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Man Commits Suicide In Broad Daylight On Athens' Syntagma Square To Protest "Occupation Government"
The Arabian Spring started after the self-immolation of a 26 year old fruit vendor in Tunisia to protest a life he could no longer live. Will the European Summer set off with a suicide as well? News are crossing that a few hours ago, a 77 year old Greek has killed himself in broad daylight on Athens' symbolic and inappropriately named Syntagma square to protest the "occupier government" and not wanting to be a burden to his child. As Kathimerini reports, "an elderly man committed suicide on Friday morning in Syntagma Square in Athens, in front of Parliament. Some reports said witnesses claimed the man shouted «I don't want to leave debts to my children,» before he shot himself in the head. According to Skai TV, witnesses said the man did not say anything. The incident occurred shortly before 9 a.m. when the square was full of people and commuters using Syntagma metro station. The man had positioned himself next to a big tree and was not in view of most people in the square. Two people who were sitting on a bench some 10 meters away have been questioned by the police." Will this latest tragedy provoke a groundswell popular response? We doubt it - alas the status quo appears set to continue chugging along as per usual, taking advantage of appathetic and welfare addicted societies around the world.
Keep Talking Greece has more on the tragedy:
It was short before 9 o’ clock in the morning when stunned passers-by heard a gunshot and saw a man falling dead. Right there, next to a flowerbed, behind the biggest tree of the park, at the entrance of the Metro at Syntagma Square, near the stairs leading to the Greek parliament, in the heart of Athens. The elderly man, estimated around his 60?s, put the gun on his head and pulled the trigger. A single bullet to give an end to a life of despair.
The sound of the gunshot froze the people walking at the square, during the morning rush hour.
Police and ambulance rushed to the spot, his corpse has been taken to the morgue.
Up to this hour there is no police statement about the identity of the man.
Some Greek media quoted an eye-witness claiming the man shouted “I don’t want to leave debts to my children.” Other eye-witnesses claimed, the man said nothing before pulling the trigger.
Latest information has it that the man was 77 years old, according to his Identity Card.
A tragedy with unknown motives, a shocking act to end the day at its start…
Suicides saw a dramatic increase during the last three years of deep economic crisis. According to Greek Ministry of Citizen Protection, the suicides and attempted suicides saw a sharp rise of 22.5% since 2009. A total of 1,727 recorded suicide death and attempted suicide incidents have occurred nationwide since the Greek recession began in 2009.
The number of suicides and attempted suicides jumped from 507 in 2009 to 622 in 2010, marking a 22.5 percent increase, and to 598 in the last year up to until December 10, 2011.
And courtesy of George Mitakides, this is what the suicide note said:
h/t Nikolaos
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The Banksters own our government, they will collect and there is only one way out unless we get off our knees and tell them to Go and shove their fraudulent debts up their collective rears. I'd rather be an Icelander than Greek.
Apparently Iceland had enough politicians that were for the people. The US doesn't. In fact I am convinced when you hear the US politicians use the phrase "the American People" all the time it's because they aren't American and they are referring to another class of people. A class that is viewed as much lower of course. Just look at Greece........IMF implanted politicians. Why burn buildings down when the same assholes fucking you are still alive?
American politicians? Fuck that. They all go over to Israel, to pledge allegence to them. NJ gov. Is doing that right now.
That's only one......the rest of our politicians including the current administration hate Israel and do everything they can to derail them.
huh? /sarc?
Not keeping up with the due diligence again?
Do you feel like maybe you're out of the loop?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/03/obama-administration-media-campaign-to-stop-israeli-strike-on-iran/
"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country." Patton.
Remember when the shit hits the fan take out a banker and politician BEFORE you check out. Its your duty to your fellow countrymen.
+1
Walk like an Icelander.
Let the deprogramming commence.......this may be a little uncomfortable.
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Rethought it huh? Probably a good call.
It's getting a little hairy in here.
