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Merkel Goes For The Nuclear Mutual Assured Destruction (But Mostly Suicide) Option
As Merkel ends her speech to the Bundestag on her way out to the Euro Summit, here are the main rhetorical conclusions:
- MERKEL SAYS JUSTIFIABLE TO MAXIMISE EFSF FIREPOWER
- MERKEL SAYS GERMANY `IS NOT THE NAVEL OF THE WORLD'
- MERKEL SAYS EURO CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO FAIL
- MERKEL CITES 'HISTORIC DUTY' TO PRESERVE EUROPE, EURO
But none of that compares to what just was the use of the nuclear mutual assured destruction option, to wit
- Merkel: No one should take another 50 years of peace in Europe for Granted (per DJ)
And scene: Hank Paulson would be so proud
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navels?? outward or inward
I am seeing little signs here and there which points to both Germany and France working towards the reintroduction of the deutshe marc (and probably the franc). I think they are buying for time, playing the markets / politics to get the euro as high as possible and then will convert over. At this point, they have to realize the euro is doomed and the best hope is to get out first and to heck with the rest.
My uneducated guess is that Germany's best option is to be the first to bail.
All she needs say - "If you dont bailout Greece, I will show you my tits!"
she will get all the money she needs
Eye bleach!!! For God sake's, I need EYE BLEACH!!!
"My uneducated guess is that Germany's best option is to be the first to bail."
The first one out of the pool gets a spot in the Taxi home..
Namely point could be this conference that was held in the EU parliament on october 12th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=4HlzozqfIdU&annotation_id=annotation_267150&feature=iv&v=426xE48MSlM
Unfortunately, it seems the Eurozone has been pimping the idea of centralized global economic management for so long now that I can't help but wonder if the crisis won't be used to finally effect that NWO end goal. The recent announcements by Brazil and China that they are willing to fund bailouts through the IMF makes me wonder if the BRICs are making a move for more control of the IMF.
THERE WILL BE TANKS IN THE STREETS!!!
Now, where's my bailout money?...
The "navel of the world" is an odd term that was used in antiquity to mean a portion of the Middle East. It translated exatly from the Sumerian. One wonders where AnGela heard this term and how it came for her to use it. Today, at least in America we might use the term "heart of the world", rather than navel.
So, maybe I missed something. Which country in Europe has a motivation to go to war with its neighbors and has the capability of raising a sufficient army?
None of them do. This isn't August 1914 with millions of young men ready to go and detailed battle plans waiting in the wings. The whole "there might be war in Europe" is just another in a long list of scare tactics so TPTB get their way.
Her neighbours have nukes, she doesnt.
Not that europeans would nuke the only population willing to actually work but Germany could be nuclear capable inside of 6 months.
True, but it is still a big stick the french can swing if necessary.
That something like this is even part of any sane discussion is doubly disturbing.
There are around 10-20 (Süddeutsche Zeitung says 2005: around 150 nukes; but as far as I know Ramstein has no nukes anymore.) in Germany. But they are owned by the US military (of course). Cold war relict. Just saying...
Germans don't like nukes or anything radioactive. You know, environmental issues - nobody wants to see a glowing Bratwurst or a glowing Bavarian (Yikes!). ;)
There is a strong undercurrent of nationalism in everything here. The EU projekt could have worked as long as everything was perfect but as soon as "Ludwig" is called upon to genuinely sacrifice for the good of "Francois" or "Demetrios" or vice-versa, the thing was bound to start falling apart. Look at Finland, a brand-new strong nationalist party came from nowhere and is now a major force in parliament there, this will happen everywhere in Europe at the next election cycle. It will be an interesting next few years.
Ludwig MIGHT be willing to sacrifice for Demetrios if Demetrios is also sacrificing.
There's nothing sane about these psychopaths. They will have covered every base, allowing for their history and who pulls the strings.
Seems like you're all forgetting the US has a bigger military in Europe than Europe does. Europe, especially Germany, can't do anything without Obama's permission.
ALL YOUR BASE!
Ha, six months.. Dirty bombs deliverable in 6 hours.. Full blown nuke packages in 60 hours. Germans are pacifist fools but not technological fools.
