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Marc Faber: "Ron Paul Would Be A Very Good President"

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While Marc Faber shares the usual stock of insightful market commentary, together with timing inflection points, and extended thoughts in the attached Bloomberg TV clip, it is the fact that he has officially joined Bill Gross, and so many others, in supporting the candidacy of Ron Paul as president. It is rather sad that only those who see beyond the surface of the current pyramid scheme facade, are bold enough to endorse the only man who is right for the White House. Fast forward to 15 minutes into the video to hear Marc Faber: "Ron Paul would be a very good president."

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Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:26 | 2125256 ACP
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I think he would be an even better Fed Chairman.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:30 | 2125271 caerus
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nah...he'd just abolish it

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:30 | 2125273 ACP
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Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:48 | 2125337 AL_SWEARENGEN

I was talking about this the other day.  IF Romney gets the nomination he will need paul's voters.  The only way I can see that happening is Paul to accept a major position in Romney's cabinet.  Treasury Secretary?  I like Fed chairman the best - which is appointed by the president.  I do not see long time Paul supporters like myself ever voting for Romney UNLESS Paul is offered & accepts a major role.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:56 | 2125369 blabam
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Ron Paul as FED chairman? I'll have some of what your smoking! 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:05 | 2125807 He_Who Carried ...
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The old BEAR Marc Faber is endorsing Ron Paul only because in the ensuing market turmoil (after a hypothecial election of PAul) and subsequent collapse of global markets, Faber would make many zillions.....  *lol*
What a nonsense!

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:55 | 2125893 Last_2_Sense
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Your name should read "he who carried water"

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 00:45 | 2125974 e_goldstein
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 11:51 | 2126409 Cheesy Bastard
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"He who carried safety goggles"

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 02:43 | 2126101 Teamtc321
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"Hat rack"

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 09:01 | 2126277 He_Who Carried ...
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... and yours should be "I carry water for He_Who Carried Water"...

Come by and I show you were the money is... :-D


Sat, 02/04/2012 - 10:06 | 2126334 j0nx
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Judging by your avatar you must be married to she_who_carried_milk. I'm suddenly in the mood for cereal.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 11:48 | 2126405 King_of_simpletons
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People who are so desperately clinging to the status quo no matter what have to realize that it is crumbling and even they cannot hold onto anything beyond a certain breaking point. Years of propaganda and lies implode regardless of what the establishment and media are trying so very hard to hold together. Too many people have raked false profits undertaking such an endeavor for generations and have difficulty letting it go. Fed and the banks, Politicians and Wall Street, Wall Street and the Defense Industries, Politicians and the defense establishment, etc etc.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:22 | 2126618 LeBalance
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yes. nuke power, oil, coal and all that is going away, but the change over will be long and brutal.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:23 | 2127156 He_Who Carried ...
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People who are so desperately clinging to the status quo no matter what have to realize that it is crumbling and even they cannot hold onto anything beyond a certain breaking point. Years of propaganda and lies implode regardless of what the establishment and media are trying so very hard to hold together. Too many people have raked false profits undertaking such an endeavor for generations and have difficulty letting it go. Fed and the banks, Politicians and Wall Street, Wall Street and the Defense Industries, Politicians and the defense establishment, etc etc.


Ideologists like you will be broke and dead before any of this happens...

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 06:22 | 2126207 chump666
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WTF do you smoke?  Whatever it is get off it.  It's turning ya brain to mush.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:02 | 2125381 Rincewind
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Agreed, but Ron probably would not want to be part of it.

Ron Paul has started waking up the younger generation and when all the pensioners are gone, he would win. But until all the people that like the status quo (or the memory of it) are gone, he has no chance. Unfortunately.

My bets are on Rand Paul in a decade or so. Problem is that it might be too late by then...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:24 | 2125444 AL_SWEARENGEN

You're probably right he wouldn't accept.  BUT if it was the position of Fed Chairman, Paul might, might accept.  With the understanding that he - Paul will act unilaterally using the Fed Chairman's existing powers to reign in the printing presses, and implement competing currencies of gold & silver.  Under those conditions I'd vote for Romney.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:53 | 2125530 francis_sawyer
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Although you've laid out a great strategic argument... You've also just illustrated why BHO will be re-elected...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:36 | 2125644 the PTB
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If such a fantastic contingency were to occur and Mr. Paul undertook to create a "competing" currency, this is what he could expect:

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:50 | 2125676 francis_sawyer
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Long "Popemobiles"...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:08 | 2125814 He_Who Carried ...
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Once the "pesioners" are gone, RP will be gone too? 

Of course not....

RP is one of them Dunedain Rangers, blessed with long life...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:05 | 2125390 azzhatter
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I noticed Mittens keeps mentioning the constitution all of a sudden. This is no coincidence, he is courting Paul's supporters. I suspect Mittens has never read it

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:26 | 2125748 Harbanger
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Mittens is courting the Tea Party movement.  So is Barry.  The MSM makes believe the TP never happened.  The 2010 elections put the  Repubs (establishment and all) back in the game,  what was the alternative? 3rd party? Civil War? 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:27 | 2125453 fuu
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I doubt he would accept any position from any of the Republicans running.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:35 | 2125483 Cole Younger
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Ron Paul cannot be FED Chairman. The President is given a list of who he can appoint. The President cannot just pick who he wants as the FED Chairman is not a political position and it is independent from the government. It may suck, but it is what it is.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:34 | 2125641 Harbanger
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"The President is given a list of who he can appoint." Really?, The Czars were appointed?  American Presidents can now do WTF they want.  Republic my ass, long live the new King and his empire of dirt.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:56 | 2125689 the PTB
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Who "gives" him this list?



Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:11 | 2125720 a growing concern
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I don't think any of us are privy to how that whole thing works out.  Probably a Rockefeller or Rothschild, maybe through one of their Goldman mouthpieces.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 12:48 | 2126532 FEDbuster
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No one knows for sure what might happen, you can only use history as a guide.  Even the puppet masters have strings that break, so let them try to control events as best they can.

History is full of examples where food is used to control the masses.  Stock up on food and preferably have the ability to produce some.  When tyrants feel they can, they will disarm the public, this is a time tested way to weaken the citizenry.  They won't get all the guns, but they will get most of them (just look at Katrina videos of gun confiscation in the name of "public order").  The last true bastion of free speech, the internet, is another target that they will have to take out.  There is no way a free internet can survive in a collapse, maybe they pull the plug, blame hackers from a far, etc.....??? 

As far as Ron Paul is concerned, this whole campaign is to pave the way for his son, Rand.  He will pass the torch to him after he retires from politics in January 2013.  The Campaign for Liberty will get behind Rand for his assent to run for POTUS perhaps as early at 2016?  Look for other young guns, like Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, etc... to rise for the 2016 election.  We will be lucky to make it till then without WW3 or complete economic collapse first.  We live in interesting times.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:03 | 2125801 Mine Is Bigger
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It is my understanding that the FED makes the list.  And the president is supposed to choose the chairman from it.  But if there is only one person on the list ...  The FED is not a government agency anyway.  The whole thing is probably designed to make it appear the FED is under some kind of government control, which it is not, given the fact it has not even been audited.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:41 | 2125873 Harbanger
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"It is my understanding that the FED makes the list."  Obama agrees...The Senate only gets in the way anyhow.  Public School?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:56 | 2125690 the PTB
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Who "gives" him this list?



Sat, 02/04/2012 - 00:36 | 2125956 jesse livermoore
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first of all fed chairman is not a cabinet position.

second of all the federal reserve is a private bank.

third the president does... get to pick the chairman ..... out of the nominees selected by the federal reserve itself.

therefor the president cannot appoint anyone he likes to the postion..

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:40 | 2125501 Silver Bug
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100% agree, Ron Paul 2012. The only decent man running.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:05 | 2125707 disabledvet
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 08:25 | 2126247 Ranger4564
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Come on, who are you trying to kid?  The revolutionaries and radicals would know you were poseurs instantly and point out the infiltrators.  Nice try though.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 09:35 | 2126310 disabledvet
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revolutionaries? radicals? hahahaha. "we havn't had that spirit here since 1969." i'm a ROVERlutionary brother. A ROVERlutionary!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:31 | 2129075 Herbert Philbrick
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Just how does being an anti-Semite racist make him "decent"? 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:53 | 2125668 Die Weiße Rose
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Imagine being the Pilot of an Aeroplane that is slowly falling apart.

Engine failure of the left Engine, then the right Engine.

then the fucking flight computer gives you bullshit BLS data 

then the fucking left wing starts to come off...

Even the most brilliant Pilot in the World will only be able to do so much

to manage such a catastrophic, structural and total system failure,

before going into full critical failure crisis management and fatal damage control :

which is: assume the fetus position,

put your head between your knees and kiss your Arse goodbye,

while uttering this famous last Word:

shit !

I am afraid, even the best President,

even Ron Paul could do do no more...

you see, the problem is not the Pilot or the President,

the problem is a catastrophic, structural and total Systems Failure.

the Shit will hit the Fan (SHTF),

no matter who the Pilot is.


Sat, 02/04/2012 - 01:21 | 2126021 Goatboy
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no no no thats not proper way to do it..

you must yell Ron Paul.. and within your libertarian, naive heart believe that things could be better without changing anything but one man. 

Still dont get it? The key is to be part of the official framing (money, free markets, capitalism, competition and all that crap) but still simulating an outsider by cheering for Ron Paul. It makes you feel good, while "being on the edge" but still within safe perimeter of backward values imposed by owners of the system.

And of course, Jebus will come to save us all.. thats important when motivating wage slaves to stay stupid and working determinedly on a plantation.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 08:46 | 2126260 Ranger4564
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STOP It...  you're scaring me. ;^)

7:10 for those with ADD

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:32 | 2125282 francis_sawyer
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I agree... Because as Fed Chairman... All he would have to do is show up on the first day of work and say...

"Look boys & Girls, we had a nice run, but we're closing up shop"... (& hand everyone pink slips)...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:37 | 2125300 caerus
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unfortunately i believe it would take congressional action to abolish the fed...legislation such as the federal reserve board abolition act h.r. 833


ron paul - end the fed

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:40 | 2125319 francis_sawyer
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Well then he'd just have to tell the Congress that he wasn't going to print them (or their campaigns any more money out of thin air)...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:37 | 2125493 Cole Younger
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Even if he could become FED chairman (which he cannot) he would be unable to close the FED down. Congress created the FED...only a act of Congress can get rid of it...

