• Sprott Money
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    The US, in its own decline, is showing this same self-destructive tendency. The worse things get, the greater the inclination of the citizenry to say, “Carry on, everything’s fine.”

Market Snapshot: Gold & Silver Recover As EU Doubles Down

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Mon, 09/26/2011 - 16:54 | 1712907 Deadpool
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hope you got your fair share

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:56 | 1713060 Libertarians fo...
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Thank god I waited until silver collapsed to buy some SLV, instead of getting lured in at $35, $40 and $45 like all the goons did.  YTD gains in silver is 0%, so basically I didn't miss anything for the year.  When you add the huge premiums for physical, I bet everyone's cost average for the year is ~$40 or more. 

Not me!  Got some SLV at $28 this morning, and felt awesome about it.  No retarded premiums, no holes in the backyard, extremely liquid, and can sell it in a second by hitting the return key. I'll probably add a stop around $26.

SLV rules!  Now I'm a silver bug! 

To the moon!  Parity to Gold!  Ra! Ra! 

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:59 | 1713070 DoChenRollingBearing
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Will it be the Faux Libertarian or the Rolling Bearing who laughs last?  Hmm.

None of that SLV for me pal!  But, I did eat my own dog food and bought (physical) gold and platinum today.  Details below.


Mon, 09/26/2011 - 20:10 | 1713381 Tuco Benedicto ...
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I heard dog food is great "with some fava beans and a nice chianti":)

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 18:14 | 1713097 margaris
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I dont care about the price of silver... I bought at 35... so what?

Then was my monthly accumulation buy, and then is when I bought.

I dont care about the price... I am accumulating every month...

I bet I get more silver this way than you do... because I do not wait for cheap price to buy!


Wait... you bought SLV? Why do I even bother talking to you, lol...

GET PHYSICAL... do you want to stay a virgin your whole life?

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 18:32 | 1713108 Libertarians fo...
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You don't care about the price of silver?  You just hoard it indiscriminantly?  


You belong in an Oliver Sachs book.

The Man who Mistook his Wife for a Silver Eagle. 

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 18:33 | 1713137 LeonardoFibonacci
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dude buy physical not paper silver.  SLV could backfire on you one day!

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 18:47 | 1713165 margaris
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An ounce of physical silver is an ounce of physical silver.

Get what you can while you can!

Why do you choose paper over metal? That just doesnt make any sense to me...

You are trading one paper for another... now thats just really silly!

Of course we all need paper money to live... but I would advice everyone to start accumulating something REAL for a change.


Mon, 09/26/2011 - 19:01 | 1713195 Long-John-Silver
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For every ounce of physical Silver in the market, 100 paper ounces of contract Silver is traded around SLV and all the other naked paper silver traders out there. The time is rapidly approaching when that 99% of the paper silver market evaporates leaving only 1% to divvy up between all the paper silver traders out there. The higher the volatility the closer that contorting trader comes to that fall off the cliff.  

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 19:09 | 1713214 duo
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real men use leverage...Oct 90 AGQ calls

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 19:28 | 1713258 JW n FL
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I am all for people using leverage to buy physical.

+1 from me.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 20:01 | 1713360 duo
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If you going to pay the "collectable" tax rate for SLV gains, you might as well trade options using leverage and put less money at risk.

Either that, or hold CEF for over a year and file the IRS forms for a PFIC,  Form 8562, I believe.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 22:15 | 1713553 JW n FL
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When I say physical..

I mean by the Box..

in 1 oz form..

so that I can have some walking around money, given some type of event renders paper (fiat) money useless.


Tue, 09/27/2011 - 00:09 | 1713432 tmosley
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If you were playing Monopoly with someone, and they offered to give you a dollar for every 30 monopoly bucks, would you buy it?  If they offered you a dollar for every 300?  Every $3000?  If there was no other way for you to get dollars?

But you are so stupid, you probably won't understand the metaphor, or see the real world implications.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 21:32 | 1713581 pupton
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Hitler when you sell you will have to pay capital gains taxes...when we sell physical nobody knows...

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 20:13 | 1713392 Dugald
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And when silver is eleven bucks an ounce....and no takers...will you still feel cocky??

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 19:12 | 1713221 tmosley
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Where do you trade that you can sell and get cash in your hand in thirty minutes?  Because I can do that with physical.  

