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Merkel Snubs France As Europe's "AAA Club" Meets In Berlin Tomorrow ex-Sarko

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A few days after Germany proposed the stripping of Greek fiscal authority from the insolvent country, in exchange for providing funding for what German FinMin Schauble called today a "bottomless pit" (and Brüderle chimed in saying that "a default of the Greek government would be bitter but manageable), Sarkozy decided to demonstrate his "muscle" if not so much stature, and openly denied Germany, saying "There can be no question of putting any country under tutelage." Sure enough, it was now Germany's turn to reciprocate the favor. According to Bloomberg, "Finance ministers from the four euro- area countries with AAA ratings -- Germany, Finland, Luxembourg and the Netherlands -- will meet in Berlin tomorrow afternoon, a German Finance Ministry spokesman said." And as is well known, FrAAnce no longer a member of this, however meaningless, club. "The gathering is part of a a series of meetings convened by officials from the highest-rated euro states, the spokesman said, speaking on the customary condition of anonymity. Ministers will discuss current issues without briefing reporters after the meeting." And so the gauntlet of public humiliation is now once again back in Sarkozy's court. The good news: if the de minimis Frenchman does not get his act in order, and overturn the massive lead that his challenger in the April presidential elections has garnered, he will need to endure the humiliation for at most 3 more months. In other news, it appears that when it comes to saving political face, the rating agencies are actually quite useful.

And due to popular demand, here is a summary of European summits and their "achievements" in the past year, courtesy of Reuters.

Feb. 4, 2011 - Summit of EU heads of state and government.

- Germany and France tried to win backing for a pact to strengthen the euro zone economy, but many other EU states were angered by what they saw as a fait accompli and the measures contained in it.

March 4 - Fourteen EU leaders, hosted by Finland, met to prepare a comprehensive response to the euro zone debt crisis.

- Finland said the common will was there for European leaders to agree a pact that would call on member states to enact national legislation on debt.

March 12

- Euro zone leaders agreed the capacity of the region's bailout fund, the European Financial Stability Facility, should be raised to 440 billion euros ($600 billion) from 250 billion, but left it up to finance ministers to work out how.

March 15 - Meeting of EU finance ministers in Brussels.

- Euro zone officials said they were likely to agree details on how to bolster the EFSF soon and that the reformed facility should be operational by the summer.

March 24, 25 - Full summit of EU leaders in Brussels.

- They confirmed that the EFSF would have a higher effective lending capacity by June.

April 8, 9 - Informal meeting of European finance ministers in Hungary.

- EU finance ministers urged Portugal to commit to reforms. Portugal on April 6 became the third euro zone country after Greece and Ireland to ask for EU and IMF aid.

May 16 - Euro zone finance ministers meet in Brussels.

- Ministers approved a 78 billion euro bailout for Portugal but insisted that Lisbon ask private bondholders to maintain their exposure to its debt.

May 17 - European Union finance ministers meet in Brussels.

- Europe's top financial officials acknowledged for the first time that Greece may have to restructure its debts.

June 23, 24 - Summit of EU leaders in Brussels.

- Euro zone leaders endorsed the treaty setting up the European Stability Mechanism (ESM) - a permanent mechanism for resolving sovereign debt crises - from mid-2013.

July 3 - Extraordinary meeting of euro zone finance ministers in Brussels.

- Ministers approved the next 12 billion euro instalment of Greece's bailout, but signalled that the nation must expect significant losses of sovereignty and jobs.

July 21 - Meeting of euro zone heads of state and government in Brussels.

- Euro zone leaders agreed on giving the rescue fund broader powers to prevent contagion from the debt crisis.

Sept. 6 - Finance ministers of the Netherlands, Finland and Germany meet in Berlin.

- The Dutch finance minister said talks with Finland and Germany had not resolved a row over a bilateral deal between Finland and Greece, granting the Nordic country collateral for contributing to a new Greek bailout package.

Sept. 16, 17 - Informal meeting of ministers and central bank governors in Wroclaw, Poland.

- EU finance ministers broke no new ground in dealing with the euro zone debt crisis. U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner made an appearance and urged Germany to provide more fiscal stimulus for the euro zone.

Oct. 3 - Meeting of euro zone finance ministers, central bankers and EU commissioners in Luxembourg.

- European finance ministers agreed to safeguard their banks as doubts grew about whether a planned second bailout package for Greece would go ahead.

