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Massive $17 Trillion Hole Found In Obamacare

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Two years ago, when introducing then promptly enacting Obamacare, the president stated that healthcare law reform would not cost a penny over $1 trillion ($900 billion to be precise), and that it would not add ‘one dime’ to the debt. It appears that this estimate may have been slightly optimistic… by a factor of 1700%. Because coincident with the recent Supreme Court debacle, in which a constitutional law president may be about to find that his magnum opus law is, in fact, unconstitutional, someone actually read the whole thing cover to cover, instead of merely relying on the CBO’s, pardon Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs’, funding estimates. That someone is Republican Jeff Sessions who after actually running the numbers has uncovered that the true long-term funding gap is a mind-boggling $17 trillion, just a tad more than the original sub $1 trillion forecast. This latest revelation means that total underfunded US welfare liabilities: Medicare, Medicaid and social security now amount to $99 trillion! Add to this total US debt which in 2 months will be $16 trillion, and one can see why Japan, which is about to breach 1 quadrillion in total debt (yen, but who's counting), may want to start looking in the rearview mirror for up and comer competitors. And while Obama may have been taking creative license with a number that is greater than total US GDP, he was most certainly correct when saying that Obamacare would not add a penny to US debt. Because the second the US government comes to market to fund a true total debt/GDP ratio of 750%, it is game over, and the Fed will have its hands full selling Treasury puts every waking nanosecond to have any time left for the daily 3pm stock market ramp.

What is it that brought about this discovery of some inverse cash under the rug? The Daily Caller explains.

The hidden shortfall between new spending and new taxes was revealed just after Supreme Court justices grilled the law’s supporters about its compliance with the Constitution’s limits on government activity. If the court doesn’t strike down the law, it will force taxpayers find another $17 trillion to pay for the increased spending.


The $17 trillion in extra promises was revealed by an analysis of the law’s long-term requirements. The additional obligations, when combined with existing Medicare and Medicaid funding shortfalls, leaves taxpayers on the hook for an extra $82 trillion in health care obligations over the next 75 years.

Regular readers are well aware that when it comes to US insolvency, the underfunded American welfare state, whose obligations now amount to $100 trillion!, is the primary cause of this country's ultimate downfall. This latest revelation only makes it that much more certain, and likely, faster.

Currently, the Social Security system is $7 trillion in debt over the next 75 years, according to the Government Accountability Office.


Also, Medicare will eat up $38 trillion in future taxes, and Medicaid will consume another $2o trillion of the taxpayer’s wealth, according to estimates prepared by the actuarial office at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.


The short-term cost of the Obamacare law is $2.6 trillion, almost triple the $900 billion cost promised by Obama and his Democratic allies, said Sessions.


The extra $17 trillion gap was discovered by applying standard federal estimates and models to the law’s spending obligations, Sessions said.


For example, Session’s examination of the health care law’s “premium support” program shows a funding gap $12 billion wider that predicted.


The same review also showed the law added another $5 trillion in unfunded obligations for the Medicaid program.

Of course, that this "discovery" happened two years after the law was originally proposed and enacted merely once again confirms that other banana republics have nothing on the US, and that America continues to live in a state of sheer chaos when it comes to understanding that every use of funds must ultimately have a source as well.

Jeff Sessions' full presentation.

As a reminder this is what One trillion looks like.

...Now multiply by 17.


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Fri, 03/30/2012 - 22:55 | 2305498 lolmao500
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Galloway is back in the house.

George Galloway tweets ‘long live Palestine’ to supporters after landslide U.K. by-election victory

Also :

George Galloway Owns Nut-Job Neocon David Frum

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Report: Israel's Mossad scales back covert operations in Iran

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Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:07 | 2305542 ihedgemyhedges
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Funny thing TD.  The hole you describe was created by the most prevalent form of hole in DC: the ass kind...............

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:24 | 2305736 Oh regional Indian
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Actually, equally interesting is that Obamadon'tcare. It is masterful how they have worked out, to perfectiion it seems, how much of a lie they can tell and who is the best man to tell it.

Mind-blowing. Health care in America is the first oxymoron. Obamacare is the next.

Obamadontcare. Spread the meme. Obamadontcare.



Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:34 | 2305756 xavi1951
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Actually, equally interesting is that Obamadon'tcare. It is masterful how they have worked out, to perfectiion it seems.............


To all the rest of the maroons out there...............  "We will have to pass it to see what's in it.........."


I hope you are smart enough NOT to vote the FN that created this mess.  Fuckin Nitwhit............

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:47 | 2305773 Michael
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The escalation of a race war is just a mind fuck magic trick the Jew's perfected with the word "antisemitism" to get more tax money, power, and preferential legislative treatment for their group of people. It's the same victimization race card the Al Sharpton's and pink panther's of the world are trying to use with the T Martin case.

Don't let the mind fuck magic trick work on you!

You can see to what extent the Jewish people use the played out race card to stop any criticism of their group and use it to their advantage in this special documentary by an Israeli film maker;

Defamation (2009)

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 01:13 | 2305800 flacon
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Don't the Jesuits get any credibility in your book or are Jesuits also Jews?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 01:20 | 2305811 silverdragon
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Arabs are Semites so are they in on it as well?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 01:33 | 2305825 ElvisDog
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And what about the Bildeburgs, Hindenburgs, Free Masons, and Knights Templar. You definitely don't want to look past the Knights Templar. My son plays "Assassin's Creed" and the Knights Templar are always up to no good.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 05:28 | 2305956 putaipan
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freakin' bavarian british masonic jesuit zionist bastards!!