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 08:46 | 2126261 pacu44
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Actually, the President could shut the fed down in a day.


Being unconstitutional as Article 1 section 8 & 10 have never been legally ammended (congressional acts cannot alter the Constitution) there is no lawful existence.


Now Paul will never be on a list created by the major shareholders of the Federal Reserve to lead the Federal Reserve System (NY FED) so you can forget that...

But, if he is Treasury Sec, he can gum up the works, but Mittens is not going to allow that either as Mittens shareholders and the Fed shareholders are one in the same...


Now Paul needs to win the election (cough, cough- fixed)...

Paul has my vote, and I actively promote him, but I fear his chances are slipping away with each primary...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:12 | 2125579 Harbanger
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Biggest problem I see for bitchez male or female is when a MAN asks "Who are You?"

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:48 | 2125781 tempo
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How many jobs would be created during 2012 if the USA deficit was $750 billion?  $500 billion?  $250 billion?   Based on the FED statement and frantic push to eliminate the payroll tax, I think the economy would lose 1 million jobs if the USA didn't run a trillion dollar deficit.  How long will this continue?   Does the youth understand that jobs are only being created if the USA spends 40% more than it collects in taxes?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 08:55 | 2126270 Ranger4564
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And what is the proposed solution, pray tell?  Stop paying taxes and take your money home?  There is plenty of money floating around, so creating jobs?  Doing what?  At slave wages?  Why isn't there a boatload of innovation and entrepreneuralism given the mother of all necessities? Because that's all lies, BS.

Why bother solving the equation this way?  Are there other solutions to the same equation?  Answer is YES by the way.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 10:58 | 2126377 boooyaaaah
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They spend more than they take in.
The gov don't need our money
They need our vote

They used to need our money.

Soon, they will not need our vote.

The natural progression of tyrants

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 09:22 | 2126299 ilion
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Doesn't Mark getting it that they are mocking him while sitting in the same room? Especially I liked the face of the hosts once the Ron Paul issue was raised. I can't remember when I actually turned my TV on Bloomberg, pathetic.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:37 | 2125262 TruthInSunshine
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Of course he would, which is why he'll never be elected.


This is my last post on the sham that was/is the BLS Unemployment Report this am, provided here in condensed form, as posted by Numerian on The Economic Populist, to give a heads up to the weekend ZH readers how massively the BLS (and government/politicians/Wall Street Sell-Side Analysts/sham economists) are manipulating the data to instill CONfidence in the sheeple.

Shearing time just has to be drawing near.

Think about this one excerpt: 

"The percent of the total working population who did not have jobs rose to 36.7%, an all time high. It’s no wonder the unemployment rate fell, when the denominator shrinks so markedly."

The Economic Populist Speak Your Mind 2 Cents at a Time

Wow! 243000 New Jobs Created in January

Submitted by Numerian on Fri, 02/03/2012 - 10:24


While a whopping number of jobs were created in January, a far larger number of people left the labor force - 1,752,000 in fact. The percent of the total working population who did not have jobs rose to 36.7%, an all time high. It’s no wonder the unemployment rate fell, when the denominator shrinks so markedly. The total number of people employed fell by 737,000. So what do you want to celebrate – the 243,000 who got jobs, or the million or so people who dropped by the wayside and are no longer counted in the data?

It makes you wonder how much faith you can put in the Labor Department reports. For example, the government, the business press, and Wall Street rarely report on the fundamental ways in which the US labor market is changing, with so many people dropping out of the work force. The press has had a hard enough time getting to grips with the Labor Department’s Birth/Death model, which over time adds to the number of people reported as employed. The model is supposed to compensate for the inability of the government to get good information on the number of new businesses created every month and which presumably add to employment. The problem is the model has been shown in the past to have significantly overestimated the number of jobs created by new businesses. Economists still don’t know if the model is appropriate, and how much of the 243,000 jobs created this month are the result of the Birth/Death model.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:39 | 2125311 resurger
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Donald Trump just loves him


Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:06 | 2125809 EvlTheCat
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Excellent links!  I urge everyone who follows them to spend some time reading Numerian's comments to questions.  Profound.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 14:23 | 2126770 TruthInSunshine
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Numerian is Robert Oak, and he has some really good analysis of the BLS methodology & the very misleading January 'effect' whereby a bunch of population data from the prior 12 months gets dumped into the base population numbers the BLS works its reporting off of, which essentially renders the % change from December to January absolutely meaningless (but the financial press doesn't mention this critical fact).

I'm still trying to figure out why Charles Biderman of TrimTabs has written that the 'seasonal adjustment' formula used by the BLS is either unknown or a mystery. I'm not saying that he's wrong, but wondering if he's actually correct (how could the BLS not explain how it computes its 'seasonal adjustment?').

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:34 | 2125264 HamyWanger
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The more I watch Ron Paul speaking, the more I become convinced that he's an Aspie who suffers from sluggish schizophrenia. He's completely out of touch with reality, like most extreme libertarians. It puzzles me why he is invited on national television, talking about batshitcrazy things like ending the I.R.S or using gold as a currency, like nothing is wrong. 