I think, three days would be closer to reality.
What could possibly go wrong?
These people are out of their minds if they think that this is the path to 50 peaceful years. They'll see soon enough.
The Brits are the only Euro country that even remotely still has the stomach for war in the trenches. Can you imagine the rest of pussified Europe running around the fields with rifles and rolling in the mud? Puhleeze. What spine those guys had was evaporated away with western materialism. The muslims, the chinese and the russians are the only ones who have the stomach for down and dirty warfare these days. Americans don't really have the stomach for it anymore either after 10 years of straight war but we can and will still hand out some ass kickings when/if they become necessary. The europeans countries? Not so much. They've been relying on America to be their police daddy for the past 50 years. We'll see what happens when big daddy tells them to stand up to the bully on their own for a change. You know it and I know it so don't even bother arguing with me about it.
J0NX is right, the germans would only fight if there was a direct threat to their borders. Unlike us brits who will cheerfully bomb countries for a laugh, and when it comes to boots on the ground, just send a scottish regiment, give em a bottle of scotch each and tell em its a friday night and watch em go!
My point is that you don't need formal geneva convention-compliant warfare to derail the hope for "another 50 years" of peace in Europe. Violent uprisings were big in 2011 and are likely to continue and grow in the coming months and years. The insane fiscal policies being espoused aren't going to do a damn thing to avoid or mitigate that.
And the reality of the situation is that the individual citizens usually don't get a say in whether or not their country puts on their uniforms and marches off to fight. Boogeymen are created or magnified, nationalistic pride is tapped, and boys and men are enlisted to go off and fight the boys and men on the other side who have been fed a similar line.
For real. All the Euros I know practilly wet themselves if you even talk about guns.
Some Americans hove no stomach for total war. You need to exit a city to figure out the real taste for war.
What a stupidly Anglo-centric point of view. Just because the French and Germans haven't been overtly imperial for any number of years doesn't mean that 5 to 10% of their male population wouldn't IMMEDIATELY be willing to crack heads open. They still have testosterone coursing through their veins. I promise the germans would be militarily dominant within 6 months. Look at how fat and lazy the average American or Brit is, now compare that to their special forces guys. By comparison the German population is in vastly better shape and in Germany especially there is plenty of anger simmering RIGHT below the surface. I hardly think there is any chance of a real war happening, but under duress I promise that the absolute HEART of global warfare for 500 years (Europe) would pick that back up like riding a bi-cycle. You guys are just Anglo-centric morons.
LOL, at the anglo-centric historical revisionist tard who gave me a thumbs down but didn't reply because they have no fact based retort.
Yea like the Germans would ever start a war...
Yea like the Germans would ever win a war...
They won the economic war of the last 20 years, here they are, reunified and the manufacturing powerhouse of quality goods for the world.
The only quality goods for the world....... considering that the world class manufacturing industries have been gifted to that Most-Favored-Nationed, China.
Sorry, but that's garbage. There are plenty of quality manufacturers around the world. The issue most have is the consumers are more comfortable throwing pennies at disposable extruded plastic goods from China (as an example) than they are on spending more on a milled alloy equivalent from America, France, Germany, the UK or even Argentina.
Germany just got the big juicy contracts. China just makes the throw-away crap.
Of course, German quality is a sales pitch. Nothing more. A pitch some people have bought as reality. Ever owned a Merc built after 1996?? Shit. Totally fall apart. Bad design, poor quality plastics, V6 and V8 engines that fail consistently after 30k...
They get their big defence and transport contracts (Siemens etc) from Bribery and corruption. Not because they are better. That is what they want the world to believe. Uber Alles.
You are a racist German hating bastard. Go fick Dich!
Considering, that his recent post track record indeed consists ONLY of germany bashing, i agree.
By virtue of lumping themselves into a monetary union with a load of basket cases.
When your goods are 30% cheaper than they should be you can add some quality, be structurally inefficient and still make money.
Why do you think Frau Angel is getting jumpy?
They do have another advantage, I admit; they're born factory workers. They love structure and rules. Repetition is also fine.
