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Mass Shooting Incidents In The Last Two Decades

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At least superficially, they appear to be coming more and more often.

From Reuters:

March 13, 1996 - BRITAIN - Gunman Thomas Hamilton burst into a primary school in the Scottish town of Dunblane and shot dead 16 children and their teacher before killing himself.

April 28, 1996 - AUSTRALIA - Martin Bryant unleashed modern Australia's worst mass murder when he shot dead 35 people at the Port Arthur tourist site in the southern state of Tasmania.

April 1999 - UNITED STATES - Two heavily-armed teenagers went on a rampage at Columbine High School in Littleton, Denver, shooting 13 students and staff before taking their own lives.

July 1999 - UNITED STATES - A gunman killed nine people at two brokerages in Atlanta, after apparently killing his wife and two children. He committed suicide five hours later.

June 2001 - NEPAL - Eight members of the Nepalese Royal family were killed in a palace massacre by Crown Prince Dipendra who later turned a gun on himself and died few days later. His youngest brother also died later raising the death toll to 10.

April 26, 2002 - GERMANY - In Erfurt, eastern Germany, 19-year-old Robert Steinhauser opened fire after saying he was not going to take a math test. He killed 12 teachers, a secretary, two pupils and a policeman at the Gutenberg Gymnasium, before killing himself.

Oct. 2002 - UNITED STATES - John Muhammad and Lee Malvo killed 10 people in sniper-style shooting deaths that terrorized the Washington, D.C., area.

April 16, 2007 - USA - Virginia Tech, a university in Blacksburg, Virginia, became the site of the deadliest rampage in U.S. history when a gunman killed 32 people and himself.

Nov. 7, 2007 - FINLAND - Pekka-Eric Auvinen killed six fellow students, the school nurse, the principal and himself with a handgun at the Jokela High School near Helsinki.

Sept. 23, 2008 - FINLAND - Student Matti Saari opened fire in a vocational school in Kauhajoki in northwest Finland, killing nine other students and one male staff member before killing himself.

March 11, 2009 - GERMANY - A 17-year-old gunman dressed in combat gear killed nine students and three teachers at a school near Stuttgart. He also killed one other person at a nearby clinic. He was later killed in a shoot-out with police. Two additional passers-by were killed and two policemen seriously injured, bringing the death toll to 16 including the gunman.

June 2, 2010 - BRITAIN - Gunman Derrick Bird opened fire on people in towns across the rural county of Cumbria. Twelve people were killed and 11 injured. Bird also killed himself.

April 9, 2011 - NETHERLANDS - Tristan van der Vlis opened fire in the Ridderhof mall in Alphen aan den Rijn, south of Amsterdam, killing six before turning the gun on himself.

July 22, 2011 - NORWAY - Police seize a gunman who killed 69 people at a youth summer camp of Norway's ruling political party, on the small, holiday island of Utoeya. Anders Behring Breivik is later charged with the killings, as well as with an earlier bombing in Oslo which killed eight people. The trial ended last month with Breivik saying that his bombing and shooting rampage was necessary to defend the country - prompting a walk-out by relatives of his victims.

Dec. 13, 2011 - BELGIUM - Gunman Nordine Armani killed three people, including a 17-month-old toddler, wounding 121 in a central square in the eastern city of Liege, before shooting himself. The next day Belgian investigators found the body of a woman in warehouse used by the gunman raising the death toll, including the killer, to five.

July 20, 2012 - UNITED STATES - A masked gunman killed 14 people and wounded 50 others when he opened fire on moviegoers at a showing of new Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises" in the city of Denver.


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Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:12 | 2635297 jazze
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This latest one is perfect timing for the UN Gun control law.

"They" can all go after gun owners again

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:22 | 2635330 infotechsailor
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Seem to be happening more and more often. Directly correlated to the percentage of the population on Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI Antidepressants).

SSRI Stories
Antidepressant Nightmares

"We Speak for the Dead to Protect the Living"


Withdrawal can often be more dangerous than continuing on a medication. It is important to withdraw extremely slowly from these drugs, usually over a period of a year or more, under the supervision of a qualified specialist. Withdrawal is sometimes more severe than the original
symptoms or problems.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:27 | 2635346 Id fight Gandhi
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Nasty psychoactive pills that drs give out like candy.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:41 | 2635412 TheTmfreak
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More sensational garbage. More people are killed via gun accidents in a year than all of those incidents combined. More people are probably hacked to death with machetes in Africa each year than all those incidents combined. More people die from senseless traffic accidents in ANY country per year than all those incidents combined. Not to say it isn't a tragic and fucked up incident, but I'd say lets put this in perspective to other incidents where people probably should still be alive. (innocents)

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:03 | 2635505 bank guy in Brussels
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Mark Ames wrote a book on this, 'Going Postal', trying to answer the question as to why these mass murders suddenly started happening a few decades ago, in the US and developed societies especially.

After all, long ago, in the late 1800s for example, people were carrying guns around just about everywhere in the US and Britain, often concealed (it was considered a basic human right back then, often no permit needed) and yet these kinds of mass murder sessions of random innocents did not happen like they do now.

What Ames noticed, is that these modern mass murders are very similar to the mass murders committed by slaves in the Western world slavery era. Abused and oppressed and feeling helpless, and usually unable to go after their real owners-masters, slaves often lashed out and hurt or killed others around them, other slaves included.

Ames theory' is that modern society has sunk to a point where people feel abused and helpless and unable to do anything because of all the modern world constraints, and a few eventually expode irrationally just like the slaves - because they - we - are often in the mental state of slaves.

