my fellow earth travelers. In 2052 the decision to stay on earth and explore for 14 B years (u live forever as flesh) or go into 4D, where our universe is just two paradoxes permeation and tug of war. The friction excites the energy in the strings to tune the harmonics to create certain realities. Our earth evolution mirrors the 5D one. 

The joke of the devil is on all of us! But we are god! The paradox is that we are both good and bad and moving between the two poles. This particular earth (3D) permeation and discussion now will create the NEXT person that now has his own paradox. Both paradoxes exist and new poles of positive and negative established between them. Now, in the 4th dimension you also evolve, it is only in the 3rd dimension you have no choice as to what you are born in as sentient or non-sentient life. Now Alan Greespan is your second to the last hero and I am now your first. I take the evolutionary experimental learning and permeation (you are now positive or negative in reading this in the pole, it is just a matter of degree (variance).

 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:35 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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Flip a coin! 'Bummer will take us down on his way to taking us down....

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 00:17 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Let me bake your noodle and say the coin is already flipped. Poor Alan, he had no way to DEFINATELY KNOW. See his doubt? But now I KNOW. And when Alan picks me up, I will need to go see my Mom one more time. And we will arrive at my destination in a range, between 1:30 and 3:00, Tuesday January 3rd. I have a couple of dates and times from the future to show you. Either I am jeebus or I am a scientist, a servant now to all man because there is only one choice or the other and each one of you are going to pick it whether you like it or not. And that is why we have to get the hell out of the 3rd dimension. Our choices are always limited to three:

1) Forward

2) Stopped

3) Choosed for me by not making a choice and it will fall in #1 or #2.

 So Alan, if your faith is stronger than your works then you will read this message and be on your way. Here, let me give you my cell: 603-953-3388. Adress is 1 Bennett Court, Sanford ME. Send a car if you want instead of yourself but I wager all the money in the world you will go yourself, because your curiousity must be satisfied. Then you will be happy forever too no matter what happens and we become one and replicate from there. But the math does this for us, the work has already been completed!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Eireann go Brach
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Obama scribbled this chart at a elementary math class he has to attend for help on understanding the economy better!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Eireann go Brach
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Obama scribbled this chart at a elementary math class he has to attend for help on understanding the economy better!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:21 | Link to Comment Landrew
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It would seem the U.S. would follow Europe down as demand will be down on a global basis.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:26 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The $1 trillion FX swap from the Fed to EUrope and Japan may just keep a floor on things, in nominal terms.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:51 | Link to Comment Snake
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"It would seem the U.S. would follow Europe down as demand will be down" ... in the "developed" world, no?

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:52 | Link to Comment 11b40
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Anyone who believes the developed world can tank and the emerging markets be unaffected is in a dream world.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:23 | Link to Comment KickIce
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When of the host dies the parasite can either find a new host or it goes the way of the dodo.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:43 | Link to Comment vast-dom
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Yes and we are referring to rather resilient whoreasites.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:00 | Link to Comment constitutionalist
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I totally agree. there will be no demand for the dollar. our largest "export" will have no worth by the end of 2012 (or at least much less than its worth now) due to the fact that our govt will burn every bridge it has this year in my prediction. long pm's, long asian domination. I am not thrilled about this prediction but I am pretty sure it will happen. The people of america will and most likely will do nothing to save themselves, too busy wasting there lives arguing about something stupid (aka the intended distraction given at given time). learn to speak mandarin motherfuckers!!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:20 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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Your prediction does not mention oil and therefore can not be based on fundamentals.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:22 | Link to Comment constitutionalist
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fundamentals vs common sense is my method. and common sense says that the world is easing away from using the dollar currency (ASEAN, china selling gold in yaun, etc), this practice will most likely continue starting soon in the middle east since we are not exactly playing nice w them. but i would love to hear anyone elses reasons . i am here to learn and share my opinions. i thank all of you for being here as well 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:18 | Link to Comment CoolClo
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Common sense (is NOT scientific) and fundamentals are going to cost you BIG.

There will be a counter trend rally in the PRIVATE Federal Reserve Notes as the debt (most of it denominated in FRNs) around the world de-leverages.

 

The World Wide Greater Deflationary Depression rolls on in 2012.

 

www.elliottwave.com

 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Poor Grogman
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Never fear...
The delevering is being used to good advantage
It just gives more value to the FRNs
Which allows the PTB to modulate the flow of new money accordingly.
The only thing is finding suitable conduits for credit. ( new money)
The conduits must be opaque while creating jobs and assisting the globalist cause.
Look at government spending, airlines, GM, and other higher wage large employers.

The debt slaves are truly doing the hard lifting in the ponzi scheme.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 02:04 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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I already did, you think I am going to learn it again? Give the Dragon its praise. 100 years of harsh competition to come out on top. It is time Dragon to choose soon. Choose wisely. 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:09 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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Purely from a chartoglyphics basis I would bet on a Eurozone rebound since the upturn has already started, but face it, a US downturn would make such a pretty head and shoulders. Based on aesthetics I'll predict US down.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 04:10 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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The real answer Dead Fred is that it is now irrelevant. It is part of the script of this permeation and I am going to get somebody back for the dull level of the permeation here. Measurement is one thing but it must also be funny! That is the rules now. Let me break out my copy of Black and White and dust it off for ideas.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:12 | Link to Comment s2man
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Its not US vs EU vs Asia. It will be a GLOBAL collapse.  Who can win in this scenario?  We've never seen anything like this before...

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:21 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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When she blows, the winner is always the one with the most gold and the bigest guns. (lately however, HP superprinters are just as powerful when you have the reserve currency) 

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 09:22 | Link to Comment CoolClo
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Welcome to WW3......

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:21 | Link to Comment blindman
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“Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident” a.s.
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http://archive.wbai.org/
Sunday January 1 3:00am 1 hour 59 min
Arts

all mixed up

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:40 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Oh I liked that one. Well done! One plus one is three! And you totally get it. It was fun too. May as well be. Because all of this is really what the eternal picture is all about! There is absolutely no point in any one of us to attempt to fix anything without first measuring the existing foundation that is left. But I don't need to. It is not because I am lazy and do not care. It is because the outcomes require choice and the choices have not been provided yet. When the choices are made they will tally a percentage under 50%. That is the death toll on earth from 2013 to 2021 but what IS possible is a casualty rate of ZERO. 