Source? More than sufficient personal experience.
DaBernank...And now these spoils of productivity must be distributed to save other failing Euroblock nations? Think from their point of view(the people, not the puppets).
Well, we lost and won in the past. Example: 1871 against France (and lost as HRR against Napoleon-France; does it matter? I mean, it's not like a soccer match.). But it might not be a good idea to fight against the whole world. Maybe we should focus on...oh wait.
Actually, you're right. We've become pacifist. Might have something to do with the country being in ruins, and millions of dead people, and the unforgivable crimes some (many) of our men commited. We thought maybe, just maybe it is a good idea to focus just on our economy. Well...that worked - did it?
Well, it would have "worked" and have sounded impressive:
- If germany wouldn't be the one paying for its own sales
- If those fancy sales would benefit the population
Germany's economic power? Haha, all gov- and workforce-sponsored....
"In soviet germany, taxpayer and employee pays for work."
Germans won plenty of wars, I love the complete divorce from historical accuracy Anglo-centric idiots have. Just because English speakers have "won" the past two great conflicts doesn't somehow negate CENTURIES of German and even French dominance in the field of combat.
Those great wars were won as much due to technology, resources and allies as much as for any other reason. Really the brits naval dominance in the 1600-1700's was what set the stage for WW I and WW II by dominating colonialization. If Germany had an American resources/industrial base equivalent as an ally they would have won.
Fuck, if they hadn't pissed off/threatened Stalin (or the bankers behind those two conflicts) they might very well have won. WW II was lost by Germany on the Eastern Front no matter how many times some English speaker puffs out their chest and declares otherwise.
Yeah, like the Americans would ever start a war,,,
Auntie Angela is printing new D-marks behind the scenes and giving clear hints of Germany's withdrawal from the failed union even if it means a major military conflict.
I hope you're right because I think Guilt just won out. She thinks she's going to establish 50 years of peace with this, which is so batshit I have no speech. Speechless...
I will go full tin hat (Edit: full tin hat = FTH, hehe). The real money men told her, "Do whatever you have to to save the Euro, or a war will start in Europe that we can cover our losses".
Historically speaking, war does nothing for the economies involved. The main benefactor is the group that lends money to both sides.
Just think that statement through and its goofy. You need an army and air force to fight a land war. How many active duty soldiers does any Euro country have any more? In Libya, the NATO planes were running out of ammo after only a few days. This supposed new Euro war would be the shortest, most comically absurd war in history. If they were really serious about it, there would be a long period of rearmanent, remilitarization like you saw in the 1930's.
Maybe the Money Masters told Germany behind the scenes that the US and UK would start a war in Europe if they didn't do what they were told. Suddenly mr. tinfoil and the whole money masters thing, given their historical base(s), makes a lot more sense...don't it.
Good point. Then where? Because if the Euro fails, war will be used to inflate banker balance sheets and they are not hard to start. Any EU country that prints their own money will be labeled the "rogue" state. Otherwise they will need to get more creative.
Berlin is a jelly doughnut.
"ask not what your jelly doughnut can do for you..."
If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, you may call me Meier."
That translation about 50-yrs peace is wrong - or at least misleading
And the correct translation is.....?
That they have to work for the next 50 years of peace; it won't happen automatically.
She just said "Europe so far experienced 50 years of peace, freedom and wealth." - nothing like "or else" or mentioning the 9trn debts
Thanks.
Out there, I swore I heard a faint "Deutchland uber alles..."
Start worrying if you detect the faint drums of the Horst Wessel.
Nah! just a dying echo from the past.
So you're not allowed to say "bomb" on a plane but threatening with war is ok?
a. They don't have the TSA perverts
b. She/it was not at the Luftplatz yet.
You know a Eurocrat is in trouble when they have to turn to "But if we don't do this there will be WAR! CHAOS! MURDER!, so we have no choice you see".
In extremis, this preposterous argument is always trotted out. I wonder if the current, largely War-guilt-free, generation of Germans will continue to buy this BS?
All this bs talk about war in Europe demonstrates that Americans have no clue about Europe.