The media often hides background facts -

Like in those USA Columbine High School shootings that became the subject of Michael Moore's anti-gun movie ... What is almost never mentioned is that the two teen-age boys were apparently raped while they were arrested for some minor offence and while in police custody.

With no justice for the crimes against themselves, boiling over with torment over being raped young males, they exploded in a murderous rampage ... and afterwards the US media hid the fact that the boys themselves, were victims of the US police and justice system that destroyed their minds with its brutality.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:10 | 2635538 Freewheelin Franklin
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You mean from Ames and Levine? Do those guys have any credibility left?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:41 | 2636014 redpill
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This has nothing to do with firearms, and everything to do with our unwillingness as a society to seriously address mental illness.

We have no problem doling out SNAP cards to sane, able-bodied people so they can spend their money on iphones and manicures instead of groceries, but when it comes to people who are debilitatingly insane and potentially dangerous, the only response is crickets because it's not a pleasant issue to deal with.

So to everyone else, the next time you see the guy wandering around outside the grocery store talking to an invisible friend, or your kid comes home from school and talks about the weird crazy kid that everyone picks on, maybe think about whether there is something you could do other than ignore it.

And it's also a keen reminder that shit can go down anywhere, any time.  Situational awareness is a good habit to have whether you're a soldier, or on the highway, or just sitting down to watch an overhyped movie at midnight.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:17 | 2636485 blunderdog
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Mental illness is often portrayed as a defect of CHARACTER, unlike something like, say, Parkinson's disease. 

We've gone about as far as we can go in the direction of, "if it's not my own personal life, it doesn't affect me at all and I refuse to pay for it."

These things will continue to become more common until the conditions for the majority of the population start to improve.  Doesn't look to me like we should expect a turnaround any time soon. 

The USA should be reduced to just another violent maleducated backwater in another 10 years of struggling to protect the owners of our government from the subjects.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:43 | 2636593 12ToothAssassin
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Tylers Durden did you forget the recent French guy (Mohamed Merah) that shot up the school and then holed up in his pad before being killed in a shootout with police?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 15:09 | 2637320 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Oh oh, I am so surprised that the most militaristic nation on Earth with the most gigantic killing machine military flinging bombs across the globe had a violent incident at a movie full of mega-violence.

now the blogosphere will erupt with people saying they just need to arm everybody to the teeth and all walk around on a hair trigger, stand-your-grounding everything in sight.

I live in Australia where a mass shooting occurred 35 years ago, it woke this nation up so they disarmed the place, now it has a murder rate 1/4 of the US. But no, let's just be sure schoolkids, suburban Moms, movie goers and everybody has all the weaponry they can dream of at their fingertips and just blaze away.

Yeah, yeah, then only criminals will have guns, blah blah. Why not just lay anti-personnel mines around everyone's house, we can all stay home and play violent video games

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 17:00 | 2637739 Randall Cabot
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Today 12 people died, if they take the guns from the population it will be 12 million tomorrow and 120 million after that. The same gang that took over Russia 90 years ago has taken over America, and Australia too.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 18:05 | 2637867 Random_Robert
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Australia and Switzerland-


two societies at opposite ends of the "governement mandated gun control" spectrum, and yet both have similar violent crime rate statistics... hmmmm.


Perhaps guns actually have nothing to do with violent crime at all.  Maybe violent crime is simply a by-product of a completeley fucked sense of social awareness.


Congrats to you Aussies for your stable society.... but I warn you- entropy's a bitch.


All stability is merely a fleeting and elusive moment that only blinks in and out between periods of pure chaos.

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 17:36 | 2647228 12ToothAssassin
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More about guns and crime rate correlation here:



Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:16 | 2635568 LoneStarHog
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The problem is that the one's presently committing the violence are mentally and/or physically unstable. The true criminals - for example, The Banksters - have professional protection.  Now, the first tactical move when executing a strategy against a main target is to identify its defenses.  The second tactical move is to TAKE OUT those defenses.  Only when the most dangerous job in the world becomes PROTECTING the banksters will TRUE justice prevail.  When the TRUE criminals can't get ANYONE to protect them - the so-called protection professionals knowing that THEY become the targets - will the TRUE criminals be available to We The People because they will stand naked and unprotected.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:25 | 2635629 overbet
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You should sort them by victims rather than chronologically.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:35 | 2635694 Zymurguy
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Read:  The Bias Against Guns (Lott) if you really want to learn the statistical facts regarding death and injury associated with firearms.  He even explains to you how the statistics are derived which is as important when looking at these figures.

My fav' quote in regards to situations like this:

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

It takes a predator less than 30 seconds to move through every room in an average sized home.  You and your whole family could be dead in that amount of time.  Police response time is at best about 3 minutes in suburban United States.

Predators seek soft targets, like a ceremony where no one is armed, or schools where no one is armed, or theaters where no one is armed.

There have been many situations where a predator has been confronted by armed resistance and was stopped - the dino-media does not report that, however.  They only report armed resistance when it's an off duty police officer or a retired vet'.  Wonder why that is?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:51 | 2635775 smiler03
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What an absolute joke. Who drew this list up??? Only 2 in the US in 2002 and 2012???

