Merkel Economic Advisor Does Not Exclude Eurozone Break Up

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Thu, 12/29/2011 - 05:18 | 2018439 Popo
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"If we succeed with a debt settlement pact to stick together to stabilize the euro and durable, no significant losses are expected. Failing that, consequences and costs are incalculable. ... 

If we get the crisis under control quickly now, then the German economy in 2012 is expected to grow by around 0.4 percent. "


And if a population of martians who look just like Dallas cheerleaders, lands outside my door and makes me their supreme emperor -- things could also work out.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:29 | 2018498 Global Hunter
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The Emporer has no clothes!

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 08:00 | 2018601 Sandmann
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he spent his money on a dictionary

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 07:56 | 2018594 AnAnonymous
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things could also work out.


But things will work out.

All what matters is to be aware of what things.

Clearly, European US citizens are after the project "Blobbing up Europe"

This crisis has confirmed this region of the world on that path and Germans would be stupid to let this opportunity ruin.

As US citizens advocate bigger than biggest is still not enough, they even managed to get much more than blobbing up.

Germans have managed to impose administrative sanctions.

Something kept under the rug but that is bigger than biggest when one considers all US citizenism mantra.

Ah, US citizens have told much about the necessity of a proper court hearing, ah, they have invaded, destroyed many societies because supposedly, those societies did not offer a proper court hearing.

Here, theGermans, backed by the rest of European US citizens, have managed all in silence to impose administrative sanctions. No proper court hearing.

The Germans would be dumb not to keep the fearmongering up as they have obtained so much from it already.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 05:12 | 2018441 Pretorian
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1 of those PhD's ...  who doesn't know difference between name ans surname. No wonder this crisis is continuing for ever.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 07:37 | 2018572 Jolly.Roger
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what da fuk is wid the gold price?

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 05:14 | 2018445 misterc
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Price stabiliteeeeeee.
Hard at work managing inflation expectations.
It's the European remix of the song called "strong Dollar policy" by Tim Geithner.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 05:14 | 2018446 non_anon
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wait wat, Merkel still in power?

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 05:18 | 2018450 BadKiTTy
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Of course another way of solving the overindebtedness would be for the banks (many German ones!) to eat the losses made to those who will never be able to pay them back. 





Thu, 12/29/2011 - 07:59 | 2018600 Sandmann
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Ah but you have forgotten RE-HYPOTHECATION and maybe those US Pension Funds don't want German Banks to impose a haircut on their Bond Funds !

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 23:33 | 2020948 ThrivingAdmistC...
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They could do that and go bankrupt.  Of course if all the major Euro banks went Belly Up, all major banks world wide would crash, thus causing a global economic collapse  :(

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 05:20 | 2018454 bbelux
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Are they any German here to explain why the world should stop quoting das Bild here?


At least one should follow this link :


If too lazy here is the concept :


Pair of boobies

TV program


Road pursuits with cops

Information, if possible with break up, explosions, supermens, superheros, superzeros, super something

More Boobies

Boobies again

Ass of the year contest

Boobies to come in the next edition

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 05:38 | 2018464 Wolferl
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Hey, it´s Tyler´s website. If he feels like quoting a stupid German tabloit, it´s up him. ;-)

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 12:54 | 2019463 TheGardener
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Bild is great. A true yellow press / tabloid as they come.

They have to appeal to the common man in the street and
cannot fully ignore apparent mood changes among the public.

Working for a daily like they are , you have to listen to the people if you want to sell . Of course you can sell your dumb readers all kinds of shit and more than a mouthful of .gov propaganda. But you have to stay tuned to the "primitive instincts" of the populace.

It`s the feedback loop you`ll be watching for , not in
between the lines as in good old Prawda days.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:09 | 2018477 Spooky Polish
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We got plenty of nice boobies here in Poland ! C'mon !

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:49 | 2018516 francis_sawyer
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I think we need more boobies...