All this bs demonstrates that history loves to rhym, i.e. Paulson and his martial law calls in 2008. Clueless.
Or maybe it's just that the Germans don't know their history?
At least we know how to find other countries on a map before sending troops - LOL
You can call us anything you want but economically, despite all odds and reparation payments, we are still and continue to br eating your lunch. And our country isn't broke and in utter disrepair.
Maybe you guys should visit once in a while to experience a functioning society. If you think Nazi when thinking of Gemany in 2011 then you just do not have a fucking clue.
All this dismissive talk about war in Europe demonstrates that Europeans have no clue about American love for money and her complicity in the plans of the global financiers. Honestly, this is a dog and pony show but I think we're all fucked, not just Europe. The real war is in the Middle East, then globally, not just in Europe. The next target is Syria, and then Iran.
In the march towards Iran, you will start to see China, Russia, India, South America, and the Middle East, Turkey / Iraq / Afghanistan included, side with Iran, all part of the global financiers East - black pieces. You will see North America, Europe, and Antartica side on the other side, the global financiers West - white pieces. There is no real opposition to the globalists, they own all of the governments, the only opposition is humanity against the financiers and so far, they're not putting up any opposition.
Get ready, this is going to be one hell of a turnout. Billions of people will rise up against the power elite who are playing only a chess game with the world... and the billions will finally put an end to this top down dickhead system. That, or we end up nuked with the survivors in a feudal state of indentured servitude.
We have always been at war with ... Antarctica? WTF?
Those Emperor Penguin legions and Ring Seal team units are very frightening to our sardine allies...
A little humor within the otherwise sober comment. :)
Let's examine your post in detail.
1st up...
Nepalese Gurkha vs Canadian Mounty
Sounds just like Jerk Biden saying that we'll have more rapes if O's "jobs" plan isn't approved.
Conventional wars are dead since Project Manhattan.
Doomers and and silverbug libertarians will have to find something else to fuel their dreams of collapse...
Tell that to the 100,000 or so U.S. troops that have died since World War II.
Vietnam, Iraq, etc, weren't conventional wars. Just guerrillas.
You can't say something is a war when
(1) You're fighting the population itself and not well-defined institutions
(2) You have orders forbidding you to exterminate the problematic population.
Afghanistan is the best example : it's not a war. Just a peace-keeping mission designed to protect special interests, and set to last eternally unless the President says it's over.
I don't totally disagree with your sentiments - just the facts. The Iraqi army was just that; an army. Not a very good one, but an army nevertheless.
Interesting philosophical point.
Can it be called war when only half of the participants call it so? The guerrilla fighters certainly call it war.
What? No goddamned icecream in the canteen?! This is total fuckin war!
Fine Hamy we will not see a repeat of Kursk... Great, lots of wars and no set piece battles, happy?
Tell that to Korea, Vietnan, Iraq, Afganistan etc...
Somebody should re-do "The Bunker" scene with Merkel playing the lead role.
The people need to go to prison.
Oh my god if the loss of a few members of the euro monetary system and bank failures from greek haircuts are going to cause war, then by qll means give the bankers everything they want and subsidize the greeks permanently.
Well welcome to WO4, after a deep depression in the EU another Hitler wakes up in France and wants to go after the gold in zwitserland...
Why not?
Doubtful France could beat Switzerland unless they nuke them heavily with neutron bombs. Even then,they would probably do it in a way that the radiation drifted back onto their own army.
unless they nuke all the mountains that have hundreds (if not thousands) of kilometers of tunnels where the swiss army hides...
...dug, undoubtedly, using the pick and shovel accouterments on the Swiss army knife.
Little known infobit:
Swiss in terms of infantry doesn't really have a standing army. What it has, is a trained male population, with an assault rifle and ammunition stored at home (yes!), ready to be mobilized when needed.
So, the swiss population is actually more heavily armed, than the US population.
Switzerland is the only nation with enough Nuclear shelters to cover the whole population.
So France would fail.
