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Michael Krieger Summarizes "The Building Tension"

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From Michael Krieger of KAM LP

As long as the systems of control, crafted carefully over centuries by the entrenched elites, were able to sustain themselves within the illusions that they had embedded within the language, the mechanisms of control were possible. Stated another way for clarity; as long as the entrenched elite had control of the illusion, the illusion of control works for them. However, the opposite is also true, and this is where we find ourselves now; that is to say, at a point in time where the entrenched elite are using the control systems so badly that they are stepping outside of the inherent limitations imposed by the use of language as their primary control mechanism. Again, stated another way for clarity....when the 'prime proponents of democracy planet-wide (e.g. usa senators)' vote to 'legalize their war on their constituent populace' they are stepping outside of the inherent common consensus understanding of 'USA democracy' at such a level as to disrupt the illusion that allows them to control. Make any sense at all? The 'herd' is smelling the 'slaughter house', both metaphorically and actually. The stench of blood work travels on the air.

- Clif High


Building Tension

Everything seems extremely slow and boring right now.  After so much happened in bursts during various periods last year, we are currently in a gestation period.  We are in a period of building tension.  In retrospect, it seems that this period began in September/October of last year, thus it has now been building energy for almost five months.  This period of building tension happened after the last major release of energy in this Fourth Turning and that was in August/September, with the debt ceiling debt debacle, markets crashing, gold soaring and the emergence on the scene for the first time of a “progressive/urban rebellion” against bankster puppet Barack Obama from within his own set of perceived supporters.  Namely, the OWS movement. 

Yes, everything seems extremely slow and boring right now.  This is an illusion.  As I said at the time, the emergence of OWS was a huge deal.  Obama and his minions immediately attempted to co-opt the movement and create class warfare and that failed miserably.  Once that failed, King Bloomberg and other feudal mayors from all across the country went out and cleared them out in a coordinated fashion.  Let me ask you a question?  If this movement had publicly supported Obama and his dishonest agenda do you really think they would have been cleared out so aggressively?  I for one do not.  TPTB initially saw the movement as a way to divide and conquer the nation along the traditional geographic and “cultural” lines.  Once this failed, and they recognized that it actually had much in common with the angst of the tea party movement (demands for an end to crony capitalism, no bail outs or socialism for the super rich connected elites while at the same time free market capitalism and austerity for the poor) they shut it down faster than you can say 99%. 

There is a reason I put “cultural” in quotations in the above paragraph.  The reason is that the most powerful players in this nation that seek to control the sheep class (pretty much everyone that remains asleep, both rich and poor) through the old tried and true method of divide and conquer.  While Obama talked about bringing together red states and blue states during his speech at the Democratic national convention in 2004, as is standard operating procedure for this pathological liar he actually views everything from a divide and conquer standpoint.  So the story we are told is that there are “red” states and “blue” states and that we aren’t supposed to like each other and that on most of the important issues the various populations are diametrically opposed to each other.  They make it seem this way by never actually really debating the issues that really matter to our freedoms and economic prosperity.  They instead pick out divisive and highly emotional “social” issues, that while I understand are important to many, believe me are being used very deliberately to keep you heated and engaged in furious debate over these less consequential matters while they avoid talking about the stuff that really matters like the Federal Reserve and the counterfeit monetary system they run to bail out the richest and most connected, as well as the dissolution of your civil rights and the rule of law.  So indeed this “cultural” divide is patently false but it has held sway for so long because humans are inherently tribal creatures.  The good news is that Americans are now for the first time in perhaps a generation figuring out that we are indeed ONE culture and that culture is being systematically and intentionally dismantled right before our very eyes.  That culture revolves around the Constitution of the United States of America and its all important Bill of Rights, without which this country would never have become what it was.  TPTB are aware of the fact that we are rediscovering the common thread that binds us and they are flipping out.  OWS was the final straw.

So OWS came on the scene at roughly the same time the markets were crashing and gold was soaring.  These guys had seen enough.  While markets have been manipulated forever, what I have noticed over the last several years is that it gets exponentially worse at certain moments.  Something causes a freak out moment and they redouble their efforts to keep the populace asleep based on heavier doses of propaganda and market manipulations.  That is how we turned from massive tension release into this five month period of tension build we are now in.  It is winter and although OWS has been evicted, rebellion is certainly not dead, it is simply regrouping and to figure out the next best way to attack the corrupt house of cards.  Similarly, investors that are cognizant of what the Central Banks of the world are doing to destroy currency did not simply decide to buy IBM and JPM after realizing the futures markets have been killed following than ransacking of MF.  No, they too are regrouping and figuring out other ways to own physical assets as far away from the grubby hands of the casino operators as possible.

Tension Release              

The reason I don’t write about markets so much anymore is because I don’t believe there are markets any longer.  Sure there are flashing prices on the screens for various assets and those can be addicting to look at on a daily basis, but I think these “markets” are now merely a mechanism for government propaganda and a  method to ultimately fleece more money from the uniformed masses that play in it by the casino operators and their puppets in government.  It’s basically a hologram.  I have alluded to this in recent interviews, but I myself feel extremely uncomfortable being involved at this point in a way I have never felt before.  For now, I am still willing to play the game with some of my own capital but I fear I may regret this decision and that the smart thing would be to pull out completely and go entirely into hard assets as well as real estate abroad.  This game is not safe.
By definition, the longer the period of tension building the more explosive the release will be when it ultimately happens.  This period has already been going on for almost five months with only minor releases so I think we are already staring down the barrel of something horrific.  Should they actually succeed and delaying the release until after the election I expect the release scenario to be downright cataclysmic.  Should they succeed to delay it  that far I hope I am wise enough to pull the remainder of my assets out of this casino beforehand and get entirely physical.

Never Another Recession

The final thought I want to leave you with is perhaps the most important one.  While watching the criminals that run the nation manipulate, scheme and systematically dismantle our inherent rights as human beings is bewildering and frustrating, I believe their actions are representative of nothing more than rats scurrying around.  The much more important thing is that humanity is waking up and beginning to rise to the occasion.  These moves by them are last ditch attempts to preserve their system of control and their positions in society.  Unfortunately for them, we are in the midst of a mega cycle of structural change and everything they are fighting to save will end regardless of what they do.   

Here’s a personal story.  I was having drinks with three other people recently here in Boulder.  Every single person at the table thought the official 9/11 story was a total bunch of bull (building 7 anyone?).  I didn't even bring it up.  It was remarkable.  That never would have happened three years ago.  So my point is, every day that passes results in more people waking up to who the criminals are.  This has now backed them into a corner where they feel like they need to always avoid another downturn at all costs.  Historically, they always have used the downturns to manipulate public opinion and consolidate control further but we have turned their playbook around on them.  We are now waiting for the downturn to pounce on them because we know who they are and what they are up to.  They are totally cornered.   

To conclude, I recently taped another interview with Max Kesier on RT and it can be seen here.  I come in halfway, but the whole show is really hilarious and worth a watch.  Please take a look.

Oh and here is a little cartoon to lighten up your day!

Peace and wisdom,


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Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:18 | 2078816 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Buy silver


Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:21 | 2078832 LawsofPhysics
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Fairly short sighted don't you think?  I can think of several other physical assets of value one might want to have handy.  For the record one should have been accumulating PMs their entire life, it has always been the foundation to a diverse porfolio.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:34 | 2078862 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The Proxy's Silver Proxie February 24, 2011

Last year I had a revolation.  In April upon hearing (from Max Keiser, and I gave credit where credit was due) just how many shorts the House of John Pierpont Morgan had against silver I called them out.  I specifically targeted JPM and said by buying silver we could force them to take their positions off.  I also said it would happen enevitably, because silver demand is rising industrially.  I said, by mid summer, the paper price of silver will capitulate, and silver would reach $36 by the winter solstice.