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:16 | 2306009 GetZeeGold
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I'm really glad to see everyone is remaining calm about this unforeseen turn of circumstances.


Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:43 | 2306027 smlbizman
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ya know...if 17trillion will save just one child...well ok, 2 ...than isnt it all worth while...

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:49 | 2306032 GetZeeGold
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I can't take it.....just take the blank check already.


Sat, 03/31/2012 - 08:28 | 2306064 Poor Grogman
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The Greeks are sheep

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 18:17 | 2306881 Michael
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Sat, 03/31/2012 - 18:17 | 2306882 Michael
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Sun, 04/01/2012 - 05:11 | 2307338 Michael
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Maybe we should just call it the "JSM", Jew Stream Media?

No,No. Their still pretty entertaining to watch on TV and in movies.

I remember the first favorite TV program I loved as a toddler was The Three Stooges.

In the entertainment industry they give us the best product. But their banking and monetary systems really suck.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 05:38 | 2305957 Ghordius
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"Knights Templar are always up to no good"

Someone should audit them, then inprison them for their misdeed, confiscate their assets and disband them.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 06:01 | 2305963 cossack55
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Good luck.  The Knights renamed themselves the Federal Reserve in 1913.  The Knights were also the first bankers and invented the SWIFT system.  The Holy Grail was actually the first ATM machine.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:45 | 2306029 Oh regional Indian
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"The Holy Grail was actually the first ATM machine."

Noice! :-)


Sun, 04/01/2012 - 08:46 | 2307453 DanDaley
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"Faith, Hope, Charity...but greater than all these is...banking!"

1492: Conquest of Paradise 

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 11:53 | 2306270 RafterManFMJ
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See, here's the thing - the PTB said quite clearly they were going to 

1. Add 23 million more people to the insured - people that now cannot or will not pay.

2. Save money.

OhhhK.  I can clearly see that happening.  But hey in a nation of morons, the man who promises gold from shit gets to be king for a few years.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 09:39 | 2306129 BandGap
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It really isn't hard to see that everything this president does, and everything his minions do, is meant to sow confusion to bring the system down. Obamagivesafuckcare is just a very large stone to go along with the pebbles he and his cohorts constantly add to the pile....

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 11:10 | 2306215 11b40
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Hey! I have a great idea! Let's replace it with Romneycare. Problem solved.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 11:48 | 2306261 tamboo
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take back your health! i havent been sick or paid for health insurance for years.

tons of remedies your croaker will never tell you about:


all docs are owned by big pharma. their pills only suppress symptoms, no cure means you pay for the pills until you die. their vaccines will poison you. why do they get so angry when folks refuse them?

Doctors "fire" patients who refuse vaccines for their children


Newborn Seized in Hospital by Police, Social Worker


no sickness = no profit       good nutrition = good health      insurance is a ponzi swindle (ie business model) like virtually everything else. artificial complexity is used to disguise the ripoff.

rife cracked the code to curing all diseases, the fda came down hard on him; how surprising.


Royal Rife and his Universal Microscope.


the jewish doctor is mandated by the talmud to sicken, defraud, and kill the nonjew.


Dr. Wu's Anti-Jew Medicine


Table of Contents from "The Jewish Religion


junk away!



Sun, 04/01/2012 - 02:21 | 2307298 Edelweiss
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  You are clearly a moron.  Yes, some aspects of western medicine are flawed.  Medications don't always have the desired effect, post surgical complications can occur, etc. Somehow (magic?) the longevity of Americans has increased significantly despite the fact that many of them smoke, drink, are more sedentary and eat shitty food.  Not that anything I  write can pierce that delusional bubble you appear to live in. 

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 14:25 | 2307872 Cathartes Aura
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actually, no.

Between 2000 and 2007, the researchers found, more than 80% of U.S. counties fell below the life-expectancy bar set by that group of leading nations, even though the U.S. spends more on health care per capita than any other country in the world.

Given the increasing life expectancy in countries like Canada and Australia, the widespread pattern of decline in the U.S. is "a huge surprise," says Christopher Murray, M.D., one of the study's coauthors and the director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, in Seattle.

maybe if you keep the stats "in house" - but globally, trailing.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 10:33 | 2307529 monoloco
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It's pretty sad that the only two healthcare plans that the congressional dipshits can come up with is one that allows insurance companies to gouge those who can afford their overpriced products without constraint, or one that forces everyone to be gouged by their overpriced product with minimal constraint.

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:09 | 2305550 LowProfile
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Demoted for threadjacking

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:24 | 2305590 lolmao500
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Not really threadjacking... just more information.

On the subject of this post, I bet democrats think that this report is made up and think that ``raise taxes on the rich`` will save the whole trainwreck.

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:40 | 2305631 CrazyCooter
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Ok, so if I am working class yahoo with job skills, can't we just skip to the 1 billion dollar bill so I can pay off my shit and fish for food while I work to stick my employer with insurance benefits?

All this waiting is killing me ...



Sat, 03/31/2012 - 09:58 | 2306147 Big Slick
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"Demoted for threadjacking"

But without threadjacking, my comments would be relegated to page 3 and the ash-heap of Zero-Hedge history.


Sun, 04/01/2012 - 00:58 | 2307267 AmericanFUPAcabra
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Naw. Check back in a week. Moderators delete all the shit talkers PDF linkery, trolls, those trolled, govt schills, and anything else that would deter someone from this website after reading comments.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 13:24 | 2307783 citta vritti
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Are you kidding? That must be the alternative universe's zero hedge, after the time line has ended

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 14:28 | 2307877 Cathartes Aura
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are you perhaps thinking of another site, a certain "metals report" that utilises the memory hole to keep up appearances?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 10:06 | 2306115 Benjamin Glutton
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More information is always appreciated.  Consider the absence of information in this story for example.


