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Michael Krieger On The Rebirth Of Barter

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Via Michael Krieger of 'A Lightning War For Liberty' blog,

Justice in the hands of the powerful is merely a governing system like any other. Why call it justice? Let us rather call it injustice, but of a sly effective order, based entirely on cruel knowledge of the resistance of the weak, their capacity for pain, humiliation and misery.
- Georges Bernanos


Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded.
- Senator William Jenner
(1908-1985) U.S. Senator (IN-R)


The Final Act of the Uruguay Round, marking the conclusion of the most ambitious trade negotiation of our century, will give birth – in Morocco – to the World Trade Organization, the third pillar of the New World Order, along with the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund.
- Government of Morocco
April, 1994   Source: New York Times, full page ad by the government of Morocco


The Rebirth of Barter
One of the most important articles I have read this week comes from Forbes contributor Gordon Chang.  In it he states that China is preparing to avoid U.S. sanctions on Iran by paying for oil with gold.  Not only that but he also mentions that China has already been bartering with Iran to get a hold of petroleum.  He states:

So how can Beijing keep both Iran’s ayatollahs and President Obama happy at the same time?  Simple, the Chinese can avoid the U.S. sanctions through barter.  China has already been trading its produce for Iran’s petroleum, but there is only so much gai lan and bok choy the Iranians can eat.  That’s why Iran is also accepting, among other goods, Chinese washing machines, refrigerators, toys, clothes, cosmetics, and toiletries.


The barter trade works, but Iran needs cash too.  As it is being cut off from the global financial system, the next best thing is gold.  So we should not be surprised that in late February the Iranian central bank said it would accept that metal as payment for oil.   Last year, China imported $21.7 billion in Iranian oil and exported $14.8 billion in goods and services.  As the NDAA goes into effect, look for Beijing to ship gold to Iran to make up the difference.

Thus, the leadership in America in its infinite stupidity has actually accelerated the demise of the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency.  After its “kinetic action” in Libya succeeded in toppling the regime there, Washington’s geopolitical hubris grew and it has attempted to muscle Iran into a corner.  Instead, all it has done is alienated our “allies” that need Iranian oil to survive and in the process quickened a move away from the dollar to settle certain transactions.  Read Gordon’s article here.

In a similar move on a more micro level, the government of Spain in a similar desperation has banned the use of cash transactions above 2,500 euros (read this great article here on it).  How do you think citizens are going to respond to this?  People are already in the streets.  They are not pleased with what is going on.  Then the government is going to tell them they can’t use cash amongst themselves so that the authorities can track every single thing they do and bleed them with taxes until they are slaves on a banker plantation.  Everything is going to go black market and to a barter system.  It will happen country by country as governments get increasingly desperate and the authoritarian clamp down continues.  It will happen on an increasing level until all of these house of cards bureaucratic states fail and something new is reborn.  In case you haven’t seen it yet, this one town in Greece is already leading the way. This story outlines what will be a mega trend globally over the next decade.


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Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:32 | 2381318 Whalley World
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At least the good ol usa has some supposed gold coated tungsten.  Jean Cretien sold all of our gold and when Rob Kirby asked him why he sold us out at a business luncheon, the ex PM said "I do not recall that transaction"

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:38 | 2381326 oddjob
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'Dino' was a slimeball of the first order.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 05:43 | 2381902 MeelionDollerBogus
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When you realize just how much gold is in Canada or under control around the world by Canadian mining companies I think you should re-read you comment.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:35 | 2381324 Angus McHugepenis
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Pretty sure that was Rob Ford, the Mayor of Toronto posting above.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:04 | 2381368 Paul Atreides
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Torontonians cringe at the word Ford so much so I think it's hurting the local Ford dealerships in the GTA...

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 21:58 | 2381610 Freddie
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There was video on the net of Montreal cops and student riots over tuition.  The Quebecious cops are pretty tame.  I saw some Toronto cops during a G8 metting or some other riot not that long ago - they are like f****** storm troopers. 

Sucks.  I like Canada and Canadians but I guess the politicians there are just as evil as everywhere else. 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:42 | 2381337 Kaiser Sousa
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Soles I like ur style...adopted the same battle strategy 4 years ago.....
Fuck all bankers and their bitch owned politicians....

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:01 | 2381255 blindman
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listen here.
Snooks Eaglin with George Porter Jr.- Baby Please [2/6]

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:08 | 2381271 Sudden Debt
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America cut off Iran's bank accounts and now Iran can't insure it's oilships anymore.
China is willing to buy the oil as is india and pay for it in gold but they don't want to insure it either.
And Iran won't send oiltankers through Somali pirat sea land because that would give the americans to much of a excuse to sink them.
So Iran can sell but can't insure so it can't sell.
And gold or not, they're left with their oil.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:17 | 2381299 Clint Liquor
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China's Navy is already 'escorting' merchant ships in the Indian Ocean.

China and India need Iranian Oil and they will get it regardless of the sanctions.


Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:08 | 2381378 NotApplicable
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Axis 2.0?

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 17:55 | 2382723 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Axis 2.0?

Yes, they'll be going up against Axis 2.0: the US, Israel, and the NATOadies.


Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:43 | 2381414 Normalcy Bias
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The US Govt has almost reached 'Peak Arrogance.'

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:51 | 2381423 Osmium
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Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:57 | 2381521 Normalcy Bias
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It's very close. Soon, there'll be real resistance from the Chinese or Russians. Who knows when the American people will decide they've had enough...

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 00:44 | 2381760 icanhasbailout
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LOL you ain't seen NOTHING yet. We're only up to coke & hookers, the latter of which may be tossed out of moving US embassy vehicles. Nothing short of of droit de seigneur, and perhaps not even then, will wake the sheep.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 10:45 | 2382165 sethstorm
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Then the logical action is to cause a few accidents on a large scale.  Nothing too large, just enough to tell those countries that the US is in charge.

Worked in the 1990's, and it's likely to work today.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 18:11 | 2382746 TheFourthStooge-ing
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We need more Kool-Aid®, sethstorm just kicked the keg.


Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:44 | 2381338 lakecity55
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The Fed and The City won't stand for it. They'll use their very own NATO army to attack, knowing China will never do anything in retaliat-----------------------------static

Shock Force Ignoble Fiat, come in, over.

Shock Force Ignoble Fiat come in, over.........

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:08 | 2381379 BidnessMan
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What is with the insurance fixation? They will use their own tankers. And India and China are the other way from Somalia once you leave the Straights of Hormuz. Look at a map....