Oh, those crazy banksters and their silly wars...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/Four0oz2Freedom/seinfeld.gif
Fuck it. Go nuclear. Go nuclear right now. Call her bluff and put a Trident warhead up her arse.
Where are they at right now? Brussells? Start the job by planting a 10MT airburst right on top of them. With them out of the way, there might be a chance for a sensible conclusion to this endless bullshit.
Biggest bomb in the US arsenal is now the B82 1.2MT, but I suppose it would do the job..
But did she mention anything about the Jews?
what jews? there are none in germany (anymore)
Bloody hell. The last couple of days, it seems like more and more people are determined to make everything a "Jews" issue.
Is this a financial blog site or the fucking Wansee Conference?
Hmmmc... how typical. One half-comment and it gets jumped on. Typical. The trolls are everywhere.
I wasn't jumping on the comment - my observation was about a trend that seems to be taking place in the fight club section recently. No troll intended. I wasn't particularly remarking on the half-comment I responded to. For all I know, the guy I responded to might have been kidding.
Some folk sure as hell aren't, though, and there's a whiff of Goebbels around here recently.
Agreed and plenty of racism against folks with melanin in their skin as well. I always prefer to call out individuals responsible rather than folks who you know share a racial or religious trait with the criminals and damn them equally. It strikes me as hilarious that the moral equivalent is to blame a 1 month old in 1944 Germany for the crimes of the High Command, yet magically we rarely see that kind of wide brush painting sent against English speakers who have alot more historical blood on their hands. Can you really blame an English boy today for the Victorian genocide in India? No of course not, likewise I don't blame some 2 year old jewish girl for the crimes of Blankfein, or some black boy of 4 for the crimes of Obama. I guess I'm just crazy like that.
LOL- Germans being German..... Obama and Timmy will immediately fire up the printing presses on that note, pusses to any threat....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHKql4JSEZY&feature=related
Google the words "German military fat" and think as to whether anyone should fear THIS Germany NOW.
The populations of the close by countries are just as fat and more disorganized. The roads are a lot better than in WWII. Germany could still win. Unlikely US or Russia would get involved this time.
Merkel: No one should take another 50 years of peace in Europe for Granted
What a cunt. There's no war in Europe becuase of NATO, not the EU.
DISSOLVE THE EURO AND THE EU.
Exactlly. The reason for peace in Euroland over the last 50 years is Nato, and the American troop presence in Germany.
The Rise of the Fourth Reich! Well done Europe! You allowed those Nazis do whatever the fuck they want again!
You are an ignorant ass
So does this mean that the current crop of despots ... aka politicians ... won't go down without a fight?
They are all a bunch of fucking cowards. It's like they all fear something what was it Woodrow Wilson said oh yeah..."A little group of willful men, representing no opinion but their own, have rendered the great government of the United States helpless and contemptible".
And that included him, the miserable motherfucker.
I hope that the FN is elected in France in April. That would fuck over all the euro shills in Europe.
The FN is against the euro and the EU as a whole. They would withdraw.
GO FN!!!!!!!!!!
wow, french nazis. they'll probably join with the germans to form new frangermany...
there won't be any war. germans are just reducing military right now.
She is doing a Prescott Bush and a slick Willy. The Elite dictate shit is coming and Merkel wants to get aboard the ark
That statement gave The Bernanke a hard on....
Let's go for some martial law in the EU! Wait... that's not applicable, EU is not federated.
Just waiting for november 5th, Guy Fawkes Gunpowder Plot commemoration aka Operation Cashback.
Merkel grows a cocknballz time, discloses she is really a Male. The panstsuit wardrobe were a clue.
This selective reading of history is beginning to rub me the wrong way. The reason for the last war was a transfer union, namely the Treaty of Versaille. And it is this transfer union that broke the back of the German economy. Now what is being proposed is a process that leads to the same instrument, i.e. a tranfer union that will "repeat history". And that repeat of history...
Merkel is Sarko's poodle and they are both puppets for the banksters. The strategy is to scare the public into believing that the bailouts are necessary. The same ploy was used in the US to justify the obscene bailouts. Unless you scare people shitless, you can't get away with this sort of wholesale looting of the taxpayers. Nothing is beter than THAT something. Therefore, Euroland must disband and the banksters must sink.