The extra 17 Trillion gap was discovered by applying standard federal estimates and models to the law’s spending obligations, Sessions said.

 For example, Session’s examination of the health care law’s “premium support” program shows a funding gap $12 billion wider that predicted.


How are we to evaluate such vague statements without at least a peek at the numbers and methods used to arrive at what are in the end simple math problems?

"was discovered by applying standard federal estimates and models"

Are we now to believe that politicians have standards beyond self enrichment? Both sides plan on printing approximately the same amount of cash in the future to support the supposedly unsustainable debt with only minor differences in allocation of directed tribute.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 10:10 | 2306163 steve from virginia
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The article lost me at the 'Jeff Sessions read the entire bill' part. Sessions doesn't know how to read.

Sessions does know how to collect bribes and payoffs so his place in American politics is secure, that God for that!

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 18:47 | 2306907 dirtbagger
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Hey this is from the Daily Caller, it has to be tru - where is your faith?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 19:45 | 2306962 LowProfile
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"not really threadjacking... just more information.

On the subject of this post, I bet democrats think that this report is made up and think that ``raise taxes on the rich`` will save the whole trainwreck."

A survey of down arrows says:  You're an idiot!

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 06:53 | 2305995 JoBob
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Lolmao500: still having problems understanding the concept of being off-topic, I see.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:23 | 2306015 Element
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zh re-defines off-topic.


How can you have any pudding if you don't eat you're meat?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 09:27 | 2306116 j0nx
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If you don't eat you're(you are) meat? That doesn't make any sense. Do you mean your meat? How can you have people take you seriously if you don't use correct grammar I think is what you meant to say...

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 09:53 | 2306143 Big Slick
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Thumbs down for not recognizing Floyd lyrics

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 10:29 | 2306170 11b40
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The 2 are mutually exclusive? Are you from the 'we don't need no education' society?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 23:11 | 2307172 FrankDrakman
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thumbs up to the OP for recognizing poorly transcribed Floyd lyrics.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 21:25 | 2307084 Element
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oh piss-off, do you seriously think I don't know the difference between your and you're?

Ever heard of 'typo' perchance?

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 06:33 | 2307380 nmewn
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Thumbs up on pointing out the ruthlessness with which the Spelling Commissar's practice their craft.

(Placing tongue firmly in cheek)...

I have no doubt the "need" for Spelling Commissar's had its beginnings in some obscure attachment to legislation that was passed by our best & brightest (in the dead of night, per usual) under the guise of being for the benefit of all.

But the end result always is, the observation of Spelling Commissar's popping up like weeds in the garden of human discourse. If they're not pulled up by the roots as they appear, the garden will decline to the point where the discussion only involves the appointment of yet another Commissar to oversee a garden of weeds ;-)

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:14 | 2305997 Element
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George Galloway Owns Nut-Job Neocon David Frum

So, David Frum is asserting the US is not really interested in war with Iran?

Oh really?

Hmmm ... let's see ... if planet earth applied such sanctions to Israel, as those the US is imposing on Iran, and is also strong-arming and FORCING the rest of the world to go-along with this extremely unwise and dangerous US-Israeli war incitement farce ... well ... I wonder if Israel would consider such sanctions, if imposed on Israel, a blatant act of outright war, and respond in a warlike way, towards such protracted and wilful US belligerence?

Yeah, they would have no doubt that what the USA is doing to Iran, and intending to keep on doing, is without any doubt a flagrant act of war incitement, designed to prompt and spark an inevitable and eventually necessary armed Iranian response, and create a spiral conflict, as the pretext to create a much wider regional war ... that may go fully global ... easily ... and quickly.

The US not really interested in a war with Iran ... Mister Frum?

A rope is far too good for the likes of you.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:16 | 2306007 i-dog
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I gave you an uptick, but note that that video was from about 3 years ago (while Shrub was still president).

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:30 | 2306019 Element
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Gah ... ! 


Sat, 03/31/2012 - 20:58 | 2307058 dougngen
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element, do you even know who this P.O.S. George Galloway is? he is a communist who supported the ussr and the Muslims! just google him and see. I don't support neo cons but communists are my enemy and always will be!! how did communism work out for the peace loving Mao and Lenin and Stalin? get serious dude and know the facts!!

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 08:14 | 2307423 Element
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Yes, I've been aware of Galloway and his positions on Iraq in particular for many years, and no I do not concur with his particular economic idealism or his religious bent, and why would I even care about his political biases or sympathy for the Soviet world view?

But when a man comes out with facts or salient truthful points, and is met with considered lies, obfuscation and misrepresentations by unpunished serial mass-murderers, who are still walking free and wish to do it all again, on an even more ruthless scale, then it's a problem -- for all of us.

We better stand against such slime--now.

Galloway stands for and by his own statements and views.

I just stand by the statements I myself make--if you don't mind?

I don't wish to be tarred by anyone else's brush, thanks, as you were doing above, where you seem to want to assert that I'm some sort of fucking closet commie, for agreeing with what Galloway has said in that video ... you sure you're interested in the facts?


And you had better not let the grammar-police catch you typing in that way.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 09:43 | 2306137 chubbar
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Looks like they are closing the gate as we speak. This from Jim Sinclair.

From a reliable source:

“Congress has included an item in the Highway Funding Bill S. 1813 – a provision that allows the IRS to order the State Department to revoke a US citizen’s passport if it is believed – not proven – that said taxpayer owes more than $50,000 in back taxes.”