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 20:12 | 1713335 Libertarians fo...
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And you're the same guy who admits to paying 50% premiums.  Go sell your silver tonight to your goofy coin dealer in Armpit, Texas.  He'll offer you $25.  By the time you calculate the premium that you pay when you buy and the discount you get when you sell, you'll realize just how much retail arbitrage on physical screws you. 

I guarantee there are guys here at ZH (reasonably intelligent people) who paid >$50 (including premiums), and if they sold today, would get ~$25.  Huge loss! 

If all I have to worry about are some HFT'ers in Greenwich frontrunning me by 1/4th of a penny, I don't really care.  Sure as hell beats your 25% premiums. 

Mosley, you're so dumb, you sit on the teeeveee and stare at the couch.



Mon, 09/26/2011 - 20:19 | 1713405 Newsboy
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Sounds like troll blather to me. "Armpit Texas"? "T.Mosley dumb"? You get paid by the word for this stuff?

I got in on a silver pool at $29.45. My dealer trusted me to the afternoon. I paid an additional $3.50 per Philharmonic round. By the time I got in to pay at 4PM, silver was up by a dollar, reducing my premium to $2.50 per ounce. It was part of a purchase pool, a significant service, since physical silver is gone at these dip prices.

This is Austin Texas, People are not stupid. Lots of guns, places in the country stocked-up, and of course self-defense technology remains very popular and broadly disseminated.

I don't think you bought SLV. I think you bought a burger, fries and a shake, and the remains are sitting in front of you as you work.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 20:32 | 1713442 tmosley
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Nice absudity there.  I SAID that I PAID a 50% premium for silver when spot was $8.  What part of "past tense" don't you understand?  And here we are, with conditions being tuned for a repeat of 2008, and you think it's crazy that premiums might go up?  Of course, you are so stupid that you don't understand that there is a fixed spread at coin dealers, and that that is the same no matter the premium.  If the Premium rises to ten dollars over spot, they will buy at seven dollars over spot.

The rest of your blather isn't even worth reading.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 20:01 | 1713359 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Ha! Ha!  Good luck getting real physical when an EMP weapon explodes over Colorado in December!

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 20:53 | 1713504 mayhem_korner
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@Libertarians for...

When you're finished polishing your stinger to a buff shine, know that lots of posters here bought Au at 3-digits, and some even bought silver at single-digit prices.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 21:42 | 1713602 Marty Rothbard
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Just don't hold it until the rubes figure out SLV is a "PAPER" tiger.  By the way you are aiding and abetting JPM, and are thus evil by proxy.  When I sold my SLV last year, and went physical, I got silver bullion coins for $28 delivered.  I'd held SLV for some time.  Max Keiser convinced me to go physical.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 22:33 | 1713685 doomz78
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you didn't get physical at 28 an ounce....   no, no, no.    You got slv.   That's a vehicle for the retarded.  A Fiat 500 with a clown nose with shit smeared on it's paint.  REAL physical silver still had a premium at 28.  I don't believe that you timed the market that perfectly anyways.  It''s easy to say that you got the best possible deal after the fact.  You are lying.  that just happened beatch.  Swallow it. 

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:01 | 1712937 Jehu
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Man I wanted in on silver... ya snooze ya lose. Kids can be expensive in so many ways.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:25 | 1712996 Josh Randall
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Follow JPM's stock price as the Morgue has one more shot to get Silver down below it, before the Silver rocket runs and the physical price and paper price offically separate.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:31 | 1713005 XenoFrog
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I was feeling pretty horrible about picking up another 30 ounces over the weekend @31 when I woke up and saw $26. Thankfully patience overcame panic.

Condolences about the crotch goblins.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 18:44 | 1713160 UP Forester
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Yeah, I felt pretty horrible exchanging 250 FRNs for $10 of quarters and dimes.  First time I've been at that jeweler's shop since he was ripping us off as kids for baseball cards.

He had it comin'....

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 19:58 | 1713352 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Yes, but they are the best investment in the whole world.  No metals are as precious as a child especially the children of one smart enough to look out for their future by buying metals and getting out of fiat!

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 00:06 | 1713801 AustriAnnie
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And your kids will provide real "social security" in your old age!  Your loss in PM's now will repay you later!

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:02 | 1712938 RobotTrader
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Today could be a setup for a massive run in PM's.

Funny how the PM stocks have been woefully underperforming, well, now we know why.  The "big shakeout" has now happened, that is what they were pricing in all along.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:10 | 1712962 DavidPierre
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"...massive run in PM's."