There IS something wrong with that man. He's a ticking bomb. One day his hatred for the State and our organized society will lead him to go McVeigh or Breivik. 

I am a clinical psychologist with 14 years of practice, and I'm sorry to say that Paul responds positively to the very symptoms I see everyday in the high-security mental health facility where I work: refusal to live in a community, self-centeredness, emotional autism, tendency to believe in conspiracy theories (notably involving central banks or 9/11), tendency to think that the ends justify the means, tendency to think that "the problem comes from society" and not from themselves, and total absence of compassion for others.

He should seek treatment. Really. I say that empathetically, for his own good. He is a menace not only to society, but first and foremost to himself. 

As a professionnal, I would recommend daily doses of Aminozin (not more than 4 gr. per dose, one the morning, one the evening) or an algogenic injection every three days, followed by one month of electroshock therapy. It has tremendous success in reversing the symptoms of psychosis, especially "anarcho-capitalist" psychosis (jargon term for when the patient desires the complete breakdown of society and the State structure). 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:35 | 2125292 Threeggg
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Let me're voting for mittens because he has so much in common with an American guy like you !

Right ?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:39 | 2125315 HamyWanger
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I do, indeed, favour Mitt Romney for the next Presidential election, after having hesitated between him and Gingrich. 

I believe he is the only one who can beat the Left in 2012. 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:44 | 2125325 akak
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I regret that I have but one red arrow to give for my candidate.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 03:57 | 2126145 LouisDega
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Wasnt he on the Columbo episode Murder under glass?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:48 | 2125342 falun bong
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So you wavered on supporting a serial liar and sleazeball lobbyist who wants colonies on the moon, only to choose a true 1/10 of 1% Wall Street stooge (gee Wall St. has been sooooo good for America recently). And by not selecting Dr. Paul, it means you think we need:

1. More foreign wars

2. More taxpayer money to go to banks

3. More government intrusion in our daily lives; and

4. Fewer civil liberties

Congratulations! You are the truly sick one. I prescribe 1000 cc of intravenous your countrymen a favor.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:07 | 2125392 Karl von Bahnhof
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What do you eat?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:40 | 2125476 akak
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Apparently, a steady diet of bankster cock, corporate-controlled media bullshit, mainstream political pablum, kippered Quisling on dollar toast, and roast cuckoo spiced with a healthy dose of warvangelist paranoia, regularly followed by several thick slices of fruitcake.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:39 | 2125496 riphowardkatz
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Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:46 | 2125510 fuu
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Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:56 | 2125686 schoolsout
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Hamy is also a creation made to imitate the Great Harry Wanger that no longer posts here...

I'm really surprised people still fall for it

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:25 | 2125739 bob_dabolina
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The moniker is also an anogram for; Hang Wary Me

-guy who makes anograms when he's bored and doesn't want to deal with his cranky bitch

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:25 | 2125838 HoofHearted
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Hamy = MDB = dumb ass troll

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:30 | 2127798 GMadScientist
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Also 'Hear My Wang'...maybe he was out of lame 60s pop references.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:51 | 2125519 Goldilocks
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effigize much?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 11:44 | 2126403 wandstrasse
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Hamy, congratulations! Your superb blue pill attitude qualifies you for the economics Nobel prize or a seven digit income job at a TBTF bank or CFR membership or the like. TBTB will come back to you, when they look for a raplacement for one of their puppets.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:35 | 2125295 francis_sawyer
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I am a clinical psychologist with 14 years of practice, and I'm sorry to say that Paul responds positively to the very symptoms I see everyday in the high-security mental health facility where I work

So that SOLVES it people! Wanger escaped from the asylum he was being treated in and now thinks he's a doctor...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:38 | 2125304 francis_sawyer
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As a doctor... It is evident that Wanger is bound by the HYPOCRITIC OATH...

Fucking dude is prescribing meds over a blog medium? WTF is up with that?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 00:36 | 2125955 Whoa Dammit
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And imaginary meds at that---there's no such thing as Aminozin. 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:42 | 2125330 Colonel
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Sounds like he's having job security issues if RP was elected president, the condition is seen government workers.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:39 | 2125317 akak
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Unworthy of response.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:42 | 2125329 nmewn
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"I am a clinical psychologist with 14 years of practice..."

Physician, heal thyself!!!

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:36 | 2125862 EvlTheCat
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I don't know, is tertiary stage syphilis treatable with placebos?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:30 | 2127801 GMadScientist
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The death of the host does bring an end to the disease.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:44 | 2125333 caerus
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in individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:58 | 2125543 The Deleuzian
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:31 | 2127804 GMadScientist
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If's a spectrum.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:56 | 2125334 nakedshorted
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I don't think you've done your due diligence.  Trollwanker.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:42 | 2125404 caerus
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as an admirer of murray rothbard i fear that i too may suffer from "anarcho capitalist" psychosis...fortunately i self medicate...scotch and weed

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:47 | 2125511 Al Gorerhythm
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As another professional, Hamy, may I suggest you seek help and book yourself a padded room with a view.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:25 | 2125602 Mr. Magniloquent
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You would have made an excellent Soviet. From the very emergence of modern psychology/psychiatry, the USSR perfected using its use for discrediting and persecuting those that argued against The State.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:43 | 2125648 HamyWanger
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Yes, I know this theory. And I've read the writings of doctors like Dr. Thomas S. Szasz on the subject, such as his famous The Tyranny Of Pharmacracy (

Surprised? It was part of our mandatory literature back in med. school.