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:14 | 2018482 Fips_OnTheSpot
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Just as dailymail/thesun/.... cnbc... :-D

After all that certain "newspaper" did the interview.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:41 | 2018509 I got the Bull ...
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The point is the problems are being discussed in a mainstream tabloid.

This means the common folk are becoming aware of the problems.

Hitler used mainstream press to "educate" the masses.

I think the Euro is toast, and Germans are being prepared. You don't want angry voters do you?

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 07:55 | 2018591 Ghordius
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spot on - now just include Wall Street where most have no clue how little Greece is

Greece leaving the EZ will give lots of people the willies

Contagion is just another word for "WTF! I have no clue what is happening!"

"the Euro is toast" is just one of those clueless statements...

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 07:58 | 2018597 Sandmann
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BILD Zeitung is the largest circulation newspaper in Europe - it is very close to Frau Merkel and for that reason alone Tyler is right to quote it.


You might object to Boobies, but for heterosexual readers they make the unpalatable truths of Europolitics more digestible

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 05:36 | 2018463 A Man without Q...
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Something I have begun to understand about the German national pysche is they have an inability to admit they have made mistakes.  Now, with  clear evidence that most of Europe is suffering from a solvency crisis as a result of excessive government spending and a real estate boom that hid the weaknesses of peripheral countries' economies, German "experts" are arrogantly pointing out the failure of others but ignoring the idiotic lending policies of their own banks.  

A good example of this is German lenders and borrowers were reluctant to create a domestic property boom (demanding higher deposits, initial purchase costs of 11% versus long term controlled rents are major factors why 60% are happier to rent), but the same banks were perfectly happy to lend to other nations' banks to support theirs.  So, we now have a situation were similar properties on the Polish side of the eastern border are TWICE the price as those on the German side.  However, the Germans continue to assume that a bad debt is solely the fault of the borrower.

We cannot have a viable solution until the largest creditor and largest economy admits it made mistakes and that debt levels are too high to cope with belt-tightening while making creditors whole in a deflationary economy.  But like I said, Germans don't like to admit to making mistakes.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 05:46 | 2018467 Wolferl
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Funny comment, since most of of the PIIGS public and privat debt is held by French, Swiss and British banks. But it´s okay, just stick to your "the Germans are to blame for everything" meme.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 07:56 | 2018593 Sandmann
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You will find the German public is CONVINCED their political and banker class has made enormous mistakes over 30 years. The Landesbanken are controlled by POLITICIANS who sit on their boards which might explain why most like WestLB and NordLB and BayernLB are bust. Germany has a commercial property boom - maybe you haven't seen Berlin or Stuttgart21 or any of the major public works schemes funded by taxpayers. German Employees have had NO REAL INCREASE in income for 10-15 years so they are hardly likely to rush out and buy houses. The demographics are made worse by the divorce rate.

Rents are NOT controlled long-term but only on a rolling-3-year horizon which excludes Heating and Water Costs and the enormous cost of Refuse Disposal.

German Voters are not wallowing in cash, they are finding it hard to pay their way with rising taxes and prices.....only the TOP 5% have seen any real income increases since 1999. Without Aldi and Plus and Lidl Germans would be going hungry. You seem to have such a glib understanding of 80,000,000 people who currently feel screwed over by a ruling elite as remote as the East German Politburo under Erich Honecker.


Deutsche Bank ceased being a German Bank and wanted to play on Wall Street so it bought Morgan Grenfell and a host of I-Banks so it could cra@p on German Savers and play with Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley in the Washington Consensus game of Russian Roulette or Kool-Aid Banking



Thu, 12/29/2011 - 08:01 | 2018605 Ghordius
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"Deutsche Bank ceased being a German Bank" +1000

the same applies to Credit Suisse and UBS, they ceased to be Swiss Banks, they are now part of the MegaBanks

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 10:21 | 2018960 Rynak
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German Employees have had NO REAL INCREASE in income for 10-15 years so they are hardly likely to rush out and buy houses.