"Due to current market volatility, Sprott Money Ltd. supply of bullion products in Canada are temporarily unavailable. We regret the inconvenience this may have caused."

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:36 | 1713012 DoChenRollingBearing
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David Pierre, nice piece of news, thanks!  I always look forward to your comments, please comment MORE!

OK, Mr. Sprott..., OK...

That's why I don't mess with any "Paper Gold", ANY!

And, I went and ate my my own dog food today, buying gold (when spot was $1601, I paid $1686, so call it a 5% premium) and a Proof Platinum Eagle (Rocky R, feel free to email me!).  

Fear not!  The future of gold is better than ever.

What, anyone believe that Europe or the USA has FIXED anything?  BWAHAHAHAHA!

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 19:49 | 1713268 DavidPierre
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Ask ... Ye shall recieve.

How my friend Jack, from up north of me, sees things.

"The volumes of over the counter sales and purchases of silver went through the roof. Although much silver was offered we sold far more, so much so; we had to book orders for shop inventory twice on Friday.

I would have made a third booking had I been able to get through to one of my suppliers. As a vendor, when your inventory is being sold below cost it is vital to book new inventory on the basis of the current price. Failure to do that could result in serious losses being realized if you end up replacing the sold inventory at higher prices. Consequently it creates a great deal more work when trading in a falling market. As if that wasn't enough, my XRF testing unit arrived and required receiving.

My first order was with Kitco and it took at least fifteen minutes to get through to an corporate account agent. I was also told that most retail customers were unable to get through to book orders due to the volume of calls. My second order about an hour later was for a different product I deal with a private vendor for. Fortunately I have a cell phone number and was able to reach him.

By the end of the day most of my booked orders were presold and I will have to order more on Monday.

My shop is in Red Deer Alberta and we had buyers driving up from Calgary which is 150 km ( ~100 miles) away because the vendors there, one of which is a major RCM distributor; were all sold out of bullion bars.

We buy silver maples, eagles, and philharmonics for a dollar over spot and pay full spot on smaller bars so we tend to get a lot of material offered since I know of no other vendors in Alberta paying over spot from the public.

There is a steady flow of offered bullion as people sell for many different reasons. They could be stale longs, doing estate planning or just taking profits. The lower silver prices brought a few panic sellers in but it was remarkable how many buyers took advantage and bought.

That is the biggest difference in attitude I see in the holders of specie since opening in 2004. Another very positive aspect of this correction is the number of new buyers who are eager to enter the market at current price points.

On another note.... Thursday night I had a conversation with my friend who has a high ranking connection in Norway. The Norwegian Central Bank is very concerned about the demand for Kroner. Norway is not a participant in the Euro and there are those who are taking positions in their currency causing it's value to appreciate. Norway is a resource exporter with oil as it's largest source of revenue. That oil is mostly sold in for US dollars which have fallen against the Kroner causing a squeeze on royalty revenue and oil profits.

Norwegian financial authorities were looking at controls to dampen speculative demand but the IMF has requested they hold off until a more COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDING ALL OR MOST WESTERN CURRENCIES CAN BE IMPLEMENTED. Apparently banks proprietary trading desks realize their greatest revenue from FX and related derivatives and any locks or restrictions have to take that into account.

My friend was told that should the US dollar or Euro move out of an acceptable exchange rate draconian measures would be implemented. A deal was also made that would see the Euro supported as more bad news emerges from European countries with debt issues.

My friend's source still prefers silver rather than gold for financial protection. His concern is that of punitive measures being put into place to contain demand should the public start buying gold in earnest. He also extrapolated that to smaller countries facing political pressure for holding "too much" gold. In spite of his caution I still favour gold over silver or platinum group metals.
Clearly things are not well in "fiat moneyland".

When the banking holiday arrives it's a safe bet that it will involve more than those in one nation or region."


Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:49 | 1713048 wang (not verified)
Mon, 09/26/2011 - 18:40 | 1713153 Manthong
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Um.. maybe that means that Mr. Sprott does not care to part with inventory at current levels.

Just sayin..

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 19:51 | 1713286 DavidPierre
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Whom shall ye believe ?

"Just sayin.."

Sprott Money President Larisa Sprott today tells King World News today that the coin and bullion dealer's silver supply was temporarily wiped out by huge demand prompted by this week's huge decline in silver future's prices.