But it doesn't change my view at all. It rather reinforces it. 

I believe it is the duty of the State to fight deviant political beliefs, which are nearly always the sign of an underlying psychiatric disorder. With a prophylactic model of thoughts like mine, we could have avoided a Hitler, a Mussolini or a Pinochet with 99% certainty.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:02 | 2125657 akak
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I guess, James Kostohryz, that you never really finished your manipulative, cynical and disingenuous "study of the psychology of utopian permabears" after all ...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:44 | 2125661 Al Gorerhythm
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It would have been wise if your mommy had insisted that your daddy use one of those prophylactic measures.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:32 | 2125755 Die Weiße Rose
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funny, that's what our famous Führer always used to say...

I believe it is the duty of the State to fight deviant political beliefs !

"my Gestapo men are rounding up twice the number of  the usual suspects

because I believe it is the duty of the State to fight deviant political beliefs. " 

spoken like a true psychotic fascist Wanker,


Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:37 | 2125865 RichyRoo
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The hilarious irony of this comment is that Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet, Lenin and Stalin all completely agreed with pathologising dissent and acted according to their beliefs by putting loads of dissedents in 'facilities' for their 'correction'. Ahh the stupidity.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 13:03 | 2126574 Mr. Magniloquent
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Your reasoning is unsound. You acknowledge the political subversion of your field, yet invoke this manipulation as affirmation that the known fallacy is truth.

This is neither reason, knowledge, nor deduction. This is dogma, faith, and assertion.

May your chains rest lightly, and your shackles never chafe.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:33 | 2127808 GMadScientist
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And you're just the megalomaniac for the job of defining 'deviant', right?

Please tell us you're not allowed to practice anymore.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:04 | 2125704 knukles
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Stick to dealing with the mentally retarded.  Your knowledge of else is deficient.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:05 | 2125706 Clay Hill
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Dr. Hamy, you must really be feeling the heat from your trolling competition with MDB.

I researched your diagnosis, and your prescribed treatment.

I do not concur.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:27 | 2125738 HamyWanger
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Aminozin and algogenic injections were indeed the primary tools used to treat psychotic patients in the USSR, with, I do admit it, occasional abuse, such as in the following cases:

It is an example of bad psychiatry, because most of these men, notably Viktor Fainberg, were not genuinely insane (their libertarian views were very moderate and not ground to suspicion). And I usually teach my students about that. But Wikipedia will never tell you about the hundreds of thousands of cases where these two drugs were used out of legitimate concerns and with very positive results. 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:47 | 2125763 Clay Hill
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tut tut, old boy
I make no claim of being trained in the medical arts. The problem is easily recognised even by a layman.

I do however, question the necessity of medicating those who advocate for freedom of its own sake even at the expense of the State. A State, mind you that has shown an unerring tendency to swallow whole the rights of the citizens from whom it derives its right to exist.

The State is the disease here.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:49 | 2125783 nmewn
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"And I usually teach my students about that. But Wikipedia will never tell you about the hundreds of thousands of cases where these two drugs were used out of legitimate concerns and with very positive results."

lol...this just keeps getting better & better, well worth the price of admission ;-)

Are you at liberty to state where you "teach" this corporate pill pushing class of yours?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:41 | 2125874 EvlTheCat
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University of Clown College


Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:34 | 2125858 RichyRoo
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Nobody believes you are actually a psychiatrist or actually have students, unless you teach douchbaggery. A real psychiatrist wouldnt attempt to make a soft diagnosis based on what they saw on TV, nor is 'libertarian views' mentioned in the DSM V, you pathetic waste of oxygen.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:56 | 2125895 Rogue Trooper
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Mr Wanger, I realize that you are very busy commenting and replying in your selfless way to help those in the ZH community see the light.

However, would you mind providing some feedback on a decision I’ve been putting off.

I’m currently studying towards a BA double major in Community Psychology & Social Work at UCAL.  As I enter my forth year I have the opportunity to earn a triple major by adding 'Empathetic Reasoning'.  This is a new and exciting course of study that could transform the lives of those dispossessed by the ravages of capitalism. My goal is to follow the President and dedicate my life to Community Organizing and enacting social change at a grass roots level.

I am worried if I should take on the new debt which will add an additional $23,697 to my existing student debt of $176,898.89.  I am just starting to have doubts about this due to all the bad things people say on this board.



Sat, 02/04/2012 - 00:13 | 2125915 HamyWanger
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My advice is simple: go for it. Don't hesitate for a second. 

There is a warm future for mental health and community work in the US, especially when you consider that the said US are becoming increasingly "socialist" (which is a welcome evolution, in my mind). And I don't see this secular trend stopping anytime soon. 

In 2020 or 2025 max., every radical extremist in America will have been locked up and treated for his own good, and we'll need all the hands we can get in order to fill the brand new hospitals that are being built.

