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March Case Shiller Misses Expectations: Housing Set For Quadruple Dip
Following the now long-gone LTRO induced risk ramp through March, many of the C-grade economists out there predicted that housing would bottom in March (this time for real) and it would be smooth sailing from there. Alas, the just released March Case Shiller data puts this latest speculation very much in doubt (once again), following a miss of consensus expectations in the Top 20 Composite of a 0.20% increase, printing at half that, or 0.09%, and more importantly, a decline from the February rate of increase, which was 0.15%. The non-seasonally adjusted number declined by 0.03%, the 7th consecutive drop in a row. All this begs the question: did housing just quadruple dip, with a February local extreme in the Sequential rate of change. As the chart below shows, we had comparable peaks in the summer of 2009, in April 2010, and again in April 2011, following which the downward slide resumed every single time once the temporary benefits of monetary and fiscal easing subsided. Also, recall that March was the last month receiving benefits of a record warm winter: in effect a mini demand pull program. And now comes the hangover. Bottom line: based on a broad index, housing is about to decline once again, and make a total joke out of all those who, yet again, made "bold" annual housing bottom predictions.
From the report:
The national composite fell by 2.0% in the first quarter of 2012 and was down 1.9% versus the first quarter of 2011. The 10- and 20-City Composites posted respective annual returns of -2.8% and -2.6% in March 2012. Month-over-month, their changes were minimal; average home prices in the 10-City Composite fell by 0.1% compared to February and the 20-City remained basically unchanged in March over February. However, with these latest data, all three composites still posted their lowest levels since the housing crisis began in mid-2006.
In addition to the three composites, five cities - Atlanta, Chicago, Las Vegas, New York and Portland - also saw average home prices hit new lows. This is an improvement over the nine cities reported last month.
“While there has been improvement in some regions, housing prices have not turned,” says David M. Blitzer, Chairman of the Index Committee at S&P Indices. “This month’s report saw all three composites and five cities hit new lows. However, with last month’s report nine cities hit new lows. Further, about half as many cities, seven, experienced falling prices this month compared to 16 last time.
“The National Composite fell by 2.0% in the first quarter alone, and is down 35.1% from its 2nd quarter 2006 peak, in addition to recording a new record low. The 10- and 20-City Composite mimic these results; also down about 35% from their relative peaks and hit new lows.
“There are some better numbers: Only three cities – Atlanta, Chicago and Detroit – saw annual rates of change worsen in March. The other 17 cities and both composites saw improvement in this statistic, even though most are still showing a negative trend. Moreover, there are now seven cities – Charlotte, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Miami, Minneapolis and Phoenix – where the annual rates of change are positive. This is what we need for a sustained recovery; monthly increases coupled with improving annual rates of change. Once we see this on a broader level we will be able to say the market has turned around.
“The regions showed mixed results for March. Twelve of the cities saw average home prices rise in March over February, seven saw prices fall and one – Las Vegas – was flat. The Composites were largely unchanged with the 10-City down only 0.1% and the 20-City unchanged. After close to six consecutive months of price declines across most cities, this is relatively good news. We just need to see it happen in more of the cities and for many months in a row. Since we are entering a seasonal buying period, it becomes very important to look at both monthly and annual rates of change in home prices in order to understand the broader trend going forward.”
As a reminder, all of the above is really generically worthless, because as Zero Hedge explained, America has not one, but four housing markets, with the bottom and the top presenting the fully indicative bid and ask depending on how motivated the seller is. For now, those holding at the bottom: bank distressed properties and refusing to sell. Soon they will have no choice but to.
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What's CNBC's take on this?
Oh yeah, FB options start trading ...
How about this: "Next month for sure!"
They're being real subtle today...they refer in the headlines to a post-crisis low. It would seem somewhat of a Sphinx riddle for numbers to become worse than the post-crisis lows and still refer to it as 'post-crisis'.
This is called "elastic defense". The prices are in retreat mode just to pop up with more power. Green shots, green shots!
And there is soooooo much money on the sidelines just waiting to buy in.
Orange County California is skyrocketing. Multiple offers above asking price.
Dipped in FB this morning with the July 25 puts... lots of volume already.
Picked off MSNBC website
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http://economywatch.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/29/11936181-home-prices-climb-for-second-month-in-row-in-march?lite
Missed it by jiiiiiiiiiiiiiiist that much.
No mark to market ... no bottom.
Riding Bernanke's 2% inflate our way out of this is going to require a long time line.
STick it in your ear Ben
...quintuple dip, sextuple dip... we are doing pretty good with that "change and hope"
Missed it by >---------that---------< much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPwrodxghrw
But NAR states we have turned the corner...
They confused the lip of the frying pan with a "corner"...
Very nice. Can I steal that from ya? :)
Of course...just send the royalty check care of Bernie Madoff. (he's my cell mate)
The NAR is bullish on slots in Tent Cities!
NAR is a bunch of liars.