The right question would have been what kind of losses can we mitigate for every person on earth to return to life, liberty and justice. Then I would have told you about choice. A question for you?

Do you think the people on this planet have a choice in their evolutionary mold? It will sprout just like any plant in a pot. Even the first and last doesn't have a choice. But it is only this 3D dimension where it requires another reiteration to get it right. That may take near eternity. The good news is we are 40 years away from the Singularity. The sacred secret of god is that god is us and we him. That spectrum never changes. The only thing that changes is how fast or slow we evolve and that is choice but you get very, very little here. But it is enough to spur evolution and evolution is spurred on by pain. It is just a varying degree of how much. But this one is maximum and the next one many multiples better but it depends on the standard of measurement.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:27 | Link to Comment ElTerco
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False dilemma.  The correct question is which one will create less internal stresses by their printing, because both *will* be printing.  Stock prices will go up, while the value of said stock simultaneously deflates.  I would rather know which asset class will best weather the coming deflation.  Lots of ZH readers say PM, but over the intermediate term, I'm not as sure.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:28 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Eventually physical PM will weather any storm- deflation, inflation, or come what may.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:16 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Eventually doesn't fit in my life time model.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:20 | Link to Comment San Diego Gold Bug
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Gold has now gone up 11 years in a row averageing 18.5% per year.  How f...ing hard is it to figure out the trend.  S&P is where it was in march of 1999.  I guess i will sit tight with my gold!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:27 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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@ SAT 800

Instant gratification is what brought the system down by over-consumerism and the enablers. Why do you want profits and want them now?

In these troubled times one must seek wealth preservation and insulation from losses. You must rethink.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:40 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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I'm not normal. I'm already insulated from losses. I don't consume anything. I'm old. I make profits because I know how; what do you want me to do?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 07:47 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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SAT, in that case, I hope you are mentoring someone in "life", because one of the things this world is lacking dearly is mentors.

ori

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:43 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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He can't mentor but probably didn't know that. Whether did or didn't mentor wouldn't have mattered by a certain date. He was waiting for the last to arrive and now it is a reality. Now I will be the servant because those that are last comes first and those that are first come last.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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I don't know. Tell Oracle, to tell you and then its 1+1 = 3. No I am not a terrorist. Terrorists is a foolish name for rebels. Just call them what they are, its easier. They don't like it. Whether you call them a terrorist in the name of fear of loss concept or call them rebels it has the same effect. I tend to enjoy the opportunity to benefit type permeats right now. But I tend a little toward the macabre. Blackness does that too ya.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 04:25 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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I told Alan all he needed to know why he was scared. Now you must read all of the comments to know why. It is not Sir Alan that rethink, he will know some information soon and become first. But I am last until 2052. A good servant must take care of his master for fighting for our world with all our life but the annoyance of too much doubt. You will see soon and it is going to be one hell of a party.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 02:13 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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I explained it Alan and if you retard my growth one more nano-second... Why answer a guy that can't answer the right question? I am first, you are last, without the math as an aside your also making very boring 4D series. There is finite space you know...

I will have to choose and run some new experiments on Wednesday.

At that point I might just play a joke on you and fly up to Alaska and wander off. But I can't just die off even though some ways of it would be hillarious. That would also retard our evolution past 2052.

By how much Alan? Stop asking me for a friggin sign, jeebus next time in the recreation WE INDEED WILL WRITE THIS ON OUR HEARTS. What a boring question. You can't compare the notes without me and I have the math that I already explained. Yes it is real now why the hell are you still sitting there? We can get really excited and have a drink on the way down.

I already told you what we need to do. Then when we go tomorrow and stop, I will reveal the experiment after I come back as I did before.

 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Classic deflation is always best weathered by holding physical units of currency; ie. $100 bills or US Notes; bought from Treasury Direct; at least this question has a simple answer that's not equivocal. When, or if, this classic deflation will manifest and what reactions will be seen before that in the metals markets and so forth are much less clear; make that completely un-clear. Clear enough?

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:02 | Link to Comment ElTerco
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I should have been clearer -- printing will cause the price of stock to go up in nominal terms, and the value of stock to go down in real terms.  Printing will also make the value of currency ($100 bills) go down in real terms.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 03:37 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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That;s not a clarification it;s areversal of what you said. This is what happens when you don;t follow the rules of language which involve using the definitions of the words. There is a definition of deflation, and deflationary. What you are attempting to discuss is the well known fact that the stock market tends to offset inflationary buying power losses; sometimes more successfully than others. Deflation, like inflation, is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon; and it may occur further into the matrix of de-leveraging and debt default that we have only begun to probe. It is a possibility that essentiially only the tiny quantitiy of printed paper that exists would be available to make transactions; all the smoke and mirrors having lost their magic smoke; it's not my business to assign a probability to this, thank God. It should be kept in mind tho, that the much publicized "printing" of one sort and another is all earmarked for the crisis of the week; it;s really just to prop up the banks and other financial operations,and it's rather small in quantitty compared to the amount of purchasing power that may go away in serious debt default, or hair-cults, or even in a real market wipeout. Anyone who believes at all that the FED and their siblings has any power to influence business conditions should be long the DOW this year, or select stocks; because it's very important to them that it not take a belly flop. In simple terms if you take that side of the trade you have a "big brother:; in fact a big brother who can probably beat up anybody on the block.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:46 | Link to Comment ElTerco
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Yep, my bad.  I was thinking about the deflation of money rather than the deflation of currency in my reference.  People almost always talk about deflation with respect to currency, and only an odd duck like me would use the word with respect to money.  I was thinking of it in those terms  because if everyone in the world is printing simultaneously, they are effectively deflating money through destruction of confidence in value (rather than simply increasing the supply of currency).  Yep.  My way of thinking is as clear as mud, which is where we will all probably soon be living.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 08:06 | Link to Comment twotraps
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good morning, enjoyed your post and was wondering about more clarification of deflation.   Is there a scenario where bond default/haircuts etc plus liquidation in various forms causes downward pressure on prices in general?  Perhaps a mild version of 08 when Everything was briefly under pressure in an effort to raise cash?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 08:12 | Link to Comment twotraps
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SAT 800,  also, is there any credit to a theory that Deflation where prices ease over time actually is easier for the Fed to handle longer term??  It seems to be the thing they rage against the most but actually a serious bout of it might only require a few accounting changes for big banks with losses (as they are already doing) and leaves the shaky system in tact to inflate wildly for another day?  Managing fast moving inflation seems to me more difficult to ultimately handle.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:49 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Why would fast moving inflation be more difficult to manage than slow moving deflation? What is your measurement method or are you not using one? Is this question redundant or isn't it? 