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 22:06 | 2381622 delacroix
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Iran takes delivery of 12 new tankers soon. built in china

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 10:46 | 2382166 sethstorm
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So you get a few leaky & rusty ships built to substandard specifications (compared to the developed world) and they're probably older than time itself.


Sat, 04/28/2012 - 18:36 | 2382771 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ummmm, he did say that they're new tankers.

As far as substandard specifications, I think you'll find that any cheap junk made in China was manufactured to the exact substandard specifications given to them by the outsourcers in the "developed" world. The Chinese are certainly capable of building high quality merchandise, if that's what the customer wants. We don't see it very often in America, though, because American retailers have conditioned us to accept cheap, low quality, throwaway crap.


Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:10 | 2381279 fnordfnordfnord
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Oh we are definitely going to war with Iran. How dare they.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:33 | 2381486 Kayman
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Hark, I think a hear a drum beating.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:20 | 2381297 Paul Atreides
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The US government is also threatening to close India’s access to SWIFT for purchasing Iranian oil. Alternative threats are also being made against long-time ally Japan. This is further evidence of the growing desperation  and the increasing fragility of the fiat dollar.

I think China is a given, they will do what they want to do and purchase oil for gold. They have been trading for thousands of years and nobody is going to tell them who their customers should be. The kicker will be India and Japan if they fold to US pressure the dollars role as a reserve currency will be extended a few short years. BUT if India and/or Japan refused to bow to US pressure and instead continue to purchase oil from Iran without fiat dollars, the days of the US dollar will be severly numbered.


Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:43 | 2381341 bahaar
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Not enough oil in Iran for both China and India.  Plus no pipeline (proposed pipelines have to run through Afghanistan and we know what's going on in that country)

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:00 | 2381364 Paul Atreides
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There will be plenty once the EU stops buying it and they WILL figure out a way to insure and police those ships you can be sure of it!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:49 | 2381348 Kaiser Sousa
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Dollars days r done...India like the rest of the REAL economic powerhouses r already telling broke ass Uncle Scam to fuck off n very plain terms....its game over....better get ur metals while can......

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 21:20 | 2381559 smb12321
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Dollar days are not "done" although it's been predicted for 20 years.  On ZH, countless posts have promised the end of the dollar by _______  (fill in blank).   The decoupling of dollars from the world's economy will not be instantaneous and - not surprisingly to any well-seasoned traveler - is not popular.  Africa, Latin America or south Asia (even in Europe) still want the dollar (as opposed to any other currency). It's the default currency. 

Now, whether it should be is another matter.  But like the many prophecies of immediate catastrophe (by next month at the latest - LOL) the death of the dollar, while inevitable, is not predictable.   And though I love silver or gold, they will not replace the dollar.  That will be another currency the world gradually agrees upon.


Fri, 04/27/2012 - 22:15 | 2381632 Paul Atreides
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Dollar days are not "done" although it's been predicted for 20 years. 

The dollars days are numbered and that number is no more then 1000.

On ZH, countless posts have promised the end of the dollar by _______  (fill in blank).  

That's because we on ZH are trying our best to figure out what day that is so we can be prepared.

The decoupling of dollars from the world's economy will not be instantaneous and - not surprisingly to any well-seasoned traveler - is not popular. 

On the contrary the Federal Reserve is exporting inflation globally monetizing their debt and the globe is sick of it.

Africa, Latin America or south Asia (even in Europe) still want the dollar (as opposed to any other currency). It's the default currency. 

Well South Africa is part of the BRICS and they want nothing to do with the dollar, as for south asia they are sick of having to convery every trade into dollars and loose money so they are all forming bi-lateral currency agreements. Latin America is in close proximity to the US but is sick of their interference and regime jacking BS so you can count them out. Just look at the recent Americas Summit, read about it here.

Now, whether it should be is another matter.  But like the many prophecies of immediate catastrophe (by next month at the latest - LOL) the death of the dollar, while inevitable, is not predictable.   And though I love silver or gold, they will not replace the dollar. 

Gold WILL become the new global reserve currency, why do you think all the CB's around the world are loading up on it?

That will be another currency the world gradually agrees upon.

It will be a basket of currencies with gold at the top of the list.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 22:45 | 2381661 WallowaMountainMan
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That will be another currency the world gradually agrees upon.


Alternatively the world governments/central banks will agree soto voce to maintain world paper$ in a range that effectively creates one world currency. they want to take back to the throne of power from the 'bond vigilantes', those folks being the ones who decided that over time, they could destroy countries at will by setting the 'win/lose' scenario around the % of debt/gdp. Since that game would eventually end government/central bank power alliance, the govs/central banks will stop it. Non floating 'floating' currencies should do the trick.

Of course, this is just a guess from a newbie to this fascinating world of zh, but at least it is a guess whose accuracy even i can follow with my simple math. :)


p.s. if they ever agree to maintain a set amount of world paper$ in circulation, ... well, that's just another theory of mine.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 00:43 | 2381759 Zero Debt
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to maintain world paper$ in a range in relationship to each other, but not to commodities, that effectively creates one world currency

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 09:58 | 2382086 WallowaMountainMan
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that was the what i was trying to say but did not related that to commodities (or more generally 'needs/desires')....i thought paul a. was suggesting that a currency named 'something' would be adopted and replace all dollar, yen franc, etc.  the politics of that are impossible, but it seems the govs/central banks could just decide to did it amongst themselves, without the 'real' world agreeing to it.

thoughts about the effect on the 'bond vigilantes'?


thanks for the comment.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:50 | 2381350 Kaiser Sousa
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Dollars days r done...India like the rest of the REAL economic powerhouses r already telling broke ass Uncle Scam to fuck off n very plain terms....its game over....better get ur metals while can......

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 23:34 | 2381712 cranky-old-geezer
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if India and/or Japan refused to bow to US pressure and instead continue to purchase oil from Iran without fiat dollars, the days of the US dollar will be severly numbered.

Yes, that's exactly how it'll play out. 

America cutting nations off from the dollar because they trade with Iran is the dumbest thing.   They're simply pushing nations into the arms of China and Russia.

China is now able to supply pretty much any sort of product another nation needs, and Russia can supply all the military stuff another nation needs.

As America gets more arrogant (read: desperate) and pushes more nations away from the dollar, those nations will simply start dealing with China and Russia, and the asian alliance will grow larger and larger.


