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Market Slumps After European Banks Admit They Can't/Won't Raise Capital; Will Proceed With Asset Liquidations Instead

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Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:31 | 1767039 CashCowEquity
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whore themselves out....raise $ that way.....o wait they already did

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:35 | 1767054 DutchZeroPrinter
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Who will be the buyers? Nobody!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:43 | 1767092 camaro68ss
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Let the bodys hit the floor, Let the bodys hit the floor, Let the bodys hit the floor, let the bodys hit the.....FLOOOOORRRRRR!!!!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:50 | 1767115 trav7777
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60% of book value?  ROTFL

These banks are FUCKING BANKRUPT.  They HAVE NO BOOK VALUE.  They are trading at infinity times real book value.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:55 | 1767139 Ancona
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I think I broke my schaudenfreude.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 17:32 | 1767258 strannick
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Didnt anyone from Countrywide explain to these euro-banksters that you cant actually go ahead and sell assets, cause then the bidless 'bid' will show what they are worth in a mark-to market world, which is next to nothing?

Better instead to keep the crappy assets on the books, pretend they're worth their weight in gold, and wait for some shady Slovaks to push Sulik down a manhole so as to get on with the ECB bailout.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 18:09 | 1767448 Mr_Wonderful
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Yeah, that is exactly the problem.

And it´s actually a very big problem for the FED as well.

They´re sitting on tons of pretty much wortless crap that they took off the hands of their owners, private banks. Now interest rates race upwards, resulting in fall in price of their supposedly good stuff, Uncle Sam´s paper. Since they´re leveraged like 60-1 against their capital they´ll probably be rendered technically insolvent fairly quickly if stocks continue rising and bond prices falling. In turn forcing them to start selling part of their bond portfolio thus contracting the money supply.  It´s a big conundrum, no wonder that markets have been getting increasingly unstable in the last months.



Wed, 10/12/2011 - 18:49 | 1767626 richard in norway
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usd denomatited assets. i think that means muni bonds and mbs

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 18:51 | 1767630 Mr_Wonderful
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Stock and bond prices obviously tend to move in opposite directions. As stocks rally they signal stronger economic activity and profits ahead, leading to increased demand for credit which in turn results in rising interest rates and thus falling bond prices.

This is a very big problem for financial institutions that are heavily leveraged against their capital. Never mind that part of their portfolio is pretty much worthless crap that isn´t priced to market.

It´s a very big problem for the mighty FED as well. As a matter of fact it is leveraged like 60-1 against its capital. It has capital of about 50 billion dollars against a bond portfolio of 3 trillion dollars. This is much worse than Lehman Brothers.

If money continues rushing out of bonds into stocks at the present rate I think the FED will be rendered technically insolvent fairly quickly. Except, that the brain-boxes that they are, last January they adopted an accounting change which allows them to book any losses on their portfolio as a liability to the Treasury, AKA the taxpayer. They would then simply book future profits against that liability and all would be well again. How they expect to balance this mess out is beyond me – frankly.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 20:57 | 1767978 jeff montanye
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off topic but thank you so much durdens.

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 00:49 | 1778332 J 457
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Is money rushing out of bonds into stocks...?  Hmmmm.  Not quite.  The FED can never be insolvent as long as they print $$.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 21:11 | 1768014 Quaderratic Probing
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Self hypnosis they believe their own BS

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:55 | 1767143 Western
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What's the natural logarithm of 1?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 17:02 | 1767166 redpill
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Wed, 10/12/2011 - 19:17 | 1767707 nmewn
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Why do these things always happen when overhead resistance is met? ;-)

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 17:38 | 1767324 Miss Expectations
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trav, You had 2 up arrows and I just clicked the up arrow and your count went up to 22!  I must have special powers.  Let me continue on down the thread...

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 02:54 | 1768621 Libertarians fo...
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Trav7777...  I am more than a little alarmed by your ignorance of simple mathematics, as demonstrated by your comment above.    

Anything multiplied by zero is zero; so, in fact, the "bankrupt" banks are NOT trading at infinity times book value. That's just silly. Had you put an asterisk after your post and made a coherent reference to the Dirac Delta function, I would have given you a mulligan, thinking perhaps you were just having difficulty trying to express an infinite value at a singular point (0). But you didn't - and because of that, I'm forced to believe that you simply don't have the slightest understanding of basic mathematics.

This is not the first time I've had to correct you.  Your chagrin is understandable. 