- Hours earlier, French-Belgian municipal lender Dexia became the first European bank to have to be bailed out due to the euro zone's sovereign debt crisis.

Oct. 23 - Meeting of EU leaders.

- Leaders near agreement on bank recapitalisation -- how to leverage their rescue fund to try to stop bond market contagion.

Oct. 26-27 - Euro zone leaders strike a deal with private banks and insurers for them to accept a 50 percent loss on their Greek government bonds as part of a plan to lower Greece's debt burden. The agreement is reached after more than eight hours of hard-nosed negotiations.

- Leaders also agree to scale up the EFSF to about 1 trillion euros and to recapitalise European banks to an estimated 106 billion euros ($147 billion).

Nov. 29 - Euro zone ministers meeting in Brussels.

- Ministers agree on detailed plans to leverage the EFSF but do not say by how much because of rapidly worsening market conditions, prompting them to look to the IMF.

Dec. 5 - Sarkozy and Merkel meet in France.

- They float proposal for a euro zone "fiscal compact" to enforce budget discipline across the 17-nation bloc. They say they want any necessary treaty changes for their plans to be enacted to be agreed in March and ratified after France wraps up presidential and legislative elections in June.

Dec. 8 - The ECB announced unprecedented action to support Europe's cash-starved banks with three-year liquidity tenders and easier collateral rules and cut interest rates back to a record low 1.0 percent.

- However ECB President Mario Draghi discouraged expectations that the bank would massively step up buying of government bonds if European Union leaders agree on moves towards closer fiscal union at a crucial Brussels summit.

Dec. 8/9 - Crisis summit of EU heads of state and government in Brussels. Sarkozy and Merkel laid out their plan to impose mandatory penalties on euro states that exceed deficit targets, to restore market trust and arrest the region's debt crisis.

- Twenty-three of the 27 leaders agreed to pursue tighter integration with stricter budget rules for the single currency area, but Britain said it could not accept proposed amendments to the EU treaty after failing to secure concessions for itself.

Jan. 30, 2012 - Summit of EU heads of state and government in Brussels. Twenty-five out of 27 EU states agreed to a German-inspired pact for stricter budget discipline - only Britain and the Czech Republic refused the fiscal compact, to be signed in March.

Feb. 6 - Euro zone finance ministers will meet in Brussels to try to agree a second financing package for Greece.

 

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Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:02 | 2121009 Caviar Emptor
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Banks win again.....

Spain is set to announce today its plan to shepherd struggling banks into mergers and make the industry set aside 50 billion euros ($66 billion) for real- estate assets left over from the bubble that burst in 2008.

The government will issue debt and inject the funds into banks via contingent convertible bonds, or CoCos, which convert into equity if capital ratios fall below a certain level


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-01/spain-said-to-plan-to-buy-coco-...

Take a guess who'll be buying the debt used to bail the banks? 

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:04 | 2121030 LawsofPhysics
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Yep, more paper games.  Allow me to introduce the "magic equity" concept - bonds that magically convert into equity of real value should the bank not perform it's due diligence.  Well hell, let me just write a few of those on to my balance sheet then...

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:06 | 2121041 Caviar Emptor
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....and if the equity tanks and gets diluted it can be converted to tickets for sporting events. Black out periods apply. 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:51 | 2121197 BaBaBouy
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GERMANY Is Also In The "Drink" anyway...

They Whole EU is now screwed (UP), because of their early inaction.

 

""Bundesbank sinks deeper into debt saving Europe

By ,

 

Germany's Bundesbank has entirely exhausted its stock of private assets and run up a quarter of a trillion euros in liabilities propping up the eurozone system, testing the political limits of EMU solidarity in Germany.""

The operations are part of the European Central Bank's 'TARGET2' network of automatic payments between the national central banks of the Euroland club. The Bundesbank has already provided €496bn (£413bn) to countries in trouble, chiefly Greece, Ireland, Italy and Spain.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9055142/Bundesbank-si...

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:58 | 2121232 The Big Ching-aso
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"Sacre Bleu!   France has been insulted!    I challenge Germany to a duel!    En garde Madame Merkel!   Our very own Madame Lagarde will defend France's honor!    As for me, I will go on vacation."