I made this call based on a few things.  First the prices of platinum, gold, and oil must be taken into account, and those movements were charted.  Then I decided that silver was the easiest for us to buy, and the easiest for JPM to short.  I thought this because silver is so cheap.  Once silver is not cheap, which it wasn't when it passed $21, JPM no longer wanted to short it.

Still though there are silver shorts, and there are many being held by JPM.  They have lifted some, but those have been replaced, some by China and some by other proxy banks (which I assume have direct funding from the PDs, or the President's Working Group on Financial Markets itself).  Still, these entities burn fiat at their sacred alter.  How much longer will they?

This is not how I came up with the slogan to 'Buy Silver' though.  That happened before I realized exactly what was going to happen with the silver market.  I wanted people to buy silver because I was worried that the government would confinscate gold.  I thought it up after reading The Wizard of Oz.  Silly as that might be, the silver slippers I put on worked just fine, and I encourage you to click your heels three times too.  There is no place like home.

That being said, even though I am a couple months behind, my price target of $36 is still in line.  It will be here by the Spring Equinox.  This last move should rip the heart of those who short silver right from their chests.  The Fed et al have many other problems they are facing, and only one of which is silver.  Besides, economists want a weak dollar, so a rise in the price of silver will make that happen.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:34 | 2078886 johnu1978
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He's right, buy silver, it's on sale!!!



Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:42 | 2078922 Oh regional Indian
Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:49 | 2078947 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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by Mr Lennon Hendrix
on Wed, 04/07/2010 - 14:12
So Max Keiser is killing it and he cleared some shit up for me.  We have until $20.92 to buy silver (this is its nominal high), because that is when JPM should be done unloading their shorts (more specifically the shorts they inherited from Bear Sterns).  Once that happens, the whole market should capitulate, and then silver to the MOON (we have our own Argonaut, GET THE FUCK IN THE BOAT PEOPLE!) followed by gold and oil.  By my calculations we will reach $20.92 at mid summer, then the market should capuitulate for 2-6 weeks, depending on how bad peak oil is right now, and then KABOOM!  Anyway, my two sense...I could be wrong. MB anyone?
Also, a low of $8.88 during the "crisis".  They are saying something.  They are saying 'We will run this town for infinaty'.  I cry ISIS!  Then I go to war with these damn JPM "M"arket "M"anipulators.  Join me!  BUY SILVER! Silver Shell Game Over:

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:52 | 2078958 Oh regional Indian
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Nice LH. pre-scient..

ISIS indeed and word.


Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:18 | 2079047 gmrpeabody
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You had me..., right up to the story about your dinner in Boulder.

I mean, Boulder..., is there anyone there that doesn't believe 911 was an inside job?

They all believe the moon missions were done at movie studios.

Long tin foil...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 17:20 | 2079287 pemdas
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Instead of "Left" and "Right" in the cartoon they could have labeled it "Democrat" and "Republican".

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:22 | 2079982 Stax Edwards
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Absolutely.  There is a very big difference.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 22:42 | 2080164 steve from virginia
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Gold ... silver ... I don't really follow them. I'm more of an 'energy/finance' guy. I'm not long crude oil, BTW.

$110/barrel is about what the market can bear right now. $120/barrel and the shack caves in. Last spring the market tried $128 and there was world-wide heartburn that hasn't ended. We don't hoard crude oil, we burn it up for nothing. All the oil we have every drilled, shoveled, mined, pumped out of the ground has been burned up and there is nothing to show for it but a lot of debts that nobody knows how to repay or even service.

The idea that crude oil will bolt is unsupportable by evidence. Crude prices are supported by credit which is shrinking. Instead of crude prices increasing, the ability to pay ANY price for ANYTHING is decreasing. The same amount of cash that would flow to crude oil producers is now being subtracted from crude oil customers ... the car business, the freeway business, the house business, the office tower business, the finance business, the retail goods business, etc.

Gold is still in a bull market but for that to continue gold must become a safe haven and pull in lots of cash from these declining business enterprises elsewhere.


Fri, 01/20/2012 - 00:07 | 2080282 whstlblwr
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Off topic, anyone watch the millionth debate tonight. It was very entertaining. Ron Paul made a comeback, he did a great job, we think he won the debate. In post debate analysis, CNN doing everything they can to make Romney or Gingrich look like the winner, LOL. Someone needs to start a new TV news because this corporate media is bullshit. Ron Paul called out corporate media too in debate. There was a great moment where Santorum calls out Gingrich and tell us insider shit. A couple of times, audience yells for Ron Paul when he gets left out of questions.

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 03:41 | 2080482 respect the cock
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Watched the RP highlights earlier.  He did a great job.

I know FB is a little hokey...but he is literally adding 10k new "likes" every day.  Don't underestimate the hivemind that is social networking...he will have a long term impact, whether he gets elected or not.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 18:46 | 2079562 The Alarmist
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"They all believe the moon missions were done at movie studios."

How can you be sure they weren't? Been to the moon lately?

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 20:54 | 2079907 Ident 7777 economy
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-1  and well deserved ...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 22:25 | 2080129 Hugh G Rection
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Never tried flying through the Van Allen radiation belt either.

If that was a lie I can let it fly, more concerned about the lie that killed 3,000 people, and resulted in the theft of our civil liberties, and perpetual war.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 23:07 | 2080192 DanDaley
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I asked Van Allen about this personally, and he said that it is no big deal, about like getting an x-ray.  

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 23:23 | 2080217 The Deleuzian
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An Iowa City Native eh....

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 11:07 | 2080959 DanDaley
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Past tense.  He was a very nice man, easy to talk to, and thought all of this 'fake-moon-landing stuff" was nonsense.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:19 | 2079956 Stax Edwards
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Totally agree about the 911 loony stuff.  That kills the authors credibility.  Left and Right obviously do exist, but right now the laws have tilted in favor of the haves to the detriment of the have nots.  We currently have the best crop of politicians money can buy in DC. Obviously everyone who can be should be in equities at present if they have the stomach for potential risk and the time to follow their investments like a hawk.  The melt up is real money, and you cannot play if you don't put your chips on the table.  Risk to capital does exist, and the returns are not too excessive so I suppose the argument is that inflation will remain subdued and this money should make its way into the economy and the wealth effect should also play a role in helping to grease the wheels of commerce.  This market intervention is providing needed capital formation for our publicly traded companies, and I am sure the hope is they will expand their businesses and step up hiring.  Perhaps the latest numbers reflect that or perhaps it is all seasonal adjustment. 

I think the internet and free exchange of information make this more transparent (to many more people) than FED involvement would have been ever before, so perhaps this is SOP, but was not apparent to most when used in times past.  I know I for one cannot control the situation, so I respect the tape and try to make money.  I try to use more services and get that money moving.  Lets hope our corporations do the right thing and pick up hiring so aggregate demand will increase.  We shall see if the recovery continues marching on when Q1 numbers come out. 