Meanwhile in Oakland, California 43yo man majoring in nursing gets expelled from unaccredited "college" and shot and killed 7 people at the school. Then he went to go grocery shopping at a supermarket where he was caught.
Divorced and his construction company failed.
His brother was killed in during Army special forces training.
His mother passed away in 2011
Mr. Goh had debt and tax lien by the Internal Revenue Service.
America tend to make everyone nuts.
Brought up in our fine no consequences.....everyone gets trophy school system no doubt.
I surprise he intended to pay for it and didn't just loot the store instead.
how can an unaccredited school have a nursing program? can you trust those nurses?
It was a Christian school.
The guy turned himself in at the supermarket by telling the customer service rep that he shot bunch of people.
He was packing .45 caliber.
gun ownership in amrka, working as intended.
(and yes not ALL who own guns will use them in anger on others, but one has to admit, some do, and many will, as things worsen)
My brother, a tax accountant, tried to help a guy who had not a prayer to cover tax penalties. When he told the IRS representative that the guy won't be able to pay this over decades, the IRS agent said, "He's still young." Got ammo?
That's not the way it works... The IRS takes your net (note: after a reduction for your debts) assets plus your monthly take home to determine what you can pay... so, if the kid has net assets and/or a decent job, then he'll be expected to pay for a long time. Often times the best thing to do is the whole lump sum fiasco... this can be accomplished quite a few ways, but I know of quite a few people who have borrowed more than they paid for a house (presuming a favorable appraisal) and used the loan proceeds to pay the IRS...
the trick is converting nondischargeable debt to dischargeable debt... or, alternatively, not having anything to pay the IRS. For people who know of likely or pending tax issues, I would suggest selling all real property at an arguably arm's length transaction... (must avoid fraudulent conveyances). If they don't have a lien on your balls, then they're much more likely to play ball on a smaller settlement. Once the lien gets filed, you're screwed until you cut a deal.
It's also really, really important to fight it tooth and nail from the onset... this means working closely with your accountant as soon as the IRS alleges you owe additional tax... you ALWAYS need to keep an appeal to court in your back pocket... the IRS hates court. When you fail to respond, etc., you may waive your right to appeal.
Most of the time, the IRS simply takes its liberty with what it thinks you owe... this is often a simple matter for your accountant and is often times remedied through an amended tax return (or a bunch). However, when you simply fail to file a return, things get dicey.
PS, the statute of limitations is your buddy.
"the trick is converting nondischargeable debt to dischargeable debt... "
Brilliant comment. Let's just let that one sink in.
You're late for your EST appointment.
that's the name of the game. hate/love between allies and foes to keep them in check. divide and conquer including Israel. Americans Jews don't give a shit about Israel. American holiday Jews will sell Israel to Arabs for money if they could. It is just that their holocaust surviving parents are still alive.
Yeah.....but don't actually say that.
You are both liars.
Please attach the word "liar" to your screenames to update same
" It is just that their holocaust surviving parents are still alive."
Well the youngest surviving holocaust parents are 66. Are they still a majority of Isreali citizens? /s
Bullshit. Germany is to Greece as Israel is to ___?
The Greeks are such losers. I'm glad to see them suffer. A group of people who fails to defend their nation from an overthrow by bankers while willingly being raped is beneath contempt. Get a gun and take your country back Greek losers.
lead the way and show how, winner guy
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and since this is going to be an unpopular remark, let's pile on:
- as far as I remember what Iceland did was to refuse to bail out their banks - not to refuse to pay their sovereing debt
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No mercy, how sad, you need to find help!
I was not finished - hit the save button instead of preview
- the party is not over, politically, the 300-strong parliament that is supporting this government is going to face elections, soon
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what do you mean "no mercy"? this guy is ridiculing Greeks and writing something about rebellion by others - would you have misunderstood a line like "talk is cheap" better?
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The Greeks are such losers. I'm glad to see them suffer.