You're being optimistic. Taking into account how the euro was introduced, and subsequent massprinting by the fed in recent years, what actually happened is that in a timespan of about 12 years, the REAL income (as in purchasing power) has declined by 66% or more. The german population has in just 15 years gone from rich and fat, to a 2nd world population.

No other population in europe has in relative terms lost as much via the euro, as germans. While it may have been good for banks and multinational megacorps (exporters), germans have been the biggest losers in the EMU.

If anyone 15 years ago proposed something like this to me, i'd have laughed and said "Yeah right, and this will not result in civil war at all."

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 07:59 | 2018599 Ghordius
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hahaha - so the Germans not inducing their "middle class" to buy into a property frenzy with ultra-cheap money is also a German mistake?

how does an American feel when he hears that 60% of the Germans live quite happily in one of the best rental systems of the world?

Cheated? Or just amazed and believing they must be mad?

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 10:34 | 2019006 boiltherich
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Yes, and also the comment about property being double on the eastern side of the border in Poland what it is in Germany, Poland is not in the EMU, they still use the zloty, by the way, zloty is literally translated as golden. 

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 13:30 | 2019603 TheGardener
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Been to Stettin, well , not really Poland but under good Polish supervision and full of nice white people. The real estate agents advertised apartments for 200K Euro in apartment blocks that would only fetch 200K for a PACK-OF-THREE ENTIRE BLOCKS from a gullible investor on the East German side of the border only to be ripped off on regulatory demands thereafter that will cost him his shirt.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 05:49 | 2018469 Clam McCain
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lets get to the endgame

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:04 | 2018475 Market Efficien...
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Every government since Kohl has in very critical situations used Bild - the most widerspread newspaper (>4mln copies a day) in Germany) - as platform to communicate to the masses that do not read the likes of the post or the times or watch political talks on tv. It has since Kohl been a media outlet to communicate critical standpoints without getting involved in political infights.

BTW Weder di Mauro is smart, but what enables her really as economic advisory board head is that she like straight talk. I attended a presentation by her in November, where she brought up the redemption fund idea and the reestablishment of the disciplinary function of 60% debt to GDP with expulsion consequences. Back then, she also claimed (opposite to what Merkel said) that the ECB needed to do more in the medium term to allow reestablishment of new governance frameworks for the Eurozone.

The problem with her idea (or what she might have really intended): the %/GDP debt limit has two variables and in a deleveraging cycle, the GDP variable will suffer, so if you don't manage to reduce debt in recession by 5-10% (which is illusionary), anyone would get kicked out of the Eurozone.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:17 | 2018486 I am Jobe
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Quick someone wake up Krugman please and tell him to hang himself but first shred hid fucking PhD

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:22 | 2018490 Dick Darlington
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Spain Retail Sales (Real) (YoY)  FALLS 7.2% YoY

Italy Business Confidence  DOWN to 92.5 from 94.0, Two year low...


All good and gravy!

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:30 | 2018499 I am Jobe
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Market should rally on this news. 300 points min run up. How does Goldie fell about this. I guess they re still their client s to buy EU Bonds while they short the EU Bonds.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:24 | 2018493 nolla
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Ok, anyone, tell me what is the transfer mechanism of ECB's balance sheet expansion into inflation?

As we know, ECB's balance sheet has expanded by about 600bn this year --> what is required for expansion to be visible in inflation AND M3 AND credit expansion?

Latest figures (Nov): M3 declined to 2,0% y/y (exp. 2,8) and credit growth slowed down to 1,7 from 2,5 in late summer.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:29 | 2018497 MFL8240
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When does this fucking bullshit end, when Gold is at $900 an ounce?  This is all by design.  So fuckin odvious its actually disgraceful.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:34 | 2018503 I am Jobe
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The man behind the curtain is still manipulating the market. The MSM's have no balls to stand up to these thugs.