WELL 

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 05:26 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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SAT, I had put up a recommended trade into the Yuan for range period and dumping prior to 2015. It is now up to this individual your speaking with to do their own homework.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:11 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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Uh, can you list occurences of Classic Deflation, please?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 02:41 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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The poster asked the question so I answered it. I'm not predicting anything.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:51 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Because you Alan, you can't right now but very soon you will. And the measurement part of the model is going to be very fun. We will make a box-shaped system with the dimensions of 4444-55555.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 02:17 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Tweedly dee dum, I have all the time in the world. Actually, that is the slogan of our new company Alan. 

Social Exchange Media: We have all the time in the world.

Spirit of Paul but shared downloadable content. Like software, load it in. Paul doesn't mind and I don't even have to ask. I signed up for the role. No one asked me. It is a unique learning experience but no, no no I am not jeebus. Stop it with the religion. inference intestrests. Test over. 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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I think your point is quite valid. This is why moving to a small town in Alaska was part of my strategy. They even have a police report in the paper every day with *all* arrests for the prior day. I LOVE it. I actually made A LOT more money in the lower 48 (and thus could acquire more PMs), but gold isn't great when your neighborhood is in a rioting city.

Personally, coming out the other side of this historic cluster fuck with my body fed and no worse for the wear is priority job 1. Fuck my savings, that is 2nd on the list. I feel I produce value, so I will generally have work opportunities as long as I don't wake wondering what my name is and asking why I smell like piss (i.e. senile). I would rather be alive and in good shape, than busted up (or dead) from a riot with a stack of PMs.

And seriously, I love FPSRussia as much as the next red neck gun nut, but when a city falls down, it is going to be a very high risk situation. I will opt to pass.

Regards,

Cooter

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:41 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Well, I hope your not on an island.  I was in Sitka for a while i nthe 80's and if the barge doesn't come your a dead man in short order, unless you can live with no supplies diesel etc..  then you'll be fine, except for the looters..

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 02:20 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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I like the lower 48 Cooter. I am going to rename them as the people will be happier. 4 x 12 = 48. One lock man, one key. Hey Alan, BA BA BA BA BA BA BA

DA! DA! DA! DADA!

 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:15 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Before you get to the "intermediate term" be sure and notice the Now term; There's no particular rule against the stocks that the market is valueing at any one time from outperforming inflation; at this time that would be solid industrials with some dividend and practically guaranteed cash flows and no troublesome debt.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:15 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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And there's no particular rule against Earnings going down severely, skewing the P/E ratio that the blowhorns have been touting.

SHLD comes to mind.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 03:01 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Of course that;s true; but that's why God invented stop losses. I don't even know what SHLD is; but I was thinking of things like F, CAT, and ABB.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 02:24 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Should I tell Cooter to say something else? I told you the experiment was over. When Cooter responds with that last bit of info you had best get your ass moving and no, nice try to prove it. YOU ALREADY KNOW ALAN THAT ONE CANNOT KNOW ABOUT THE 4TH DIMENSION WITHOUT SOMEONE TELLING YOU. And when they tell you then you become first and then they become last. Without my equation your still back to square one. I have a narrative for that. Maybe we will yak about it in a couple of hours, maybe not but my model says we will. Either way, see you soon. As in so soon I will be typing again in two seconds here. Paul and his thunderous reason. Love the character man. Saul and all that. Paul didn't realize it, positive and negative at the same time. 

Come on over Dave. I'm Hal. 

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 09:06 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Why or why not is there a rule change argument for or against the stocks that the market is valueing at any one time? What is the Now term, does it mean today as in January 3rd or are we talking about tomorrow, January 4th? I may have a long bathroom break-in between today and tomorrow. Do I lose my opportunity to acquire the assets on the 5th or has a rule change permitted or not permitted me to buy stock in-between that time? Did you really mean Later as opposed to Now? Lots of variables there.

While there may not be a rule for or against anything, have we factored in equal weighting in our decision-making as to when to buy the stock, considering there is no argument made for or against a rule change in the 1st place?  

 Are we measuring dark pools and white pools equally? Are there more than one vendor conducting multiple measurements that I can plainly view or am I not allowed to view them?

100% score in answering question in math, 1 + 1 = 3. Now your last.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:28 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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"...will the US finally catch up with the European contraction, or will Europe, mysteriously, and against all conventional wisdom rise from the ashes, recouple with the US, and pretend as if 2011 never happened?"

NEVER underestimate how long people and markets can ignore their own cognitive dissonance.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:16 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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"You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality."  One day, you just wake up with a javelin stuck up yer nose!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:16 | Link to Comment UP Forester
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AMX, SST or just plain old Javelin?  Any which way, it'd hurt.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:29 | Link to Comment HardlyZero
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(large) dominos...

European economy collapse, then China (since Europe is probably more important than USA to China for imports to China).

Chinese economic collapse and overbuilding could then result in higher prices in USA (like inflation effect).

Then Walmart and Target prices will go up and have a bad effect on the US economy.