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lead the way and show how, winner guy
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and since this is going to be an unpopular remark, let's pile on:
- as far as I remember what Iceland did was to refuse to bail out their banks - not to refuse to pay their sovereing debt
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Ghordius
I was not finished - hit the save button instead of preview
- the party is not over, politically, the 300-strong parliament that is supporting this government is going to face elections, soon
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what do you mean "no mercy"? this guy is ridiculing Greeks and writing something about rebellion by others - would you have misunderstood a line like "talk is cheap" better?
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Actually, I don't think that at all. I think fightthepower got such negative ratings because he suggested " I'm glad to see them suffer. "
I wouldn't lend the Greeks one penny but I certainly am NOT glad to see them suffer. I don't want to see anyone suffer. Your comment was fair and prudent in my opinion. I am sad to see a Greek commit suicide when it is the local politicians that should be taken to task for selling its own people out. The only problem I have with the Greek people is their insistance on more financial aid when they have not solved their fiscal and political problems - it would be money wasted as we have seen with repeated bailouts and CACs. In other words, the Greek people just don't get it yet.
It's all odius debt.
Greek banks will soon be recapitalized with an estimated 30 billion to 50 billion euros, part of the country's second bailout, backed by the International Monetary Fund and European taxpayers. Analysts estimate Piraeus will take about 3 billion to 3.5 billion euros.
Sallas was put in charge of Piraeus by the government 21 years ago, before the bank was privatized. He owns about 1.5 percent of the bank, whose stock price has plunged 97 percent since its peak in 2007.
But Sallas and his wife and his two children have also run a series of private investment companies that public records show have sealed millions of euros in real estate business with Piraeus, deals that were not disclosed to shareholders.
In wealthy locations in Athens and its suburbs and on at least one Greek island, these companies bought properties with loans from Piraeus and then rented at least seven of the buildings back to the bank, which used them as branches. Piraeus also bought properties from the companies and financed other buyers to buy properties from them.
Among the most unusual deals were transactions involving companies linked to Staikou, Sallas' children Giorgos and Myrto, as well as key former Piraeus executives. These centered on the sale to Piraeus in April 2006 of three different properties, via three different private businessmen. According to property records, each of the businessmen bought a property for a knock-down price from the family companies and then sold them on to Piraeus for more than double that price. On paper, they generated a 160 percent total cash profit for the men, nearly 6 million euros, within the space of three weeks.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/02/us-greece-piraeus-idUSBRE83107...
Have some fucking compassion dude. I don't see you doing shit to stop the bankers from raping us here in the U.S.
If I had a dollar for every time an internet warrior spewed asinine polemics behind the warm embrace of internet anonymity, and was not indeed an effete, pimple-faced fuck, I would have enough to feed my daily ETF gambling without a trace of compunction.
Well said. Stories like this should make us feel compassion and more empowered than ever to say "enough is enough.". That could have been my dad.
Hell, might even reach TBTF status. :)
You'd be a god, better yet a banker!
"...and take your country back Greek losers."
He said, from the relative safety of his mother's sofa.
Troll much?
rsnoble said:
That kind of condescending contempt is typical for occupational governments, be they in Athens or in Vichy DC.
They also talk in the "we" "we" verb tense in a sickly cloying way. First because they aren't Americans look at some of the faces IManuhell, Grinchburg, Krakken, Wolfowish (made up name) the Prince of Darkness perl/swine. These people are not American they are not of any kind of European descent, so they use the term WE WE when talking about aggressive war waged by America and "we will defend America from (fake threat or aggression)"
Who the fvkc is this "we?" You are in no way Americans at all. You hijacked this fvcking country please exclude me from your sickening revolting "we?" TIA
Could you imagine what would happen if Americans tried to pull this off around the Capital Building?
http://images.angelpub.com/2010/01/3649/iceland-bailout-protests.png
Talk about a bloodbath. We're done. TARP decided our fate.
the only thing that suprises me more is that they don't take "them" some bankers with them before committing the act.