Wed, 10/12/2011 - 21:13 | 1768018 jeff montanye
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nit picker alert.  shaw has prevailed.  electronic fabian socialism is  real. well, at least all irregularities in english (irregularlties is tough, misspelled checked by att. among our president, barack obama.  and they spied for the cia.  however they have charming linesmen) but i digress:  reggie is right, sort of.  it is now go goes have goed, i is you is he is.  see the incindies (sp?) oedipal/electron.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:58 | 1767152 Ned Zeppelin
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Buyers: The Fed or some vehicle which leads back to the Fed and/or ECB. A LSAP program would do nicely.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 17:11 | 1767192 NotApplicable
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Swap line operators are standing by. Call now!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 20:07 | 1767844 Jay Gould Esq.
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So Miss Cleo now has her Series 7?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 17:15 | 1767203 B9K9
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Sigh; so few actually get it. There are two basic alternatives:

(a) deflationary implosion where the PTB loses control.

(b) inflationary explosion where the PTB maintains control.

Do you really think Bernanke, POTUS, Congress & SCOTUS won't pull out all the stops to preserve the status quo? I mean, what good are both the military & police if they can't be used to control the People?

There is going to be a massive devaluation - the LSAP is only an inkling of what's in store. With gas above $10 and food out of reach, that's when price controls & rationing begin. And for those who complain, agitate and/or otherwise annoy the PTB? Ha ha, you get one guess.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 18:19 | 1767492 Things that go bump
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How about us hoarders (food, gold)?  A shirttail relative of mine was reputed to be a hoarder during WWII and people looked down on him (presumably for his lack of patriotic zeal), but that was the worst of it.  I heard that in Europe hoarders who were caught got shot.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 20:04 | 1767829 Shvanztanz
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I think a lot of people got shot that didn't have shit to hoard.

But yeah, if you are smart enough to hoard, you are smart enough not to tell your neighbor.


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 21:05 | 1767997 Manthong
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Screw the neighbors - it's my relatives I'm worried about.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 22:02 | 1768113 centerline
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+1.  Put them to work.  Freeloading family that was too dense to listen to reason and prepare is going to have to earn thier keep!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 22:16 | 1768134 Snidley Whipsnae
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"I think a lot of people got shot that didn't have shit to hoard."

Yeah, lots of old scores get settled while the cops are busy keeping the citizens from hanging some azz hats that deserve hanging and some citizens that don't. Another example of ...

'let no crisis be wasted'

When people get hungry do not go out for a look see...no matter how curious you get. If you don't have a radio that picks up the HAM Radio bands plus local AM stations, get one. The first few weeks are going to be a sob...and, when 99% of the remaining citizens look like anerexics it isnt a good idea to walk around looking like Wimpy of hamburger fame. Use common sense.


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 22:21 | 1768145 Mr_Wonderful
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It´s very difficult to envisage any meaningful inflation in a debt-driven economy when 1. the debt bubble is bursting 2. unemployment is high and 3. there´s an overabundance of everything, cheap labor included, and technology and productivity race ahead.


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 17:53 | 1767379 slewie the pi-rat
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some "blogs" are more equal than others

the 100-day 'swap' from the US banksters has already liquified the worst sewage sludge;  the SNB is supportive; banksters & ministers have been meeting for months;  they just took 90 Billion (dollars?) of dexia's "problem" and gave it public guarantees.  then new "capital" took what was left and designed a new letterhead & co. logo.  as trav sez:  what assets?  the ones which are now gonna force out healthcare and pensions due to the public guarantees of the fuking banksterism crimes and frauds?  the "political" solution 4 europe = the same political solution 4 the USA:  privatiZe the profits and socialize the losses for the fascist uber-elitists

how many choices do you think a bunch of bankrupt douchebags have?  they can talk their way out, buy their way out, or shoot their way out.  we got em trapped up in a box canyon, BiCheZ!


Wed, 10/12/2011 - 22:25 | 1768157 Snidley Whipsnae
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Good points slewie... right now they are still trying to buy their way out (printing)... but that only leads to destruction of currencies... not that they are worth a crap now. I should use the term 'loss of faith in currencies', which is hyper inflation. With a few more can kicks we might see hyper inflation while experiencing credit collapse deflation... money and credit disappear from system. Some combo, eh?

I don't believe they will be able to print enough to do a partial system save without triggering loss of faith in the currencies. I could certainly be wrong... they have already pulled off far more than I thought they could.