An excerpt from the interview is posted at the King World News blog here:


"In Bangkok the gold market has gone berserk.

Thailand has a very strong gold culture with gold shops virtually on every main street where one can purchase gold bars on demand until recently.

Now with the recent price slam down you have to get a queuing ticket and wait for two to three days to obtain your bars.

Strange the price is collapsing as demand for physical has soared here in Thailand !

I admire the great work GATA is doing in the fight for honest money."

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 20:42 | 1713466 Manthong
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Heck, Apmex hasn't been asking me for any green boxes back yet and I don't see scarcity locally.

As of last week, Bill Haynes on KWN  hasn't noted a supply problem yet. 

I hope it dries up one of these days.. I don't doubt it will in Asia first.

Maybe it's a bit thin up in Hoserland, too.

Sprott's OK.. I own his ETF's.

They ain't getting my physical for a long time, it's the only real money anymore.

I'd like to get some of my fiat back from his diggers. though.



Tue, 09/27/2011 - 01:37 | 1713873 PaperWillBurn
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I doubt that but I'm checking on it just in case. I live in BKK when I'm not at work. Gold shops are on every street. It's hard to imagine having to wait to obtain gold in Thailand. The physical market is large and everywhere.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 01:46 | 1713881 PaperWillBurn
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Actually to confirm or deny this I am going to have the wife go to tesco(a grocery store) and buy a 1 baht bar (15.244 grams of 96.5%) common size in Thailand. I'll report back.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:42 | 1713034 Al Huxley
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That was a pretty violent selloff last week. I'd say it'll take a while to recover. Sure did a good job of crushing sentiment in the sector, though. Would be just like the miners to break all established patterns and just launch from here.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 20:20 | 1713408 Dugald
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Yah think????


Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:02 | 1712939 ZeroNuclear
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A shipwreck containing 200 tonnes of silver worth about £150m
has been found in the Atlantic - the largest haul of precious metal ever discovered


Shipwreck of SS Gairsoppa reveals £150m silver haul

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:07 | 1712953 mixle
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Damn you beat me to it!

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 18:17 | 1713107 MsCreant
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Man, I have been looking for that boat, I am so greatful, really, thank you so much. I will, of course, give you a cut for your trouble!

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 18:19 | 1713111 MsCreant
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I had some guns too, did you find them?

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:17 | 1712975 Dr. Gonzo
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150 million Euro ain't that much money. Multiply that sum by another 1.5 million and that's how much fiat it would take to bail out Europe...and that might not even be enough...and that doesn't even count the U.S.

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:21 | 1712979 Pegasus Muse
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I wonder how much of this silver has been lost due to reaction with hydrogen sulfide and/or sulfur dioxide or bacterial action given the metal has been immersed in a soup of dissolved salts and tiny critters for 70 years.  Any biologists or chemists out there?

Snip ----

"Silver is particularly susceptible to the effects of the sulfide radical. This is best demonstrated by the formation of tarnish on silver objects that are exposed to sulfur in any form, particularly hydrogen sulfide and sulfur dioxide, which can convert to sulfuric acid.

In a marine environment, with its abundance of soluble sulfates and oxygen-consuming, decaying organic matter, sulfate-reducing bacteria utilizes available sulfates under anaerobic conditions to form hydrogen sulfides as a metabolic product. The hydrogen sulfide reacts with the silver to form silver sulfide. The overall reaction proceeds in the same process as described earlier for iron:

2Ag + H2S >> Ag2S + H2

In anaerobic marine environments, silver sulfide (Ag2S) is the most common mineral alteration compound of silver (North and MacLeod 1987:94). It is commonly reported from shipwrecks in the Caribbean and Australia and constitutes the most prevalent corrosion compound on silver objects from marine sites. Most marine-recovered silver artifacts have a thin sulfide surface layer, which has removed some surface detail, such as inscriptions, marks, and stamps. A large percentage of the artifacts, however, are completely converted to sulfide; others have only minimal metal remaining."

--- Snip


Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:33 | 1713013 Shineola
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Excellent research, Peg! 


BTW, how would this sulfide radical effect the body of Osama Bin Laden?  :)

Mon, 09/26/2011 - 17:45 | 1713038 Panafrican Funk...
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You're assuming he's dead and/or ever really existed and/or was actually dumped in the ocean.  This is a big assumption.

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