Jim Sinclair’s Commentary

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 14:38 | 2307901 Cathartes Aura
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collection agency for the Fed - find out where their "authority" lies *cough* and act accordingly.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 00:06 | 2307230 boogerbently
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Rev. Al inviting his "brethren" to burn down their own neighborhoods again. LOL

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 22:55 | 2305499 Yen Cross
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                          {Air Force One} , Has been redesignated the { Millenium Falcon}!

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:01 | 2305524 Muddy1
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"Add to this total US debt which in 2 months will be $16 billion"  I think you mean TRILLION

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:08 | 2305549 Yen Cross
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 You are Free! Enjoy it while it lasts'.  My comment had ( 0) to do with the budget. \

    It was about the POtUS clown.

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 22:55 | 2305500 bugs_
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doctor theres a hole in my obamacare!

sorry sir the death panel has ruled that your obamacare hole isn't worth our time.

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 22:55 | 2305501 nmewn
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"Are you serious? Are you serious?"-Nana Pelosi

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 22:57 | 2305506 knukles
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We gotta pass it so we know what's in it.

Truer Evert Dirksonian words never spoken

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:20 | 2305579 nmewn
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We (more properly they) are discovering the difference between reality and hopium.

On a lighter note, after Barry's kids got back from Spring Break in Mexico, Michelle took them to Mt. Rushmore to pick out a spot for Barry...then off to play the craps tables or sumpin in Nevada.

I think this is number seventeen or eighteen on the vacations...I've lost count over these three short years.

It's good to be queen ;-)

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:30 | 2305608 wee-weed up
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Even better to be queen and tell the peasants what to eat! Marie Antionette anyone?

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:48 | 2305660 CrazyCooter
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Either the folks in power end up as "Kim Jong-un" or end up as "Him Dun Hung". I can't see much in between and its too close to call.

In the end, modern society requires at lot to maintain order; many layers of complexity. I mean, if things go to hell, who keeps the phone networks up, who farms so it can be barged so it can be processed so it can be on a shelf in a store. Without these things, its a catastrophic collapse.

So, its hangings or liberty without much in between. What will the productive class choose when the chips clearly go on the table ... I think the elite are fucked, but its going to be a rough ride.

Saddle up cowboys, for when we are done, your ass is gonna hurt, but you can afford a bender in town with some new dancin' boots! And, we can tell the stories, or not, when we are old, so the whole process is fertile again in a generation or two ...



P.S. Feeling particularly cynical tonight for some reason ...

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 01:33 | 2305822 oldman
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Sorry, cooter,

There is no 'productive class' in the US ofA and, the chips have been on the table since 2003.

The only thing to be proud of in the US of A are those kids and old fucks of Occupy. They are the last remnant of what I considered to be the United States, my country----that is now DEAD except for a remnant or two---and tonight I cannot think of the second.

Help me out, please-------------what else is left that we can call a piece of the myth that was the US of A?

Waiting for your response----show me what else there is left---I wanna be WRONG!            om

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 06:04 | 2305967 cossack55
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Sturm & Ruger up 572% since 11/07. 

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 00:04 | 2307228 boogerbently
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Ruger not accepting any more new orders this year....they're booked up!

What's that tell you?

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 14:49 | 2307921 Cathartes Aura
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amrkns still shopping?

dubya would be so proud.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 06:48 | 2305987 Nobody
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Well oldman,

I am not sure what "productive class" means, but this is my second weekend (along with the 5 days of the "work" week) that I am working to feed your fat ass.  I guess all of us farmers just punch a clock on our 9 to 5 shift and go fishing on our weekends.

Watch your mouth and open your eyes.  There are fools like us everywhere!

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 09:45 | 2306133 oldman
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i invited you here with your comment, so I have to be polite.

I come from more than three hundred and fifty years of farming the coast of Virgina and North Carolina, so I'm not impressed by your fourteen days of labor. 

I'm happy that you are a farm family and still alive, if this is the case; but if you are not a family farmer---fuck you nobody---sorry, I take that back, I said I would be polite.

How many hands do you have working all of those hours? Are they being paid an honest wage or are they-------------

You, ,know what Nobody?

Good for you --you're a great amerikan and your country is proud of you---we need you in the productive class even though there is none, in the US of A. We expeect your pre-payment for taxes, also as soon as you can send it. In fact, we need that money more than your labor---why not take the day off, fill out that form, and put it in the mail with a check? That's a good boy---you must have been an Eagle Scout!

Thanks, Nobody for you comment   it really helps to haver more than one's own idea of reality        om


Sat, 03/31/2012 - 10:32 | 2306176 BandGap
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Fuck both of you. Get back to work.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 12:00 | 2306282 oldman
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Thanks, dude

That brings me back to the real world                 om

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 14:25 | 2306560 Lednbrass
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What a cranky old hippie idiot asshole.

Youre so far gone that you cant even acknowledge the fundamental reality that taking a piece of ground where there is nothing and creating food from it is in fact highly productive by any measure, you are literally producing something from nothing. The fact that your ancestors actually did something productive has nothing to do with anything, I seriously doubt you have done anything of the sort.  While you may come from worthy stock, you have devolved into brain addled uselessness.

You never really made it back from that great batch of Windowpane back in '75, did you?

Glad youre gone, please take any descendants with you as the gene pool here is cholorinated too heavily as it is.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 17:17 | 2306622 oldman
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Thanks leadnass

But, 'I'm already gone'-----your comment is almost as interesting as 'love it or leave it'.