We should bounce along the bottom here for a couple of years or better. For the most depressed markets price up or down (mom) is a function of how motivated banks are to unload inventory.
What would be the motivation to let go of any of that housing inventory? Their balance sheets probably have it priced in at 2007 prices.
The only reason would be if they attempt to run the gauntlet, with the presumption that they have a manageable nonperforming asset base... I could see this as a possibility for more mid-sized institutions. In other words, conceptually, the TRESERVE purported that should the backstop last long enough, it will allow the crippled banks to mend themselves back to health or at least a position sufficient enough to fend off most wolves. The problem was that in throwing money around like zoolander models throw gasoline, the TRESERVE never forced them to write down bad loans... (must be nice).
In short, the only reason to do it is the notion of survival... which, in this case, butts heads with financial benefit. For those institutions that can weather the storm (probably none of the big boys), it may provide a significant opportunity for market share on the back side. If they fall along the way, they will be cannibalized by the TBTF in an effort to shore up systemically important balance sheets... the trick is whether enough little guys can die in the mean time to keep some semblance of liquidity (NOT SOLVENCY) to the big boys.
For those that started this approach in 2008/2009, they've had quite a few years to dump bad apples.
"never . . . write down bad loan"
It isn't a loan after foreclosure. And of course the banks write down the asset when it gets reclassified out of the loan portfolio and into a non-performing asset (with an appraised value lower than the loan amount). But the first thing that happens is that the bank reverses all the accrued interest, fees and other payments (e.g. prop.taxes), which immediately hits the P&L.
Vacant homes (the shadow inventory) don't age well, even when winterized by the banksters. I have a couple of formerly really nice homes near my place that have been empty for 3+ years. All the landscaping is dead, weeds have taken over. No for sale sign, only "winterized notices" posted in the windows. There are millions of homes around the US in similar condition falling in greater disrepair the longer they sit empty.
This has to be the bottom. Cramer? Cramer? Anyone seen Cramer?
He was literally crying earlier on CNBC, seriously, tears and all. hence the name, Crymore.
As companies prepare for taxageddon and a second Obama term, they will lay off as many people as they can. This will set the consumer confidence downward spiral in motion. The Bernank still doesn't understand that $8/hour part-time workers don't buy houses no matter how low interest rates are forced by debt monetization.
Still believe the two-party lie? Is the same Bernanke that was appointed by Bush?
After the iceberg is hit, it doesn't matter who the captain of the ship is. Even my man, Ron Paul, couldn't save the ship with a dysfunctional crew. The ship is going down, now the only question is who will survive.
You are correct. As ironic as it is in the context of the recent "market" revalations, allm one can do is hedge accordingly.
Now LawsofPhysics, where in the post you commented on was there anything of a partisan political nature? It is you who seem to be the kneejerk red-team vs blue-team guy. Politics aside, preparing for a 2nd Obama term is the smart move by banks and companies, because it is the most likely outcome at the moment. What I disagree with is that Obama and Congress will allow all the tax breaks really expire. My bet is that they will roll them over similar to how the "temporary" payroll tax cut never goes away.
We are just bouncing along the bottom before the next leg down. With interest rates at record lows for at least another year, why bother to rush into buying. And notice how the idiot channel does not even talk about housing anymore. They just show the numbers at the bottom of the screen and move on to more important stories. Rigghhtt!!!
I'll keep saying it until everyone understands; we will be "beating expectations" all the way down...
The weight of some guys 'expectations' sets the bar? And who are the expectationers anyway? Like wizards of old....whatever they say goes.
The longer one sets at the bar, the lower the expectations get...especially regarding weight.
non sequiturus maximus
Quadruple is my favorite type of dip.
Escape From New York? High-Taxing Empire State Loses 3.4 Million Residents in 10 Years
"New York State accounted for the biggest migration exodus of any state in the nation between 2000 and 2010, with 3.4 million residents leaving over that period, according to the Tax Foundation."
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/escape-new-york-high-taxing-empire-state-loses-34-million-residents-10-years
With this stick house crap they build, there is still much room to the downside. Still way overpriced.
Oh come on $15k of materilas built like a Chinese economy car is definately worth $450k :)
A good 80 year old home can sit unoccupied for a few years without suffering major structural damage. 99% of the homes built during the bubble will be lucky to stand 20 years with proper care. A McMansion sitting for five years in a modern development with no resident care will pretty much need to be condemned. The mold alone would require a biohazard suit just to do an inspection.
Housing probably is nearing a bottom, but that doesn't mean it won't roll around on that bottom for many years to come.
As mentioned by several contributors here, there is no way for anyone to call a housing bottom as long as banks are withholding toxic properties off the market.
Buck Fernankie getting ready to unhook his bro (or is it a manzier?) and let the market suck his tits of liquidity?
Hey......where's Lee Adler? Shouldn't he be on here via Ilene enlightening us that now housing has really truly certainly absolutely bottomed and how bullish this all is and it's time to buy for sure? Or did the NAR cut his funding?
