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Merkel Goes For The Nuclear Mutual Assured Destruction (But Mostly Suicide) Option

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Wed, 10/26/2011 - 06:57 | 1811502 Irish66
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navels?? outward or inward

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:03 | 1811525 TrafficNotHere
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I am seeing little signs here and there which points to both Germany and France working towards the reintroduction of the deutshe marc (and probably the franc). I think they are buying for time, playing the markets / politics to get the euro as high as possible and then will convert over. At this point, they have to realize the euro is doomed and the best hope is to get out first and to heck with the rest.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:05 | 1811535 DarkAgeAhead
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My uneducated guess is that Germany's best option is to be the first to bail.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:03 | 1811697 Comay Mierda
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All she needs say - "If you dont bailout Greece, I will show you my tits!"

she will get all the money she needs

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:18 | 1811952 Gavrikon
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Eye bleach!!!  For God sake's, I need EYE BLEACH!!!

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:06 | 1811917 Max Hunter
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"My uneducated guess is that Germany's best option is to be the first to bail."

The first one out of the pool gets a spot in the Taxi home..

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:36 | 1811616 Overflow-admin
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Namely point could be this conference that was held in the EU parliament on october 12th.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:44 | 1811648 bernorange
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Unfortunately, it seems the Eurozone has been pimping the idea of centralized global economic management for so long now that I can't help but wonder if the crisis won't be used to finally effect that NWO end goal. The recent announcements by Brazil and China that they are willing to fund bailouts through the IMF makes me wonder if the BRICs are making a move for more control of the IMF.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:12 | 1811552 Pool Shark
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Now, where's my bailout money?...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:40 | 1811804 Bartanist
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The "navel of the world" is an odd term that was used in antiquity to mean a portion of the Middle East. It translated exatly from the Sumerian. One wonders where AnGela heard this term and how it came for her to use it. Today, at least in America we might use the term "heart of the world", rather than navel.

So, maybe I missed something. Which country in Europe has a motivation to go to war with its neighbors and has the capability of raising a sufficient army?

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:50 | 1812120 ElvisDog
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None of them do. This isn't August 1914 with millions of young men ready to go and detailed battle plans waiting in the wings. The whole "there might be war in Europe" is just another in a long list of scare tactics so TPTB get their way.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 06:57 | 1811504 qussl3
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Her neighbours have nukes, she doesnt.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:05 | 1811533 DaBernank
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Not that europeans would nuke the only population willing to actually work but Germany could be nuclear capable inside of 6 months.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:13 | 1811557 qussl3
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True, but it is still a big stick the french can swing if necessary.

That something like this is even part of any sane discussion is doubly disturbing.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:37 | 1811607 PY-129-20
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There are around 10-20 (Süddeutsche Zeitung says 2005: around 150 nukes; but as far as I know Ramstein has no nukes anymore.) in Germany. But they are owned by the US military (of course). Cold war relict. Just saying...

Germans don't like nukes or anything radioactive. You know, environmental issues - nobody wants to see a glowing Bratwurst or a glowing Bavarian (Yikes!). ;)

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:34 | 1811615 DaBernank
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There is a strong undercurrent of nationalism in everything here. The EU projekt could have worked as long as everything was perfect but as soon as "Ludwig" is called upon to genuinely sacrifice for the good of "Francois" or "Demetrios" or vice-versa, the thing was bound to start falling apart. Look at Finland, a brand-new strong nationalist party came from nowhere and is now a major force in parliament there, this will happen everywhere in Europe at the next election cycle. It will be an interesting next few years.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:22 | 1811970 Gavrikon
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Ludwig MIGHT be willing to sacrifice for Demetrios if Demetrios is also sacrificing.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:53 | 1811667 Al Gorerhythm
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There's nothing sane about these psychopaths. They will have covered every base, allowing for their history and who pulls the strings.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:00 | 1811890 Hobbleknee
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Seems like you're all forgetting the US has a bigger military in Europe than Europe does.  Europe, especially Germany, can't do anything without Obama's permission.



Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:00 | 1811891 Calmyourself
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Ha, six months..  Dirty bombs deliverable in 6 hours..  Full blown nuke packages in 60 hours.  Germans are pacifist fools but not technological fools.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:01 | 1811895 Instant Wealth
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I think, three days would be closer to reality.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 06:58 | 1811506 Bloodgroove
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What could possibly go wrong?

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:17 | 1811566 Gene Parmesan
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These people are out of their minds if they think that this is the path to 50 peaceful years. They'll see soon enough.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:43 | 1811637 j0nx
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The Brits are the only Euro country that even remotely still has the stomach for war in the trenches. Can you imagine the rest of pussified Europe running around the fields with rifles and rolling in the mud? Puhleeze. What spine those guys had was evaporated away with western materialism. The muslims, the chinese and the russians are the only ones who have the stomach for down and dirty warfare these days. Americans don't really have the stomach for it anymore either after 10 years of straight war but we can and will still hand out some ass kickings when/if they become necessary. The europeans countries? Not so much. They've been relying on America to be their police daddy for the past 50 years. We'll see what happens when big daddy tells them to stand up to the bully on their own for a change. You know it and I know it so don't even bother arguing with me about it.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:40 | 1811803 english serf
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J0NX is right, the germans would only fight if there was a direct threat to their borders. Unlike us brits who will cheerfully bomb countries for a laugh, and when it comes to boots on the ground, just send a scottish regiment, give em a bottle of scotch each and tell em its a friday night and watch em go!

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:07 | 1812204 Gene Parmesan
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My point is that you don't need formal geneva convention-compliant warfare to derail the hope for "another 50 years" of peace in Europe. Violent uprisings were big in 2011 and are likely to continue and grow in the coming months and years. The insane fiscal policies being espoused aren't going to do a damn thing to avoid or mitigate that.

And the reality of the situation is that the individual citizens usually don't get a say in whether or not their country puts on their uniforms and marches off to fight. Boogeymen are created or magnified, nationalistic pride is tapped, and boys and men are enlisted to go off and fight the boys and men on the other side who have been fed a similar line.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:02 | 1811898 Hobbleknee
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For real.  All the Euros I know practilly wet themselves if you even talk about guns.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:05 | 1811909 Calmyourself
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Some Americans hove no stomach for total war.  You need to exit a city to figure out the real taste for war.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:33 | 1812360 Bring the Gold
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What a stupidly Anglo-centric point of view. Just because the French and Germans haven't been overtly imperial for any number of years doesn't mean that 5 to 10% of their male population wouldn't IMMEDIATELY be willing to crack heads open. They still have testosterone coursing through their veins. I promise the germans would be militarily dominant within 6 months. Look at how fat and lazy the average American or Brit is, now compare that to their special forces guys. By comparison the German population is in vastly better shape and in Germany especially there is plenty of anger simmering RIGHT below the surface. I hardly think there is any chance of a real war happening, but under duress I promise that the absolute HEART of global warfare for 500 years (Europe) would pick that back up like riding a bi-cycle. You guys are just Anglo-centric morons.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:59 | 1812529 Bring the Gold
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LOL, at the anglo-centric historical revisionist tard who gave me a thumbs down but didn't reply because they have no fact based retort.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 06:59 | 1811507 HD
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Yea like the Germans would ever start a war...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:13 | 1811558 Ethics Gradient
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Yea like the Germans would ever win a war...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:37 | 1811623 DaBernank
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They won the economic war of the last 20 years, here they are, reunified and the manufacturing powerhouse of quality goods for the world.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:58 | 1811683 Al Gorerhythm
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The only quality goods for the world....... considering that the world class manufacturing industries have been gifted to that Most-Favored-Nationed, China.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:36 | 1811792 Ethics Gradient
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Sorry, but that's garbage. There are plenty of quality manufacturers around the world. The issue most have is the consumers are more comfortable throwing pennies at disposable extruded plastic goods from China (as an example) than they are on spending more on a milled alloy equivalent from America, France, Germany, the UK or even Argentina.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:49 | 1811831 BarryG
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Germany just got the big juicy contracts. China just makes the throw-away crap.

Of course, German quality is a sales pitch. Nothing more. A pitch some people have bought as reality. Ever owned a Merc built after 1996?? Shit. Totally fall apart. Bad design, poor quality plastics, V6 and V8 engines that fail consistently after 30k...