Try this little list courtesy of Wikipedia, and these are JUST SCHOOL SHOOTINGS


  • May 26, 2000: Lake Worth, Florida Lake Worth Middle School Barry Grunow was fatally shot by his student, 13-year-old Nathaniel Brazill, who had returned to school after being sent home at 1 p.m. by the assistant principal for throwing water balloons. Brazill returned to school on his bike with a 5 inch Raven, and four bullets stolen from his grandfather the week before. Brazill was an honor student. Grunow was a popular teacher and Brazill's favorite.
  • 2000–2001 (19 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
  • 2001–2002 (4 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
  • 2002–2003 (14 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
  • 2003–2004 (29 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
  • 2004–2005 (20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
  • 2005–2006 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
  • 2006–2007 (38 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
  • 2007–2008 (3 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
  • 2008–2009 (10 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)


  • February 27, 2012: Chardon, Ohio Chardon High School, T.J. Lane, 17, took a .22-caliber pistol and a knife to Chardon High and firing 10 shots at a group of students sitting at a cafeteria table resulting in the death of 3 and wounding 2.
  • 2009–2010 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
  • 2010-2011 (12 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
  • 2011-2012 (11 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)





Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:51 | 2635790 LawsofPhysics
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Automobiles have killed mored people idiot, perhaps we should outlaw them too. Stupid fucking sheep.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:01 | 2635837 TheTmfreak
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Yep exactly.

Bombs are outlawed, yet bombs still are made and go off.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:09 | 2636184 A Nanny Moose
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Governments killed 250 million of their own people in the 20th Century alone, not counting wars.

Can we outlaw government? Please?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 16:54 | 2637727 TheTmfreak
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No fucking shit.... I tried explaining this not long ago to somebody.


Whoopsies, anything for the "Greater good."

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:53 | 2635802 N. B. Forrest
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Sounds to me like the moral of the story is to pull your kids out of school.

I did, and they are safely ensconced in my home during the day protected by a heavily armed Mom and Dad. 

One more benefit of homeschooling. 

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:09 | 2635897 zapdude
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+1 Love it.  That's one of the reasons we homeschool our 6 children too. 

Actually only 4 right now, the other 2 are just toddlers. 

Standing order is that the wife never opens the door to anyone unexpected when I'm out.  And we are armed.

Another benefit to homeschooling is there's no bullying, drugs, or sexualization of my kids at home either. 

Makes it easier to learn without all that garbage, what a surprise!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:44 | 2636012 houserich
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Your kids are missing out on:

  • Sorting by age
  • Impersonal large class
  • Poorly supervised freetime
  • Conflicts between teaching authority and parental authority
  • Inefficient and all-consuming schedule
  • Helicopter/drop-off day care parents

Are you sure you don't want to reconsider?


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:07 | 2636179 zapdude
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Oh, and don't forget the pedophile monster teachers and counselors that lurk in some classrooms and hallways. 

Not to throw all public or private schools under the bus, but these dirtbags exist in all corners of society, even the sacred public school system.

No thanks, you can keep your government school -- I'm out.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:38 | 2636013 houserich
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(Double post deleted.)


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:29 | 2635660 Moe Howard
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Legal "mood" and "anti-psychotic" drugs are common in almost all of these shootings. No need to go down any rabbit holes.

The drug companies shovel it out by the barrel full, and this is the result.

Make Zoloft illegal, not guns.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 14:11 | 2637039 HardAssets
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You make one of the best points on this matter - - which seems to get lost in most of the other commentary (and especially 'news' media accounts of past incidents). The question that should be asked is "What, if any,  medications was the murderer taking ? "

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:51 | 2635785 AnAnonymous
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What Ames noticed, is that these modern mass murders are very similar to the mass murders committed by slaves in the Western world slavery era. Abused and oppressed and feeling helpless, and usually unable to go after their real owners-masters, slaves often lashed out and hurt or killed others around them, other slaves included.

Ames theory' is that modern society has sunk to a point where people feel abused and helpless and unable to do anything because of all the modern world constraints, and a few eventually expode irrationally just like the slaves - because they - we - are often in the mental state of slaves.


Quite a claim, even by US citizen standards.

Slaves in US citizen nations were oppressed, abused and helpless. They were also violently deshumanized as freedom is an unalienable right according to US citizens.

None of the shooters experienced anything like that.

They were more your US citizen typical middle class member who would unleash one's predatory impulses.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:54 | 2636113 TheFourthStooge-ing
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More AnAnonymous screed:

Slaves in US citizen nations were oppressed, abused and helpless.

Tell us how much better off the slaves in Chinese citizenism nations are these days.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:30 | 2636284 A Nanny Moose
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Slaves in US citizen nations were oppressed, abused and helpless. They were also violently deshumanized as freedom is an unalienable right according to US citizens.

Like in Pewblik Skewlz? Abuse is not limited to physical force.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:32 | 2636005 Overfed
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That's been my own theory as well for quite some time.

So many people are feeling powerless and hopeless to the point that there is nothing left for them except notoriety through some heinous crime. Look for it to increase greatly as the whole world skitters out of control.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:36 | 2636030 ScotlandTheBrave
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Holy Batshit!  I smell Bull Shit!

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 14:50 | 2685426 boogerbently
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Homosexual behavior is to blame for mass killings........those bastards!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:53 | 2635801 LawsofPhysics
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Actually, automobiles have killed far more people, espcially under the age of 30.  Time to ban automobiles!!!!!  Stupid fucking sheep.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 14:51 | 2685429 boogerbently
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Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:54 | 2636110 A Nanny Moose
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Roughly half of all gun deaths in the US are suicides. People who wish to depart, no matter what the method.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:44 | 2635424 MillionDollarBonus_
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@jazze Well what's your solution????? Clearly, the lax gun laws supported by right wing hillbillies are a major factor contributing to the rise of gun crime. How many more people need to die before crazy right wingers agree to sensible gun control legislation?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:52 | 2635451 LoneStarHog
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MDB talking out his ASS, again! ... Why don't you do some BASIC Internet research and discover the following from the FBI - that is Federal Bureau of Idiots and not the other FBI - FaceBook Investors - even though both are equally STUPID!