Sat, 04/28/2012 - 10:53 | 2382182 sethstorm
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Kind of hard for China to do that if the US is able to cause countries to have  a voluntary or forcible rejection of China by their own people. 

The only things that Third World (and Second World) nations provide are cannon fodder for the US and First World nations that oppose them.  It has been proven time and again with various forms of military hardware.

Once the US is willing to play hardball with the Third World, things will settle down real quick.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 03:05 | 2381835 Non Passaran
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Watch out for China becoming a source of oil for Japan (wink, wink).
It's true the decision is stupid, but the Obama administration specializes in those and besides they have less and less choice

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:26 | 2381310 cougar_w
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I find it somehow reassuring to find that the Law of Unintended Consequences is still in effect.

Add that one to the usual Laws of Thermodynamics and you get an idea how completely, totally, and irrevocably fucked things are about to become.

Reality. Always. Wins.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:35 | 2381323 Whalley World
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Thermonuclear dynamics!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:33 | 2381319 bahaar
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And this is the first time that part of the world bartered?   Before the fall of Soviet Union, they used to barter with all their allies and non-aligned countries like India.  US $ didn't disappear.  Also don't be so sure of value of gold.  James Cameron, Larry Page and co. are going to mine asteroids for minerals.  And one of the asteroid is loaded with Pt.  Now Au sits right next to Pt on periodic table.  Chances are, another asteroid is loaded with gold.  Thats QEinfinity for gold backed currency. 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:15 | 2381386 Pladizow
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Yes and then we'll all paint ourselves blue and go to Avatar world!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:35 | 2381489 donsluck
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Timing is everything. Too early to worry about asteroids.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:37 | 2381491 Kayman
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It is going to take a lot of gold to get space gold.  And anyway, what will you do when you double up on the supply ?

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 21:29 | 2381569 smb12321
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The only reason the world needs the US is for our patents (still a majority), world currency, leadership (yes, it's still there), catastrophe response (China compares to Biden) and technology. Besides, that, we're not needed.  LOL

There is a reason barter was replaced by currency - ease, permanence, ability to adjust, , but most important, as a substitute when the party had nothing to offer. Barter is VERY popular with those chomping at the bit for total destruction (the survivalists) but as a model for modern prosperity it's pretty lame.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 05:34 | 2381900 MeelionDollerBogus
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There's a reason a FEW particular barter-goods were chosen as money - not currency but money - like silver, gold, copper - and there's a SECOND reason why paper took over (and then electrons).

Electrons are merely a proxy for paper, accepted as both have nearly equal value close to zero far divorced from the claimed time/resource value one can have with a "unit" aka dollar.

Metal money, however, is actually money and not just currency, reflecting real value because you really use them for non-monetary means.

Markets over time chose metals.

People under the force of a GUN used paper. Many didn't want to do so but had little choice. First the lie was put that equal conversion was possible at any time, then some realized it was a lie, then all promises of conversion were revoked AND ownership of gold was even made illegal in the USA.

That's the reason. It's called money-laundering.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 05:30 | 2381898 MeelionDollerBogus
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gold, silver, platinum and palladium move together in currency terms in ways that reflect their true need by supply with a little modulation for preferred currency inverse-manipulation.

And yet you are arguing not to expect gold to "go to the moon" by arguing platinum will LITERALLY be harvesed from asteroids far BEYOND the actual literal physical moon?


Just think about that for a second, think about the total inversion of not only logic but spatial reasoning and poetic implication of the very notion.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 08:59 | 2382017 Bicycle Repairman
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"James Cameron, Larry Page and co. are going to mine asteroids for minerals."

Put the science fiction comic book down.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 22:01 | 2382987 TheFourthStooge-ing
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bahaar said:

James Cameron, Larry Page and co. are going to mine asteroids for minerals.

The only thing they're going to end up mining will be the wealth of gullible investors.


Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:38 | 2381327 lakecity55
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Let's roll.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:39 | 2381332 bahaar
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So according to this article US threatens Iran because US is stupid and brainless?  On the contrary, US is posturing on behalf of Saudi Arabia.  The true rivalry in the ME is between Iran and Saudis (Ancient Shia/Sunni, Zorastrian/Muslim, Persian/Arab rivalry).  And US (as well as the world) knows that Saudi oil fields are much much bigger than Iran's.  So if one has to pick sides, which side do you think anyone will pick?) 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 22:08 | 2381625 Milestones
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Up, and they are far more empty.           Milestones

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:54 | 2381342 ekm
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Finally somebody like Krieger is confirming what I've been saying.

Infinite printing of money leads to only two conclusions:

- Hyperinflation - If the people use the money

- Rejection of the excessive money, hence Barter - If people cannot absorb more debt (debt = currency nowadays).

The second is happening. All bilateral agreements between BRIC countries and China and other countries are basically Barter.

It does not mean that RMB will become the world currency. World currency means "reserve currency". Nobody is accepting RMB as reserve currency, only that copper, crude oil, grains, gold, silver, platinum, refrigerators, toiletry are the currency.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:07 | 2381376 Paul Atreides
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I hope it stays that way, you can't print gold, grains and goods. Anything paper or electronic can be manipulated.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:17 | 2381389 NotApplicable
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Tungsten says otherwise, not to mention the Crimex (especially now that all the MFG stand-for-delivery folks have been eliminated).

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:15 | 2381384 NotApplicable
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I'd say that both are happening. Part of hyperinflation is the rejection of the currency as it becomes ever more obvious that it cannot hold value over time. Before it's rejected outright though, prices inflate as sellers demand an ever growing premium to compensate for the guaranteed risk of loss over time. Then they run right out and spend it, paying an even higher premium, and poof! money velocity approaches infinite speed as no one wants to hold this hot, hot potato.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:38 | 2381408 ekm
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I think hyperinflation is happening in few pockets like food and energy, but if it goes 50/50 (50% less cash for people and food and energy pricess go higher by 50%-theoretically), that would lead to all americans having food stamps.