Farmers work part of the year very hard and long hours---family farmers. Corporate farmers do nothing without being overly paid for their work-----though not their employees.

Who could possibly be complaining about having work in this country at this time?

Get with the real world and forget your red, white, and blue conditioning----you are still a human being and adaptable---you have a chance to change and be a part of something besides the 'walking dead'---you can support Occupy as an example----or you can work, pay your taxes, vote for president, and tell oldmen to fuck off------

Not my problem, pal---the choice to live is all yours

I wish you well                   om

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 02:16 | 2307281 Lednbrass
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It has nothing to do with conditioning or lack thereof, your contention that farming isnt productive is the issue here. It is inherently one of the most productive things a human being can do, and very close to producing something from nothing. Feel free to try it sometime- find a piece of land that is overgrown with weeds and trees, clear it, and produce food from it. Its alot work. Im only a small farmers market grower myself, but your premise that farmers arent a truly productive class is obnoxious and silly.

You went off on some rant on corporatism based on nothing but shadows in your own head. You vomited a script, you did not think. Did he say anything about corporate farming? Conditioning indeed oldman.

Support Occupy? Hell no. I want nothing to do with a bunch of spoiled urban idiots who lack even the dimmest comprehension of whats going on and think that by further empowering government we will somehow rein in an out of control financial sector; its a ludicrous premise akin to thinking that you can kill one head of a hydra by feeding another. I want the power, reach, and scope of the Federal monstrosity in this country reduced- that bunch wants to strenghten it further. No common ground there whatsoever, they are either completely naive or painfully stupid and will do nothing but further entrench what they theoretically oppose.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 03:48 | 2307319 OldPhart
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You've got to forgive them.  They're undereducated by their trillion dollar student loans.

Perhaps they'll come around once they run out of the forebearance period and Uncle Sugar places liens on bank accounts, wages and grandma's birthday check.

We may be witnessing the birth pangs of a whole new class of true anti-government soldiers.  On the plus side, there's a shitload more of them than there are military and police.  On the negative side, each will have to be carefully taught which end of the rifle points where.

I note that the high incidence of TIDE detergent being pilfered has another positive.  Mix that shit with gasoline and you have some pretty effective home-made napalm. 

We may have hope.


Sun, 04/01/2012 - 14:54 | 2307931 Cathartes Aura
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ahhhh.  thanks for solving that riddle for me - I've seen more than a handful of stories mentioning that detergent lately, and wondered "why?"

we'll see. . .

Thu, 04/05/2012 - 23:28 | 2321253 CrazyCooter
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I tend to troll my old comments. Not that I like to be late to the discussion, but ZH isn't my life. I like to see the thought process people engage in after the fact. One aspect of learning.

I want to thank the farmers upthread. My first hunting experience, that brought game home for me personally (we mostly fished - we had a pretty elaborate trot line set up) was in Iowa pheasant hunting. I had proper gun ettiquette and I was scared to shoot in any direction for any reason. I passed, passed, and passed again because I wasn't 100% confident. I was always thinking, where is X, where is Y, where can I shoot. I was barely a teen. At the end of the trip, litterally on the last walk of a slew, I had the confidence, I knew were everyone was, and I just nailed a pheasant out of the gate. Short walk to the bird.

I will never forget, having never been to Iowa before or after, the nature of the folks, how we were treated, and their general demeanor.

I think a lot of folks dont realize what its like to heat home on labor (i.e. cutting your own wood). They don't procure their own energy. They don't pump their own water. Septic is the exception, where many handle their own waste. They do not grow their own food (even a garden). Our nation is awash in folks that think a flushing shitter is a national right because they grew up with it.

I live in Alaska now, because I think too much and I am crazy like that. I wish I did it ten years ago. Anyone that loves my posts, look real hard at work in AK. Pack and move up. Anchorage is not where you want to live. If you can nail down anything else, do it.

I talk with my old man a lot (NW AR) and he put up a garden for me this year, over the septic tank. Lady from FL moved in down the hill, puts out 100lbs of deer corn a month because she likes the show with her coffee. Old man can't keep a garden for a few years now, the deer eat everything.

The septic drains behind a chain link fence in the back yard. I can't express my displeasure of moving up north and losing all my TX summer veggies. I was a whore at the famer's market, going once, twice a week for okra, tomatoes, etc. He is going to post me veggies via the USPS (I told him the deer would jump the fence - he disagreed).

I will put out feelers, and save the link to the thread, for any chance that any farmer who trolls (or is willing to ask, find, and share) and posts back with advice. Constructive "old man" advice on how to best garden and/or ship produce via the mail to AK from AR.

Why? Tomatoes. I miss em. My god, I miss em. A good tomato, you smell it when you pick it. You smell it when you cut it. Tomatoes are flowers, they are fragrant. Not up here. I haven't had okra since I moved. I don't even want to rant at this point ...

I know this is a ZH forum where people piss at each other, but, if you check back, you farmer types, hook me up. I am my moniker at gee mail.



Sun, 04/01/2012 - 01:10 | 2307272 AmericanFUPAcabra
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Help me out, please-------------what else is left that we can call a piece of the myth that was the US of A?

Infrastructure soldier! This ol' ship needs about 10,000 new captains. And about 100,000 less Pvt's. 1 less you.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 09:59 | 2306153 Bobbyrib
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...or to tell them how good they have it when they call the Superdome their residence. Barbara Bush anyone?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 23:18 | 2307178 FrankDrakman
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Even better to be queen and tell the peasants what to eat!


Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:56 | 2305675 Schmuck Raker
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Were I the First Lady the girls would spend as much time outside DC as possible.