According to the latest FBI statistics, areas where gun ownership has significantly INCREASED, especially Conceled Carry, gun-related crimes have DECREASED.


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:58 | 2635493 bobnoxy
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You're obviously an idiot. Let's see, the ratio of cops carrying guns is about 100%. Do you mean to say that they never get shot at? I'm wondering why one of the biggest groups calling for stricter gun control laws is the police chief's association.

Dumb ass, right wing Redneck. By the way, I own several guns myself, and my wife owns four.


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:02 | 2635501 LoneStarHog
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Let me see if I can add 2+2=4 for you.  Contemporary Example, Chicago:  Austere gun control of its law-abiding citizens.  To quote the Chief of Police, "The streets are like Afganistan with all the killings." The violence is by the CRIMINALS who will ALWAYS be able to SOURCE a weapon.

Look in the mirror!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:16 | 2635570 Chump
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They probably don't like that some citizens can still defend themselves from their thugs with badges.  I wonder if these thugs will see any jail time?


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:21 | 2635600 sickofthepunx
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white people are depraved lunatics

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:23 | 2635618 Chump
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Know how I know you're a troll?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:29 | 2635659 sickofthepunx
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because it takes one to know one?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:50 | 2635783 JimBowie1958
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It doesnt 'take one to know one' asshat.

You shine 'Fucktard' like a neon sign, no qualification necesary to ID your bilge.

Please go grow a brain cell or two or steal some.

And do not have children, I pray to God, for all our sakes.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:52 | 2635794 AnAnonymous
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That is a nice retort, indeed.

Lost on US citizen people, though.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:12 | 2635914 Chump
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^See?  When one of the Anonymouses agrees with you that means you just said something stupid.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:56 | 2636126 TheFourthStooge-ing
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That is a nice retort, indeed.

Lost on US citizen people, though.

One of your Chinese Citizenism Ministry of Truth coworkers?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:04 | 2636426 ArrestBobRubin
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Ah, the "OK" bigotry rears its ugly head.

What a brave soul you are.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:30 | 2635667 capitalist bison
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MDB is a satirical troll (and a damn funny one at that). What he says is the opposite of what he means.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:33 | 2635681 Chump
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Yes, but that's why I junked him on this one.  This is neither the time nor the place for his usual bullshit.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:56 | 2635470 bobnoxy
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Exactly! As in, convicted felons already can't buy a gun. Minors can't. Illegals aren't supposed to. Neither are crack dealers and gang bangers, but they do all the time. How about people with diagnosed bi-polar disease, or people on anti-depressants? You mean, that kind of sensible gun control?

Cue the NRA. Guns don't kill people, people do! No, bullets kill people, shot from guns by people that never should have owned one. If someone's coming at you with a knife, you stand a much better chance. Maybe you can outrun him at the very least.

Hard to outrun the bullet from a coward's gun.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:11 | 2635544 Dr. Richard Head
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I would rather be armed like this gentlmen here, than to wait for the police

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:31 | 2635672 GMadScientist
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Wow 63 (or is it 71) year old pre-cog!

It'd be a real shame if old Sammy had accidentally shot one of the other patrons in the heat of the moment though.

Better to kill kids with no previous record than give up some trinkets? Physician, heal hyself!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:54 | 2635706 LawsofPhysics
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Samy clearly had some training.  Like any other tool of man. Knowing how to correctly use it is key. Some punks want to commit a crime with a gun and you go after the guy with a low caliber weapon who is trained how to use it and actually defends himself and the others in the cafe?  yes he had a low caliber weapon that when used correctly would knock an assilent down but not kill. Troll harder douchebag.

fuckers like you seem to think that there shouldn't be any consequences for bad behavior.  Go fuck yourself.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:36 | 2636027 Overfed
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Well in that case, fork over your $$. Douche.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:40 | 2636329 A Nanny Moose
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Otherwise, we should allow people to get away with theft, and coercion? Just because govt does it every day, does not make it right. In the end, nobody died....probably because someone stood up to these thugs.

The thugs in question threatened someone with a gun. At that moment, their expiration date was rightfully stamped "now."


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:55 | 2635810 JimBowie1958
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Dude, you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

A guy with a knife out at 15 feet or less is far deadlier than a guy with a gun. The bullets may or may not kill you, and the guy shooting may or may not hit a lethal location, but a guy with a knife can easily open up your abdomen and spill your guts on the floor like a busted sack of raw meat.

Killing a person at arms reach is much easier with a knife than a gun.

People that freak out on guns all the time are simpletons that watch too much Hollyweird bullshit.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:49 | 2636094 Diet Coke and F...
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Thank you... Very true.

IMHO the MSM creates copycat crimes...

MSM. About as useful as a sneeze in a spacesuit.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:54 | 2636112 zapdude
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Absolutely - edged weapons at close range are more deadly than most firearms, especially if you know what you're doing. 

That's why I have both.  A 9MM lead shot makes a ~marble-sized hole a few inches deep.  An 20" short sword can be thrust all the way up to the hilt.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:23 | 2636523 blunderdog
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So what percentage of the time would you prefer to be packing a knife than a gun? 

The vast majority of violent crimes are committed at close range--so by your logic, a knife is a far superior self-defense weapon than a sidearm.

Let's lighten up on the hyperbole, maybe.  Just a bit.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 09:53 | 2648955 JimBowie1958
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I carry my gun about 60% of the time out in public.