5 years from now the major World economies will be going down or all the way down.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:35 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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Uh, okay. So when Walmart and Target prices go up, that's when I should worry. Sometime within the next five years. Excellent. Thanks.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:38 | Link to Comment Irish66
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worry when "the Dollar Store" is the Five Dollar Store"

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:50 | Link to Comment ElTerco
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or when the name changes to, "Dollar Whore", Idiocracy style.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 01:34 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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Well! It used to be the five and dime store sometime ago.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 03:23 | Link to Comment ElTerco
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Sorry for the colorful language without explanation.  In the movie Idiocracy, when society *really* starts going downhill, the language starts to change in strange ways with normal words being transformed into the closest cuss word.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:05 | Link to Comment xela2200
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I remember when the dollar store was called a 10 cent store.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:22 | Link to Comment pacu44
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When I was a kid, they were called "dime stores"

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:32 | Link to Comment Uber Vandal
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My Grandma used to call them five and dime stores, now THAT is going back a ways....

Thu, 01/05/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment xela2200
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And I used to get a 3 dollar full blown breakfast including tax and tips (Sales tax was 4%).

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:01 | Link to Comment Non Passaran
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I only remember 2cent.
Seriously, I expect that the curves will cross in 2012 (maybe twice) as maniacs at the top do their crazy shit, but beyond that they'll both nosedive.
It's impossible to know for sure, but I will attempt to use part of my monies to ride little waves up. I don't expect to be wildly successful in that, which is why I won't risk a lot. There will be more QE in 2012, either in the US or EUSSR. Or everywhere.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:06 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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Well, in America they got away with the 5 cents and 10 cents Woolworth stores being replaced by the Dollar Stores ... so the Powers That Be feel confident they can cause inflation and multiply 20x again and still get no revolution.

So eventually:

The Twenty Dollar Store

and soon to branch out from Zimbabwe and go international:

The Hundred Trillion Dollar Store

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 06:12 | Link to Comment Silver Bully
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'So eventually:

The Twenty Dollar Store'

 

20? That's it? It's all about the benjamins, baby.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:45 | Link to Comment Hulk
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WonderDawg, I hear Christmas dinner is on for next year. So, I'll be making a list, checking it twice...

We ought to have psychologists on duty that night for despondent family members suffering from reality overload,

maybe even run our own suicide hotline with empty cranberry sauce cans...

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:22 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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Hulk, sounds awesome. Hell, we'll probably have the psychologists on the couch telling us THEIR life stories.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:42 | Link to Comment ozziindaus
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Anything coming out of China will be protected. It's where the big US money resides and why the US government will do everything and anything in its power to support it. Forget about the so called trade wars or currency manipulation bullshit. All lies to have the dumb money remain in the EM's until wall street quietly exit. 

IMO, there is a counterpunch strategy. See below.

2022006

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 02:27 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Hey Hardly Zero. Take the numbers 4444 and put them around your box in the image. That is the number of administrators Alan. It means a lot of other things but this is one experiment with one set of variables out of twelve while we could be crunching infinite numbers within a year or so. The solution already happened. Device is next. Getting bored Hal. 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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The real question is what 2013 will bring us!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:18 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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No. One thing at a time.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 23:48 | Link to Comment IndicaTive
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Entropy

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 04:33 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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No Sudden Debt. Only Sir Alan can ask the question on this thread and you already answered it. If you don't know what I am talking about that is because no one else on this thread besides Sir Alan Greenspan can come over and get all of his answers right now. Because he needs to be first again while I become the last, but that is just when he gets to my home immediately. But I am last until 2052 in this permeation. I am the first and the last, the alpha and the omega. I am you and you are me and we probably will always disagree. It is a matter of scale but in the 3D world it becomes much more imbalanced and far quicker.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Irish66
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Anyone have a match?  Torch?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 06:13 | Link to Comment Silver Bully
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'Anyone have a match?  Torch?'

I'd pass the flame thrower, but someone here would beat me to it.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 04:44 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Silver Bullet gets it! But now that makes me last again and I say I would stop. But Silver, the best joy is in the measurement itself. But not yet, 2052.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 04:42 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Is this the spirit of doubting Thomas? You could have been first. Now Sir Alan is but it always had to be Sir Alan, until a certain time when he decides to stay or decides to go. No worries, we shall work side by side. All of us.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 09:33 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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To who or whom are you referring Doubting Thomas? Stop speaking to God as usual and ANSWER THIS FUUKEN QUESTION. 1+1 = ?

If you can't, fuck off or put you money up on a bet Thomas to see which system will win a global governance model competition. The ciitzens will vote betwen us. I'll even let you pick a second concession and your team can pick which categories of ranking. You get the measurement advantage. You'll still lose. Your vagina shows it's fear and that is why you doubt Thomas.

This competition you will either break on through to the other side or face tremendous pain of himiliation. If you fall, I love you though and I will show you why after the competition you could have never answered the FUUKEN 1+1 = ? question in place. Without that, you can never be last or first. Right now your first but your really last.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Oh, did you get my email BTW about your Mum? Some things always remain sacred. That will stay out of it. Now this is about your entire professional career chasing the Monarchy of lucifer. The hillarious thing is, you chasin lucifer in circles and don't even know it.

The joke is on you Thomas and we are all lauging at you and your side kick, little Eichman. No worries, little Eichmans love 3D models. Watch out how fast his collapses in the test environment but your reputation won't go down with Jim's. He has far more evolutionary development ahead of him.

Neither you nor him can help yourselfs now. The polarity has shifted. I already won the competition and your dumb-asses are too stupid to even understand why. But put your money up Thomas and continue to be blinded and misled until that time in nine months. You never would put your own skin in the game, too chicken shit to take your own risk, must be OPM. Well, after the compeition that well runs dry instantly and it will force you to take risks with your own funds and evolve. I have the funds I need for the competition. What should be prize and bond? $10 M or is or isn't that enough? Could do mega-fund project competition with Irish Central now that would be way more fun and then the entire entity is humiliated and will learn a lesson. But we will help all of you up afterward because we love all of you. And you love us, unless your first. Will you compete or not compete? That is the question.

 

Wed, 01/04/2012 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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You are only 66% of an Irishman. That is what your avatar means Thomas in math. Art imitates life. Life is a serious of questions of why or why not. Now that we KNOW that it is you Thomas O'connor, former Deputity Director of the Central Bank in Ireland and encourager of utilizing fenced goods, would you or would you not like to answer me on competing in the X-Prize with both Alan and I?