I begrudge Michelle 'nada' on that one.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:20 | 2305730 nmewn
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The optics are bad and have been for three years, but she keeps on doing it...she simply doesn't care what people think of it.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 03:10 | 2305897 Yen Cross
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 The optics are bad! Great comment nmewn()

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:27 | 2306017 GetZeeGold
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It's not just the optics......the sun was in our eyes and there was a definite crosswind. On top of that the dog ate our homework.


Given those parameters.........the results were obviously predictable.


Sat, 03/31/2012 - 09:12 | 2306096 Schmuck Raker
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Yes, "the optics are bad", but so what?


Three years ago Michelle was pretty firm that she wanted to keep her daughters out of the spotlight as much as possible.(kudos)

She doesn't really care that her hubby is Prez.(kudos)

While she is supportive of him she doesn't regard being first lady as a vocation.(kudos-Hillary did a bang-up job overhauling our healthcare system to give it to corporations on a silver platter when SHE was Co-POTUS)


Our national obsession with Optics over Substance is what allows TPTB to lead us around by our collective noses at election time; when BLS reports jobs; when SEC 'enforces'; when CONgress holds a hearing(not a 'listening' BTW); it's gently explained why anything and everything is TBTF(and/or Fixed); Etc....


Admittedly, I watch very little TV, so my views are probably somewhat skewed.

But that's just my Three Cents.


P.S. Hey Bernanke, FUCK YOU

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 09:30 | 2306120 Clinteastwood
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Three years ago Michelle was pretty firm..........

I don't remember that.  Do you have a citation?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 09:59 | 2306151 Schmuck Raker
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"That's no lady. That's my wife."

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 11:14 | 2306220 Bobbyrib
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"She doesn't really care that her hubby is Prez.(kudos)"

Yeah, she just casually enjoys all the perks that go with it. /sarcasm.

I can't believe there are still Obama supporters out there. He ran on a completely different platform than how he is running the country now. He is nothing like what he campaigned to be.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 11:36 | 2306247 Schmuck Raker
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I hope you aren't referring to me...

"I can't believe there are still Obama supporters out there. He ran on a completely different platform than how he is running the country now. He is nothing like what he campaigned to be." I agree completely.


All I can say, if you were, is that POTUS wasn't the subject of the comments.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 00:14 | 2307236 boogerbently
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"I'm sorry."


"I'm wrong."

Two things humans (especially liberals) can RARELY force themselves to say.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 14:58 | 2307937 Cathartes Aura
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ahh, but the conservatives, they're all the time sorry.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 12:03 | 2306289 NumberNone
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She can spend all the time she wants outside of DC but she should do it on Barry's dime, not the taxpayers. 

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:04 | 2305692 palmereldritch
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Yeah.  Thankfully they reserved a huge section of pumice there for Barry, George W., Slick Willy, George Sr., Nixon and LBJ


Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:22 | 2306013 Moe Howard
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Every time I see that Spawn of Satan Chewbaca and her droppings on tour; the theme song of the movie Vacation runs through my head:

It's a long way down the holiday road....

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 10:53 | 2306198 GeezerGeek
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Wasn't it her husband who said something to the effect that no one should be able to go to Las Vegas on the taxpayers' dime? So who's paying, Bil Maher? Alec Baldwin? CPUSA?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 01:25 | 2305808 SgtSchultz
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"Nancy can you please relay again your incredible story of how you got to this planet?"

37 second clip:  Nancy Pelosi says, "Quit your job we'll provide healthcare."

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 22:55 | 2305502 I think I need ...
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i cant wait for my obamacare otherwise known as take me out to the pasture and shoot me

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:00 | 2305520 Buckaroo Banzai
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Hitler called it "the final solution"
Mao called it "cultural revolution"
Pol Pot called it "re-education"
Obama calls it "healthcare reform"

See a trend there?

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:12 | 2305562 ihedgemyhedges
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Yes, the first 3 ended in "tion".  The trend is now broken........

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:18 | 2305580 Ahmeexnal
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the vatican has been behind all those events.
they are just variations on the same old theme: "jesus loves you, you MUST love him too"

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:04 | 2305698 Schmuck Raker
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I know, right?!

And the Vatican tooOOOootally encouraged priests to molest as many young boys as possible. Uh-huh, uh-huh...

And you know, of course, who runs the Vatican? Joooooooooooz!

Ohmigod! I am so sure.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:12 | 2305714 i-dog
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It's good to see that you are waking up to the reality of the Luciferian tag team.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 05:42 | 2305958 Oh regional Indian
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Pedophile Priests are Sodomites. Thus Sodomy.

Sodom and Gonorreah that is.


Sat, 03/31/2012 - 10:30 | 2306171 AssFire
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Are you talkin about Ghandi?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 12:18 | 2306335 tamboo
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Speaking as a former high ranking official of the American Communist Party, Mrs. Dodd said: "In the 1930s we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within." The idea was for these men to be ordained and progress to positions of influence and authority as Monsignors and Bishops. A dozen years before Vatican II she stated that: "Right now they are in the highest places in the Church" — where they were working to bring about change in order to weaken the Church's effectiveness against Communism. She also said that these changes would be so drastic that "you will not recognise the Catholic Church."



"Prophecy" of Bella Dodd - Fatima Perspectives


Sun, 04/01/2012 - 08:24 | 2306002 Disenchanted
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SchmuckRaker said:


And you know, of course, who runs the Vatican? Joooooooooooz!