No doubt. We need to educate these people. LOL. Or at least ask them for a favor.
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No doubt. We need to educate these people. LOL. Or at least ask them for a favor.
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Which people? I'd say the people that aren't preparing themselves for financial and social upheaval that lies ahead are choosing to educate themselves the hard way. For some, that is the only way they learn.
Stop Paying Your Taxes
it's the only way to cut the suckers off at the pump (Govt)
in order to be an Icelander the Govt needs to give taxpayers (you) a vote on repaying the debt ...that ain't ever going to happen in our 'democracies'
C'mon Ireland, cut the suckers/fuckers off
If I wait a bit I can pay them with a one trillion dollar bill, same thing...
No, there's another way.
Stop taking tax money. And this is under my control. I literally don't see how to stop paying taxes. Do you?
But if enough people won't take stolen money -- then what good is it?
You can start by not paying [unconstitutional] taxes on your private property:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE3moX7F3z0
Then you can look into not paying unconstitutional income tax (I'll let you do the research on that, if you can be bothered).
Worked pretty well for Schiff's father.
They've got you well trained. Arfff arfff.
Guns don't kill people, banksters kill people
Colombian Gringo
"Coming to America soon"
Right, Americans sure have the balls to suicide in protest. It's like they all have that fine Tibetan blood, setting themselves on fire at the drop of a hat.
Nation of pussies is more like it.
There was the guy in Keene, NH last year. Did a "light my fire" on the courthouse steps. Ignored by the MSM. Viet Nam vet, I think.
That was mostly a child custody / father rights visitation case, not much economics iirc.
the man backhanded his four year old daughter, causing her mouth to bleed, for not "obeying an order" - yes, he was ex-military.
the police were called, government services entered, the drama spiraled from there - but it began with an event that wasn't resolved to his liking.
Ignored by the MSM and the sheople. When anyone in my circle mentions any kind of political self-immolation (mentioned a couple times) I bring up the NH guy. Nobody (all MSM addicts) ever heard of him.
His death, like this Greek guy's, entirely futile and done in vain. Sad IMHO.
At the end of the day, the Tunisian guy's death was probably similarly futile, I would venture to guess the Orange sellers in Tunisia still being slapped and robbed by the police there. Notice there is no press or comment on the current state of Tunisia.
Sounds like a self-imposed "Logan's Run" scenerio. If we all self-expire at the age of say 70 then it would solve some of the entitlement issues. No?
He shot the wrong guy.
He should have made a suicide bombing close to all the Greek tax evaders!
As long as you were included in that final embrace
No chance of any politicians committing hara-kiri through Shame.
exactly. that's why we'll have to do it for them.
He should have shot a bankster first before committing suicide.
He should have done it and then lived out the rest of his life in prison, not burdening his kids and being a crisis superhero.
Sooooo........don't shoot the banksters?
Killing is too good for them.
I'd rather see them consigned to a very long life of menial labor; Foxconn, but with less pay and more mandatory beatings.
No: put them to good use.
Use them for scientific testing. They'd benefit society more if one of their parasite bodies solved some health related issue--or allowed for some breakthrough genetic research.
Other than studies of cocaine tolerance curves, I fail to see what value they could provide; they aren't even the same species anyway.
They might have possible value as compost.
Splicing some swine genes to give them a corkscrew tail would be entertaining.
Now that's a simple solution. And given that there are 16 suicides per 100,000 people annually, and that banksters are some small fraction of bankers and some miniscule fraction of the 1%, this whole problem could be solved by late January--if we start in Jan. 1. It's quite like the concept of "Tax Freedom Day," but instead of working for the government until day X, we would be eliminating the government by day X, whcih, thereafter and forever more, would be known as Bankster Freedom Day--and all this could be ours (those of us who don't kill ourselves) for simply the cost of the additional bullet per suicidee. I'm in. If I decide to kill myself, I am taking a bankster with me; what more could you do for the world?