They get their big defence and transport contracts (Siemens etc) from Bribery and corruption. Not because they are better. That is what they want the world to believe. Uber Alles.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:27 | 1812324 molecool
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You are a racist German hating bastard. Go fick Dich!

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 12:01 | 1812872 Rynak
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Considering, that his recent post track record indeed consists ONLY of germany bashing, i agree.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:27 | 1811771 Ethics Gradient
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By virtue of lumping themselves into a monetary union with a load of basket cases.

When your goods are 30% cheaper than they should be you can add some quality, be structurally inefficient and still make money.

Why do you think Frau Angel is getting jumpy?

They do have another advantage, I admit; they're born factory workers. They love structure and rules. Repetition is also fine.

Source? More than sufficient personal experience.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:03 | 1811899 moonstears
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DaBernank...And now these spoils of productivity must be distributed to save other failing Euroblock nations? Think from their point of view(the people, not the puppets).

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 07:53 | 1811673 PY-129-20
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Well, we lost and won in the past. Example: 1871 against France (and lost as HRR against Napoleon-France; does it matter? I mean, it's not like a soccer match.). But it might not be a good idea to fight against the whole world. Maybe we should focus on...oh wait.

Actually, you're right. We've become pacifist. Might have something to do with the country being in ruins, and millions of dead people, and the unforgivable crimes some (many) of our men commited. We thought maybe, just maybe it is a good idea to focus just on our economy. Well...that worked - did it?

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:21 | 1811900 Rynak
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Well, it would have "worked" and have sounded impressive:

- If germany wouldn't be the one paying for its own sales

- If those fancy sales would benefit the population


Germany's economic power? Haha, all gov- and workforce-sponsored....

"In soviet germany, taxpayer and employee pays for work."

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:42 | 1812404 Bring the Gold
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Germans won plenty of wars, I love the complete divorce from historical accuracy Anglo-centric idiots have. Just because English speakers have "won" the past two great conflicts doesn't somehow negate CENTURIES of German and even French dominance in the field of combat.

Those great wars were won as much due to technology, resources and allies as much as for any other reason. Really the brits naval dominance in the 1600-1700's was what set the stage for WW I and WW II by dominating colonialization. If Germany had an American resources/industrial base equivalent as an ally they would have won.

Fuck, if they hadn't pissed off/threatened Stalin (or the bankers behind those two conflicts) they might very well have won. WW II was lost by Germany on the Eastern Front no matter how many times some English speaker puffs out their chest and declares otherwise.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:30 | 1812339 molecool
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Yeah, like the Americans would ever start a war,,,

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 06:59 | 1811508 Dick Darlington
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Auntie Angela is printing new D-marks behind the scenes and giving clear hints of Germany's withdrawal from the failed union even if it means a major military conflict.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:00 | 1811624 GeneMarchbanks
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I hope you're right because I think Guilt just won out. She thinks she's going to establish 50 years of peace with this, which is so batshit I have no speech. Speechless...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:58 | 1811862 spanish inquisition
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I will go full tin hat (Edit: full tin hat = FTH, hehe). The real money men told her, "Do whatever you have to to save the Euro, or a war will start in Europe that we can cover our losses".

Historically speaking, war does nothing for the economies involved. The main benefactor is the group that lends money to both sides.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:05 | 1812194 ElvisDog
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Just think that statement through and its goofy. You need an army and air force to fight a land war. How many active duty soldiers does any Euro country have any more? In Libya, the NATO planes were running out of ammo after only a few days. This supposed new Euro war would be the shortest, most comically absurd war in history. If they were really serious about it, there would be a long period of rearmanent, remilitarization like you saw in the 1930's.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:45 | 1812453 Bring the Gold
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Maybe the Money Masters told Germany behind the scenes that the US and UK would start a war in Europe if they didn't do what they were told. Suddenly mr. tinfoil and the whole money masters thing, given their historical base(s), makes a lot more sense...don't it.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:56 | 1812511 spanish inquisition
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Good point. Then where? Because if the Euro fails, war will be used to inflate banker balance sheets and they are not hard to start. Any EU country that prints their own money will be labeled the "rogue" state. Otherwise they will need to get more creative.

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