Ohmigod! I am so sure.



the Pope's bank - Sherman Skolnick's Report




one of the titles of the Rothschilds, according to author F. Tupper Saussy,
is “Guardians of the Vatican Treasury”. Some folks would argue that the Rothschilds should be labeled
as “Court Jews” of Jesuit-controlled Papal Rome, i.e., “Papal Court Jews”.


F. Tupper Saussy, on page 160 of his book “Rulers of Evil: Useful Knowledge about Governing
Bodies” (First HarperCollins Edition, 2001), tells us: “Aware that the Rothschilds are an important
Jewish family, I looked them up in [Ed.: the] Encyclopedia Judaica and discovered that they bear the title
‘Guardians of the Vatican Treasury’… The appointment of Rothschild gave the Black Papacy [Ed.: i.e.,
the hierarchical leadership of the Jesuit Order] absolute financial privacy and secrecy. Who would ever
search a family of orthodox Jews for the key to the wealth of the Roman Catholic Church?”


If one gains control of any entities' money does one run the place? Evidence points to the answer being yes...


Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:06 | 2305701 CrazyCooter
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I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to find a quote from Napoleon in a Durant book. Pisses me off that I can't, but he had some choice words about religion and its usefulness in leading the masses.

Perhaps another can cite it or an equivalent.

Otherwise, if you do not own a set of Will Durant "The Story of Civilization" you are missing out (assuming you like to read real spicy history). It is out of print for a reason. It is worth what you must pay for a set at a book dealer. Try just one of the older books in the series if you don't believe me.



Sat, 03/31/2012 - 06:22 | 2305965 frenzic
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Might seem fishy but hey if it is not available something has to be done.  knowledge is power to all.



a litte clarification

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 16:01 | 2306080 Golden monkey
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French-Press morning news : "La Chine a annoncé samedi d'importantes restrictions d'utilisation des microblogs, la fermeture de plusieurs sites internet et l'arrestation de personnes accusées d'être à l'origine de "rumeurs" de coup d'Etat à Pékin."

China on Saturday announced major restrictions on use of microblogging, the closure of several websites and arrests of people accused of being responsible for rumors coup in Beijing.

Tagged with : Motherfuckers, Tyranny


Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:53 | 2305667 Seditious Blasphemer
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***Health Care REFORMATION....

There, fixed it.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 09:40 | 2306130 Silver Alert
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Deleted since someone else already said it.

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 13:34 | 2307809 citta vritti
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great minds think alike

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:06 | 2305673 wee-weed up
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@I think I need ...

How much ya wanna bet the same Lib Obama supporter who junked me, junked you too!

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:42 | 2305770 wee-weed up
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True to form! He did it again! Ha!

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 15:06 | 2307948 Cathartes Aura
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I downvoted you because you're still playing ping pong in yer mind, which serves the overlords agenda just swell.

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 22:55 | 2305503 jomama
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the music plays until it stops, bitchez!

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 22:56 | 2305505 Buckaroo Banzai
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Holy shit! Obama lied?

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:08 | 2305547 Buckaroo Banzai
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<---- Obama is a Marxist sack of shit

<---- Obama actually is the Antichrist

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:11 | 2305557 palmereldritch
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Duh. Trick question.  I can't vote for both.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:00 | 2305679 Vic Vinegar
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Greenie for you.  I went with Buckaroo's green option, FWIW.

I might vote for Obama this time around.  3+ years of can-kicking is not a bad track record for any president.  Who's to say he can't do it for four more?

I like Obamacare less than the next guy.  But I like Barack the person. I can live with him as prez.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:15 | 2305721 Vic Vinegar
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It's cool to give reds with thoughts you disagree with.  I get it as I've been angry before, too.

How about we take our thoughts to ZH chat?  I'm going to start a discussion group re: this video right now

See you in chat!

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 02:21 | 2305865 ClassicalLib17
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Sat, 03/31/2012 - 01:16 | 2305801 BlackholeDivestment
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Rosemary's Baby, AKA POTUS Mysterious, is the Antichrist. 

There is only one person that fits the prophetic bill, to sign the false peace and also be in charge of the kind of force described in the Bible, and only one country that also represents a global monitary system of debt that marks the entire global market that has a leader that is declaring and claiming power over the people through their own criminal order. Rosemary's Baby is the one in office, in such a State, when the new age for the occult masonic meatheads begins in 2012, and the goal of their pathetic new world order has it's call in Rome, Israel and ultimately with the Muslims in reguard to Jerusalem, which has been on the U.N. agenda. This is all part of the contrived effort for peace, timed with the globalized market effort we see at hand. This fits exectly with what is defined in prophecy. We have all the conditions in the Middle East, all the chatter, the market, and certainly the Earth and the environment have been speaking as loud as the signs in space. When you throw mans new technical ability to establish a new order of intelligence above human ablity the picture is crytal clear. Time is shorter than people not paying attention would imagine.

The chance that this nutball (any American President now in office) is not the host described in prophecy, and also described by the occult masons and pagan prophecies, with everything coming together all at the same time, well, it can't be just ironic coincidence. The chance factor is about Fed Zero. Lol. This multi trillion black hole Rosemary's Baby Care represents is just another confirmation of the prophetic strong delusion given to the leaders of nations, because they do not love the truth. They prove that point by not reading the laws they pass in the U.S. and EU etc... The leaders are corrupt and in contempt of life, freedom, liberty and justice for all, and the shadow bankers and corporations paid to Greece (lol) the political system to the point of no return for labor.

Time is about up, the number of the beat is in, and we are right now counting it every day, while dipshits watch Dancing With The Stars after they get done working for a system that continues to count against them. Lol.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 01:37 | 2305827 FlyoverCountryS...
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Obama is not, repeat NOT, the Anti-Christ.