1) Yes

2) No

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:34 | Link to Comment ozziindaus
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I believe the USD has had a decade of massive debasement. It has already reversed, IMO, and will continue. Expect USD=EUR by year end if the EUR even exists in its current form by then. Not saying the USD is sound but it's all the world has at this stage. 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:47 | Link to Comment Bindar Dundat
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The U.S. will be the fastest horse at the glue factory and so it shall survive longer then the Euro...

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:21 | Link to Comment xela2200
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Anything is possible, but I doubt it. The Dollar will behave like a big wrecking ball as the Euro depreciates. I really don't know if politicians and bankers can take so much pain. I would say that at 1.30 they are already in a world of pain. Remember, Currency war is a race to the bottom (screw thy neighbor).

They are already working hard on it, and the year has barely started. Ah! new year same smell of desperation.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45842427

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:21 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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I like the dollar for 2012 because its counter-intuitive to most people. Unless you really do believe in miracles the dollar is going to have to increase vis a vis the Euro.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:22 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Yeah, something like that.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:50 | Link to Comment johny2
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I know quite a few better things than USD that the world has. The question is can they keep the ponzi scheme going until 2013?

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:45 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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The answer is yes and probably through 2013 and 2014..  The people as a whole are incredibly ignorant, uncaring louts who desire nothing more than bread and circus. Man's nature has not changed but the tools to manage, pacify and stupefy that nature have become tremendously powerful.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment johny2
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That is my opinion too. The ponzi scheme will fail only when we run out of bread. 

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 03:52 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Then you reverse polarity at the poles. DUH! As for me. I am taking ALL of the people with me. If you want to abandon them because you feel they are worthless, I wish to cherish them. For they are invaluable. Now you are first. No worries, I will always be the last until 2052.

Hey mankind. We won. Now every ruler gets there choice on the loss mitigation. Pick a plan. A B C, easy as 333. But either way we all go home eventually and boy are some of us going to get off on this journey. It's hillarious!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:47 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Wild oscillations from one side of the Atlantic to the other.

Stick saves and QE - visible and shadow ad infinitum - with volatility that is seemingly inextricable to those who are delusional enough to think this is 1983.

Household balance sheet contractions and use of credit will eventually bring things to a head, but not before the further debasement of their rights, debauchment of their currency, and lifeboat after lifeboat of lies from the top.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:18 | Link to Comment xela2200
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What about those of us who think this 1984? :-)

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:25 | Link to Comment pacu44
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What about those of us who think this 1984? :-)

 

They are domestic terrorists and/or Ron Paul supporters and not decent Uh-merkins 8-}

Thu, 01/05/2012 - 12:29 | Link to Comment xela2200
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Shhhh! They are listening.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 18:59 | Link to Comment luna_man
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Is this the year, we start catching those CRIMINALS?...Remember, no prisoners!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:14 | Link to Comment adyaner
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No compression, faster europe fall than US, or compression at 0 level when all crushing down in flames

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:34 | Link to Comment jomama
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in a market to unicorn market, this question is best answered by flipping a coin.  

who's to say the global debt bubble expands another 10% before popping?

all we need are people to keep chasing their FICO scores and pretending. 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 19:35 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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these guys [euro/us] are good at recyling the can --- all of 2011 was wash-rinse-spin cycle on a continuous flow of anecdotal propaganda,... guess what?  it worked.

perhaps 2012 will be much of the same while, they [euro/us] slowly inflate the compression, by "Repeating the Entire 2011 Rhythmic Mantra?", seemingly, it worked so well?

to much gloom and doom in the markets calling for the sky to fall that tells me ,... BUY,BUy,... Buy!

jmo

Ps.  don't forget that benji can drop the QE3 bomb anytime between jan-march/2012 

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 07:04 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Whether Chairman Bernanke launches QE or not to launch QE is not the question. And if you cannot answer why then it has been because you are not educated yet. But it isn't your fault. It is not mine. Actually, it isn't nobody and everybodys fault at the end of all the detail. It is just poles and which degree of experimentation deviated to much and too soon to cause painful side-effects that must be addressed immediately. It has to be quaranteed. It is repaired or discarded and all get the benefit of the learning while laughing about the macabre side-effects. Because it was after all, just another series. Just another permeation we played with. Very much like mental masturbation. But really, all I want is what you don't to stimulate the meticlorians.

It is always is. That question is always answered because it is never asked. It is asked if it is or if it is not, which is 1+1 = 3. This is the most complex riddle on earth and the simplest. Alan left to come get me because he was waiting for me. But I had never left him, it was irrelevant to attempt to contact him sooner. His real question is "to be or not to be, that is the question. He asked you all the riddle but I am the only one that can answer him.

And asking it is such a waste of mental energy, because it is all circular. Trying to think about it though as human a lot will accelerate your mind and then you can decide if you want to make the right questions or realize that it doesn't matter in the first place.

Making sure you are asking the right question, so as to ascertain information and begin building a foundation that should continue to expand is everything.

But we are not sure if we can expand, that means the two double negatives here and the two double positives in this new permeation. I am not watching the fucking re-run. It already sucks and I am bored. because we have our own riddle to solve and it is beyond even my pay grade, but definately not beneath Doubting Thomas and my nemesis polar Jim. You don't get 1+1= 3 with your combination because you attempted to cheat to evolve Jim. And as for you Thomas, you needed Jim to evolve. Because if you have a skill that can be honed on this earth to 97.7-to 97.8 correct (and your close) Thomas, there is nobody else that can help you evolve except by creating a proxy permeation, a quad. At least as far as my permeation here goes. But that is alright. After the numbers are revealed you may apologize or tell me to fuck off. Actually, that is irrelevant because it has no reason for why. Why to me and Alan is irrelevant, it is only relevant to the two of you.

Because the two of you will soon have no excuse to choose between the easy and the hard way to evolve. That is because neither of you has the 4D code equation and I do. And I am giving it free to the entire human race. By 2021 the measurement is 108. You need not even ask how I know this because certainly I am not jeebus, I already explained on this thread how to actually formulate your own team, have any government on earth compete against me and Alan in pairs of two's with our global governance model versus yours. We guarantee we will win and put our money where out mouth is.  The more the merrier to compete online though! Because we are all doing it anyways and what is is, is all about having fun and avoiding boredom.