The globalists have got us right where they want us, but it is a fools errand to think one alone can change things.  Not to mention we all gripe, but I see very few good suggestions of how to fix this thing.  It will either work or it won't.  I have to say the FED does seem to have inflation under control, and I hope they know how to withdraw this liquidity prior to inflation killing us.  Maybe we will see the sky high interest rates of the Carter administration.  For now despite my aversion to TBTF, I think if Bernanke really cares about his legacy, he will conclude that TBTF is not the way the world works and will push to break these behemoths up once real recovery comes.  If he is able to stimulate the economy enough to get it going on its own AND breaks up the TBTF into non-SIFI's at the appropriate time, he will have my vote as the FED president who turned the second great depression into the greatest recession, a noble achievement.  At least I think we can all agree that economic recovery and jobs for everyone that wants to work is priority number one.  For all of our mocking, I think Bernanke has done better than .gov up to this point.  Godspeed to you all.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:32 | 2079995 KTV Escort
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"Totally agree about the 911 loony stuff.  That kills the authors credibility."

which, in turn, kills yours... anyone of sixth grade intelligence or above can spend 6 hours pouring over the wealth of info available online re: 911 truth and determine the official story is complete BS

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:15 | 2079968 That Peak Oil Guy
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Right, the most educated populace per-capita of US cities is a bunch of loons.  More likely they know bullshit when they see it.

Mike, Boulder is not like other places, so be careful.  We all get in a bubble living around here and we forget what the rest of the world is like.  Then you travel out of the area and see all the fat sheeple and you remember...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 22:04 | 2080078 The Deleuzian
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God I'm glad I came back into this thread!

Mike...What TPOG said is so very true...Boulder is 'one of a kind'...It will always be so...Enjoy everyday there...Hell, I might move back...I miss it that much!!

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 22:19 | 2080119 Hugh G Rection
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Please watch WTC7 collapse into itself 25 minutes after the BBC report that it had collapsed..

Sorry for the brevity of the 2nd video, that has to do with the building falling at freefall acceleration.


Long blue pills...

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 00:56 | 2080360 chindit13
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I know what you mean about the BBC, since other than the Cheops pyramid outside of Cairo and maybe that wall thing in China, WTC7 was, well before 911, the most well known and recognized building on the face of the Earth.  For a grizzled old journalist to get something so patently obvious wrong on an otherwise quiet newsday is simply concrete proof that those conspirators slipped a press release to a foreign news organization a little too early.  Amateurs!

Heck, I've been watching all these videos taken on 911 that show firemen saying they don't have either the time or personnel to go into WTC7, which they say and clearly show in the videos has had a raging fire all day after debris from the north tower struck it.  Then about 2pm one firefighter tells his commander that WTC7 is creaking loudly and sounds like it's going to come down.  Obviously this is all dubbing and filmed at the same Hollywood stage where they filmed those bogus lunar landings.  They even try to obfuscate by having some fireman walking on the collapsed north facade of WTC7, which had fallen south during the collapse, as if to imply it was not in its own footprint.  Well, nobody said it wasn't walking, so its footprint clearly could be in front in the direction it was moving.

So nefarious were these guys that they had installed high powered fans near the strike points to blow smoke away just so everyone could see that the towers' collapse began AT THE EXACT POINT where the aircraft had struck.  They even set off the final demolition charges on the south tower first, even though it was the second to be hit, because it had been struck 15-20 stories lower than the north tower, and the theoretical stresses, due to the extra floors---would be that much greater.  Good thing they slipped up on the BBC thing to show us that even Lizard People are human and make mistakes.

But I've timed the collapses with my stopwatch and it's almost exactly freefall speed, give or take a few seconds, which amongst right-thinking people is nothing.  And we all know gravity is just a theory, like evolution, so speeds are approximate.  Putting little nano-rockets on some of the debris pieces so that they would fall faster than the towers was just to fool us into thinking the towers were not actually in freefall.  Optical illusion and mass hypnosis using HAARP Setting 377-B.  Bastards!

I'm still incensed about melting or weakened steel, too, as if Jet-A and office furniture could burn that high.  I mean, if you could create such heat transfer with Jet-A, then I could use something like a kerosene camping stove to boil water, like that is ever going to happen.  Or I would have to wear flip-flops or something at the beach on even a 90 degree day because the asphalt in the parking lot would get a lot more hot than 90 degrees.  Sheesh.  And why do you think you cannot find a blacksmith nowadays?  Because finally we figured out that it's a waste of time to try to work steel when you only have a 700-900 degree fire.  With only a hammer?  Steel?  Please.  Blacksmiths deserve to be extinct.

And then there's the way they try to muddle the finding of Mohammed Atta's passport!  They even produced driver's licenses and personal documents---all unburned---from other passengers on the flights, as if anything ever could escape that fire.  And all those Morgan Stanley documents that rained down like confetti all over Battery Park even though the second plane hit dead center into Morgan's south tower office.  No doubt it was those police and news helicopters flying around that just dumped those forgeries out the window of the chopper when nobody was looking.

You've got to hand it to THEM, however.  Having those trucks sneak in during the mayhem and drop one jet engine three blocks north of the south tower where it struck, and landing gear of the north tower strike about four blocks toward the water---all to imply extensive structural damage to the tower's core---just masterful.  That magic engine and landing gear reminds me of the magic bullet in Dallas, if you know what I mean.

What really bugs me is that now you can find videos on YouTube or at the website where they had a rank amateur fly a real jet aircraft simulator, having never sat in the left seat or had a single flight lesson in his life---and he supposedly LANDS the thing.  I mean, with that they don't even need to show that the four al Qaeda pilots took flying lessons, since landing is the most difficult part of flying (I have multiple ratings myself, so I know this).  These guys are thorough.

And that NORAD thing?  They try to fool us with that crossword puzzle appreviation---ADIZ---and tell us that before 911 those were all offshore and had NORAD's attention.  What about Payne Stewart?  It only took ATC forty-five minutes to find his plane.  Sure, they traced it because it had filed a flight plan and like most planes up there at FL410 it was on autopilot so on its filed flight plan, but I mean they could have tried harder.

Note:  No 6th grade or higher brains were harmed in the making of this post.

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 08:29 | 2080610 mvsjcl
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Normally, I'd attempt a dispassionate, fact-filled discourse to refute the basis of your arguement, but I'm not feeling very normal right now.



Fri, 01/20/2012 - 11:47 | 2081104 chindit13
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Stamina.  Stay the course, Moonbat.

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 09:33 | 2080717 TuesdayBen
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chindit, I wish you posted more often

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 01:00 | 2080366 Pleasure Craft
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Good links. Always good to see a refresher WTC7 video. Certainly discredits the official story. 

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 22:22 | 2080124 The Grip
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So there I was, in [Palo Alto, Cambridge, Evanston, etc.]...

You get it. Smartest guys in the room.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 22:39 | 2080151 The Deleuzian
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TG...I believe technically you are correct...Palo Alto is first...Iowa City is second...Boulder is not far behind..Difficult to gauge the metrics with so much student population...Most likely the top 10 dance around each other from year to year...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:01 | 2079923 owensdrillin
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Johnu, I was in Kalispell last Feb-March and I 've never seen people begging on the corners in that town until then. Everyone you talked to was as depressed as could be and the "official" unemployment rate for the Flathead Valley is 15%.

Most people were moving to or working in North Dakota as there is very little work at home. Sad to see as Whitefish/Kallispell was always a favorite of mine. The ski season at Whitefish isn't helping this year either.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:47 | 2080033 Ceteris paribus
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He's right, buy silver, it's on sale!!! 

Silver is always on sale, it has been at $30.oo for about six months now, it will only go up when they want it too. 

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:23 | 2079981 taeonu
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The Secret of Oz


What’s the Movie About?

It is commonly known in economics academia that The Wonderful Wizard of Oz written by L. Frank Baum in 1900 is loaded with powerful symbols of monetary reform which were the core of the Populist movement and the 1896 and 1900 presidental bids of Populist Democrat William Jennings Bryan.