Nicolas Sarkozy

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:18 | 2121289 fonestar
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I'm glad that us here in Canada haven't lost our triple eh-rating, I want my McMansion in Vancouver.  It's my civil right, people died for this shit!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:36 | 2121339 Manthong
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Wouldn't it be a hoot if S&P lobbed a downgrade of Germany into the meeting.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:29 | 2121321 trilliontroll
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The Watch/Guard on the Rhine:
...
Lieb Vaterland magst ruhig sein,
lieb Vaterland magst ruhig sein:
Fest steht und treu die Wacht,
die Wacht am Rhein!
Fest steht und treu die Wacht,
die Wacht am Rhein!
...
Durch Hunderttausend zuckt es schnell,
und aller Augen blitzen hell;
der Deutsche, bieder, fromm und stark, 
beschützt die heil'ge LandesMARK.
Thu, 02/02/2012 - 21:29 | 2121921 disabledvet
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does it include frequent flier miles? i might be interested...

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 02:02 | 2122317 He_Who Carried ...
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NoNo, its because Carla is cooking his favourite Spaghetti....

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:07 | 2121042 Silver Bug
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Sarko, the egomanic is not going to like that very much.

 

http://jimrickards.blogspot.com/

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:17 | 2121075 alien-IQ
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Yeah but he's still got most world leaders beat on the "Who's got the hottest wife" thing.

I mean...seriously...damn.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_nEsQnzB7Q2Q/SASoBsdtrgI/AAAAAAAAA4g/H8MwsQTnTfU/...

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:34 | 2121146 Canucklehead
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Who cares what a politician's wife looks like.  The measure is what does a politician's mistress look like?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:42 | 2121186 alien-IQ
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did you see his wife?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:54 | 2121223 NotApplicable
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No, it was censored.

How much did that pic sell for again?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:05 | 2121251 knukles
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Scene:  Angie Merkel's office

 

Sound:  bringgg bringgg
Secretary:  Ja, jawohl.  Frau Doctor Doctor Merkel's Office.

Sarko:  Hi.  It's me. Let me talk to heir zeese verrry mo-ment.

Secretary:  Frau Doctor.  Ze Mini Pest for you.  Shall I tell him zat you hate hees guts and zat zee Leopard III's are idling in ze Mulsane awaiting your orders?

Angie:  No, Mistress Von Painster, I shall speak to zeee little moron. (giggles)

Scene:  Angie picks up ze pheene

Angie:  Yes, what is it now, Prim Ministair Sarkozy? (imperious professorial voice)

Sarko:  Angie, please quit addressing to me as ze Prim Minister, it is our ceremonial position.  I am the state, the France, I am the President.

A:  Yeah, yeah. (mumbles under breath but her still hears, "Bullshit")

S:  Why have I not been invited to the delegation of the AAA nations?  You of all people outside of France and perhaps the only one outside of The State, La France, the magnificent savior of Europe, know that France is still a AAA worthy credit.

A:  Because not all PFIIGS are equal.

S:  What!?!?!?!?!?!

A:  Out with it Snarko.  A pfennig for your thoughts.

S:  Pfennigs?  They do not exist any mo...  (Interrupted)

A: Wanna bet?

Split screen fades to black as Sarko begins crying and Angie massages her cool, whiter than newly fallen Bavarian snow, never touched by a man, upper thighs and sexily calls:  Madame Von Painster, please come. I need you to take some dicktation.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:15 | 2121282 EvlTheCat
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ROTFL!!!!! hahahahahaha

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 18:40 | 2121501 DoChenRollingBearing
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Make THAT a YouTube video and get 1,000,000 visits...

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:16 | 2121287 knukles
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the end is nigh

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 21:32 | 2121928 disabledvet
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sounds more like "the end is high" to me.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:46 | 2121200 brooklynlou
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She was "Da-yum" 20 years ago. After all the plastic surgery botox shes gotten, she starting to get that puffy lipped stretched cat face look.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:21 | 2121302 alien-IQ
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20 years ago she was 24 years old. I think most of us looked better at that age.

She is still an absolutely beautiful woman despite the fact that she's married to an arrogant little prick. I can separate the two things.

This photo is only about 10 months old. Not exactly a botox deformed hideous beast in my opinion.

http://rdujour.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/cbrunisarkozydiam.jpg

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:30 | 2121324 Beaver_Valley
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Yeah, but doesn't it put you off that Donald Trump's already visited the Carla parlour?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:39 | 2121348 alien-IQ
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are you suggesting you'd throw her out of bed?

I'm not looking to marry her or bring her home to meet "mom". I'm just making an observation about her looks. I think she's beautiful...that's all.