Bumper sticker: Don't waste a good suicide, kill a bankster first.
Why?
Shooting a bankster may make you feel better. But in reality makes you more like the Bankster you despise. Tis a problem. Notice how over the last 10 years the US has become more like the terrorists it despises.
And kill one bankster, hell kill 1000 and what happens? You get the death penalty and 250,000 25 year old kids apply for those 1000 bankster slots.
It is not the banksters. It is the system that allows them to flourish. It is a system that celebrates money and celebrity above all else.
You want change, change costs, and until everyone starts paying in blood, sweat and tears, nothing changes.
The solution is not shooting a bankster.
This message has been brought to you by the bankster union local 205.
Remember our motto......."SCREW EM!!!!"
Yes, pointing out the consequences of ones behavior and the macro implications, definitely suggests the bankster union.
Suggesting that killing one bankster, or 1000 won't change anything upset you?
Perhaps the truth hurts.
Last year ONE BANK - Goldman had 250,000 job applicants.
Ignore the fact that it is the system that is screwed. Take the easy way out shot a bankster, awesome solution. You get the death penalty and 250K people wait to take his/her job.
Until those 250k kids don't apply to Goldman, don't try and sell their souls for the possibility of a 7 figure future, nothing changes. Killing a bankster sure as hell ain't going to deter them.
But hey shooting the bankster will feel great, as does eating 6 big macs, and chasing it with a bottle of vodka.
Last year ONE BANK - Goldman had 250,000 job applicants.
....and only one righteous dude that walked away.
Your counterpoint Muppet?
The previous message brought to you by insane vigilantes with foaming mouths local 22.
So...how many have you "killed"? Ah. Thought so.
Who's more threatening, a guy that sounds like he spent some group therapy hours with the unabomber, or someone with a rational plan to put the banksters in check? They relish your childish response as it makes you so fucking easy to marginalize and ignore as there's very little chance anyone will take you seriously.
but he's dead and i'm still alive (hopefully. gotta watch out for these banksters. "they can handle a piece" too you know.) that strikes me as a difference.
"kill one bankster, he'll kill 1000... "
then you go on to say
"... It is not the banksters"
Your Post is contradictory. You clearly say the "Banksters" are killers, and then a few sentences later absolve them.
And just for clarification, at the root of the problem is the Central Banker Cartel and the Fiat Money System they created. Since the system they created and control does not penalize the owners for their criminal activities, they have severely limited the "lawful" options for people to deal with this Global Criminal Cartel.
Actually not contradictory at all.
I STATED: "kill one bankster hell kill 1000".
Very different than your reading of my comment.
What was that last thread where Lezzy was schilling for the total state? I forgot but it was pretty blatant (kind of like now)
Back into your cubicles sheople, Lizzy is here to correct us
Dood, re-read the OP. "hell" =/= "he'll"
edit: I's a little slow w/the 'refresh,' Lizzy.
I say we do both.
How many people will want to work in the banking industry if every day their lives may be ended by guns or grenades? If 1000 banksters are terminated on a day, I don't think you will get that many valiant applicants for those vacancies.
Don't simply blame the system. An evil system can never purely consist of innocent people.
Agreed. The solution is not shooting the banksters. Shooting the banksters just makes you the new predator in town and the new authority to be resisted.
The only way to defeat the current predators without becoming one is to retreat to a safe distance and starve the fuckers until they eat themselves. Doing anything otherwise equates to participation in the predator/prey game, and anyone who does so deserves whatever role in that game they get.
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Correct. The solution is shooting banksters.
Just one? Maybe we can start a fund to buy these people plane tickets to Washington and New York?
And you should know that the Greek Orthodox Church refuses to bury suicide victims. So those numbers will likely be a lot higher since people who commit suicide will do it in such a way that it will look like an accident.
Pity, he was probably NOT a Bankster...