The yellow brick road (gold standard), the Scarecrow (farmers), the Tin Man (industrial workers), the Wicked Witch of the West (Cleveland banker  J.D. Rockefeller) and the Wicked Witch of the East (NY banker J.P.Morgan), the Emerald City of Oz (greenback money), the illusory power of the Wizard in the capitol city (who monopolized power through deceit),  even Dorothy’s silver slippers (changed to ruby slippers for the color movie version -symbols of Baum’s and Bryan’s belief that adding silver coin to gold coin would provide much needed money to a depression-strapped, 1890s America).  Oz is a virtual forest of monetary reform symbolism, done by someone extremely well versed in the Populist monetary reform goals of the period (Baum was a newspaperman and author) – goals which have never changed - they are still valid today, they are needed now more than then.

The Secret of Oz

Watch Documentary:

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 17:02 | 2079222 Amused2Death
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For someone starting out, what's the best strategy to get into PM's?  Who are the reputable sellers?  Do you average out or make opportunistic buys when things are on sale (supposedly)

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 17:17 | 2079273 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Find a local coin dealer.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 18:50 | 2079561 HungrySeagull
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You have to go back to the Hunt Brothers who tried to buy the entire Silver Market in the late 70's

Then learn about how boring Silver was at 6.00 and people stressed about a dime either way for years.

Suddenly we hit 15 then 25, paper burned still burning and here we are again watching paint dry in silver.

Nevertheless, I am in Silver. At today's price it should take 54 ounces to equal one ounce of Gold.

Historically this has gone up or gone down depending on many things.

Kitco is the main path to understanding in metals.


You can try this app that is being a demo to understand what it will cost you to buy metal at spot price and why everyone wants to buy at a cheaper price and sell higher.

You cannot really day trade Physical. However, speaking for myself I feel we are at 30 dollars hard floor as I said some time ago for this year.

If they find a weakness and find a hole in the floor like the two klutzes did falling off the staircase in "Home Alone" say.. 25.00 Silver or even 20 silver... it's going to be quite vicious and fast lasting only minutes.

Such a event will happen on your Kitco chart as a vertical line and be back to 30 dollars as soon as you process mentally and put in a order to buy at 25 or whatever.

Assuming you are even awake to see this happening in near real time.

The alternative is to send cash to a online account where you can buy metals and put in a order for a buy at whatever price you wish being good for 30 days or until trade executes. That way when you are asleep, you will probably catch the falling knife electronically.


Don't worry. There is a day coming..... The United States Dollar in Paper will be no good (Google Continentail money during Rev War and google Confederate Bonds Money) Hell we own a million on paper in Confederate, but it's worth less than the toilet paper you wipe the ass with.

Suppose you had PM from those days? Hmm?


One other thing. If you intend to get PM's (Physical stored for you or taking delivery) you need to consider home defense with a weapon or three. Because the zombies will come for you.

America did Confisicate Gold back in the 30's I think there were a few genuine gold coins turned up recently from that time period for Probate and they seized that too.

Silver Eagles is nice. A few Gold is nicer and 10 thousand dollars is a number to remember in silver.



Repeat after me.

Once you buy at X dollars per ounce. That is your basis. BOTTOM LINE. NEVER. NEVER sell at this price or lower. You may have to wait months or never sell at all, only accumulate.

I have some physical, and am always moving a little bit of Cash towards acquiring more. I am very aware that I am just a tiny little guppy in a ocean filled with barracudas, whales and sharks. But even I can find a ounce here and a ounce there.

It is easier to have... 500 ounces on hand and whatever you trade within a range is a mere flap of a butterfly. There are Nations who buy Tons of the stuff.

And there is the 5 dollar cost to dig it out of the ground as the ZH joke goes.

It will cost you 50 dollars to have it in your hand legally.


However. If the Market implodes and the US Dollar is no good, that Silver ounce or Gold ounce may go into the thousands of dollars/hundreds of dollars per ounce.

It would be easy to buy a whole city block with just a few coins free and clear. Hell even Trump took some gold in hand to close a deal from a buyer.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 20:25 | 2079812 ebworthen
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I've been happy with APMEX so far, but you have to catch them when their over spot isn't high.

In the last price beatdown for Gold and Silver their over spot was good for the first day or two then slowly moved up.

I don't have a local dealer, would have to drive 1-1/2 hours to get to a reputable one so online works for me (shipping is break-even with gas price to drive).

Kitco has a good reputation, though they are under scrutiny by the goons and now have a minimum of $2,500 or so per order.

Nothing like the heft and feel of Gold and Silver, and for me it is a vote and not just an investment.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 22:42 | 2080165 Joy on Maui
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Local dealer is best, if you can find a reputable one.   I have enjoyed doing online biz with Provident Metals.

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 00:08 | 2080286 Prometheus418
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Gainesville is cheap, but kind of slow.  Ebay can yeild good prices, but you pay for it with your time.

Caught a new local dealer today while he was open, and he seemed pretty straightforward, and the prices were fair.  Loads of 90%, but only a handful of Eagles.  I plan on revisiting his shop next payday.  As much as I like saving a few bucks/oz online, it just feels much safer to buy with cash and carry it out myself than to trust my metals to the tender care of the postal service- and it gives me the chance to cherry-pick coins when buying 90%.  I know nothing about numismatics, but I do knowthe difference between what looks nice, and what looks like it was beaten with a chain.  

I find it only slightly funny that every bullion dealer I've ever seen was a gun dealer as well.  If you're not armed, I suggest making the first trip dual-purpose.

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 00:15 | 2080300 ebworthen
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Aye, Matey.

Bud's has retired Police S&W .38 caliber revolvers for $269.

A good choice unless you have trained extensively with sem-automatic double/single action automatics which require enough practice to never fail to set safety off and chamber loaded to be effective, not to mention jams.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:22 | 2078839 DavidC
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Spot on Mike.
Which is why, when this thing breaks (and it will) it is going to make 2008 look like a picnic. NOTHING has changed since then.


Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:28 | 2078867 TuesdayBen
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More debt and derivatives today.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:22 | 2078840 fonzannoon
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Days like today make me wonder if this will go on forever.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:28 | 2078872 centerline
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Nah.  At some point the Sun will turn into a big red giant and swallow up the Earth.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 18:54 | 2079597 HungrySeagull
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And that will be a small mercy.


The one thing I fear is a very large Gamma X Ray burst that is focused towards the earth. They show the Atmosphere and crust stripped away off the Earth facing the blast while the other side (Facing away) has a interesting problem which will still result in their demise.


The good news is you would pass from this life and stand in front of the Pearly gates with a Marine Gaurding it wondering WTF?

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:24 | 2079073 NEOSERF
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Another day where we continue to be plugged into the matrix, sitting watching believing that something in the financial worlds is real...I have a feeling that 1929 is coming

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:24 | 2078846 drink or die
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While I support Ron Paul, I think that even if he is elected we are still screwed.  Too little too late.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:34 | 2078884 WonderDawg
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Definitely too late. The only thing Ron Paul can do for us is possibly mitigate the damage and get us turned around quicker. Unfortunately, if he is elected, he will shoulder a lot of the blame for the pain we'll be going through the next four years.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:43 | 2078923 Saro
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Part of me hopes he doesn't get elected, just so he can't be their scapegoat.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:48 | 2078938 WonderDawg
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I know what you mean. It could possibly have a negative impact on our personal liberties if his policies are blamed for the crash that is already inevitable. Maybe if the collapse happens before the election, he'll have a chance to be regarded as the guy who turned things around, but not likely, as the dark times are going to last for years.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:23 | 2079072 trav7777
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doesn't matter who's President.