I bought more pop corn today.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 17:19 | 1767224 Translational Lift
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It's a bitch when reality suddenly appears!!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 20:12 | 1767842 Shvanztanz
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United States Government issues global alert on increased threat of Al-Reality attack. Leading Al-Reality sources have reported a high likelihood of natural disasters, hurricanes and large fuel spills. Al-Reality also issued a threat recently to devalue currency, instigate class war not to mention a staggering 6 1980's TV shows to be made into movies over the coming year. 

Al-Reality has claimed responsibility for every death that has ever occurred, every bankruptcy and every episode of Joanie Loves Chachi ever made.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 20:23 | 1767882 philipat
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And even for a "Massively dilutive" Rights issue, who would underwrite it?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:36 | 1767059 Cynical Sidney
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eurozone is in a tailspin. the euro cannot and will not survive in its current form, neither could the european union. US markets will follow close behind, in fact america's financial picture is far worse compared to europe. we have by far the most debt and the size of hidden financial obligations are astronomical. once europe is set ablaze it'll engulf the us, asia and other emerging markets. politicans obviously have no clue how to deal with a systemic failure, they don't know how to unwind trillons of bad debts created by none other than the banksters. there are a few remedies on the table: eg global debt restructure/relief, one time flatline wealth tax to settle their bad fiat debts. i'd like to make it clear that america cannot afford to lead a path toward a civil war, a global war or the establishment of some nwo.

due to the thiefing ways of banksters and their control of their regulatory bodies, banksters executed a hyper over-leveraged buyout of our entire economy, transfering real wealth into fiat debt. thanks to them, he who has the most money has the most fiat debt. if the wealthy are taxed more it is rightfully so, it is not class war. if anything fiat debt and wealth destruction are the real class warfare here

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:42 | 1767085 Divided States ...
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Next step: the realization that he who sells first, sells best (price)


also means


Next step: the realization that he who buys first, buys worst (price)


also means


No willing buyers

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 17:00 | 1767160 Nascent_Variable
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Haven't you heard the latest rumor?  European banks are just hours away from being bailed out by the mysterious and wealthy Chinese investment bank, Fuk Yoo.

Dow 36,000.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 17:12 | 1767195 NotApplicable
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Just as long as it's not Fuk Mi.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 18:39 | 1767582 Spigot
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Phun Nee

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 18:10 | 1767456 walküre
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The same bank that just launched the SS Dim Sunk?

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 17:08 | 1767181 Amish Hacker
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Not at all. There will always be a willing buyer at some price. If you're the first to sell, you sell to the highest-bidding buyer. The second seller won't get as good a bid as the first, and so on down the line. "Selling best" doesn't guarantee a profit, just that you're going to get the best price possible.  

When a Nash Equilibrium fails, it's a bar fight, and you definitely want to be first.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 20:13 | 1767855 disabledvet
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Really? Forced sales should only be met with our noses upturned? Aren't we snotty-ville tonight. I imagine that includes all that gold that's being used as collateral for "the bank." How about Genzyme which is in the process of being bought by Sanofi-Aventis? Anywho it's just another global calamity. Makes me think...of music actually

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 22:30 | 1768172 Snidley Whipsnae
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"also means


No willing buyers"

The crap will fall till it hits bids of a couple of pennies on the dollar. Then TPTB will use their intermediaries to buy when the blood is in the street.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 06:39 | 1768756 Ghordius
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"the euro cannot and will not survive in its current form, neither could the european union"


why? because it has become a matter of faith for some commentators?

try to convince Greece or Germany or Spain or Ireland to leave the Euro

try to convince the UK or Poland or Hungary to leave the EU

complaints don't necessarily results in divorce!

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:44 | 1767095 Ancona
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Why not whore themselves out. Any hooker will tell you it's a great scam, "You've got it, you sell it......you still got it"! Kind of like gold leasing.....only different.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 17:25 | 1767259 slewie the pi-rat
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+ cooties, BiCheZ!

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 01:14 | 1768511 LongBallsShortBrains
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Reminds me of the difference between a drug pusher and a hooker......

A hooker can wash her crack and sell it again.

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 21:58 | 1768105 covert
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time to buy coming?



Wed, 10/12/2011 - 16:33 | 1767047 SilverRhino
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Silver's slowly coming back up ... so fuck it. 

Wed, 10/12/2011 - 17:03 | 1767170 redpill
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Central Banker: And I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling silver bugs *shakefist*


Rut roh Raggy!

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