ZH is eager to report these incidents in Europe, but not too much about i.e. Oakland shooting. Latter got some interest here in Europe.
Maybe becasue this incident hasd got some bearing on the general theme of the blog whilst the Oakland incident is just some bullied psycho that lost it.
Not too long ago the Belgium shooting was covered pretty well...he was a wacko, too.
I just mean that subjective newsmaking is subjective newsmaking. (but I like it that way)
Nolla, wasn't the Oakland incident more an internal Korean squabble?
If it is a Korean matter, why would you be surprised American press not too interested? Check the Chosan Ilbo front page maybe they cover it?
If it were here, it would have been reported that the 77 year old man was a deranged "white" hispanic who was shooting at a black dude in a hoodie, missed, & accidentally shot himself...
Hmmm....suicide over despair about personal debt...vs grudge killing over being kicked out of school.
Apples, oranges, kumquat...
Let's not talk about where and how a mentally disturbed Korean managed to get a handgun though.
Always back to guns.. .Disturbed people can ram trucks into crowds and then go on stabbing sprees even in homgenous Japan. How do we keep them from trucks and knives? Lets talk about the societal cost of removing guns from the populace, governments killed what last century, 100-120 million unarmed people.. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1812808,00.html
By getting them the help they need so they no longer feel like shooting and or ramming crowds, natch.
Who the fuck said anything about "removing guns from the populace"? Take your hand off your "piece"...I don't want it (with the number of self-inflicted GSW, I'll play the odds).
As for resisting your government like a colonial soldier, if you think that the .50 cal hidden in your floorboards is going to save your ass from fentanyl gas, whiskey pete, and cluster bombs you are sadly mistaken. If they want to kill you, they will, at the push of a button.
As for resisting your government like a colonial soldier, if you think that the .50 cal hidden in your floorboards is going to save your ass from fentanyl gas, whiskey pete, and cluster bombs you are sadly mistaken. If they want to kill you, they will, at the push of a button.
Oh this God-Damned italics/bold program skrews up every post i try to make.
Anyway Gmad- tell it to Ghaddafi bitch.
As for the koreans, I find it ironic that they are starting a shoot-em-up in America? shooting Virginia students, shooting each other, just fvcking shooting everybody WTF? In Korea even the gangsters don't use guns, the sheople universally (in korea) don't like and don't want guns .... but they come over here and it's Dodge City
Hope they visit you and Lizzy next gmad
Wow, that is some case of conflation you have there, better get some cream on that.. Fine, you want to talk psychological helplines or gun control? I love that argument, resistance is futile.. I will not waste my time on that you read some 4th gen wf, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, WWII Greece yes Greece and then come back to me with cogent arguments. Panties in a wad does not count as a cogent argument.
And I don't think he was referring to big-ass Merkel when he typed "thank you Angela"
Off topic but don't look now:
http://www.thedailybell.com/3757/US-Internet-Criminalization-Now-Pursued...
We need to somehow mobilize on this NOW and annihilate these bastards with public awareness or we're not going to be around discussing this type of stuff anymore.
I'm not an internet expert but this issue needs to get pounded daily.
Boy we have some real winners as politicians lmao. I can't wait for our families easter brunch at my sisterinlaws up the street. Her and my other sisterinlaw think everything is peachy king because they are both in health care, come home and watch fox news and both of them say they know everything is ok because they watch the stock market. I am going to have to slam a 1/5th of jack before I go there.
Unfortunately for me I'm pretty good at writing my feelings but im not spoken well because I get so mad listening to the stupidity the only thing that can come out of mouth is 'your a stupid fucking bitch' which ends up making me look like I don't know what im talking about. So I usually don't say much lol.
Awesome! First ear to ear smile of the day award to you sir!
Thanks. LOL.
Keep pounding the keys, it helps.
Next time you're in a live situation, take a moment to tell yourself "I will outlive this idiot". The little smile that comes to your face keeps 'em guessing.
Heh heh......