Let's just assume for a second peak oil is true and reality of depletion rates are far worse than any of the optimists have projected.  What then?

The dark times last forever if we do not come up with a new, growable power source.

And all the coal and NG in the world can only DELAY that.  They CANNOT obviate it.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 17:51 | 2079384 VyseLegendaire
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There won't be a plan. Hell there is no plan now, just the use of armed forced to procure cheap oil. 

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 01:06 | 2080374 fnord88
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What about if we harvest all of Washington for their body heat? It worked for the machines in the matrix, more fun than hanging them, especially if we either:

a) leave them concious so they have to watch the world go by, or

b) plug them into the prison rape program, where they cop a 12" cock every 15 minutes 

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 17:57 | 2079402 MarkTwain00
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Correct, he is right where he needs to be....has enough power and influence to bring the issues to the table and make the real candidates take them seriously.   

If he was elected the powers that be would just make an example out of him and crush any real progress it took him 50 years to make.


That said, these other idiots make me want to throw up.  

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 20:37 | 2079859 Seer
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"these other idiots make me want to throw up."

Worse would be that there are still TONS of people who would vote for them!  South Carolina, really, WTF is wrong with the people there?  Seems that they'd fit right in being in-tow by Mullahs or something.

Most are NOT free-thinkers.  We have a HUGE programming problem, one that we're not likely going to be able to fix because the existing paradigm is incapable of acknowledging its failure(s).

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 22:47 | 2080175 WonderDawg
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The "existing paradigm" doesn't want to fix it. WE are the ones with the programming problem, not them. And they use the MSM as their programming medium. Hopium and mindless sitcoms keep the masses sedated while they are raped.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:48 | 2078920 Mercury
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...depends what you mean by screwed.  If you think some kind of major collapse/reset is inevitable then that could also mean an ebbing tide of central government meddling, a readjustment of the individual's relationship to the state, opportunities within chaos etc.

And if you think sooner is better than later regarding all want to vote Obama in 2012!  Come on Barry, work your "magic" and lets get this over with.

It's likely that Ron Paul would have the biggest positive impact (assuming that his nomination haspirations continue to dwindle) by essentially arguing along these lines at the Republican convention and endorsing Obama.


Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:50 | 2078944 drink or die
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Obama may be slightly less likely (1-5%) to start a war with Iran, while the other GOP candidates have basically said they would for sure.  While all candidates (besides RP) are equally disgusting, I'd favor Obama over Mittens/Santorum for that (even though I'd never vote for any of those jokers).


junk away.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:53 | 2078961 SheepDog-One
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War with Iran? That would be over in 10 minutes. Theyre just sabre rattling to manipulate oil.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:06 | 2079004 drink or die
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Just like the wars with the Afghanistan and Iraq?  The US is superior in an all-out war, but is not prepared for an asymmetrical conflict (which Iran has been preparing for).  Not to forget that Russia would possibly be pulled into it.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 17:00 | 2079213 11b40
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Yes, and not to mention the fact that Iran has the power to close the Straits of Hormuz and throw the economies of the world into a tailspin.  Just look at a map and at their long coastline.  It runs the entire length of the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman up to the Pakistan border.

Maybe a little less chest-thumping and a little more common sense should be in order.  Can we wreck havoc on Iran and essentially destroy the country?  Sure...but not without huge potential costs that we can hardly imagine if things go wrong. 

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:10 | 2079946 Uber Vandal
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Imagine the chaos that would bring, along with if they were able to persuade Egypt to close the Suez Canal?

And just for kicks, the Panama Canal while we are at it.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 17:37 | 2079348 Amish Hacker
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You aren't speaking just theoretically. The largest US war games ever held (up to that time) were in 2002, against a Red Team (representing Iran/Iraq) commanded by an American Lt. Gen. who gloried in the name of Paul K. Van Riper. More than 13,000 military and cilvilians participated, with 9 live exercise ranges and 18 different computer simulations.

The results? Van Riper surprised everyone by abandoning US doctrine and fighting in exactly the way the Iranians would fight. He attacked the US navy with swarms of small speed boats, many of them rigged as "suicide boats." The US lost 16 major ships, though a completely embarrassed Navy reset some of the premises of the exercise and declared the Blue team the winner.

You don't have to physically block the Straits of Hormuz to stop the flow of oil. Just the credible threat of an attack on a tanker would drive insurance costs so high that ships would stay in port. Either that or oil prices would have to go up enough to cover the insurance.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 20:10 | 2079775 HungrySeagull
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Wa games is a source of valuable information and learning.

We used to spend days and nights in a row with a giant pot of soup and a board game map of Israel and surrounding areas in Hex form with hundreds of units in a structured fight. (This was before computers)


My opponet loved the light infantry in Lebanon. He would use it to infect my rear areas and targets of oppertunity disrupting what I would need before they could be properly road marched to the FEBA.

Another map had to do with Iran. And still another dealt with the Greenland, Iceland, UK gap to defend the Atlantic convoys against the Red Navy.


In nearly every case despite my best efforts on the American side my opponet was able to inflict some serious damage to the point of literally having to pause several game days to collect more assets and come up with a plan B to hold off a building counter offensive.

The Carriers were public enemy number one, Bomber bases number two and any asset having to do with long recon were third.


I have fought war games on computer with rather detailed and mind bending smaller and important information down to the Company level. I managed to stop the USSR from taking Europe, it cost me my entire Armor at Hanover where I chose to halt the oncoming Tusnami. I managed to halt the Korean advance down the valley into Seoul by limited nuclear weapons use. There was simply nothing else.


The one in which I tore my hair out was the old Bonsian Sarajevo Invasion scenario. So much crap and NATO power and such a BAD, BAD ground. And the enemy was all around sitting pretty in the center of Bonsia.


I am glad we did not go there in real life. I hear Count Vlad must still live there somewhere in his high mountain hall.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 23:05 | 2080190 UP Forester
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As a Combat Engineer, I loved playing OPFOR during field training exercises.


Nothing like a trailer-load of land mines, C-4, det cord, tripwires and smoke to throw a whole batallion into disarray.

And that's just with one squad (7 guys), one truck, one trailer.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 23:16 | 2080197 steve from virginia
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Iranians ARE saber-rattling to support the price of crude. At $110/barrel, the price Iran receives is close to what each barrel costs to bring to the market. A little bit more of a price decline and much of Iran's petro economy is underwater.

With credit shrinking, cutting crude production doesn't work because it does not add credit. Oil that is unaffordable at $110 is unaffordable at $2000 per barrel.

Cutting supply tends to create a vicious cycle of shortages and deflation. Shortages drive a low price even lower shutting in more and more supply.

Under the circumstances remaining supply would come from Iran's competitors there is no incentive for Iran to cut its own throat.

Closing the Hormuz Straits would cut Iran's food imports. It might also lead to military action against Iran's operating reactor which would lead to another #Fukushima involving the entire oil producing region.

Google 'Bushehr' and see where it is located. Right next to Kuwait and within the 'rad' distance of Saudia's oil fields.

America won't start a war b/c the Europeans won't support it. There is less likelihood of another '9/11' b/c every single American would suspect the US government.

China is also opposed to US war against Iran, war would hurt China's oil supply. China is American government's banker. Russia doesn't want war against Iran and has been outspoken against it. Russia supplies Europe with 60% of of its oil and natural gas. No wonder the Europeans don't support the US warmongers! It gets cold in Europe in the winter and the stupid Euros love their cars even though they are bankrupting the entire Eurozone.