Beauty is subjective and I'm sure many guys here on ZH frequently date women far more beautiful than her. After all, it is a well known fact that every guy on the internet is fucking a supermodel in real life.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:55 | 2121384 Beaver_Valley
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Hihi! Don't know if you understand french - if so this excellent parody of Carla's "Quelqu'un m'a dit..." should make you chuckle....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNwp7xgrbVc

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 18:05 | 2121411 alien-IQ
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I'm far from fluent (very far actually)...but I grasped enough to get a good laugh out of it. Nice find.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 18:10 | 2121421 Beaver_Valley
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The key refrain is about her sexual frustration - "every night Sarko just falls asleep, but they me that told that dwarves are sex machines, so I guess they lied then...."  :-)

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:20 | 2121084 mattu13048
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The only market update I read every week: http://www.armadamarkets.com/2012/01/weekly-market-update/

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 19:17 | 2121571 viahj
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well, that's a shitty way to form a well researched, thought out position...

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:21 | 2121088 slaughterer
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Open question for anyone who cares to care to answer it:

What is the strategy with regard to ES/SPX, and EUR/USD trading right now?

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:47 | 2121203 WonderDawg
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I've got some March and April puts that are bleeding right now, but sitting on dry powder, waiting for the market to roll over. I think if S&P breaches 1300, I'll buy some more puts on selected stocks, and if we crack 1292, probably load up some more. I'm not buying the rally, I think it's just about done. Patience is not my strong point, but I'm working on it.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 03:43 | 2122382 Non Passaran
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I'm refraining from going long as well. 10% short, 50% cash, the rest are core things I have kept for a while.
Been thinking about buying some phyzz, though.
I still hope that the crisis takes a nastier turn and some countries leave the EU.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 21:35 | 2121932 disabledvet
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you go three blocks down...turn right. at the stop light go straight...then at the bend in the river turn the wheel hard right...then hard left. honk your horn. i'll be waiting at the corner with..."the stuff." i'm sorry...what was the question again?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 04:46 | 2122412 Archduke
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mais alors, if you are not at zee table you're on zee menu, non?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:02 | 2121017 GeneMarchbanks
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FrAAnce is a sold nation. Germans are in limbo.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:06 | 2121038 alien-IQ
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I'm not so sure about that. But French food has German food beat, hands down. So they've got that going for them....

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:15 | 2121065 GeneMarchbanks
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France has been the rat within the EU construct. Cheese eater. DSK then LaTard. Um, does this really need spelling out, gents?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:20 | 2121086 NotApplicable
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Of course, so have the Germans been cast, if you're from France, for instance.

It's all about creating the a legitimate looking facade of political conflict from one sheeple perspective or another.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:21 | 2121090 alien-IQ
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Be that as it may...the food is wonderful. And the wine? Foggetaboutit.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:26 | 2121101 GeneMarchbanks
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You mean the wine they don't export? You have to go there to get a real taste of their wine while they ship pisswater to other nations.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:48 | 2121207 alien-IQ
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yeah...that's it. and they also fart in your cheese...and they spit in your sandwich...Oh those evil French terrorists chefs.

spare me. if your loathing for a people is so profound that it will not allow you to enjoy some of the truly wonderful things their culture has to offer, then you are just too sad a person to even attempt to have a dialogue with.

I hereby surrender this thread to your...whatever. Have at it.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 09:09 | 2122415 Archduke
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don't blame the french for the lack of good produce abroad.

they yearn to export and eductate others on good culture.

it's the anglo-saxon protectionist domestic lobbies and the

general lack of a discriminating public back home that restricts

the quality.  no sense shipping 1er cru when ruddy englishmen

don't know the difference between a cépage and an appelation.

 

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:13 | 2121272 Cast Iron Skillet
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I dunno ... just had Rahmschnitzel mit Pilzen & Spätzle with a dark beer for dinner ... really good ...

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:58 | 2121394 lotsoffun
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we are in the middle of winter.  you can keep your frigging quiche lorraine.  there's nothing like dutch stamppot or even a yorkshire pudding at times like this.

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 21:13 | 2121894 Oleander
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The calendar may say winter, but my thermostat says spring! 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:02 | 2121018 kato
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Es war, als hätt der Himmel
Die Erde still geküsst,
Dass sie im Blütenschimmer
Von ihm nun träumen müsst.