Now, I have lived in such a sytem from 1984 to 1990 in Eastern Europe. The difference is: Americans have guns. Revolution would explode immediately and Bernake could go into exile - to Iran, Lybia or North Pole.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:19 | 2381390 blindman
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people are so easily led to their termination-demise, it starts
with compliance and conformity to anything that looks
sexy or arrogant, effluent or flowing in fashion ,
fascistic or fan tastic; anything that seems fa
vor-able ... morphine for the masses, the boomer doomer !
where is that doctor kevorkian? when you need him?
"..Dr. Jack Kevorkian was known as "Dr. Death" since at least 1956, when he conducted a study photographing patients' eyes as they died. Results established that blood vessels in the cornea contract and become invisible as the heart stops beating. In a 1958 paper, he suggested that death row inmates be euthanized, and their bodily organs harvested. In 1960, he proposed using condemned prisoners for medical experiments." ..
repeal legal tender, end the fed.
Otis Spann - T'Aint Nobody's Business If I Do
good night.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:26 | 2381395 headless blogger
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kevorkian suffered for years with kidney disease, but never 'euthanized' himself. He was used to condition the public into supporting legal killing. As such, most Americans (about 90% by the 'media' polls) supported the mass murder of Iraqis.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 22:16 | 2381633 blindman
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i would not put the blame on jack, look to the petrodollar
and the heartless abundance of stupidity, rampant among our
media and most celebrated unconscious leadership, never mind the
sheep. morphine doesn't fix anything for long.
we don't have a population problem we have an abundance of stupidity

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 23:20 | 2381701 ekm
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Media personnel gets paid to be stupid. A journalist will write whatever the boss allows him to write. That's their income, writing whatever the boss tells them to write about.

I wouldn't blame them. Everybody needs some income.

That's why we love Zerohedge: No censure. Everybody has an opinion. God bless ZH.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 09:21 | 2382045 blindman
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i think you have just discovered a fundamental problem.
when we have a culture that publicly rewards stupidity
and actually degrades and mocks the intellectual aspect
the population then practices stupidity at home in
preparation/anticipation of a highly rewarded position of being a
famous public idiot, like on t.v.! recently rev. billy
commented that if you scratch the surface of americans
underneath you will find an evangelical of some kind.
i would say underneath you will find a pilgrim with
no space to settle, become an actor or potential media
personality developing their above mentioned skill set
and coming soon to an internet video blog near you.
but that is all sorts of cynical and mean spirited so
i think i might stop scratching the surface for a while.
1.) rev. billy recently conducted an exorcism of the blythe,
i don't think it worked? we will see.
2.) there are many wonderful video blogs too, fact.
3.) god bless you too

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 11:54 | 2382274 ekm
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A human being is born as a knowleadgeable one (homo sapiens) and as a religious one (homo religious), but above all, a human being is born FREE.

Each one has the following FREE CHOICES:

- Do not use knowledge (stupid)

- Use the knowledge

- Good use

- Bad use

- Use religion

- Good use

- Bad use

- Do not use religion

- Good no use

- Bad no use

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:20 | 2381391 headless blogger
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The SHTF right after Obama is "re-elected" (by the Elites). Even if Romney has more votes, Obama WILL win. Not that I care; both are psycho suck-up self-servering egos to Elites.

Once again Kreiger hits the nails right on. Except there is always that worry that the Elites have more up their sleeve than we can even know. They will never go into the night quietly.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:33 | 2381487 holdbuysell
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And Ron Paul earns more than 20% of the vote, starting a questioning of the status quo among the public.

Black swan?

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 21:04 | 2381532 Hubbs
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Really the election boils down to Ron Paul or anyone else.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:49 | 2381420 Apostate2
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Black Market

Sneak around the corner

Budapester Strasse

Black Market

Peek around the corner

“La Police qui passe” 


Come! I’ll show you things you cannot get elsewhere

Come! Make with the offers and you’ll get your share

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:11 | 2381454 Decolat
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I worked with a lady from Sarajevo, who enjoyed the war in the 90's. She said cigarettes became like money, and you could buy a car with them, or anything you wanted. With cigarettes. 

Now that, is barter.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 22:15 | 2381631 toady
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Just like prison!

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:00 | 2381434 bahaar
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India MOST DEFINITELY don't want yet another nuclear armed Islamic state on their border.  Neither does China.  Pl remember, Israel is not the only one who's threatened by Islamists.  All non-muslim countries in that region suffer.  Phillipines, Thailand, India, Russia, CAE and even China.  So they'll keep barter or whatever to the minimum.  And I find this theory of India,China and other Asian countires uniting under one umbrella, rather laughable.  Every country in Asia is at each other's throat  over water.  Oil war is a distant second.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 05:19 | 2381896 MeelionDollerBogus
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A thought. Just one. Just let it roll around in your head a little. Give it no credence then move on.

10 years from now look at it again in sheer terror.

There's all the energy in the world needed to pump in clean sea-water and use nukes to desalinate. Of course that's a nuclear-regime that would be multinational and very much not involving the USA - maybe even getting some water from this area as there's a little problem with Fukushima for oh... forever.

Now, Asia won't ally itself as one force against... anyone, right? Right.

These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along, move along.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:02 | 2381438 Decolat
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I like the headline picture, that could totally be me. 


It won't matter how high or low on the ladder you're at right now, the clever, hard working ones out there will do just fine in the years ahead, without resorting to the schemes and immorality of the sociopaths. Gather your wits and get ahead of the curve now. You can see where we're headed. What will you have to offer when we get there?

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:08 | 2381448 jomama
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i'm amazed the douchebag feds haven't cracked down on craigslist bartering yet.

probably because they haven't figured out how.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 05:15 | 2381893 MeelionDollerBogus
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You got it in one - so to speak. You can track down every trade and trader and physically stop the transaction, the barter, but the point is not to expose the system by causing total panic where even barter is illegal - but to discourage people from it with sheeple incentives. The moment the cage bars are VISIBLE the MATRIX is busted.

The moment the sleepers awaken the Matrix CRASHES.

End-game is VERY very close now.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:27 | 2381463 q99x2
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Same as in WWII. Instead of Nazis we have NWOrderians. Here in America we call them the Banksters and their minions: bribed and corrupt politicians, TSA, NSA, DHS and so on. They should be called and seen as what they are Nazis and Terrorists. The Financial Terrorists in the US are the same group that overran Greece and now Spain. They will take a country down one at a time until the countries begin to fight the Terrorists all at once.

The Arabs, Europeans and Americans and Austrailians need to know the list of Terrorists that they are all fighting so when the time comes to round up, those on the list, the NWO will end abruptly. It is a very short list.

Invert the Pyramid. Technology, Referendum, Open Source Currency Peace and Prosperity

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 21:53 | 2381599 margaris
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no, NWO cant be Nazi.

NWO is Exactly what hitler was fighting against.