The banking elitists really have to be laughing at the perverted parasitic idiot sociopaths that they have been able to install as the head of most of the Western countries. I mean seriously ... what a joke!
The Euro will not fail yet ... Germany will withdraw ... but Euro will remain until all debt paid on highly inflated currency then fiscal union with Germany rejoining ... HQ frankfurt... London finished... uk will print at par with euro possibly 80% or more devaluation ... imho ... forth reich is here. just sayin
yeah and the fastest way to wr is to keep forcing the people to bail out the banking class!! these leaders need to be removed.
anyone know the timetable for today's meeting?
Is is a definition of financial terrorismus?
Or is she trying to definitivelly destroy and forget part of europeran culture: http://www.martinvancreveld.com/
Did it ever occur to anyone that the French were not cowards and thought to themselves we are not fighting another rich mans war... leave that to the British and American fools who think were all in this together ... funny to hear old guys in the UK say "if it wasn't for me you'd be speaking German" when the Germans arent speaking english, Who won the war? the Germans were able to buld their industry and pay back their debt 5 to 1 on the dollar 3 to 1 on the pound and they kept their Nazi gold in Switzerland.
We are all blinded by nationalism when it is just another tool to devide and rule, all of the royal families in Europe are still in charge and related you only needed to look at the UK royal wedding this year to see who supports who they are not devided.
"World War 3 motherf*cker, I thought you knew"
- Lucius Septimius Severus
Holy shit. Did Iron Bitch just make a war threat?
Beware Amerikaner...Germans are not killing Jews, they are now HIRING THEM! :) Victory is ensured.
Lookout!!!
She's gonna print! ECB Helicopters imminent!!!
Some good news: Already now nearly 20% of Germanys energy consumption is renewable energy. Trend is fast accelerating. Lots of new and highly innovative projects are kicked of in these days. It is expected, that Germany can export energy in 25 years from now.
And this is all while the US and UK are still fighting yesterdays wars.
Without links stats, I call bullshit on your windmills herr gore..
The market likes war, it is going up.
actually 66 years of peace, but whose counting
When reading several comments here one get's that strange impression that our friends across the ocean still live in bygone times.
Does anyone here care to check back what the Chancellouress really said? Is anyone willing to get over that archaic nazi-bullshit and look at the present?
Or is it just too convenient, too fitting to make it easy for yourselves and your prejudices and bend the words for that they fit into a certain antiquated view of Germany, a view, mind i say that has less than nothing to do with the reality of the year 2011 in this country?!
Print, Baby, Print!
German courts have just ruled that you can't criticise Germany on the internet!
http://germanywatch.blogspot.com/2011/10/criticism-of-germany-is-verboten.html
Actually, that article is highly misleading. The courts didn't rule that one may not criticize germany.... instead, it ruled that anyone making illegal statements, on a german language website (instead of on a german website (location!)), can be sued.
While i despise how german legislation and courts have made a power- and surveilance grap on the net, criticizing germany is not illegal (yet!).
What that court decision does instead, is enabling german courts to censor any websites in german language across the planet, if they contain statements that are illegal under german law.
In case it still isn't clear yet what the court did:
Previously, servers located in germany, of course fell under german law.
Now instead, any server no matter where it is located on the globe, falls under german law, if it serves content in german language.
Ridiculous and despisable? Yes, but the linked article is hyperbole regardless.
50 years of peace was brought to europe and imposed from the outside.
it looks like the solution to europe's fiscal crisis may also have to be imposed from the outside as they cannot do heavy lifting together.
What exactly is it in that anglo-american tunnel vision that prevents people realizing the obvious?
Of course war is under the radar. Helmut Kohl was threatened with war by France if it DID NOT join the EURO and still reunified with the east.
Mitterand, what a monetary dumbfuck, not to mention lunatic.
This is the one time Merkel is right, Europe has no guarantee of peace.
Of course, without Glass-Steagall there will be hell on Earth.
We don't need fucktard monetarism of ANY 'school' of non-thought.