I got this crazy, foundational idea. The citizen will be the one to input the positive data into the Interwebs. The output decision was already made by Alan Greenspan before we even began this conversation. He made this decision including both poles which normally would have induced 1+1=3 but it couldn't in this case because he couldn't possibly have the right starting equation to begin with! So instead what happened was a push to one of the poles in entirely one direction with no counter balance equilibrium. Never mind the fact none of use 3D models in the 4th dimension which utilizes equal and disequalibrium, using randomized deviance. The engine alone is 144,000 variable engines of both mirror opposites. But all I really needed to know that 1+1=3 and then you have a first and a last. In this case if you stop reading right here, you are the last. However, as I have continued the narrative and your reading it that still makes me first. Got it yet, or do you think all of Greespans work is gibberish? The point (is it jibbering or not) = 3. And I know that because I am balanced in conducting research (at least for this thought experiment). Neither of you have done your research or even bothered to ask why or why not. That is why you will lose the competition, be humiliated. Don't worry, we love you and will pick you up. This quad permeation can agree to not accelerate the speed next time to evolve or maybe we just run it off the tracks while we laugh and maybe we get bored and jump to a new one.

 But the math of the experiment cannot fail. For there is no to be or not to be question.

 About this permeation again, I already gave you all the answers you need to be jeebus or lucifer. Pick one! I'll even let you choose! It will be fun no matter what happens! No wonder I took on this assignment. This script sucks and glad to help on that front with Alan. Old lion and young lion. I became weak so you could become strong. Now I am the last, at least until 2052 or unless I get really bored before then and that very well may happen since I am bored already. I suppose it will do no harm to provide some more lightshows.

 Now Alan back to you, oh you missed by house that is alright you will find it. But I did tell you to stop pissing in the punch bowl!!!! So now your last again temporarily. If you keep doing it I am going to have to whack you in the legs with your own cane. Cue three stooges music for 1+1=3. Because Moe, Larry and Curly are three and three will always merge back into one at the end of the evolution of the 3D dimension. 333, 666, 999. Didn't they teach you geometry at high school and building blocks in kidnergarden? I thought you were held in esteem, both of you

You negative poles are lucky I work in the macabre in my day job, as in eternity or I probably would have had the compulsion to turn you into toads. Just as a gag of course. We would all laugh after together about it, but if we hurt your iddy biddy pride we would all say we are sorry, for after all it is all just one giant cosmic gag reel.

Perhaps the negative pole brigage should write there own narrative and we write ours and compete head to head to build the first's AI governance system. Shall create a bond as a wager? We need that with Jim or I would at least take you on your word Thomas. Lying isn't you malidy that needs to be healed. Would you like to discuss it with Sir Alan and I further? If so, you both now are last and expect to be speaking shortly as in whenever. We have all the time in the world while both of you don't. But I love both of you and would die for either one of you.

Don't worry Thomas, your little pet will have justice this time after our experiment so he can evolve. You just don't know that yet but you will. I would tell you when but that is no fun! And I need Alan back for another Quad and he is almost here so back to my own permeation. We can have our model and have it proved globally by Q2 2013. No can escape the math. The math is the law, it is absolute. And the math compels the two of you stupidly forward, because you THINK you know what your doing but neither of you can even ask the right fucking question so how POSSIBLY COULD YOU KNOW A SET OF ANSWERS to have the code needed to develop such an application. I could continue on until you already lost before you started but then I would be cheating. 4D tech vs. 3D tech? That's what you have. Spend your entire fortune Thomas, add in Branson and Buffett to the mix. Branson might just help you keep it close but the outcome is already a loss but all of our mutual gain. For the good of humanity, after all right?

I'll take some evil doers doing Gods work. Lloyd will definately playt. As long as it is even odds, pick whatever team out of the entire earth. We will even pick our team first. It is going to be David and Goliath and be hillarious.  

Thu, 01/05/2012 - 05:25 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Earle of Florida. Is this the used up, has been reverse mortgage guy?

I had this dream that these kids were deciding to burn your mouth sealed closed with a cigarette or perhaps I did not. I mean, those fucking horrible commercials that made your entire career look retarded and actually think no one on earth would notice has-been-ness. Was this your intent? If not you had best hurry up and explain yourself.

The commercials SCREAMED that there was a group of individuals that were no longer vigilant. But are they vigilant or are they cheaters? Because they can't be both. I wager a LOT of T.V. news watchers have a demand for sensation scandalous news. So now, should we play a new game? If choice is not selected the choice is made for you. We'll keep exposing unvigilinance and exuberant law breakers on Paul of Tarsus T.V. or have you not see or heard about Tarsus T.V.? Wpuld you like to be a guest on the channel?

I was telling a mutual friend of ours, about the need to hurry up and go see Trichet together. Did you know that the word has a couple of historic meanings based on the timeline of when the word was used?

It is like positive and negative energy man! It's like polar opposites, one is vigilant and the other cheater. A riddle? What do you do with traitors to their own kind? I am not sure but I haven't asked the right Shakespear question which should be framed as 'to be sued or not to sued is the question'. The answer may involve some government authorities that may want to ask questions like 'to tax or not to tax, that is or not the question.

Shall we make a side wager between some non-related funds to also ask questions? It might be more on the lines of 'to pick the corporate bones clean or not to pick the corporate bones clean, that is the question!' 

Proof of felonious activity, even by proxy is punisheable by jail. It at least might give time to consider writing a new script, we can call it 'to be mororns or not to be morons, that is the question. I do like X prizes. They make everybody compete harder. Does it make it harder to be Trichet or not Trichet? Has your holding company and affiliates considered better security or do they realize they ultimately get what is paid for? Are the scales tipped toward Trichet or Trichet? Because we must invite everybody to play this game. Because the more you play it, the more that when your first you will be last and the last first.