I have a custom made knife with me 100% of the time. It has a blade that is like an elongated skinner with a gutting bulge to the end half of the blade. It is made of S30V stainless steel and sharpened to a 15% angle.

Depending on the circumstances I may prefer one to the all depends.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:51 | 2636101 ScotlandTheBrave
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Huffingting Post wants their lapdog back.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:05 | 2635516 purplefrog
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You are SO predictable.  What an ultramaroon!  Your version of sensible gun control would be to confiscate all guns.  When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.  Take a look at Mexico you douchebag.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:12 | 2635545 bobnoxy
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I already said I own guns. So you obviously are talking through your emotional ass. We already have gun control here. I had to sign a long form whenever I bought one, saying I wasn't dishonorably discharged, wasn't a felon, was a citizen.

What I'm saying, that you can't grasp intellectually, is that too many of th wrong people get them and use them against good people, like 12 innocent people trying to watch a fucking movie and minding their own business.

You are just too fucking stupid.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:36 | 2635702 KK Tipton
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"Take a look at Mexico you douchebag."

Yup. Never live in a place that bans guns.

El Paso, Texas....few gun killings....meanwhile just across the border:

Homicide statistics for Cd. Juarez » El Paso News Organization -

Year     Execution   Murder/Assault
2007     134             2
2008     1,300         32
2009     2,204         26
2010     2,661           77
Data source: Mexican federal government

BBC News - Ciudad Juarez's drug war death toll hits 3,000 -

"More than 30,000 people have died across Mexico since President Felipe Calderon launched an offensive against the drug cartels in 2006."

Ban guns...massive death follows.



Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:44 | 2635748 sickofthepunx
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quit cherry picking.


you can't own guns in the UK Singapore and Hong Kong either and they have the lowest homicide rates in the world.

the reason mexicans are falling all over themselves to kill each other is they want that mighty dollar that flows from provided drugs to the depraved society to the north.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:09 | 2635896 LawsofPhysics
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Talk about cherry picking.  Troll harder.

FYI- in the U.K. they actually enforce the fucking laws on the books.  They should try that in the U.S.S.A. for a fucking change it would solve the mexican problem over night.  Stupid fucking sheep and lack of any real fucking leadership plaugues the U.S.S.A.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:11 | 2635911 Spastica Rex
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What if none of this is really about guns - one way or the other? Nah, stupid idea; best to stay on either side of the the gun line and throw stones at one another.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:29 | 2635955 KK Tipton
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If decent Mexicans had owned guns all along, there would be no massive death toll.

Just like the US. Big drug problems...but no huge death toll numbers from systematic organized killings.
Privately owned guns prevent wars.

El Paso is fine. Mexican cousins loaded up with many guns. Texas, remember?
Few killings.

Freedom is not perfect. Gun killings will happen.
Humans have been taking the good with the bad for millennia.
What about the standing army problem in every country?
Why so sensitive now?

UK, Singapore, Hong Kong? Big Brother lifestyle. No population.

7 million in Hong Kong? Puleeze.

Communists (and other related scum) save up the anger and kill everybody in *big* batches periodically.
Be like them? Fuck that.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2636353 TBT or not TBT
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What you said!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:29 | 2636553 blunderdog
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    If decent Mexicans had owned guns all along, there would be no massive death toll.

Oh, that's just bullshit.  Why is it that so many of the gun arguments get so silly?  I'm opposed to any additional gun control too, but it's just incredible how much stupid shit you see posted on the subject.  FROM BOTH SIDES.

Reality check, Mexico: drug cartels are fucking GOVERNMENTS with ARMIES at their disposal.  They can afford to be

Campesinos don't stand a fucking chance against well-financed criminal cartel security forces, just like the homies in the projects don't stand a fucking chance against a SWAT team.

There's no one big simple explanation for every aspect of human injustice. 

Tue, 07/24/2012 - 09:50 | 2645245 JimBowie1958
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The arguments arent silly, its just that you are too fucking stupid to understand them because you dont seem to recognise the difference between good guys and bad guys. To you everyone is a fucking bad guy, so no one should have guns. People like you make me sick to my godamned stomach.

Drug cartels are  not governments you fucking moron and if the average little guy in Mexico could CC the drug dealing bastards wouldnt be so confident that they could grab them and kill them with impugnity.

If the Mexican government would arm the law abiding population there (or just let them arm themselvs with cheap guns) and put out 'wanted dead or alive' bounties on the drug dealers and open the borders for Texans to come over and help, the cartels would be broken in less than two months.

But the Mexican government does not want to fix the problem as they make far too much money off it from US contributions and skimmed budgets. Plus scared sheep will be far more likely to give up and simply give more power to the government in the hope that by some miracle they can finally fix things, I guess by passing laws and issuing fines on these criminal syndicates.

What a fucking sad joke. Statists like you Blunderbutt are the real reason hundreds of millions of people were slaughtered like sheep in the 20th century. It is heart warming to see the influence of idiots like you finally go into remission.