NATO is careful not to annoy the Russians over Syria which is descending into civil war. That is where the fighting is taking place and where the dangers lie. Turkey is poised to 'assist' Syrian opposition to Assad and invade if necessary. The Israelis are looking to wipe out Hezbollah in Lebanon. If Israel takes actions against Assad it is possible the opposition in Syria would support Israel.

None of the usual 'strategies' for dealing with economic probs are working: Keynesian stimulus, austerity, military Keynesiansim (war), saber rattling, neo-colonialism. Gold standard won't work either. Only stringent energy conservation and an economy that doesn't burn up capital for 'fun' will work and the econ powers that be don't even talk about these things.

So, they will happen anyway, shoved down the establishment's throat by circumstance.

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 03:49 | 2080489 respect the cock
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Bullshit.  Take away ROE and we'd smoke anyone.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 17:41 | 2079357 falun bong
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Nowadays one of the first requirements for a new war is that it is "unwinnable". That means it can go on forever, just as they want. Why the hell would you choose a war in Afghanistan if you wanted to win fer chrissakes? They chose it because it's very expensive to supply, impossible to win, and can last forever. Even better, declare war on a noun: Terror. That's perfect. How would anyone know if you won or lost? Perfect. Also happens to be a great excuse for endless spying and removal of any remaining civil rights.

Did we "win" in Iraq? Depends who you ask. Did the people there win security or advancement or a better life? No. Did the dumb rural unemployable American kids who signed up for the military win? No. Did Federal Express "win" with their no-bid contract to ship pallettes of bottled water from Seattle to Baghdad? You bet. Did GM "win" with hundreds of billions in new orders for things like tank engines? You bet. Iran will be just as unwinnable which is why they will do it. Remember this has nothing to do with security or ideology or democracy and everything to do with MONEY.

Mon, 01/23/2012 - 17:21 | 2090300 11b40
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Yes, they learned that noun thingy well with the war on drugs.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 17:53 | 2079393 Calmyourself
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The kinetic conventional war yeah give or take 10 days, the unconventional fallout, hezbollah across the world digging up explosives andusing them across the globe, years...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 18:58 | 2079600 HungrySeagull
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10 minutes?

no. Islam will rise against us. Or was it the Persians, I get all confused.


Reduce the Iran problem to two simple questions for yourself and family.


1- do you live near or within range of a target in the USA that can be hit by a Nuclear weapon?

2- are you able to instantly discard everything you have known and loved living in this age of technology and go back to horseback and mule with some kind of manual skill set such as ammuntion reloading or lumber cutting etc that will make you be of value to the locals around you.


My eyes behold a nation of obese people who simply will be butchered by the wolves. Thier cries and pleadings will be unheard.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:04 | 2078985 Mercury
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Maybe, but at this point a(nother) MENA war isn't going to alter the crash course much one way or the other.

When Bush got on TV and gave the big build up speech for the Iraq war ~2002 I swear I thought the country in question was going to be Iran.  They had a large, younger, educated and largely pro-Western and pro-American population (at the time) unhappy with life under the mullahs...who expressed support for the USA after 9/11.... If the policy was to be regime change Iran seemed like low hanging fruit.

 Not that we necessesarily should have but I wonder what would have happened if Bush threw US military support behind Iranian regime opposition that day instead.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:06 | 2079005 drink or die
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Iraq was an easy target.  Crippled already by sanctions and no real allies in the region.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:34 | 2079129 samsara
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Iran wasn't yet selling Oil for something other than USD's.

Iraq was.   It isn't any more.

Iran now is,  Hence it is where it is.... In the Parallax view

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 19:02 | 2079612 HungrySeagull
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Trains were rolling on both mainline tracks hauling flat cars, low boys and heavy haul stock by the hundreds day and night southward to get our military deployed.

I can still hear the screech and roar to this day.


I quietly worked with other truckers for a few weeks hauling war material to the ports for Korea back in the 90's Not a word anywhere in the MSM and yet the entire Truckstop with all of the lot full of war material and drivers talking about who is going where with what and planning what they will do when Seoul vanishes in a hour or less to a crushing Artillery strike.


One day the N Korean leader had a heart attack and died, and we were back to hauling walmart shit.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 17:59 | 2079409 Calmyourself
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Thats it huh, war, that is the criteria. Hmm, not much of a wonder how you managed to vote for him last time with good solid concrete policy reasons like hopey changey, good on ya, good thinking..

Don't forget those grecian columns, thats why I voted for him, grecian columns..  Seriously, what says Aristotelian brilliance better, no college grades none of the mans writing ever released, but styrofoam grecian columns yes sir.. Count me in the hopey changey intellectual army..

Your name (d&d @ 14:50) is that a choice I get to make for you or??

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 20:52 | 2079894 drink or die
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Are you retarded?  I don't think you got the point of my message (or you are to blinded by rage against one particular candidate).  I've voted 3rd party/libertarian since I was 18 because I'm not stupid enough to fall for your left/right wing bull.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 22:44 | 2080168 Calmyourself
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Retarded hmm, thats the best you got. Said it yourself fool, Bammy less likely to start a war 1 in 5 iirc..  So thats the criteria, as mitts and santorum will, okay.

 Yep you did vote for the moron, you must be momma's favorite window licker..  No one who has supported 3rd party candidates like you claim can be stupid enough to do that.

 You actually think for a second Mr. hopey changey is the best choice after the damage he has done..  There is some fun coming and I hope we meet and you can apologize but just keep in mind the night of long knives and hope your one of the useful idiots who make it to the camp.

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 00:22 | 2080311 drink or die
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Yeah throughout history they put the people who possess reading comprehension and intelligence in the camps.  Don't worry, you'll be safe.  And if it doesn't happen, you can always make some more online threats, tough guy!

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:15 | 2079039 SomethingWicked
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The Ron Paul choice is the "get 'er done quickly and let's move on".  Every other choice involves driving this economic Pinto until the flat tires come off the rims and something hits us from behind 'unexpectedly'.

This isn't about Ron Paul the man.  This is about the American people showing TPTB that there are limits.  If RP can get elected even with the MSM cynical snubbing and 'unelectable' rumbling, America will have reclaimed something that is currently in short supply.


Fri, 01/20/2012 - 00:12 | 2080293 TerraHertz
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I too hope Ron Paul is not elected. Two reasons:

1. He's a very nice, honest, kindly and brave old man, and he doesn't deserve to be assasinated. Which he would be, long before he was sworn in.

2. Being saved by a nice old man, is too good for Amerika. You guys flatly don't deserve him. You are all cowards for shunting off your civic responsibilities onto his shoulders, and selfish bastards for expecting RP to take the extreme personal risk involved in attempting to play a one man salvation game for you.

You all KNOW what has to be done. You've got people like Corzine outright stealing billions, politicians who are trying to start WWIII, cops who walk up to innocent persons on the street and beat them senseless (or to death), banks that steal and onsell your land titles... and so on to sickenning lengths...  and yet, STILL there's nothing but talk.

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 01:08 | 2080375 GFKjunior
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Totally agree with 1.


Most of the world is guilty of letting 2 happen to them. Eurozone, Asia, Latin America, we are all globally oppressed by the state with politicians and bankers in bed with each other.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:24 | 2078851 kato
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"I was having drinks with three other people recently here in Boulder.  Every single person at the table thought the official 9/11 story was a total bunch of bull (building 7 anyone?)."

That does not mean so much in the People's Republic of Boulder in which everyone has a Medical Ganja card is permanently addled. Love the lithe sushi restaurant though – what is it called…?