The AntiChrist would at least APPEAR to be competent.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 06:12 | 2305971 cossack55
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Is not temple for contemp a contretemps?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:32 | 2306020 KickIce
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With all the hopey changey stuff more likely the false prophet.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 08:49 | 2306081 Hulk
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Time is about up, the number of the beat is in

We got the Beat !!!

(The GoGo's)

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 23:38 | 2305623 kridkrid
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Fascist... from a long line of fascist US presidents.  He may project something else, but what he does speaks so loudly...

Obama Care isn't socialism... it was a handout to insurers. 

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:06 | 2305702 Vic Vinegar
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Absolutely.  Greenie from me.

Still, factoring in reality, Barry is worth a vote, no?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 01:23 | 2305814 Yen Cross
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yOU ARE OF SOUND MIND vIC! !   OOPS Cap lock! Silly me?

  I like ya Vic! Find a sweet name!

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 02:01 | 2305847 Vic Vinegar
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I can't do better 'cuz you have the sweetest name already.

Think about what ZH means when you and I team up.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 03:14 | 2305898 Yen Cross
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 I'll discuss " anything" with you  VIC,   

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:29 | 2305744 Harbanger
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You're smarter than that krid.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:37 | 2305763 Vic Vinegar
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Is he?  'Cuz I think intelligence is a bit overrated.

For sure, Harbanger, you and krid are smart.  But what did that get you?  Seeing this?

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 01:35 | 2305826 Harbanger
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Nice Vid.  It explains our modern culture and the marketeers that forged it.  Intelligence is often overrated,  all it ever did for me was hang some shingles on my wall.  Ultimately, it was wisdom that made me happy and wealthy.  I thank my grandfather for that.  While living with him on his farm, he showed me the nature of life through example.  He also had me read a new chapter of proverbs every day for 2 years when I was 15.  I thought he was nuts.  What he was teaching didn't click till I was 35.  Wisdom is timeless.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 01:54 | 2305840 Vic Vinegar
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Thanks for sharing.

Because you commented on ZH tonight, I see you as being in 1% in terms of intelligence. 

But since you commented, you probably aren't in the 1% in terms of income. 

So do we try and save these people or fuk them over?   That is the great question as I see it.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 02:26 | 2305875 Harbanger
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"So do we try and save these people or fuk them over?"

All "these people" will get fkd over soon, trust me.  It's a universal law.  Every so often I remind my chick that she's just a victim of circumstance.  She has no idea wtf I'm talking about.  All that matters to her is she feels happy, loved and safe. 

Sun, 04/01/2012 - 15:14 | 2307971 Cathartes Aura
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up voted because it warms my heart to see someone take such good care of their egg layers.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:37 | 2306023 Raging Debate
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Indeed Harbanger you're Granpappy was wise. Reading a chapter of Proverbs a day is sound advice whatever ones religious denomination.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:06 | 2305703 XitSam
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It's not lying if the president does it.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 09:18 | 2306105 Schmuck Raker
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....and Central Bankers...

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 22:57 | 2305509 jekyll island
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Seems like a little bit more than a rounding error.

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 22:59 | 2305511 Encroaching Darkness
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Gods of darkness, did no one actually bother to put this together before? Obamacare, the unwrapped dung that keeps on taking...... SCOTUS had better strike this nonsense down, or who will pay their salaries? The US taxpayer? (falls on floor, collapsing in laughter) OHHH, ouch, that hurt! But not as bad as Obamacare will.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 00:27 | 2305742 SilverIsKing
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I'm surprised Obama hasn't named a czar to oversee the actions of the supreme court by now. You know, for national security purposes.

Could Ruth Bader Ginsberg be a terrorist? Anything is possible.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 06:14 | 2305972 cossack55
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I was under the impression that one had to be human in order to be a terrorist.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 07:50 | 2306033 Moe Howard
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She is living proof of the alien lizard theory.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 10:15 | 2306165 knukles
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Another fucking conspiracy theory confirmed.

Sat, 03/31/2012 - 05:42 | 2305959 StychoKiller
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The administration argues that Congress has Constitutional authority under the Article I Section 8 "commerce clause" to compel uninsured Americans to purchase health care insurance.

The logic goes back to the 1942 Supreme Court case "Wickard v. Filburn" in which Ohio farmer Roscoe Filburn was fined for growing wheat in excess of New Deal--era crop quotas. Mr. Filburn argued that the quotas did not apply to his particular circumstances because he was growing feed for his own chickens, not to sell.  But the Supreme Court disagreed, stating that "control of total supply... depends upon control of individual supply," and by growing his own chicken feed, Mr. Filburn was not buying it from others.  Also New Deal agricultural programs were so effective, according to the court, that Mr. Filburn should stop complaining about impositions on his freedom and show a little gratitude.

The Obama administration takes this pernicious logic a step further by compelling people to buy things they don't want.  Since there is no interstate commerce to regulate, the government mandates it. But Judge Graham's question can be answered by employing the same argument that Chief Justice John Marshall employed in the foundational case of Marbury v. Madison (1803).  If Congress can exercise powers that are in practice unlimited, then as Justice Marshall concluded, "written constitutions are absurd attempts, on the part of the people, to limit a power in its own nature illimitable."  It is "a proposition too plain to be contested" that the Constitution cannot be used to justify an act that destroys the very limits on which constitutional government is founded.

In essence, Obamacare must be unconstitutional, because if it stands it would remove the limits to Congressional power that the Constitution was designed to impose.  The Constitution is not a suicide pact even if Obamacare is.


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