Same thing in Arizona:
http://jonathanturley.org/2012/04/03/arizona-passes-sweeping-law-crimina...
Everything makes total sense in the context of our pending economic and social meltdown. DHS buys 450 million rounds of ammo. The NDAA. The myriad of attempts to control speech on the Internet, etc. etc. etc. They know what we know, of course.
If calling someone a stupid fucking bitch is wrong, I don't want to be right.
Can we call it a depression yet?
No. In fact this probably won't even be in history books 50 years from now. LOL. Of course there may not be history books 50 years from now.
There will be no defaults.......a depression is totally out of bounds.
No. It's only a depression when bankers commit suicide.
Periods of massive unemployment, parabolic poverty rate growth, food riots, outbreaks of consumption, worker suicides and hunger related deaths is only classified as a mild recession.
Since the Fed instituted its suicide prevention program (1-800-Q-EASE-ME) it has essentially eliminated the possibility of the US ever experiencing a depression again.
Terrible
politicians and bankers, nation wreckers throughout history
This needs to be said. Money is NEVER worth dying over.
Doing something like this leaves a hole in the lives of loved ones and brings dispare to strangers that hereof it.
All this money stuff? Just paper, numbers some crooked banker created out of air on a computer. It's not real. Its not humanity.
Put the effort forth to change these fuckers from stealing the livelihoods of hardworking people who just want a small piece of life on this earth.
We can change this.
Tripple like.
Unfortunately, people use this money stuff, those numbers some crooked banker created out of thin air, in order to buy food.
I'm with those above, he shot the wrong guy.
Pity, really. He could have gone out a hero.
Like the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building a while back? People aren't heroes unless the media tells us that they are heroes, unfortunately.
Exactly, bloody sheep. Had that man blown up an IRS building and then turned himself in, he would have been "punished" with three square meals and free health care. Remember sheeple, most states and countries do not have the death penalty. See how society has evolved? Oh yeah, if your response is "we need to have the death penalty", then you can not hold any "pro life" positions. Where is CD this morning?
Speak for yourself. I don't need some talking head on the stupid tube to tell me what is right and what is wrong.
Anyway, that guy was a dumbass who flew into the IRS building. But you can't say shit like that isn't to be expected in a society like what we have now.
not really my point. I wasn't calling you out... more pointing out that acts of heroism will be mostly viewed as cowardice or terrorism. Did you read the guys' manifesto... the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building? He had something to say... things that I read here every day. He wasn't a dumbass, I don't think.
I agree with the sentiment of your comment.
However, it is easy to say Money is never worth dying over, until one is cold and hungry. Until one is forced to start dumpster diving at 77 years old, just for his daily meal.
Religion and Money, never worth dying for. However, both are at the heart of just about every single war ever fought since the beginning of time.
You do what you need to do to survive as best as you can without hurting yourself or the people around you.
This man died because he didn't want debt. But if he threw his hands up, said fuck you all, I have nothing, I've done my best but the system is against me and walked away from his debt obligations, the consequences are much less than what he did to himself and his family.
The truly sad thing is that had he shot someone else and then turned himself in, he would have been "punished" with three square meals and free health care. See how society has "evolved"? Go ahead junk away and someone tell me how this death was not honorable.
his memory deserves respect if for nothing more than the fact he didn't senselessly murder multiples of other people when he decided to take his own life.
it's the ones who throw tantrums and kill randomly that leave a legacy of pain in their wake - they are not deserving of "respect" IMO.
"We can change this."
Yes, but only after the rule of law is restored and all the fraud has been prosecuted, not before.
Shame on the World Governments, they have the blood of millions on their hands. Damn them all!
Was he wearing clean underwear under his skirt ? Scrape 'em off ! He will be buried with abortion and miscarriage viable tissue masses....in a diminuitive but tasteful mass grave in the shadow of the Acropolis ! I only acknowlege immolation suicides ! Monedas 2012 The fruit of Socialism is death !