Die Luft ging durch die Felder,
Die Ähren wogten sacht,
Es rauschten leis die Wälder,
So sternklar war die Nacht.

Und meine Seele spannte
Weit ihre Flügel aus,
Flog durch die stillen Lande,
Als flöge sie nach Haus.

--Joseph von Eichendorff

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:32 | 2121327 earleflorida
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dankbar,... Mit tiefer Dankbarkeit!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 21:40 | 2121939 disabledvet
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You did what to your parakeet? You had fun with Peekaboo Street? What do you mean i have stinky feet? Now watch my sheep go bleet, bleet.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:03 | 2121022 alien-IQ
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Either there's trouble in paradise or the "AAA Club" set a minimum height requirement.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:21 | 2121089 NotApplicable
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You must be this solvent (AAA) to ride.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:27 | 2121107 barliman
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Ssshhhh!

A little known codicil of the E.U. Treaty allows the AAA rated countries to put the AA rated countries under Double Secret Probation.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 21:44 | 2121946 StychoKiller
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Seems like TPTB are arguing amongst themselves.  Guess they never watched "Highlander" -- in the end, there can be only one!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:06 | 2121039 Zola
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This is when you see that the whole situation has degenerated into a tradegy reminiscent of the period of the Kings. Indeed , the King's every word and deed was scrupulously analyzed and political life revolved around who had "captured" the attention and interest of the king, what were the kings' latest interests etc etc. A waive/snub on his part was the pinnacle/dishonor of ones' political life ! I see we have gone back to these idyllic times , parsing and wondering over the actions of clowns who sadly are visiting on us a terrible show.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 06:41 | 2122418 Archduke
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in one critical area it has dramatically improved.  instead of being

commoners bound to landed serfdom, you are free to emmigrate in

europe at will, and thus let the market play its course as the skill

and wage landscape restructures.  you have to think of europe as

one federation, with prosperous centers subsidising poorer areas.

 

you want to know how germany outcompetes other european states?

here's an example: I'm negotiating a contract to join a german energy

trading outfit.  while in deustchland, they speak english both on the

trade floor and in the back office.  their traders, analysts, developers,

and sales come from italy, holland, romania, russia, india, france, etc..

 

I worked in france in front-office for 5 years and despite their insistence

that english was mandatory, I can tell you the level was disappointing.

sure, the traders and senior quants were from diverse backgrounds

and the native french ones were écoliens and at minimum bilingual,

but certainly not the middle or back office analysts and developpers;

and the host of business school middle-management cadres were not.

 

it's clear that europe has to integrate more tightly than ever before.

we're talking about removing the last barriers to fiscal and labour

arbitrage.  migration will be key to survival, and for that challenge

to be met you better shape up in facilitating skilled expatriation.

 

long language schools, contract law, rental flats, and irish pubs.

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:08 | 2121043 barliman
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It must sting like hell to be biotch slapped in public and not be able to do anything about it.

Oh well, Sarkozy needs the practice ... so he'll be ready when ze Germans send him his letter about surrendering control of FrAnce's budget.

barliman

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:08 | 2121046 macholatte
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I fart in your general direction.

-- Nicolas Sarkozy

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:21 | 2121303 EvlTheCat
Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:09 | 2121049 BadKiTTy
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Aha! A secret meeting of the 'inner' inner circle!

Sarko will be bummed that he didn't get an invite - not being part of the the northern elite is going to stick right in his arse....... :)

The start of a euro break away group?

K@

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:10 | 2121052 Rodolfito
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Isn't this just de rigeur politics - the heads of the 4 nations with no money but an AAA rating, snub the other nations with no money and an AA rating. Still its good to see that creepy little asshole Sarko being left out for a change.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:23 | 2121095 NotApplicable
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Merkel, Abassador of Schadenfreude.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:55 | 2121389 lotsoffun
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il gagnez toujours les meilleurs chattes.  ce n'est pas mal ca.  et vin.  et la bonne vie.

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:13 | 2121060 falak pema
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Sarkozy now rebuked by irritated Merkel, who knows what is what and is tired of sharing centre stage with a man on the run who begs her to come support his election campaign. We know who wears the shoe and who is in his underwear in this odd couple. Greece or no Greece, a sheep that is near fleeced behind the scenes is not a wolf. Achtung.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:16 | 2121070 Schmuck Raker
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I still have a morbid desire to see the AAAs 'do a runner'.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:16 | 2121071 Everybodys All ...
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Northern Eruo vs Southern Euro. Is it here where the plan is concocted?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:24 | 2121097 NotApplicable
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One of many. Remember, politics is local.