You could also explore the field of "Gender And Minority Studies", which attempts to scientifically deconstruct white racism and privilege. I had two of my brightest students who went that way and as far as I know they're very satisified. Practical applications include working as mediators or therapists in underprivileged areas of the US. 

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 00:19 | 2125932 caerus
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you walk the fine line between satire and idiocy...i don't understand you yet...either way, carry on

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 02:13 | 2126081 Rogue Trooper
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LOL.. who knows but Dr Hamy sure cracks me up.  Then again he could be a thetan level 7 scientologist!

Reminds me of this guy:

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 10:37 | 2126366 j0nx
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I don't know, I think MDB is the master satirical troll and HW is a distant second. Second none the less but still a distant second.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 08:40 | 2126098 JOYFUL
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Like most of the general consensus here, I had assumed you to be no more than an endearable parodist, basking in the glow of the attention your provocations garnered you.

However, tonight we see a much more noxious truth, revealed by the compulsions of your narcissistic aggrandizement complex; as always, the criminal must find a venue in which to bare his troubled soul!

Not wholly discounting the element of sardonic parody one sees in your spiels, this new dimension of disclosure allows us, however, to peek behind the curtain, and see newly revealed the fruits of 3rd generation CIA MK programming...and you as inheritor of MK ULTRA, BLUEBIRD, ARTICHOKE, CHATTER,CASTIGATE, MKDELTA, MKNAOMI, THIRD CHANCE, MKSEARCH, MKOFTEN[all covert CIA projects involving many prominent members and institutions of the medical and scientific communities to investigate and experiment with various forms of behavior modification and control using, in many cases, unwitting human subjects.]

Whilst realizing that this public exposure of your 'real' identity will provide you with some form of bizarre gratification, that is not my purpose here; rather, it is to bring to the attention of the assembly that this confession of yours reveals the absolute truth of an unbroken continuum of facsistic zio-nazi cabbalist black magic pseudo-scientific outrages upon innocent humanity stretching back at least as far as 1810,(the strange case of tea broker James Tilley Matthews and the so-called Influencing Machine!!!!), which involves not only outright monsters of the GOLEM such as Mengele,(imported by the Dulles brothers to wreak havoc upon the new world), but more apparently benign figures such as "Dr." Ewen Cameron, and those who forced the original whistle-blower, James Forrestal, to plunge to his death from the windows of his State hospital confinement!

An end to which I believe poetic justice has every chance of consigning YOU Hamy. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 10:30 | 2126356 LongBallsShortBrains
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In 2020 or 2025 max., every radical extremist in America will have been locked up and treated for his own good, and we'll need all the hands we can get in order to fill the brand new hospitals that are being built.....

With all the crazies locked up, who would build these new hospitals? Hard to believe, but the construction industry is full of crazies too.

Maybe just kill all the shrinks? It might seem crazy, but with all of the shrinks dead ( for their own good), then nobody could be diagnosed as crazy.

Problem solved.

Sane. The new crazy

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:56 | 2125794 smb12321
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Althogh a strong RP supporter, I sense than many have morphed into the kind of voter I encountered in '08.  I was told (repeatedly) that they'd rather lose with McCain than win with Paul.  They got their wish.   Many Paul supporters would as soon BO win since there "isn't any difference" between them.  But there is a difference if ony in their view of our society as either aspirational or zombie.

Would I rather have Ron?  Of course. but it's not going to happen. An outsider hears many voices including crazies and conspiracy nuts.  This affects their attitude.  When I tell folks about RP I repeat what he said when he came to Nashville.

"We don't want to run your life; we dont want to run the economy; we don't want to tell other countries what to do."  That is the essence of the Paul message.


Sat, 02/04/2012 - 00:08 | 2125914 Freddie
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Dr. Hamy works at a high security metal health facilty. Sounds like a prison.  

He is another piece of shit feeding at the govt trough like Democreep union govt scum, UAW Dem scum and other govt "worker"  sh*t.

Hamy debated between Newt and Mitt.  Romney sucks but debating between he in Gingrich is a joke.  We know Romney is a RINO but Gingrich is a RINO pretending to be a conservative.  Newt is a text book narcissist like Bill Clinton and the Chicago Muslim.  

Santorum is better than Mitt and Newt.

God - I wish Rand Paul was running and that we had a semi-literate country.  Ron Paul is great but his son is even better.  

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 02:10 | 2126077 deeznutz
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I don't know... your troll act is not workin' for me.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:35 | 2127815 GMadScientist
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We'll send some of his wards your way...since you're so infatuated with batshit crazy.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 09:44 | 2126318 disabledvet
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well you know what they say: "practice makes perfect." Here he comes now! Look out!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 17:13 | 2127136 Cast Iron Skillet
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you need an electroshock up the ass.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:30 | 2125265 blu
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Ron Paul would throw this country into an economic and social meat-grinder that would rival the US Civil War for both cost and destructive outcome. And might even rival it for deaths, once the riots really take off and 15 or 20 major cities are reduced to ruins.