But it got out of hand....

History is a mess.......and is written by the winner.

Look what happens if you force many proud nations into the EU (NWO-PRISON)
...only way to escape EURO-SOCIALISM is for every member to become a sovereign NATION again.....

Without the SOCIALISM.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 23:27 | 2381681 i-dog
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Sat, 04/28/2012 - 00:16 | 2381682 i-dog
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"we need to know the list of Terrorists"

We're not fighting a group of individuals -- we're fighting an ideology. In that sense, any that are removed from the top will be quickly replaced by others eager to take their place. We need to expose, discredit, and eliminate the ideology!

The ideology is Luciferianism -- the idea of rule by the self-appointed "smartest", or "enlightened ones". It has its roots in Talmudic Judaism, but has since spread through the Jesuits, Freemasons, Illuminati and, more recently, the Rhodes Round Table (with its recruited Rhodes Scholars) and its successors -- the Bilderbergers, CFR and Trilaterals.

Though it sounds reasonable at first sight -- particularly to the many who seek to be ruled rather than to be free and independent -- rule by "the smartest" is just another form of elitist central planning. It is no less susceptible to corruption, hubris and nepotism than any other form of "government", whether by pharoahs or kings, dictators or demagogues.

Until this evil ideology is exposed for what it is -- a central planning clique that has the hubris to suggest that they can direct all activities on the planet -- the idiot serfs will continue to run around, like headless chickens, variously blaming and chasing either the bankstas, joos, micks, ragheads, rich, poor, boomers, youth, politicians, media, educators or students. The clique includes members of ALL of those groups and is headed at the top by entirely replaceable elected representatives of their peers in the planning committees.

Stop trying to find "someone" to blame and look at the "idea" that is at the root ... then strike the root!

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 20:00 | 2382858 Angus McHugepenis
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Christ, I got a hard-on reading that. Absolutely beautiful post. I need to copy it and send it to all the sheep that I actually still care about.


Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:19 | 2381466 adr
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Barter in America:

"Can you grow food, or do you have any? I'll trade you an iPhone for some food."

"No I wouldn't know what to do with a garden. I'll trade you a 55" Samsung TV for some food."

"Dude I don't have any food, that's why I was asking to trade my iPhone. I think there is a guy in the next town that has a farm. We'll go there."

"Hey Mr. FARMER GUY. Uh we don't have any food and we're hungry. We have a nice TV, Phone , and other great stuff we'll trade for food."

Farmer: "I don't need any of that stuff, however here's a shotgun and I'll trade that look on your faces for seeing your ass running away."

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 00:36 | 2381755 cherry picker
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I like your post, but in Canada and I suspect the USA farmers are a rare breed.  It is the corporation that rules with thousands of acres and equipment that costs more than homes.

Your likely to be observed by a camera or drone and greeted by armed security or a tank if things get that bad.  The "farmer" will probably be the fellow standing beside you. :)

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 11:00 | 2382188 sethstorm
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Followed by one dead farmer that thought he could take on a few people that ended up with an entire farm in exchange.

Arrogance has its price, and unfortunately the farmer paid it by thinking he could outdo desperation.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:23 | 2381469 Jim in MN
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Buh-Bye Spain


Spanish unemployment hits record 5.64 million

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:45 | 2381503 rsnoble
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I have tax bills running out my fucking ears now!!!  Fuck them all.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 22:46 | 2381663 TapperIsTicked
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Did they send the dozen or so new fees along with it to wash it down?

Someone's going to choke on it. Time will tell who.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:47 | 2381506 tony bonn
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jim willie has been reporting on the iran-china deals for some time and that story is just a sidebox in a much longer treatise. it is hard to know if the bush crime syndicate led rockefeller axis of evil is over reaching or if the chicoms are in with them......

in any event, the totalitarian bcs and rae are the most terroristic organizations on the planet....their minions in government, academia, and business are creating a hell on earth. we will have to endure this wickedness for 15 more years.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:47 | 2381507 tony bonn
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jim willie has been reporting on the iran-china deals for some time and that story is just a sidebox in a much longer treatise. it is hard to know if the bush crime syndicate led rockefeller axis of evil is over reaching or if the chicoms are in with them......

in any event, the totalitarian bcs and rae are the most terroristic organizations on the planet....their minions in government, academia, and business are creating a hell on earth. we will have to endure this wickedness for 15 more years.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 21:01 | 2381525 Hubbs
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How are the EBTers going to barter?  They produce. nothing.


I have seen increasing numbers of them flashing the "patriotic" red white and blue cards at the check out. The problem is, even when they are getting free food, they still need to get the cashier to show them how to use it--nothing like bringing the food trough right up to these peole and then having to spoon feed them as well.


So which is it? Is there a sudden increase in new people getting EBT cards and still unfamiliar how to collect free money with it, or are these people that fucking stupid that they still can't peck in their PIN?


Just finished reading Patriots, A Novel of the Coming Collapse bt James Wesley, Rawles, now half way through his latest, "Survivors".


This country is toast.  Anyone want to go in on some land with me in the Redoubt?






Fri, 04/27/2012 - 21:10 | 2381541 skipjack
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Cash every check you get.  Declare it as income where appropriate, so the government brown shirts don't cart away your ass.  You are then free to use the cash to buy whatever it is you want, and it's unknown to Uncle Sam what you did with that money.  Fuck them all.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 07:32 | 2381952 ZeroPoint
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Not quite that simple. If they ever find an excuse to raid your home, and they find the cash, they are going to take unless you can prove where it came from. So make sure you keep a book of transaction receipts right next to your stacks.

I suppose though if it gets really bad, they will just take the cash anyway.



Fri, 04/27/2012 - 21:21 | 2381563 Unprepared
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Now I feel proud my home country, Morocco, gave birth to the 3rd child of the NWO.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 21:27 | 2381568 illadeljim
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Not a world war, not a major war, but a major catastrophic event will likely put the U.S. back into the global driver's seat. It could involve Pakistain and India, or Japan and North Korea, or Iran and Israel. It will happen in the next 1-3 yrs and some big city will get wiped off the map.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 22:02 | 2381617 margaris
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maybe one of james camerons asteroids will fall out of orbit because of some google glitch.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 22:28 | 2381643 toady
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That's the first thing I thought when I heard about that astroid mining stuff.

These asshats are gonna mess up and crash one into Toledo...