Civil unrest, coming to a jurisdiction near YOU!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:18 | 2121077 RobotTrader
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Looks like the PigMen keep v-bottoming the SPY in order to inflict the maximum amount of pain on the bears.

 

Yes, the market will experience a clothesline drop eventually, but not before every single bear has been wiped out.

And don't forget that the Facebook IPO will indeed get ramped huge on the first day to suck in all the retail money, and that can only be done when the tape is in a strong uptrend.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:23 | 2121093 slaughterer
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RobotTrader, what is this Schadenfreude with regard to bears lately?  Shouldn't a robot trade its way neutrally both up and down?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:38 | 2121164 alien-IQ
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He was snubbed by a boy in a bear costume at the last NAMBLA convention he visited. He still hasn't gotten over it.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:52 | 2121375 lotsoffun
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robo - you know the drill even if they don't want to hear it.

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:59 | 2121382 AC_Doctor
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Roboroach, if you would have bought silver at $28.00 a month ago you would be up at least 18% in less than a month.

http://www.profilebrand.com/graphics/category/insults/4703_douchebag.gif

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 20:32 | 2121785 EvlTheCat
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What kind of fuck tard are you?  How can a true bear be wiped out if the market is going towards a depression?  You may need to review the difference between a correction and a bear market!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:18 | 2121078 Bunga Bunga
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US? Sorry, AAA only!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:51 | 2121368 lotsoffun
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i'd forgotten.  thanks.

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:18 | 2121079 ziggy59
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maybe Sarcoma will pull a Straus Effect on Merkovitz...

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:18 | 2121080 willien1derland
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OUCH! Merkel throws Sarkozy under the bus...but the Greek deal is about to be signed so why does a 'AAA' credit rating matter? Well, it certainly doesn't matter when ya got Ben Bernacke around - Print, Print & dare I say again Print those GREENBACKS!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:28 | 2121118 mktsrmanipulated
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another fucking meeting

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:33 | 2121140 slackrabbit
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Hey folks...its just goten a whole lot more interesting. Greece has another 15 billion it hasn't told anyone about!

 

Brussels discovers new €15bn black hole in Greece's finances


http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/feb/02/greece-new-black-hole

 

'wheres my money? http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=5777

 

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 18:46 | 2121511 DoChenRollingBearing
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Rat-holin'...

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:33 | 2121143 Bam_Man
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Germany, Luxembourg, Finland and the Netherlands may very well be calling this meeting to discuss leaving the Euro.

Then the remaining (deadbeat) members of the Eurozone can have the ECB print all the money they will ever need. Crisis solved.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:50 | 2121209 LMAO
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For circular arguments' sake,

I don't believe there's much of a chance for that at this point in time. Surely it would be a step in the right direction to end this farce......which again is the reason why chances are slim.

We should not expect the Euro-politicians to do the right thing. 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:17 | 2121288 achmachat
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dude! can you imagine the difficulties of finding a name for that new currency?!

the new-ro?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 21:44 | 2121944 disabledvet
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i've just gotten a heads up on it actually! it's called the "do blow" currency. apparently it's expected to be well recieved in South America as well.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:36 | 2121156 Dick Darlington
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The only AAA countries AND the only countries whose Target 2 balances have skyrocketed. The "leaders" of these remaining AAA's must be scared to shit. Average tax payer has absolutely no clue what their "leaders" have done. There's no public discussions abt Target 2, none. Germany alone is on the hook for over 500 billion through that mechanism. The beneficiaries? Well PIIGS and FrAAnce of course... The amounts these "leaders" have thrown into "saving" the political utopia called euro are enormous and as we know every time there's new paper tiger firewall invented, abt a month later some insolvent country (and it's insolvent banks) are screaming for more. The final collapse of this epic failure will be horrible.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:48 | 2121194 FinHits
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You are absolutely correct. I believe the TARGET 2 balances are supposed to be covered by the ECB Adjusted Capital Key, so the risk sharing goes like this:

 

Member State   Contribution Key  Kingdom of Belgium  3.4666%  Federal Republic of Germany 27.0647% Ireland 1.5874% Kingdom of Spain 11.8679% French Republic 20.3246% Italian Republic 17.8598% Republic of Cyprus 0.1957% Grand Duchy of Luxembourg 0.2497% Republic of Malta 0.0903% Kingdom of the Netherlands 5.6998% Republic of Austria 2.7750% Portuguese Republic 2.5016% Republic of Slovenia 0.4699% Slovak Republic 0.9910% Republic of Finland 1.7920% Hellenic Republic 2.8082% Republic of Estonia 0.2558% Total 100.0000%

However, I don't trust these risk sharing ratios will hold crisis water in the Titanic down-scenario.