Christ, I am so ready for that. Finally we'd be able to start over with a new Constitution and direct elections and put all this Citizens United and DHS bull-fucking-shyte behind us. Hell I'd encourage the entire South and Texas to cede from the Union in the process. Everybody happy.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:04 | 2125389 SilverIsKing
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If they let it all collapse 3+ years ago, we'd be 3+ years into the recovery.  Instead, we wait.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 12:21 | 2126465 Marco
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The recovery requires a reset ... 4 decades of thievery can't be reversed by a free market. Any attempt at significant deleveraging with the current wealth inequality would result in social chaos, almost certainly resulting in TPTB trying to force the country into more fascism and more expansionist resource wars (and if RP is president he won't be for long in that case).

Like Jesse from Cafe American said (a gold bug who doesn't think FDR is the devil incarnate, how refreshing) there are three options :

1.  Go along grudgingly with reform and accept a smaller percentage of the overall economy (Roosevelt), 2. Fund an oligarchic takeover of the government and seek to control it (Hitler), 3.  Sew your wealth into the dresses of your children, and die with them in a basement (Russia).

The US is already well on it's way on path 2 ... but it will need a lot more war to keep the momentum going. So lets pray for 1 or 3 instead.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:14 | 2125408 baby_BLYTHE
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A new Constitution? You think it would resemble anything like the One congress has busily been desmantling?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:51 | 2125785 Yes_Questions
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Tear it all down, we'll put it up again. Another EMPIRE?..


Sat, 02/04/2012 - 10:36 | 2126364 LongBallsShortBrains
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Blythe, you reminded me of a F Lee Bailey quote.

Can any of you seriously say the Bill of Rights could get through Congress today? It wouldn't even get out of committee.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:17 | 2125420 HamyWanger
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Precisely, and that is why he tends to attract as supporters people with known psychiatric disorders: goldbug doomers, nerdy conspiracy theorists, etc. 

The very same people who, after being exposed for what they are and placed into a public facility, still deny that there is something wrong with them, and keep shouting that they are victim of some sort of "government plot" when the nurses come for their treatment or their shower. 

It is probably the biggest scandal in modern U.S. politics that a known crackpot like Paul managed to reach the Caucuses. 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:24 | 2125434 akak
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Precisely, and that is why he tends to attract as supporters people with known psychiatric disorders: goldbug doomers, nerdy conspiracy theorists, etc.

Funny how those with a supposed "psychic disorder" (really slipped up there, you lying asswipe) have made better than 400% profit over the past ten years, and how often your supposed "conspiracy theories" of today become tomorrow's accepted history.

Your utterly hysterical desperation in trying to attack a man of impeccable honesty, integrity and wisdom, and who is the only candidate NOT pandering to big-spending special interests and kneejerk warvangelist no-nothings, is both amusing and pathetic.

Eat shit and die, you malicious and malignant troll.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:31 | 2125472 nmewn
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He "favours" Mitt.

So, of course he would agree with another "good ole boy"

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:49 | 2125516 Al Gorerhythm
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He's a professional. We need more experts..... and cowbells.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:59 | 2125546 francis_sawyer
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Hopefully Nurse Ratched will be along soon to collect up Hamy...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:00 | 2125549 nmewn
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Always trust the experts, they've done such a marvelous job so

More cowbell, I'm in a music mood ;-)

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 12:31 | 2126488 Marco
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It's perfectly possible to be a goldbug without being a libertarian and social Darwinist applauding the downfall of society so it can be closer to your ideal.

It's like the difference between a climate sceptic (sceptical about anthropogenic causes) and a climate denier (those which say there is a global conspiracy to massage temperature records).

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:21 | 2125596 Tyranny is Love
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OK,... Despite knowing that you should never feed trolls, here goes...


1 HamyWanger is quite possibly, in this election year, a paid political troll working indirectly on behalf of a rival candidate.

2. Investing in a commodity is not a psychiatric disorder. Nor a symptom of one.

3. It is probably the biggest scandal in modern U.S. politics that a known crackpot like Paul managed to reach the Caucuses. "Biggest scandal in modern U.S. politics"??? That's a bold call. There's some pretty tough competition for that title. (Off the top of my head; Operation Fast and Furious, Congressional insider trading).

4. Crackpot or no Crackpot its a person right to run for Office. Its the peoples responsibility to decide weather they will support them of not.

5. I was unaware that being a crackpot disqualified a person for holding office.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 22:55 | 2125791 blunderdog
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(/kayfabe, right?)

Doesn't anyone remember HarryWanger?  The inspiration for the Hamy parody?

You can probably still look up his real life name if you spend the time looking.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 23:01 | 2125799 smb12321
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You're more delusional than an RP fan.  There are conspiracy nuts and crazies in every party but please note that Paul's ideas were once universally accepted.  We don't spend more than we make, we don't debase the currency, we don't interfere with private lives or have endless undeclared wars with nations that are no threat. Which of these do you disagree with?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 00:12 | 2125920 Freddie
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Ron Paul sounds just like Eisenhower talking about wars and the military industrial complex.  Reagan did not get us into endless wars. 

This need to go to war over anything sh*t was the Bushes, Clinton and the muslim.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:39 | 2127822 GMadScientist
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So what were all those trillions for then? Couldn't sell enough crack to keep the death squads plush?