Not sure what you are referring to as “the official 9/11 story”.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:31 | 2078876 I Am Not a Copp...
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Yes you are kato, you are just trying to bait someone into an argument

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:34 | 2078890 redpill
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The problem is of course that the federal government powers that be can't both be retarded impotent goons losing control of everything as well as being cunning and sophisticated masterminds able to pull off such a vast conspiracy that would be required for the "9/11 inside job" theories at the same time.  


Fri, 01/20/2012 - 09:19 | 2078962 HD
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Masterminds they are not - I assure you.  I'm all for a good conspiracy but 9-11 isn't it...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:12 | 2079029 The Deleuzian
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Of course there are hyper-intelligent people at the top...But everyone and every group eventually makes a big mistake...However they have an advantage...They can make up everything as they go...Hell, If I had my own TV station...Things would probably be different

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 17:50 | 2079383 Conax
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They didn't actually get away with it. I saw a survey once that had 70% saying they didn't believe the official story. Now the gov wants to forget it, and are just ignoring it. WTC 7 is unexplainable, by them.  They didn't come out squeaky clean at all.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:40 | 2080021 Diet Coke and F...
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Nice avatar, Conax.

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 03:17 | 2080468 Conax
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Old Bill was a piece of work. Great American, although a bit thuggish.

I like yours better!

Sat, 01/21/2012 - 14:24 | 2084348 Diet Coke and F...
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He he he... No coke and hookers for me, so I had to settle... Last year I quit both Diet Coke and floozies... Can't afford any of it lol... Now I just make soap and study economics... ZH crowd may not appreaciate my teachers... They helped make the Euro! I find to be balanced, it is important to study as many points of view as possible and not be closed minded... Helps with the big picture...


Oh, and the full photo...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 20:53 | 2079896 Seer
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The Federal govt isn't some monolithic entity.  And, it changes...

Manhattan Project.  And then there's NASA (another branch of the Pentagon).  No, there IS an element of the Fed that is in fact quite capable; trillions of dollars will buy you a lot of materials and minds.

The Congress and Executive branch are only there as "Dancing Bears" (to distract us while the real, highly capable powers operate).

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:22 | 2079977 Pants McPants
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I'd suggest the split you mention is actually two sides of the same coin.  Smart people can play dumb much longer than dumb people can pretend to be smart. 

I mean, the majority of the masses are convinced that spending creates prosperity!  In my darkest, cynical moments I can appreciate the beauty of how far TPTB have taken this charade.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 23:00 | 2080182 robobbob
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yes they can

ever read about the omnipotence of the Soviet police state, but somehow was unable to build a functioning automobile or provide adequate supplies a toilet paper?

the chinese could exterminate 70million human beings without so much as a rebellion rising against them, but it took loral to show them how to keep their missles from crashing, and google to keep their internet locked down

a small, dedicated, intelligent group focused on an objective can accomplish the extraordinary. transfer those methods to a mass of bureaucracy, and mediocracy prevails.

try watching the movie "Brazil' thats your red pill for today

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:49 | 2078946 The Deleuzian
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Grew up as a kid in Boulder...Miss it much...Great town...Even with all the homeless migrants hanging about...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:53 | 2078963 GOSPLAN HERO
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There are many comrades in Boulder, CO.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:00 | 2078990 The Deleuzian
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Is the original Old Chicago still downtown?  What about the Dark Horse...Although I was never allowed in there as a kid!!!!

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:16 | 2079044 sabra1
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didn't Mork and Mindy reside in Boulder?

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:22 | 2079066 The Deleuzian
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Yep...Right at 17th and Pine...They're still there...Boulder has grown in all directions imaginable since the 70's!

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:26 | 2078859 fonzannoon
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I just read this...

"The Federal Reserve is likely to step in with $1 trillion worth of easing that could be announced as soon as this month, according to a growing consensus of economists who see the recent uptick in economic growth as unsustainable"

This combined with the bullshit supercomittee does not get US downgraded? Politically this will fly?


Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:40 | 2078911 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Drinks on Bernanke, bitchez!

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:58 | 2078981 The Deleuzian
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Can you imagine doing shots all night with Bernanke!!!  What would you drink to...If something happened...Would you stick up for him or let some ex-high school football player with a 'small prick' complex beat the printing press out of him...HMMMMMM..........

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:19 | 2079053 sabra1
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i could imagine bwarny fwank cumming all over the bernanks beard!

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 19:06 | 2079620 HungrySeagull
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Eat a very large meal, take a pretend shot slowly and rub salt into your eyes to look drunker and drunker and act like it.

If you keep this up long enough anyone but the most corroded liver will be passed out under your table.


But be warned, there are some fatties that can take gallons and gallons that will put you on Life support and possible a eventual burial simply because your brainstem cannot function the heart and lungs with such a percentage of alchol.


As far as the money is concerned, it's not for you me or them. It's all imaginary.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 20:56 | 2079912 Seer
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It's already been "captured:"

Drunken Ben Bernanke Tells Everyone At Neighborhood Bar How Screwed U.S. Economy Really Is

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 22:23 | 2080127 chump666
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I would drink him into oblivion.  Bet you that guy would get drunk on a sip of Sake.

He looks weak.

A weak man that prints money.


Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:44 | 2078928 JLee2027
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I believe if the Federal Reserve OPENLY tried that, there could be riots in the streets of Washington DC.  It's an election year. All the cowards are hunkering down.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 18:03 | 2079420 Calmyourself
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Because we are a bit upset at the FR, do not think for a second you could actually stir enough sheep to do anything but change the channel..

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:26 | 2079083 NEOSERF
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Only 10% of the population will read this as a negative thing and 10% of that might actually write to someone, blog something or generally care...this 1% won't even come close to unhinging the other 1%....

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:27 | 2078860 centerline
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Appreciate the post here.  I have been saying something similar for months now.  Given the reality of the global situation, there should rightfully be fireworks all over the place... flashing warning lights... buzzers... air raid sirens... etc.  But, what do we have?  Not shit.  Nothing.  Just crickets chirping and markets happily melting up.

Meanwhile, the average America is just treading water and burning the candle from both ends just to do this.  Folks have largely given up on the idea of paying down debts.  But can't give up the consumer lifestyle at the same time.  All that social programming working in an odd way for and against the corrupt system at the same time.  It is almost comical.  

If this doesn't scare the shit out of anyone who has even a tiny bit of a clue as to pressures in the system, you must be clinically brain-dead (or really, really high... which is perfectly understanable).



Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:03 | 2078998 Meremortal
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"Given the reality of the global situation, there should rightfully be fireworks all over the place... flashing warning lights... buzzers... air raid sirens... etc. But, what do we have? Not shit. Nothing."

It's easy to predict a crash, just as easy as predicting a boom. Both are always going to happen at some point in the future.

The only useful thing is to be able to predict WHEN.

I see useless people. 

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:14 | 2079033 sdmjake
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'Tis the calm before the storm...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 19:08 | 2079623 HungrySeagull
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No. It's the Tornado Sirens clearing throats and wailing softly during a clear day like clockwork every week.

When they are activated and allowed to scream and shake the very ground under your home it's time to swing into your fraidy hole drill.


I'll take 5 minutes of terror over a week of hurricane any day.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:31 | 2078863 Mercury
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I don’t believe there are markets any longer...I think these “markets” are now merely a mechanism for government propaganda and a  method to ultimately fleece more money from the uniformed masses that play in it by the casino operators and their puppets in government.  It’s basically a hologram....  For now, I am still willing to play the game with some of my own capital but I fear I may regret this decision and that the smart thing would be to pull out completely and go entirely into hard assets as well as real estate abroad.  This game is not safe.