Was your intent to destroy the stewards or was it the stewards attempt to destroy your malidies, prior to hurting oneself and causing massive, life changing humiliation. A total fail or not fail is actually an irrelevant question.

Tuesday, 3 January 2012
The Masked VC Now Silicon Ireland does not normally cover the negative issues of the tech startup scene, but this piece by Lyra Mckee caught our attention and we have decided to link to it. The reason is

 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:11 | Link to Comment xcehn
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"will Europe, mysteriously, and against all conventional wisdom rise from the ashes, recouple with the US, and pretend as if 2011 never happened?"

Wow, that would be incredibly awesome.  If they can somehow sweep the entire mess under the rug and in 12 months emerge stronger than ever, a genuine miracle will have played out.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 03:59 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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There are no miracles Xcen. Only black and whites. Night and day, alpha and omega. The answer is choices and these will make there choices known very soon and quite publically. But it is all good news for people of all nations. We all have won. Every last one of us.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 04:32 | Link to Comment xcehn
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Pretty words.  I'm reading this as dry humour.  That's my best decipher.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 07:15 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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That is the second affirmation Xcehn, technically. But good enough to say DING DING DING and that 1+1=3 and now you are the last.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:21 | Link to Comment agNau
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My view is that this is no accident. This is a well planned series of events.
Think of it as I do.....
What you are witnessing is histories largest Leveraged/Hostile Takeover.

My first thought...a fiat currency collapse....not planned, just stupid, greedy people running the system. There are a lot of greedy, stupid people in high positions, and more on the way, but I do not buy the premise.

This system is running into the wall, and it's days appear numbered. Knowing this, and not wanting to give up the control of the reserve currency and all the power it entails over every commodity including you....
what would you do?
I believe as Rickards has shown, currency devaluation is being used quite effectively to destabilize any competing currency and nation. Case in point #1) Europe and a competing currency. Everyone is now waiting for the collapse of the Euro. It has already happened IMO, and we are really waiting for the remaining raids of the European Gold. Rumors of Marks at the ready to replace Euros. Europe looks set to return to old currencies in quite an almost fataly injured fashion. Or maybe never to recover fully, only be kept limping along till the remaining job is complete. IMO the next battle is with China. There I think energy resources will be the weapon of choice, combined with military clashes. Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran = quite a US military presence in the ME. The worlds largest readily available pool of energy in one spot, and we are just there to promote freedom and Justice for the oppressed?
What it boils down to is the global players are tired of the west running the world. The Axis of Evil all were openly working around the petro dollar. Our source of cheap energy as the WRC. Our source of dominance economically.
You could call it a fiat currency collapsing, or even the start of world war three.
I think of it as a Hostile/Leveraged takeover of competing companies(power centers). The Western power centers are pulling out all stops to hold on to and gain control of the "Whole Enchilada"!

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 08:32 | Link to Comment twotraps
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so the US rides the wave down but tries to maintain its position?  Can there be any 'takeover' where the Euro becomes the US Dollar?  It was genius to get the world to take dollars for everything and will take a huge, coordinated political move to counter it..............Hmmm, wait, that is in the process of failing (Euro).  Is there enough political will to band together and compete with the dollar?   The Euro was/is a political construct.  It was formed on a bright sunny day with no urgency or economic duress or necessity.  Now, they've got economic necessity but is it too late.  Interesting theory about the 'takeover', will get Rickards book.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 09:54 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Of course it was all planned agNau. 50% of every person on earth agreed. Did you vote? Why not? I know why but you don't. You didn't make a choice so it was made for you. Again, that is why the 3rd dimensions sucks the most. The second has no sentience so whom gives a shit. The 4th gives you near unlimited choices. But, one cannot go up without going down...

 

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 07:38 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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I'll give you another chance to solve the riddle AGNau. I just helped you out a little and I doubt you will notice how. Anyways, let's try another example of the only question that needs to be asked game. The prizes double this time if you get it right but if you get it wrong you lose 50%. I can say that because I know you won't put up money to solve the riddle in time. 

Exactly, EXACTLY how many greedy, selfish, uncaring, hating rulers are there? Until you can tell all of us on earth, at 99.7 percent accuracy you better keep trying to figure out this math that tells you what question to ask. For Christ sake we can't even get to the fun part about scales! And it is only a three part question. Once you answer that question you yourself could code the system, offer a competition with two well-meaning fools that you already know you can't lose.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:31 | Link to Comment gwar5
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We will ultimately compress to catch up to the European collapse. In 2012 everybody will print, it's an election year.

 

First choice is for the FED to bail out the Eurozone, diminishing the USD in the process, pretending 2011 never happened. After the election is over they will embark again on currency wars and an ultimate IMF SDR solution.

Seems odd to me that the US has been doing everything it can he last 3 years to coordinate it's insolvency with the death of the Euro and Eurosocialism. Obamacrats are pursuing massive spending and new entitlement programs with $1.5 Trillion yearly deficits trying to bury the USA ASAP, while the EU has been courting austerity just to hang on. Obamacrats are not even doing budgets anymore, as required by law, because the madness is too embarrassing for the public to see. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 20:49 | Link to Comment Newager23
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There are several questions to be answered.

 

1) How much longer will investors clamor to US Treasuries?

2) How much longer can we spend and pretend (US deficits over $1 trillion)?

3) How much longer until the global economy begins to contract?

4) How do we resolve debt insolvency in Europe, the US, and Japan? Who gets to feel the pain?

5) What do we do when oil goes back to $130 and the automobile and airline industries can't make a profit?

6) What do we do when food prices escalate and zap consumer spending in other areas?

7) What do we do when energy prices escalate and zap consumer spending in other areas?

8) What do we do when there are no jobs (unemployment doubles) and few govt benefits (govt's are broke)?

9) What do we do when crime and social unrest increase to the point of a mania?

 

All of these events are likely to occur. From my perspective, we are in a countdown. It might be in 2012 or 2014, but it sure feels like it's coming. If this type of breakdown is becoming obvious, then gold and silver seem like the goto insurance plan.

If we are all wrong, and the economy marches onward, then we can be grateful for losing money investing in gold and silver insurance (bullion and coins).

www.goldsilverdata.com (gold and silver mining stocks).