Mon, 07/23/2012 - 07:34 | 2641864 e-recep
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hiroshima and nagazaki come to mind, oh iraq 2003 as well.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:52 | 2636368 TBT or not TBT
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In the UK they have terrible rates of property crime, and more than 50% of home invasions occur when the residents are home, because criminals and victims know the government will jail them for defending themselves, nevermind their stuff.     In the US, well most of the US, the figures are south of 10%, and lowest where the law won't even detain you for airing out a home invader inside your house.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:54 | 2636347 HardAssets
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All this discussion is mildly interesting but some people are missing the forest for the trees. Look at various international programs and documents (particularly out of the U.N.). 'Gun control' is really about the monopoly of violence by the state. An armed populace is much more difficult to enslave, so they are using propaganda to try to disarm citizens. The American Founders were well aware that the 2nd Amendment was necessary - "When the government fears the people, there is Liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny" - Thomas Jefferson

Such reality that the American Founders experienced & knew had become unpopular to discuss over the years. So p.c. talk about deer hunting, crime, and 'gun' violence was brought up instead. It was unimaginable to Americans that they would be subjected to a tyrannical government - their heads were in the clouds. Well in a land where its all becoming all too obvious - - - cameras at every intersection, NDAA authorization for imprisonment or murder of citizens, naked body scans & abuse, drones to fill the skies . . . . the unimaginable is here.

Its sad when people are victims of some (likely psychological drug taking) murderer. But this must be put in perspective - - yes, this gets our attention. But many more people will die in traffic accidents today. - - - If you want to see violence on a massive scale (as in other times/places in world history) allow yourselves to be disarmed and let loose the criminal tyrants on a naive, defenseless people.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:12 | 2635548 Freewheelin Franklin
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Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:26 | 2635639 Cheater5
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Clearly, the lax gun laws supported by right wing hillbillies are a major factor contributing to the rise of gun crime.

Why would you assume that?  Most, if not all, of these shootings occured in situations where guns were heavily regulated if not banned.   Additionally, in almost all of the situation listed above (I'm not sure about Nepal or the brokerage incident), civilians did not have the right to carry defensive firearms (note: although we have a CCW law here in Colorado, the theater chain in question prohibits carrying on their property).  Honestly, I think you are suffering from a logical fallicy or wishfull thinging here.  Let's change the prohibited product to drugs.  Do laws prohibiting drugs prevent them from being obtained illegally or easily smuggled over borders?  

If you were to pull anything from the data points listed above, I would suggest that the appropriate hypothosis is that "succsesful" mass shooting tend to occur where the populace is disarmed.  If you want statistics to back this up go read John Lott's book.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:47 | 2635740 KK Tipton
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"successful" mass shooting tend to occur where the populace is disarmed."


Norway. 69 dead in a single incident.

Mexico. Not a mass shooting but....3,000 dead in one year.
30,000 dead in just a few years.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:55 | 2635811 LawsofPhysics
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and how many killed by other means?  How about vehicle deaths?  Yeah, let's outlaw everything that has the potential to be used as a weapon.  That will fix it.  Stupid fucking sheep.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:03 | 2635853 AnAnonymous
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Well, well...

And in those body counts, how many were killed by a person intented on killing them?

The intent. US citizenism has so cornered US citizens they can no longer distinguish between incidental and intentional.

The day US citizens pick up a different means to kill when given the opportunity of using a tool designed to kill, well, they might have a point.

Up to that day, guns are designed and optimized to kill. Cars, butter knifes etc are not.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:05 | 2635874 LawsofPhysics
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You are an idiot.  Try to address the issue of independent reasponsibility  instead of spouting nonsense like a good chinese citizenism.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:09 | 2636433 HardAssets
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Do you know if he's out of China ?  He's always spouting off about (sometimes justified) American shortcomings. But will never say what country he's from - - Apparently the human beings in his country are complete angels and their government is infinitely kind & wise & just. But he won't answer where this earthly Paradise is located. And never offers solutions to enlighten us.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:17 | 2635939 Foul Harold
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This comes from the culture which derives its entertainment by watching interviews of inmates directly before their state sponsored executions.


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:37 | 2636032 KK Tipton
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The US has a large, free thinking and individually responsible population.
We handle it just fine. The federal "government" problem is an anomaly that needs to be fixed.

China treats it's people worse than cattle. Maybe it has to?
They must be nasty, brutish, despicable humans.

Let the Chinese have full US style freedom in *every way* and see how they handle it.

My guess is that it would destroy them.


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:04 | 2636166 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Hypocritical AnAnonymous displayed his eternal nature:

The intent. US citizenism has so cornered US citizens they can no longer distinguish between incidental and intentional.

Made me laugh. Such extreme hypocricy, even from you.

So tell us, since you never distinguish between incidental and intentional, are you also a US citizen cornered by US citizenism?

The answer will be quite telling, if you provide one.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:13 | 2660344 MeelionDollerBogus
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oh these americans, so buy citizening and gunning and means and ways.

With intending and means and guns and Americansismsmsm I fear greatly for the citizenisming that is upon us.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:23 | 2635965 Cheater5
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Are you disagreeing with me?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:47 | 2636350 TBT or not TBT
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(note: although we have a CCW law here in Colorado, the theater chain in question prohibits carrying on their property).

This ought to be the key political point here.    In TX I carried everywhere it was legal to, including one or two theaters whose not quite correctly posted signage prohibited it. 

Mass shooters like this, armor or not, make a lesser body count when they are being shot back at by trained individuals close at hand.   Generally, these nutters go to places where people are disarmed by law, Constitution Free, or Free Fire Zones might be good names for them, where the natural right, acknowledged by the Constitution to BEAR arms is constantly abridged.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:30 | 2636551 HardAssets
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The business may have their rights, but I won't visit them if they are so posted.

If one happens (by oversight) to be on their property legally carrying concealed - they have the right to ask

you to leave, and that is all - - - at least where I'm at.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:00 | 2636692 Offthebeach
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What's Chicago yearly rate running, 1,000+/yr? Aurora every four days. Ditto NYNY, NOleans, .....hundred other urban Paradise welfare production centers.