As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.
? Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler

Do you hear the Slavery on full scale yet. Not alone in Europe but in NA as well. Generations of slavery is set to take place. I guess the IECONOMY really does work to keep the mases from thinking.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:39 | 2018507 fredquimby
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I thought EURO had only days to go before certain break up??!! It won't last till Friday, definitive solution required before weekend.....etc etc.





Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:42 | 2018510 Zgangsta
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What will the next ZH headline be, "Obama does not say that Martians will not attack us next year"?

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 07:47 | 2018584 Sandmann
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Hardly likely Obama would say anything - he didn't about waging war on Libya and European Media is softening us up for an attack on Syria and possibly is all like the days running up to September 1939 when Deutsche Wochenschau could relay the message from the Wilhelmstrasse that the Reich would defend  ethnic Germans in towns such as Bromberg (Bydgoszcz), where fleeing Polish civilians and military personnel killed between 5,000 and 6,000 ethnic Germans,


We are being hyped up for the next stage of a new Thirty Years War

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 06:45 | 2018513 fonzanoon
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those auctions went off pretty bad just now. Euro 1.28

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 07:39 | 2018564 Sandmann
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Prof Werner Sinn said much the same thing this weekend from IFO Economic Research Group stating that Cataclysmic Events could take place of a nature not unseen since 1945 when the EuroZone implodes

"Es kann sein, dass im nächsten Jahr größere Eruptionen stattfinden", sagte Sinn Reuters TV. "Wir sind in einer wirklich existenziellen Krise des Euro. Solch eine Krise haben wir in der Nachkriegszeit noch nicht gesehen." Das könne auch politische Folgen haben. "Ich wage gar nicht, mir das alles auszumalen.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 08:25 | 2018645 LMAO
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"she made it all too clear how Germany plans to deal with the PIIGS laggards"

For a moment there I actually read that all the problems were IMF induced:

"PIIGS Lagardes"

Freudian slip?

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 12:05 | 2019286 xcehn
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The eurozone breakup is a foregone conclusion and TPTB know it.  Watch what these con artists do, not what they say.  The name of the game is to squeeze every last drop of blood from the taxpayers while the music still plays.  Fiendishly criminal.

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 13:48 | 2019658 TheGardener
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I like that "google translation" reference. This kind of
sidekick only a very few understand make the Tyler's unique
and ZH the greatest site there is.

It's not that something went lost in translation from
"Bild"-German to English, it's the original German Bild
quote of that pretty aging bitch that make not much sense in German, unless google-translated from whatever...

Thu, 12/29/2011 - 14:18 | 2019771 boiltherich
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It is being reported the same as above in the London Telegraph.  I would like to take a stab at the translation of the translation:

"Some countries have taken part and individuals over the years [have] too much debt. The banking crisis has also driven the national debt. Now the fear is great that they cannot repay the debt.

"We need a triad: over-indebted eurozone nations must submit to a long-term insolvency rule. The others must undertake to reduce debt and stabilize the government budgets. With a debt settlement pact, the debt ratios may fall below 60pc over 20 years. This requires that the short-term interest rates are pushed through [with] mutual guarantees to a realistic level.

"If we succeed with a debt settlement pact, to stick together to stabilize the euro, no significant losses are expected. Failing that, consequences and costs are incalculable."


Too much debt by less than perfectly Aryan nations...OK, we get that, have heard little else out of Germany for two years now.

We need the troika to deflect criticism that it is Franco-German bankers demanding all this punishing austerity.  Non Germans are now our debt slaves and need to just shut up and tow the line we tell them to.  There is only one course of action we agree to, austerity and poverty in the non German countries till they have repaid us.  MAYBE in 20 years time they will have bought themselves back their independence and sovereignty. 

Either agree to our demands or you are screwed beyond calculation (Germany will be fine). 


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