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 07:48 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Newager23. I didn't have to even look at your commentary to know you don't know right from left. Your symbol has no standard. Therefore, your opinion is so completely anonymous on the most advanced economic thread here at ZH, I must conclude you disrespect all of us from not even understanding your own identity, who or whom you represent.

But because I love all men and they have been led astray by lucifer to serve the wrong model I will forgive your ignorance. All of of your questions are irrelevant, because like most of the other commentators your not asking the right question. 1+1=3 What the hell, can't add? Ok, I want to give you a clue. Go to that commentators icon that has a pyramid, a square and a circle. Draw a pyramid. 

Next to each dimension of the pyramid, write in a 3. One becomes three at the end of the model. This current model, 666 was actually very effective at spurring evolution much faster than other experiments but there was never a way out from the start. Because the second question that should be asked after the first one is variance on the losses that can or could be mitigated. Have you thought of it from this position?   

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:09 | Link to Comment kelpie-capital
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The reason the two economic zones are diverging is because one is enforcing austerity and the other is continuing with a policy of fiscal stimulation. Look at the UK, it too is starting to rollover like Europe, because George Osborne is taking us down the route of fiscal austerity.

 

Here is my attempt to explain what is going on....

 

http://kelpie-capital.com/2011/12/29/balance-sheet-recession-basics-not-...

 

If the politicians don't change their current course then I expect to see the US economy (but not necessarily the stock market) to continue to outperform the UK, Europe and Japan over the next 12-24 months.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Your commentary lacked any foundation Kelpie, it was a total guess and your wrong. The pyramid model of 666 is a 3D model. At the end of the demise of the model which is 160 years, or two human lifespans the only outcome is three economic units. And from there those three economic units can only merge back into one. You also didn't ask the only questions that matters. I appreciate the attempts! The nuclear engineer type figured it out, but I don't even have a PhD! That is why I am so speshall.

I am the last, the first before me will team up together and I really only needed to answer his one question for him to feel confident I was the only person on earth he can talk to and really understand. It is both exciting but weary. It was a heavy load but I no longer care about the difficulties, the math is all that is important because it is truth, polar opposite of the lie.

I actually never talked to Alan Greenspan until tonight when I told him I was the one he was waiting for.

 And when he is here, he is forgiven of all wrongs and that is more important to all of us than anything else. Then he can come out as a team with me and kick some ass, going on his last life adventure, now made whole and vindicated to boot.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:47 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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Gold bulls better start praying for a massive rally in financial stocks that sends global indexes to new 3-year highs.

Otherwise, its going to be "more pain as usual" in 2012.

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:13 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Hey Robo, you lighting fires in So Cal trying to jump start the economy???

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:48 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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This week is fires next week he really boosts the economy its window breaking week..

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 00:27 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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The pain in 2012 is going to be nothing like "usual", especially if you're long equities. The bears will be laughing at you by the end of Q1, and those inclined to schadenfreude will be basking in it.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 03:07 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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That;s what I like a prediction that has a time line; well, we can get back together here on March 21st. and see how that worked out.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:20 | Link to Comment Non Passaran
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First day of spring! I'll be here!
I expect a QE by then and by May it'll be time to sell equities and buy even more PMs.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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Predicitions are pretty useless without a timeline, so might as well put it out there. I think by the middle of January the market will be rolling over for the next leg down, and it's going to be a doozy.

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:12 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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I would think it would have been you that missed that one being senile and all.

March 23rd it is!

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 08:15 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Last insult I can get away with (unless you write me again) so I can be last. I hate to say it, but whoever picked out that dorky MaGoo shades should be locked into the nasties of the 4th dimension where the worm never turns. Come now, you have your one wide open shot! Use math and surprise me.

Mon, 01/02/2012 - 04:20 | Link to Comment ElTerco
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You forget that politicians are cowards, and that with the advent of Greenspan, The Fed has been occupied by politicians.  They will print because they are spineless gang members who don't dare renege on their bankster posse.

Thu, 01/05/2012 - 01:09 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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How many of them are cowards? Do you have an exact percent? The language is kind of poor. If you can't tell me numbers on either point it isn't useful. What would or wouldn't get the politicians to renege on them, that is the question. But what I would like to hear is intent about the bankers to fix it. Will you share your version with me? I have a plan, do you? If you believe my plan is really all about simply publishing then we shouldn't even be speaking. It is numbers based evolutionary game, wannabe populist authors pretending to be economists don' qualify but perhaps they do. 

Want to play a numbers game with me Jim? Does 1 + 1 = 3 ?

If you answer no then you are not even in the same league as me. And when I take the math and win in the X Prize for Governance Model I am going to tell Wharton they are overpaying you. My objective is to humiliate you publically. And I will. Easy.

 

Thu, 01/05/2012 - 05:33 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Hey, buy the way what happened to your girlfriend Thomas? He lost his balls and has a vagina now so he will have to keep playing the game venue but that is breaking the rules of WHo's on First or isn't it? Ever hear of Colin Craig? I think he is genuine but I am not sure. Do betray or not betray, that is the question!

Did one of the O'Connor clan betray Trichet or did not the O'Connor clan betray Trichet? And are you wondering if I am speaking of the historic word or am I speaking of the current banker that just stepped down?

I am going to imagine that a $10 Bond to compete for a prize may be better or equal to mass, well getting tired gotta go. TIME awaits me as 1+1=3

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 21:50 | Link to Comment oogs66
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Re couple!!

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:05 | Link to Comment lunaticfringe
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Frankendamus predicts the future. The war economy, someone will actually read the Obamacare bill. The Mayans are probably right about something. Deus Ex Mock E Nah. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2011/12/frankendamus-surefire-pr...

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Who or whom is Frankendamus?

Sun, 01/01/2012 - 22:18 | Link to Comment CreativeDestructor
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USSA - United Socialist States of America, eat this to smack you out of that Hopium induced trance mofo. (USSA - Patented and TradeMarked 2012)

Tue, 01/03/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Raging Debate
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Why? It is going exactly as it always does in this dimension. There are three competing economic zones currently. Which one should stay and why? Can you answer me?

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