Does anybody know whether these four remaining TARGET2 surplus countries Central Banks earn any money on the balances?

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 16:41 | 2121180 sangell
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The catering and limousine service ( and probably prostitution) industries must be thriving in Europe from all the summits, conclaves, emergency meetings of Prime Ministers, Finance Ministers, EU Commissioners and IMF brass.

Why not charter a cruise for them. Captain Schettino could be their leader.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:15 | 2121283 nolla
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Talk about limousine services etc.

Heh, this really IS the Finance Minister of Finland participating that meeting tomorrow:

http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/200901028856550_uu.shtml

No kidding, really.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 06:58 | 2122457 Archduke
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+1MM.  you have to love the hot scandinavian policy cougars.

 

- is anybody else watching the BBC's "Borgen" with interest?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00n047c

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:18 | 2121295 mholzman
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It's election time for Sarkozy in a few months. Merkel later this year. Why anyone would attempt to make sense of anything between Sarkozy and Merkel now is a waste of time unless they grasp who is ahead in popularity and who is not. A shake up there could be more deleterious than a Greek default. 

 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 21:50 | 2121955 disabledvet
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here's a copy of the first camapaign ad of the season..."over there."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmA90nlN5xY&feature=player_detailpage
looks like a feisty beginning!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:27 | 2121317 mayhem_korner
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"There can be no question of putting any country under tutelage."

 

Too bad.  I had a hunkerin' for bratwurst & feta (on a pita with a nice reisling).

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:37 | 2121342 battle axe
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The old joke: "The only people the Europeans hate more then the United States is each other. And everyone hates France." 

Not Great but it gets to the point.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 17:39 | 2121347 DutchMadness
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" The only question remains: who is going to inform Monti and Sarkozy that we will be startng our own NEUE REICHSMARK as from March I ?? " 

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 18:11 | 2121430 sidkof
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my buddy's step-sister makes $68/hour on the internet. She has been without work for 8 months but last month her paycheck was $7255 just working on the internet for a few hours. Go to this web site and read more.. LazyCash9.com

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 18:48 | 2121513 DoChenRollingBearing
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My buddy's step-sister is doing 5 - 7 years for financial fraud...

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 20:32 | 2121783 Dr.Vannostrand
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Your mother makes $5/week doing DVDA scenes behind the WacArnolds on Santa Monica Blvd.

Have a great day!

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 18:24 | 2121474 Sandmann
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It is wonderful that the USA has none of Europe's problems. It is wonderful that US voters do not need to consider over-indebtedness this November nor the fact that they have lived way beyond their means for at least 3 decades because they have made China what it is today

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 18:44 | 2121508 LawsofPhysics
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It is wonderful that Europe has none of America's problems. It is wonderful that Eurozone voters do not need to consider over-indebtedness in this next election nor the fact that they have lived way beyond their means for at least 5 decades because they have allowed America to make China what it is today. - Fixed.  Europeans hate each other more than anyone else and I love the way they tell you all that is wrong with the world while sipping their wine.  We are all in this together bitchez, nothing comes close to the level of european apathy. 

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 04:59 | 2122419 Archduke
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if they get to sip wine and sit back unworried they must be doing something right.

Thu, 02/02/2012 - 21:00 | 2121862 3x2
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Bogus story this...how can you have a European AAA club meeting without inviting EnglAAAnd?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 04:22 | 2122399 Beaver_Valley
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Great BritAAAin is not in the Eurozone so that does not make the story bogus. What DOES make it bogus is that this meeting is reported nowhere in the press - I couldn't even find it on Bloomberg. Horseshit.

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 05:02 | 2122423 Archduke
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doesn't make it bogus.  it wouldn't be the first time ZH's investigative journalism beats others to the story.

but I'll let the editors comment on that. @tyler?

Fri, 02/03/2012 - 00:14 | 2122176 atomic180
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Throw in Austria and you have a deal the un-inflated Euro...

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