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 19:48 | 2382841 Angus McHugepenis
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Toledo?... would anyone notice if it happened? It might actually improve the landscape around there.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 23:42 | 2381721 i-dog
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"likely put the U.S. back into the global driver's seat"

Those days are over!

The US had its chance ... and blew it! It [inevitably] blew it through the hubris to believe it would continue for ever without putting in any effort (other than coercion) to maintain it.

The UK was its predecessor and, like America, thought it could maintain its empire simply through military (naval) superiority. The Americans took the manufacturing from them, through hard work and innovation, and the empire began crumbling soon after, unable to afford the military without a means of competitive production of goods to be purchased by others.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 21:59 | 2381611 bankruptcylawyer
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kreiger. excellent post. very nicely done. i am the first to be a critical asshole so,  coming from me....


keep them coming and good luck out in the midwest or wherever you are. you're making brooklyn proud. 



Fri, 04/27/2012 - 22:26 | 2381639 cherry picker
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It's funny.  All my life I paid for one form of taxes or another, yet except for roads, fire departments, a hospital here or there, police ( if they are around when you need them) and the public school system, I really haven't used or wanted any of the so called "services" the government offers and I help pay for.

There are millions collecting food stamps as the manufacturing and agricultural base virtually vanished due to technology and cheaper offshore labor.

The USA largely exists providing services from one non productive paper pusher to the next.  All these services are not required for survival and it is surprising how many work in the private and public sector to satisfy regulatory requirements..

With all the bullshit going on in this world, what really happened is we evolved our way out of mom and pop shops, self imployemt and so forth into a society of people with fancy titles and degrees and no purpose.

Sad isn't it?


Sat, 04/28/2012 - 19:44 | 2382836 Angus McHugepenis
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I applaud you with a conservative "golf clap". Well said. I can't believe some asshole actually junked you.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 22:31 | 2381644 Yes_Questions
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So, an exchange of goods/services for like value not denominated in fiats.

I can tell you the work/compensation exchange with my current employer has decoupled unfavorably in fiathunderdome.

Never fear, I am doing something about it and the company is small, so, it does not have to end on a negative note.

Pun Intended.

Fortunately in the short term, negotiating for appropriate $pay one can leverage tangible aspects of a barter to revise northward one's current $pay.





Fri, 04/27/2012 - 22:33 | 2381645 bugs_
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The micro economy is correctly viewing the macro as a disease.

The micro is gradually becoming resistant to the macro.

Barter is one way of fighting against the disease.

Perhaps one day a mutated strain of micro will appear that is completely resistant to the macro.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 23:07 | 2381687 gwar5
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Currency Wars 2.0.... 

I read about the China gold-for-oil when they announced, BRICs are sticking together against the FED MENACE. I think China is set to do this June 28th. The real bitch slap  to the FED is that China can dump USD all day long for the gold to make it happen. Bullish for gold.

I don't think China plans on sending actual gold tonnage out of their vaults, per se. Btw, the price of gold that China privately gets for said oil transactions may well be at a much higher premium than our daily squid-manipulated spot quotes. Somebody needs to Wikileak it. Gold is showing it's true value as a strategic international Freedom Currency.  

Jim Sinclair just said ( interview) we will end up with three currency blocs: USD, EURO, and the CNY (BRICS).  Yes... he thinks the EUR and USD will survive and muddle on indefinitely as international currrencies, despite being insolvent. While the interviewer didn't specifically ask Jim, it was implied this is possible because the West would move back to some form of gold standard.  

BRICs could already team up and kill the USD with a resource backed currency, as Rickards has already suggested. They only lack a convertable currency. Sinclair thinks that problem is overcome in 2015. 

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 23:51 | 2381730 nick howdy
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Sir, the "winner" is the one who finishes first ..Not always best...


Funny isn't it that Germany was #2..



Sat, 04/28/2012 - 01:18 | 2381785 gwar5
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I know exactly what you mean.  TPTB say lots of Western "gold" is still there, allegedly at least, somewhere.  Many, especially Rickards, have suggested the West just go ahead and use our gold superpower status to create honest money again. Better to do that now instead of having to pull one out of our ass when everything has fallen apart.  


The complete obtuseness of the West on this subject suggests that there may be problems lurking with the Western gold and with our purported gold superpower status. The true honest sovereign gold holdings are pretty much state secrets, and unknowns, hence, the global game of chicken.

WEST: To wit, US gold has not been audited and, brushing aside the tungsten rumors, there are real problems with quality and amount of the purported 8300 tons of gold suitable for "good delivery".  Also, German gold, and other Euro gold, is not held within their own countries and may have multiple claims on the same gold mixed around by the bullion banks, perhaps 100:1. In fact, most of the gold claimed to be held by the huge ETF GLD may not even exist.

BRICS: India actually has more gold that the US and Europe combined, with about 18,000 tons, when individually owned gold is taken into account (ZH article last week). Amount of China gold held is top secret, but thought to be at least three times their stated 1000-1500K tons, perhaps way more, since they have prized gold for over 2000 years, in isolation. China is also now the world's largest producer, exporting none. Russia is the world's largest oil exporter, black gold, which can be used to back a currency. Ready for a Petro-Ruble or Petro-Yuan?  Brazil exports really hot women.

When the Western elites decided to shut down development of our resources they were shutting down our way of life. Current situation is not a stunner. Our oil, gas, and coal are worthless because they are off limits. Even if we go to a gold standard without anything to trade, our gold will be redeemed and flown East ASAP.


Sat, 04/28/2012 - 14:02 | 2382433 Cathartes Aura
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nationstates are fictions, believed in and maintained by "nationals" who identify with their prison colours and flavours - but those who currently pull the many strings have no imaginary lines drawn on the world maps in their minds - they operate with no boundary limits, and it would your mind a service to do the same. . .

(no offense meant, but seriously, try it on for size)

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 01:47 | 2381807 jimmyjames
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How long can a gold for oil trade last?

Something consumable for something of scarce supply-

Will they sell oil/gasoline to consumers for gold?

If not--it's a pipe dream-

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 03:22 | 2381843 ebworthen
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There will a concerted effort to eliminate currency and precious metals.

The only escape may be to become Amish.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 03:57 | 2381855 Setarcos
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I have just come across a (in my view) brilliant book by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui,  "Unrestricted Warfare" ... actually excerpts from it.

Though I have yet to fully read  I have read sufficient to convince me that it provides important insights into Chinese strategy, e.g. why the PTB in Beijing are not seeking 'conventional' military means to gain global influence ... and the book was endosed by the PTB.