Now thats a piece of marketing material.

Where do I send my check?

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:28 | 2078864 carbonmutant
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“markets” are now merely a mechanism for government propaganda"...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:31 | 2078880 centerline
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And life support for pension funds. Just another cog in the ponzi machine. Smoke and mirrors.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 20:59 | 2079919 Seer
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Government is only just the megaphone...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:29 | 2078866 Cognitive Dissonance
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The illusion is perceived as real, thus perception IS reality.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:38 | 2078898 HD
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You don't have to perceive the bus for it to run you just have to be in the way.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:54 | 2078964 Cognitive Dissonance
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Not saying reality (as in a speeding bus) isn't 'real'. All I am saying is that anything we wish to perceive as real, and we often 'wish' to because of prior conditioning or bias, IS for all intents and purposes 'real'.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:02 | 2078992 HD
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I know mate. I don't disagree.  I'm just getting a little restless waiting for that bus to head down wall street.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:22 | 2079064 mick_richfield
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anything we wish to perceive as real ... IS for all intents and purposes 'real'.

Sorry, CD.  The voices in my head say that's bullshit.  And I believe them.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:33 | 2079123 Cognitive Dissonance
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I see your mind control is progressing nicely. Excellent.

Are you still clutching those 'family' photos (a la Blade Runner) like you were told to? :>)

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 18:42 | 2079547 mick_richfield
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched seabeams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time.  Like tears in the rain.

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 00:46 | 2080346 samsara
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Great Speech, Great Speech.  Thanks for the exact verbage.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:05 | 2079933 Seer
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Prior conditioning (I call it programming) allows us to have an excuse/support for ACTING as though something is 'real.'

How many times do you hear of someone saying that they basically do something just so that they don't get chastised (with that possibly leading to things like divorce, job loss etc)?

People lock in to the dominant culture because they're programmed to accept that culture, even if it means they'll perish as a result of clinging to that culture.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 20:37 | 2079856 blindman
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@"perception is reality."
i think that is half right. then there is the translation
of the experience, the decoding? or coding of the perception
into words, language, within a context of place, time, setting
with perspective and other parts of speech...where are the
nouns and verbe/s? and the hierarchy of adjectives and such.
which makes me ask... if you write a story and i translate it
into my language then someone in my tribe reads it did they
read the reality of your story?
so there is the emotional reality of any perception which is
experienced and there is memory of the perception. but,
in another sense neither of them is reality ! or all per-ception
or appre-hension is illusion? maybe? it might be instructive for
me to look up the definitions of these terms.
this site comes highly recommended from the best source.
online etymology dictionary
perception late 15c., "receiving, collection," from L. perceptionem (nom. perceptio) "perception, apprehension, a taking," from percipere "perceive" (see perceive). First used in the more literal sense of the Latin word; in secondary sense, "the taking cognizance of," it is recorded in English from 1610s. Meaning "intuitive or direct recognition of some innate quality" is from 1827.
reality 1540s, originally a legal term in the sense of "fixed property," from M.L. realitatem (nom. realitas), from L.L. realis; meaning "real existence" is from 1640s.
Snooks Eaglin - Reality (Formerly "Wake Up")

Fri, 01/20/2012 - 22:13 | 2083177 blindman
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this goes here, better late than never.
pun intended.
Through the Wormhole: Does Time Exist?

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:29 | 2078875 GeneMarchbanks
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'I believe their actions are representative of nothing more than rats scurrying around.'

I'm seeing the opposite, Mike. With every real or manufactured crisis, I see the sociopaths consolidating important positions while people continue demanding change that begins with others and not themselves. All this only goes to show the impotence and general malcontent of the population.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:39 | 2078908 Captain Kink
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With every real or manufactured crisis, I see the sociopaths consolidating important positions while people continue demanding change that begins with others and not themselves.

Wow, Gene, well said.  Kudos for the succinct encapsulation of the situation. Perfect.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:30 | 2078877 q99x2
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Enjoyed it thanks. Also, a gang of older people that don't get along with the winter cold will be joining in the protests this year. Elderly are almost as powerful as "doing it for the children." Although, some realize they are more like wolves in sheeps clothing. Great show on Coast to Coast last night about NDAA/NWO.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:34 | 2078885 ElvisDog
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Good stuff, Mike. Despite the fact that I would most likely lose my job and my lifestyle, I look forward to our corrupt system collapsing.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 17:25 | 2079309 Mikehy
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Thats a whole lot of schadenfreude.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:35 | 2078887 blunderdog
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Sounds about right to me. "Economy of scale" in reverse seems to be the current zeitgeist.  The major institutions still wield tremendous power, though--it could easily take a decade for things to fall apart.

(I like that Clif High fella, but I don't think his computer tells the future, and I'm pretty skeptical about the dueling spaceships over Seattle too.  Then again, I don't have 3rd-gen nightvision gear to look for myself.)

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:46 | 2080031 Seer
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"Economy of scale" in reverse

I can't believe that someone finally picked up on what I've been saying for ages now ( [probably an even older reference around somewhere])!


Thu, 01/19/2012 - 21:55 | 2080059 blunderdog
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I've been thinking about the intersection of economic and physical efficiencies for awhile, and thinking of our civilization as an organism for awhile, but I probably plagiarized the phrase.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:35 | 2078892 chump666
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if the S&P goes neg in the next 20min...and i mean might go neg. 

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:39 | 2078904 fonzannoon
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Maybe until 3pm.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:08 | 2079011 chump666
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yeah.  the HFTs won't let profit taking.  crazy market dying to correct.  its all the ECB

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:15 | 2079036 SheepDog-One
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Must.....get....few more.....retail longs...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:19 | 2079054 chump666
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haha yeah seems like that

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:18 | 2079049 chump666
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hardly any bids some momo is holding a fat long.  all eyes on the s&p...c,mon baby f*ck europe.  be riots there in a few weeks once that italian madman's inflation wave hits

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:29 | 2079096 NEOSERF
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2200 pts up in the last 16 weeks...averaging 150 pts a week...will be at 13K because WE HAVE TO GET THERE, IT IS THE NEXT HEADLINE TARGET...will get there by mid Feb...

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:37 | 2078899 goldnguns
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Put your funds into assets that have a proven track record of "growth" - like chickens, rabbits, guinea pigs, backyard gardens.  Soon enough you will be selling an egg to your pitiful neighbor for a solid silver quarter.  Unless your neighbor is a hungry banksta, then sell it to him for a gold eagle.



Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:40 | 2078913 Dr. Engali
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Three years ago I was one of these people:


"Every single person at the table thought the official 9/11 story was a total bunch of bull (building 7 anyone?).I didn't even bring it up.  It was remarkable.  That never would have happened three years ago. "

Good piece thank you.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 15:56 | 2078970 Captain Kink
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This kind of stuff is infuriating.  Were any of you conspiracy theorists even there?! Or even within a hundred miles? A thousand? Damn.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:18 | 2079051 Dr. Engali
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Just for the record I'm not in the "government did it camp " either. But after looking at the evidence I have been swayed to be open to the possibilities.

Thu, 01/19/2012 - 16:52 | 2079187 flattrader
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Thanks for posting that.

I got the same story out a NYC Firefighter who told me a lot of the confusion involved how different trades use the term "pull" v. what non-trades people believe it means. As a former LEO (not from the NYC or the east coast,) we traded some terms back and forth and discovered they can also differ regionally to some degree...and then there's the cultural/race/hometalk terminology between geographic areas which is just hysterical...and confusing as hell in a LE situation.

This lays it out pretty clearly.

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