Hilarious how you complain about the national debt while defending one of the biggest asshole contributors to same.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:25 | 2125448 nmewn
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"Hell I'd encourage the entire South and Texas to cede from the Union in the process."

Promise?...cross your heart, stick a needle in your eye type promise?

Evil little worm...

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 02:12 | 2126080 deeznutz
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Now THIS is the kind of Troll act I can dig! Good Work!

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:29 | 2125268 Rainman
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I agree. Loopy libs won't be able to find any hot babes he was getting on the sneak either. Paul '12

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:29 | 2125269 perelmanfan
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I have mixed feelings about a Ron Paul presidency. The problem is that whoever holds the office for the next four years will preside over a massive shitstorm, and the sheeple will blame it on whoever is in charge. Wish Paul was not so old, he could step in in 2016 and get the hero's reception he deserves.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:19 | 2125592 steelhead23
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I wouldn't be so sure.  Yes, a shitstorm is here and will not quickly abate - but, in 1932 the nation was in the Great Depression, FDR took the helm - pulled a Keynesian rabbit out of his hat and was re-elected twice.  I don't wish to get into an argument about whether FDR actually accomplished the things he is generally credited with, or any ridiculous comparisons of FDR's platform and RP's.  I merely wish to state that an aggressive and charismatic president did get elected into a shitstorm and prospered.  My personal ideology is way to the left of RP's, yet I consider him the best option running today - primarily because he is not wedded to the status quo.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:31 | 2125276 HD
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Maybe. But that's not what the GOP wants. For reasons all too clear, they want Mitt "I make $56,000 a day but don't have a job" Romney. Republicans have been pissing and moaning for four years and the best they can do is Romney.

Maybe they know whats coming and are trying to lose...



Sat, 02/04/2012 - 09:50 | 2126322 Ranger4564
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Or, maybe the Gov was given a list of people from which the electoral college could appoint the next pres. Before you ask who created this list, i'll answer... the ultra wealthy financiers who fund the bank(er)s... endearingly referred to alternatingly as the Elite, the Zionists, the Oligarchs, the Round Table... but never the People. 

Why waste your time talking about who you would like to have for president when the candidates are plants and the eventual outcome already well established?

Prediction... RP is cast out... NG TOO... MR becomes pres, nothing changes except things accelerate at getting worse.  BO was too slow in his devastation, so he will not be invited back.  MR doesn't care about the poor, so he will be installed.

Me, i don't give a crap who's pres, i know given the choices, i'll oppose their agenda.  Do you guys really think anything will really change? You have any idea how much effort and planning was employed (oh the irony) to bring the world to this stage?  You really think they will suddenly retreat and give RP the presidency? To what end?  Maybe to accelerate removal of the remainders of any social safety nets.  I hope you guys are caught unprepared for what is about to happen... so you can experience the joy of being dismissed / reduced to subhuman status, or worse, entirely disregarded.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:31 | 2125277 Cole Younger
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I think Ron Paul would have been the right president 12 years ago. Now I don't think even he could fix the damage done. Governments lie and that is a fact. Who really knows the truth about what is going on?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:17 | 2125535 Al Gorerhythm
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What a dumb fucking statement. So, we either stick with the death by a trillion cuts strategy, then shrug our shoulders and muddle through after the post mortem? Who has offered any other alternative than the statos quo? Go third party Ron, if they continue to shut you down (as is their MO so far).

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 09:52 | 2126324 Ranger4564
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psst... civil disobedience... fuck their election rigging.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 21:27 | 2125616 seek
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He can't fix the damage, but he can determine what rises from the ashes.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 12:34 | 2126498 Marco
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If he tries to keep all the fence posts standing it won't be able to burn good and proper.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:34 | 2125289 Dr. Gonzo
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Yeah but Mitt got Donald Trump's endorsement. Game over. (sarc off)

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:37 | 2125302 LivermoreJim
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Ron Paul is a State Rightists, not a Libertarian.  His is a hands off position as far as states are concern.  In the Aug 11th debate he said, "the Federal Government can't go in and prohbit states from doing bad things."  That was said in the context of State mandatory heathcare.

So it's wrong for the Fed Govt to violate your rights -- but not the state you live in.  In that same debate Bachmann and Santorum argued that wrong was wrong, whether by Fed or individual State.  Paul is so blinded by this that he even advocated the right of the South to leave the Union with Slavery intact.

Paul's position is closer to anarchy than Libertarianism.  Support him, but the defacto tyrant you see in the Federal govt may surface in your own State.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:49 | 2125343 HamyWanger
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Exactly. And that is partly why I believe Ron Paul is incoherent. There's nothing wrong in believing in anarchy (well, in fact, there is something wrong, as it is often associated with serious psychic disorders, but that's another debate) but your position should be consistent in every aspect. This is not the case with Paul. 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 19:54 | 2125364 akak
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You are a transparent farce and total waste of space.  Fuck off asswipe.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 09:48 | 2126321 disabledvet
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i thought it was "wipeoff phuckass"? or is that do the linquists put it...the affirmative gerund netural variant?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 20:10 | 2125395 saints51
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I am very angry because of people like you. I don't need your false expert opinion or the meds. I am angry because of assholes like you who are so fucking dumb and ruining the country. Just shut your fucking cock holster.

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