Casual, short-attention-span readers are not likely to read even as much as I so far have, but others may have a the same "wow" experience I had from reading the openings, which include distinctions between science and the technologies which appeal to the masses as consumer products.

My note:  There is the science which led to the production of plastics, as compared with the technology of producing Barbie Dolls.

There is the science of nuclear physics, compared with the technology of atomic weapons and nuclear power stations.

In any case, try reading  for a possible insight into the Chinese way about going for dominance/destroying Washington hegemony by mostly peaceful means.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 04:15 | 2381867 magpie
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They can't do real capital controls, because it would implode their basic EU integration/globalization premise.

So they go after the "cash transactions", which clearly gives a boost to other surveillance/taxation/anti bank-run options.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 05:58 | 2381906 ConfederateH
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But you can't eat barter.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 06:34 | 2381929 nick howdy
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Don't worry folks I've been preparing for this day with my silver backed currency....

NWO is coming...that's Nick's World Order. I'm gonna "chip" everybody to!

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 07:33 | 2381953 Badabing
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" but Iran needs cash too.  As it is being cut off from the global financial system, the next best thing is gold."

Thats a joke, Right?

gold the next best thing, dont be brainwashed!

golds the first best thing!!

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 08:09 | 2381978 AnAnonymous
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Quite surprising that US citizens, while being champions of consumption, have no idea of the magnitude of their own consumption. That is maybe why they keep comparing themselves to midgets.

Iran being bartered for gold by China? How much? 10 billion? 100 billion? 1 trillion?

Even with the last option, the USD world reserve currency is not endangered.

US citizens have worked well. The USD fortress is impregnable.

Once again, only two threats:

-that the countries that are the foundations of the USD ponzi, decide to quit. Very unlikely as you dont leave an extortion scheme by slamming the door and waving goodbye.

-that those countries run out of tangibles to sell against USD. This is the only plausible cause for the loss of USD status. It will decline as goods to be traded around the world decline in volumes.

It is even unsure that US of A politicians could abdicate the status themselves. Too much inertia.

The US citizen ship is bound to destination.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 12:08 | 2382283 akak
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More hypocriticality and contradictorialness from our Chinese citizenism troll!  Make me chuckle!

"I am a Chinese Citizenism citizen --- do as I say, not as I do!"

China, now being #1 world polluter and consumer of natural resources, must point finger everywhere but at itself.  Paid Central Committee dishwasher trolls must be sent onto internet to propagandize against US and in favor of rampant Chinese blobbing-up of metals and timber and suchlike resources.  Extreme environmental destruction in Chinese homeland must be hushed-up and denied. Running dog imperialism against Tibet and soon Taiwan must be denied.  3000 year history of vicious Chinese authoritarianism must be denied.  Tens of millions of Chinese citizens killed by idiotic and sociopathic Mousy Tongue dreams of "Great Leaps into Starvation" must be denied.

Such is the eternal dishonest nature of malignant nosepicking Chinese algebraic coconutism.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 19:21 | 2382820 Angus McHugepenis
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Change a few words around and the name of the country and you can pretty much describe any government in the world. They just go about it in different ways.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 21:06 | 2382923 ekm
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Any gov in the world reflects the people holding the gov up.

Ancient greeks invented the word "tyrant". The process involved an assembly to choose a king, in order to.......oppress them.

In communism, we gave right to the Communist party to oppress us.....until 1990 when everybody was having food stamps, about 400 million people from East Berling over to USSR's pacific coast.

In North Korea, north koreans have given right to the Kims and Yongs and whoever to oppress them down to starvation.

USA started as land where people who despised oppression, particularly religious oppression, went to do whatever they wanted. That's why USA does not have an.......official language, since INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM used to be the official language of USA.

Currently, americans are in limbo and will have to soon make a decision whether they want to choose:

- Going forward by re-asserting the roots of individual freedom

- Going backward by being chinisified = assuming voluntary servitude.

It will start in Nov.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 12:58 | 2382350 ekm
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Americans have turned over many systems since the establishment of the republic and and each time the conclusion has been individual freedom.

Whereas chinese have been quite inclined to love authoritarianism all over the history. Current status of most of chinese mentality is 'voluntary servitude'.

Disclosure: I am not american, I am just a realist.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 14:10 | 2382445 Cathartes Aura
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@ ekm,

Americans have turned over many systems since the establishment of the republic and and each time the conclusion has been individual freedom.

really?  I'm struggling to find the truth of this statement - perhaps you can point to the date, the last time "Americans" turned over a system that resulted in "individual freedom" for all who labour under the "American" tag?

I consider myself a "realist" as well. . .

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 17:04 | 2382670 ekm
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To keep it very short:

- Isn't it obvious?

- Tell me another country that is prosperous, strong and constitutionally promotes the right to bear fire arms?

Bearing of fire arms is the most important piece of the US constitution that basically makes it almost impossible to subdue an individual and a nation unless......the individuals and the nation wants to be subdued (enter China).

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 19:09 | 2382803 Cathartes Aura
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this gun thing, so far all they're used on is family members or in neighbourhood "disputes" or for spraying crowds in anger.

I have seen zero use of guns of "liberation" nor do I believe that when the .gov & it's military support is ready, that they won't jump at the opportunity to use their inventions - including biowarfare, which is in use now, and has a long history in amrka.

no hand guns or AKs or personal arsenals compare with the weaponry of state. all they need do is poison the water supply. . . fini.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 19:30 | 2382826 ekm
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That one, neither Stalin nor Hitler did it.

That's going too, too far with your imagination.

Theoretically, anything is possible, even throwing a nuke on your own people for that matter. But, it's all imaginative. That is too, too, too far.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 21:54 | 2382980 Cathartes Aura
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are you disputing the link, or claiming I "imagine" these things done to humans on behalf of nationstates?

Agent Orange.  tested on Vietnam peoples, coming to amrka's cornbelt (FOOD SUPPLY) if Dow gets it's way

Man-made super-flu could kill half humanity

A genetic study showed that the new, dangerous strain had only five mutations compared to the original one, and all of them were earlier seen in the natural environment – just not all at once. Fouchier’s strain is as contagious as the human seasonal flu, which kills tens of thousands of people each year, but is likely to cause many more fatalities if released.