The fruit of Socialism is death!
....and the fruit of telling the truth means you're gonna get junked straight into hell.
Thank you NEA for linking Saul Alinsky's book to your website......how many more billions would you like from us this year?
That is truly tragic.
He had seen the German Occupation.
If Hell exists some of the current crop of politicians are definitely going there.
Hell doesn't exist. This is a chemical burn...this is your pain... deal with it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg3m8wRVXWg
God doesn't want you, god doesn't like you. this isn't the worst thing that can happen.
The German Chancellor arrives in Poland on a state visit and at customs she is asked
- "Your Name"
"Angela Merkel"
- "Occupation?"
"No, just for a few days then heading back"
What will we not blame the bankers for?
Anything that is not directly related to their actions!
Peace and prosperity to start with!
Law and freedom is another
Justice is also not in banker-racketeering vocabulary.
So basically anything throughout history that is good for anyone has nothing to do with banks!
some videos about the the greek man who commit suicide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAOMdb9KQvw&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pauocPfAgo&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvGMki26eM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdMCtNgatDU&feature=player_embedded
@nolla, don't take it personally. We expect to see suicides and murders on a daily basis in the USA. We're not accustomed to seeing this in more civilized nations.
Statistically a gun owner is much more likely to kill themselves or a family member than a stranger in a self-defense scenario. Chalk up another one.
What a tasteless moment to tout gun control ! Suicide by gun is painless ! You like immolations ? Monedas 2012 A Greek deadbeat sucks sod....I don't see anything newsworthy here ?
Gun owners "kill [ing] themselves . . . in a self-defense scenario" has a uniquely American feel to it.
How right you are lazarus. I personally wept when Peruvian-American citizen George Zimmerman killed himself.
Statistically a police officer is much more likely to kill themselves or a family member than a stranger in a self-defense scenario. Chalk up another one.
The sad epidemic of police suicide is our national shame. manhunter with your help getting the word out to police think of the lives that can be saved. Not to mention the hooded youths who won't be killed. Let's get these dangerous guns that kill our youths and our police off the streets, and out of the hands of suicidal people like police and greek grandfathers.
Once the police are safe we can start protecting Army personnel, very high suicide rate.
Rather than the liquidation of unsustainable unsecured debt, we witnessing the horror of human being liquidation.
Humanitarian defeat is record bonuses on fraud street.
Bumper Sticker I saw:
"Guns don't kill drivers, cellphones do"
Without death panels and heroic suicides Obamacare will go broke ! I hope his confused little Socialist mind found the peace in death he was hopelessly inadequate to find in life ! A least he had the humanity to not strap a bomb to himself ! I don't celebrate the macacbre and the cowardly and the whimpering ! Move along ! Monedas 2012 Pay your bills ! I don't veer to avoid dogs already dead....unless it's to avoid soiling my car !
Valium prescription run out again?
One less we need to feed via fiscal transfers!
Meanwhile not one prosecution on the fraud syndicate that put us here.
Money = death. Soon it will be a target one cant wash off.
When are the greeks going to find the guts to band together and end this thing ? I must say i have been really shocked at the lack of real change in greece over the last 2.5 years. What are these people waiting for ??? Looks like Hayek was right, their spirit has been broken , they are just slaves.
Mass media.
Guilt.
Complecent lives.
Terrorist regime.
No realistic alternative.
No inspired leaders.
/You can swim in a pool of Oil, kick and punch at your hearts desire, but it takes a tiny spark to ignite.
http://www.infowars.com/monsantos-gmo-seeds-contributing-to-farmer-suicides-every-30-minutes/
Another possible trigger for Europe - Football.
Spain's a wreck, but with Barcelona and Real Madrid still in the running for the UEFA Champion's League title, lots of Spaniards find escape from their economic disaster in football. If Barca and Real lose.... look out! Particularly if they lose on some controversial situation. I can see a football riot spreading like wildfire.