Sun, 07/29/2012 - 12:09 | 2660339 MeelionDollerBogus
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You're right - the rise in gang and gun murders by police officer gangs is way up and until we can regulate away any power for any officer to have a gun, this crime-spree by police-mafia will only continue.

A sensible left-wing approach should ensure that all officers are disarmed and that they go through Pink Therapy(tm) to ensure they can gradually transition out of their gorilla-hood back to humanity - carrying pink foam nerf guns every day until they stop reaching for their guns to start a conversation... with Libertarians exhaling excess CO2 and silly notions of "freedom" and treasonous phrases like "hard currency"


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:28 | 2635350 Gully Foyle
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Uh dude

Analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kind of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents.[1]

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:00 | 2635497 Enceladus
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I blame ZH it was that god damned Money Market piece last night. I almost went out last night too! sarc/

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:39 | 2636328 TBT or not TBT
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Was he short the Euro?   That has been a painfully slow way to get returns, too slow if he was leveraged short.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:53 | 2635457 Stuck on Zero
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Doctors kill 100,000 a year by bad prescriptions, surgery errors, accidents, and incompetence.  That number for iatrogenic deaths is probably a low figure because it was arrived at by the medical profession itself.  That should put things in perspective: a million highly-trained doctors wielding the tools of modern medicine kill 100,000 whereas 200 million zombie gun owners kill only a thousand or so. 


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:41 | 2635727 Zymurguy
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People dont' kill people, doctors kill people!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:38 | 2636317 TBT or not TBT
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Correct prescriptions and stupid dietary advice from the USDA kill far more than this, I mean "prematurely kill" of course.   We're all going to get the chop at some point.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:56 | 2635471 MillionDollarBoner_
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Directly correlated to the percentage of the population on Zero Hedge ;o)

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:21 | 2635956 XitSam
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Do you have any evidence that this correlation is not a coincidence?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:27 | 2636490 Randall Cabot
Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:26 | 2635341 Gully Foyle
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Blah, blah, blafuckingah.

If someone wants to kills you weapon doesn't matter.

A series of uncoordinated mass stabbings, hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the People's Republic of China began in March 2010. The spate of attacks left at least 21 dead and some 90 injured. Analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kind of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents.[1]

Three mass stabbings of children in a month. What the hell is going on in China?

Arrest in Tokyo Mass Stabbing

SelectPlusArrest in Tokyo Mass StabbingArrest in Tokyo Mass StabbingThe Associated PressPolice said a man on a murder mission plowed into pedestrians with a truck in a crowded Tokyo neighborhood Sunday and then stabbed 17 people in three minutes, killing at least seven in a grisly attack that shocked Japan. (June 8)Police in Tokyo say at least seven people are dead and ten are injured following a stabbing rampage in a popular electronics district. Police say a man rammed a truck into a crowd of shoppers. They say he jumped out of the rented truck, began stabbing people that he'd knocked down, then turned his attention to horrified bystanders. 17 people were stabbed in just three minutes.(nats man in Japanese)One witness says he saw the man and thought he was just pushing people as he ran. Witnesses say he screamed as he attacked people.Police arrested 25-year-old Tomohiro Kato--who had blood on his face. A witness says he dropped the knife when police pointed a gun at him. Officials say Kato told police that he was tired of life and sick of everything. They say he told investigators that he intended to kill people.The attack happened at lunchtime in a crowded district where electronics and games are sold. It also fell on the seventh anniversary of another mass stabbing.At least 17 ambulances rushed to the scene to tend to the victims. Once rare, stabbing attacks have become more frequent in Japan in recent years as violent crime has increased

At 10:15 that morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other children and two teachers

Spree killer

( A fucking lot of history was missed by the ZH OP good read)

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:47 | 2635436 AnAnonymous
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US citizenism is spreading in China...

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:58 | 2635488 MillionDollarBoner_
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< AnAnonymous is a great guy and we all want to hear more

< AnAnonymous is an Ass-Hat and should have been drowned at birth

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:57 | 2635815 AnAnonymous
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Twelve people supporting my US citizen right to life...

Option one has collected 6 answers and option 2 has collected minus 6 (then opposition).

Aint life good in a US citizen world?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:43 | 2636056 KK Tipton
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That's full on human freedom for ya!


Could *you* handle it?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:10 | 2636188 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous gloated:

Aint life good in a US citizen world?

You should celebrate with a dinner of yak weenis in umbilical cord broth and a side of babyfingers in ginger sauce.

Fetching cuisine of Chinese citizenism deliciousing abundantly.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:18 | 2636496 HardAssets
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You know 'us' versus 'them' is a method the psychopath controllers use to manipulate us who they all rob, don't you ? I've been to China, spent time with people there (including sharing some great meals) and enjoyed their company immensely. IMO most people get along fine if given the chance.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:30 | 2636839 XitSam
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If Zero Hedge was a democracy, you'd be dead already.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:26 | 2635982 TPTB_r_TBTF
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<  > AnAnonymous is my favorite troll

< X > AnAnonymous is my second favorite troll

< > AnAnonymous is my third favorite troll

< > AnAnonymous is nowhere near my favorite troll

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:14 | 2636464 HardAssets
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Hmmm - - - he's an asshat, but I don't think infants should be drowned at birth so I have to pass on this particular vote.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:41 | 2636045 KK Tipton
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"US citizenism is spreading in China..."


Hardly. They couldn't handle it and survive.