The December 2005 Popular Science Magazine discussed a plan to use an oil slick to stop hurricanes without noting the adverse environmental impacts of the oil used to cover the ocean. Popular Science also noted that a private company, Dyn-O-Mat had been conducting “…early trials. In July 2001, Dyn-O-Mat engineers dumped 8,000 pounds of their Dyn-O-Mat Gel (capable of absorbing 4,000 tons of water), over a small thunderstorm near the Florida coast. Within minutes the storm disappeared from Doppler weather radar…” When this toxic secret chemical drops into the ocean or over land what are the environmental effects? Who is studying what happens to marine life, crops, soils, and drinking water supplies when this chemical mixes with rainfall on the ground?

whether you want to acknowledge or "believe" that there are technologies created by gov't that could wipe out whole swathes of humans at a time doesn't make it only exist in my "imagination" - sadly.

I'll just ask you to consider Saddam Hussein's weaponised "gas" used against the Kurd peoples (and do your own research as to where he "acquired" these "ingredients"). . .

Nanotech Weaponry

lastly, a link on the history of "bio weaponry" dating back to 1942, government & military sponsored,

again, whether you want to believe these horrors are real or not, they do exist, and there are huge numbers of references throughout the internet to inform you, should you decide to do the research.   maybe start with the numerous treaties between gov'ts hoping to limit the effects of all these  weaponising materials, being tested daily on unsuspecting, trusting humans.

being aware won't make your life any easier, or comfortable - it just makes you aware.  

(downvote happened while I was posting, it wasn't from me. . .)

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 01:37 | 2383205 ekm
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I never said weapons to destroy all earth's population did not exists.

Hitler used gas chambers trying to exterminate the jews, but he didn't do that to exterminate germans.

In case of war, anything may happen like in Hiroshima and Nagasaki but one from one nation against another, unless a theoretical civil war.

Again, theoretically anything is possible and has been possible for quite a long time already.

However, any insane leader would need hundres of chemical or nuclear or biological engineers to obey the orders. That's quite impossible.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 02:01 | 2383219 Cathartes Aura
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and yet it's happening now, whether you can wrap your mind around it or not - I gave you some "easy" links, there are so many more - but you've got "November" in your sights - elections?  *shakes head* - so I'll leave you to your story now.

Sun, 04/29/2012 - 16:46 | 2383871 ekm
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Nothing new from the links.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 08:46 | 2382007 bigdumbnugly
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i'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 08:56 | 2382016 mm17101978
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The article says that in Spain they just banned cash transactions (and withdrawals from bank accounts, I guess) above 2500 Euros but which country can be even more desperate? Italy, of course. Here everything above 1000 Euros is banned if it's paid in cash. Thanks to the fascist, er pardon tecnocratic government put in charge to rescue Italy's banks (all insolvent, both the four biggest and the smaller ones).

The article says that in Spain they floated at first the idea of a limit of 1000 euros for cash transactions...well here in Italy at first they tried to put the limit at 300 Euros and now they start telling people that perhaps sometime in the future the limit will be put down to 100 Euros.

Do they realize that they can't outlaw the 200-Euro and the 500-Euro bills? I think that would be illegal (from an EU perspective) and uncostitutional perhaps.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 09:20 | 2382043 Arnold Ziffel
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Black Swan?


Escaped China activist in U.S. protection: rights group

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 09:22 | 2382048 OC Money Man
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Barter has always been around and the dollar has been undermined by Congressional deficit spending.  But since the beginning of the Great Recession, it is the euro that is being destroyed.  The 90 day swap agreements between the U.S. and Europe that began on November 30, 2011, essentially "dollarized" the continent.  The euro will hang on for a while longer as the 18 EMU members using the euro prepare for introduction of their own currency and return to border enforcement.  There will be lots of new colorful marks, lira and etc.  But five years from now, the world will still rely on the dollar.      

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 09:29 | 2382054 MFL8240
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As it stands we are bartering junk paper for oil, food and other real items and that will never last.  

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 10:33 | 2382145 Midas
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What me worry?

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 11:49 | 2382262 Tom Green Swedish
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Wasn't this the whole problem to begin with in Spain, Italy and Greece?  The Black market, which led to no tax revenue thus more printing by the government.  The government is not going to stop any black market, without serious problems. 


You can even call the internet a black market of sorts.  Ever since the internet came into play, the USA has been on a downward spiral.  The dot com bubble turned into the government spending spree.  Craigslist and Backpage and Ebay turned into a barter system on their own.  Look at the kid who traded up from a used cell phone to a porshe boxter.  I presume the next big online website will be one of an organized barter system.  Online Purchases usually are tax free, which means you got it: a black market and less tax revenue for the government.  Now there is no way for the government to stop the black market, it is too widespread,  other than established online retailers.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 13:30 | 2382393 my puppy for prez
my puppy for prez's picture

Try LESS GOVT SPENDING....not more taxes!

Plus, it's not the 'evil internet's" fault that intra-state commerce laws do not levy a tax.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 12:20 | 2382303 UrbanBard
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I disagree with the vagueness of the terms used. Barter is exchanging goods for other goods; which is clumsy. Exchanging goods for gold uses precious metals as a medium of exchange. Thus, the process monetizes that metal. It is not barter.

When nations settle their balance of trade they don’t need to use currency. If there is gold in a trusted institution, the nations can swap ownership of that gold by wire transfer. The problem is that trust in financial institutions has diminished. The most powerful, such as the FED and the European Central Bankers, cannot be trusted. Hence, new institutions must be built to bypass the current ones. Flying a few tons of gold to Tehran to pay for China’s current and future oil needs is cheap. Countries besides China and Iran could use that system to bypass the dollar. A network of exchange centers could be set up. Iran could insist that payment for the oil it delivers to European nations go through an exchange in Switzerland.

There probably will be barter at the personal or corporate level, because of a lack of gold and silver coinage in people's hands in most countries. Central Banks, decades ago, removed metal coins as they inflated their money supply. In the US, Gold coins were removed in 1933, Silver in 1965 and copper in 1982. Many people held on to their coins, but it is unclear how much coinage there is.

I recently read of a Mexican National who is attempting to get his government to re-institute silver coinage. I felt he was going about it the wrong way. He should instead have the government set the weight and purity of Silver coins and let merchants make them.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 18:14 | 2382749 ovigia
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Thus, the leadership in America in its infinite stupidity has actually accelerated the demise of the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency.


Another presstitute that doesn't understand or maybe it's just trying to hide the real goal that is to build the new world currency and for that to happen the dollar, euro etc must go.

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