So free money from the Fed is good for propping up the housing market for a few months as speculators use the cash to buy "investment" homes.
The US is going to be like China. Someone owns all the property but nobody will be living in it. In the past month four homes sold in my immediate area. Every one was an all cash deal. Still haven't seen a moving truck.
We won't see the real housing bottom until the Fed is reigned in. The housing "recovery" is just like the stockmarket. Propped up with bullshit benfiting only the most connected.
These proclamations of "bottoms" are sheer nonsense. As long as banks are holding toxic, deteriorating properties out of the market, there can be no true discovery of where the housing bottom actually is.
There is no reality. It's all bullshit propaganda and trying to use the media and twisted statistics to convince people to believe in a lie.
Keeping the banks flush with free cash is not helping the housing problem.
No shit, listen to any "news" radio station these days. Just this morning more sunshine up our asses about "turning the corner" in housing. Last month it was that certain markets have "stabilized". This is nothing short of hilarious, take Detroit for example. The houses CAN'T go any lower in these cities. Hell, Detroit first contracted, and now sells what were once neighborhoods as "urban farms". I was just in Atlanta, no farms but lots of for sale signs. Unbelieveable.
Lots of obsolete farm equipment in Detroit and Atlanta.
Oh Detroit can go lower. Homes were selling for $1. The government can pay certain residents to occupy the homes.
Of course why would they want to take a home nobody wants over a brand new $250k per unit value government contracted built Testa welfare park.
You wouldn't believe what government housing looks like today. If you picked up the new urban development in Akron, OH and stuck it in California, it wouldn't look out of place with $2million per unit as the list price.
What is also hilarious is that a building that was supposed to be filled with million dollar condos was just bought by the city because the developer declared bankruptcy. The only use the city has for it is low income housing. "Damn, I gots myself da penthouse yo. Dat Obama tha shit."
Case-Shiller is old news. FNC 20 came out last week and is showing the same thing.
http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/case-shiller-house-price-index-rises-0-09-mom-phoenix-az-leads-the-recovery/
All house price indices are showing upticks (Zillow, CS, FNC, FHFA).
But we are entering the Summer Seasonal when house prices typically rise, only to give back ground in the Fall/Winter. See charts.
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http://news.yahoo.com/radioactive-bluefin-tuna-crossed-pacific-us-190121...
I'm waiting for those six-winged chickens Cali will start growing.....I just went 'short' chicken wings there will be such an oversupply. But on the bright side, any Cali restaurant serving these Bluefin tuna fish should get "glowing" reviews.
No worries...! The FDA claims there's nothing to worry about. Hey Bubba, Unkie Sam's gots yer back.....!
I sold in 2005 and have been renting since then.
I close on a nice place next month. The monthly nut is less than what I'm paying now in rent.
The price of the house will go up/down/sideways for the next several years. The mortgage payment will stay the same. I'm hoping the parasites don't raise property taxes too much!
Case-Shiller......sounds like a government attorney ? Monedas 1929 Comedy Shill For The PTB
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Don't these people get it? The housing market will never be the same - ever. The bubble was spawned by criminals and greedmeisters who got their piece while the getting was good and now are bitching and crying over the results. Hell, my hair stylist is 25 and even she gets it. She and her husband are so underwater in their mortgage - but as long as they are working they will try to survive and maybe remodel. She holds no hope that the future will ever be any different. Pretty sad. As stated other places, so many of these "reports" are juxtaposed in such a way to blow sunshine up our ass. Here in the Atlanta suburbs you don't see as many for sale signs as you once did - simply because people have taken them off the market. Just like unemployment numbers where people have given up. There are isolated pockets in town that are still selling well but drive beyond the trendy demarcation line of yuppyville into the inner city and it's just as bad as Detroit.
To understand if housing has hit bottom, go house shopping for a couple of months. You will see utter crap, built butt up next to other total crap, with the deafening roar of major highways overhead, that in 2007 was priced at or bought for $750,000, now 33% less, asking for $500 thousand with $15,000 in yearly taxes. If you are that big of a loser or that desperate, then go to a bank and try to get a mortgage for $400,000 based on your $100-150,000 yearly income, and watch them laugh. Then think about how many families there would need to be that are sitting on $500,000 in cash to prop up a market and lending environment like this. The problem is, of course, the country is full of houses like that one. Houses that are not worth a single penny more than they were in 1998, when this one was bught for $150,000 by a middle class family with yearly annual income of $60,000, using a loan for $125,000, the biggest mortgage they could receive at the time. The house needs to go down in price another 70%. That's the bottom we need to reach and the bottom we will reach.
And still our noble press is hell bent on leading more of us to the slaughter.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/spring-revival-americas-housing-market-191828180--sector.html
Obsession with Europe just lets the sheep off the hook about the ALL AMERICAN rot that created it all....
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