Pathetic sub humans that need a totalitarian government ruling them with the barrel of a gun 24/7.
They would murder millions of their citizens if the whim struck them.


I do like General Tso's Chicken though!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:14 | 2636209 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I do like General Tso's Chicken though!

Ah, that is US citizenized version. Authentic fetching cuisine of Chinese citizenism original dish is actually General Chicken's Toes. Tastingful muchly when stir fried with bulldog tongues in plum sauce.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:47 | 2636088 Overfed
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Chinese citizenism is spreading in USA.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:45 | 2636073 KK Tipton
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"If someone wants to kills you weapon doesn't matter."


In Toronto, Canadians try to cut dicks off with broken wine bottles.

True story!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:38 | 2635712 gdogus erectus
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Correct. It's about the only false flag they seem to be able to pull off these days. They also needed to counter the viral video of the old guy shooting and defending against two armed robbers. Can't let the masses get all excited about that!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:35 | 2636308 TBT or not TBT
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Oh their have been bigger mass shootings that these, perpetrated by government employees against defenseless(disarmed by law) subjects of those governments.    Kristallnacht was just a little warm up for the Nazis.   And don't even begin with examples from the turd world.   Countless.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:14 | 2636760 HardAssets
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Yep - - as probably most ZHers know - govt was the biggest mass murderer of people in the last century. Couple hundred million, not counting those in war. The psychopaths eventually seem to reach the top in government.


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 14:03 | 2637004 jonan
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i'm will to bet (call with a p=1 strike) that he was on antidepressants...

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:15 | 2635305 brewing
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the horror... the horror...

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:33 | 2635373 sessinpo
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charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets in the Indy 500.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:16 | 2635309 Stoploss
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"They" can try..

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:27 | 2635312 Robot Traders Mom
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Not a time for my 'smart' comments.


Sad for everyone involved.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:23 | 2635968 Spastica Rex
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That was just stupid.


But seriously: +1

The sheep stay divided.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:19 | 2635314 BLOTTO
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Also Tyler, just this week in Toronto, Canada


July, 16, 2012

2 Dead, 24 injured during a shooting at a bloc party.


very sad.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:19 | 2635318 pepperspray
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Breivik 1-year anniversary is Sunday. The year flew by.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:20 | 2635319 ShortTheUS
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It's cool. The next celebrity marriage/divorce will make us numb to these realities once again. Blank faces. Calm as hindu cows.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:21 | 2635325 eurusdog
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Wow, I thought this was mostly a US thing. But it appears it is not. Another eye opener from ZH.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:36 | 2635394 sessinpo
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Want another eye opener? Don't watch the news on TV anymore. Find a few newsights or websites that link newstories like Drudge and research your own news through them. You'l be amazed at what is not reported and what is twisted (spun left or right).

I now keep my TV watching down to about 1 hour a week.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:42 | 2635741 Zymurguy
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I shot my TV.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:26 | 2636254 Tuco Benedicto ...
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I must inform you that if a minority appeared on the TV screen at the time of the shooting this would be classified as a "hate crime".  Shame on you!!!!!!!!


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:22 | 2635329 Ol Man
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1927 -- US: Bath, Michigan School Disaster. Andrew Kehoe, seeking revenge against the community for taxes imposed on his farm to pay for a new school, set off a TNT bomb in the school, killing 43 people, including 39 grade-school children.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:24 | 2635334 superbroker1
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I hope the kardashians were in the crowd.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:28 | 2635352 francis_sawyer
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If that were the case, their asses would blocked all the bullets from hitting anyone...

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:34 | 2636865 XitSam
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Bulletproof Ass ... say that sounds like it could be a movie.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:26 | 2635342 Itch
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Guns dont kill people, monkeys do.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:17 | 2635571 krispkritter
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What the fuck is that supposed to mean Jock?!?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:41 | 2635700 fuu
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Ape, please.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:37 | 2635708 GMadScientist
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Monkeys with guns!

(don't mind the heathens that missed the Izzard reference, dey jus ignant)

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:26 | 2635343 EmileLargo
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What about all the shootings every day in Compton or inner city Chicago? I think one tends to "notice" the shootings more when middle class people get killed. But shooting and killing is almost an every day feature of life in places like Detroit, Atlanta, Chiacgo, Los Angeles and Miami.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:45 | 2635426 Chump
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I also think it has to do with the body count per incident.  If one shooting in Compton had 60+ victims you can bet it would be a huge story as well.  People can stomach gangbangers killing each other 2 or 3 at a time.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:22 | 2635603 Bob
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The media coverage would be similar.  But think about the pubic response off camera.  I suspect there would be a very real difference. 

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:50 | 2635438 Hype Alert
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You'll hear about it when the media can up their ratings or meet their agenda.  Case in point: Ever hear of the Zimmerman/Treyvon shooting? 

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:14 | 2635560 EmileLargo
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Yes I have been following that story and the media's very visible agenda. The American media is really nasty in situations like that.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:41 | 2635729 buchesky
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And Compton and Chicago have the most restrictive gun laws.  How's that working out for you?

Sat, 07/21/2012 - 09:22 | 2638606 DanDaley
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The irony being that Chicago and some of those other places have insanely strict gun laws. Maybe morality (or a lack thereof) does have something to do with it.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:27 | 2635345 Coldsun
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November 5, 2009 - United States Nidal Malik Hasan, an American Muslim of Palestinian descent and a U.S. Army Major serving as a psychiatrist, killed 13 people and wounded 29 others at Fort Hood military base near Killeen, Texas.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 11:07 | 2636177 TrainWreck1
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Obama: "That could have been my psychiatrist"

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