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Mike Krieger: "Rebellion Has Arrived In America"

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From Mike Krieger of KAM LP

The Bill of Rights is a literal and absolute document. The First Amendment doesn't say you have a right to speak out unless the government has a 'compelling interest' in censoring the Internet. The Second Amendment doesn't say you have the right to keep and bear arms until some madman plants a bomb. The Fourth Amendment doesn't say you have the right to be secure from search and seizure unless some FBI agent thinks you fit the profile of a terrorist. The government has no right to interfere with any of these freedoms under any circumstances.

- Harry Browne
 
The inherent right in the people to reform their government, I do not deny; and they have another right, and that is to resist unconstitutional laws without overturning the government.

- Daniel Webster
 
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.

- Samuel Adams
 
Rebellion Has Arrived in America

As most of you know, I spend almost as much time studying social changes and geopolitics happening around the world as I do studying markets.  While carefully observing those areas are always important to a macro investor such as myself, when you are smack in the middle of a Fourth Turning they take on an increased level  of importance.  What has shielded the U.S. from a lot of the social strife sweeping the rest of the globe at the moment has been the U.S. dollar’s reserve status since this allows us to print seemingly infinite amounts of paper dollars and shove them down the throats of the rest of the world for their resources.  This keeps the populace fat, happy and most importantly asleep and apathetic.  Well I am pleased to announce that those days are OVER.  The American populace is now in the very beginnings of a state of open peaceful rebellion against the criminal oligarchic mafia that runs the nation through fraud and corruption.  The status quo is likely to become increasingly defensive as a result and may lash out aggressively like a cornered rat, but they cannot and will not win.  They can only really win when they own your mind and that battle has already been lost.  Six months from now the state of rebellion will have moved from just beneath to the surface to the forefront of everyone’s mind.  It will be a peaceful and constitutional rebellion and it will end with new ways of doing things, more freedoms and a very long road toward rebuilding a safe, fair, free and localized society once TPTB’s prison planet grid of control has been torn down forever.
 
Occupy Wall Street 

I will be the first to admit that I faded the whole idea of this “Occupy Wall Street” protest.  I had already seen several failed attempts at protest in NYC come and go and I just sadly assumed the spirit of that once great city had died forever.  I am extraordinarily happy to report that I was wrong.  When I watched some video of police brutality at NYC protests this weekend I was stunned.  Not because the cops acted like some mercenary storm trooper thugs, but because this protest that has started the week before still had momentum!  Check out this link regarding what is going on.  It has two must watch videos.  http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=194965  The first one already has over 400k watches on youtube.  This is the spark I have been waiting for and I am pleased beyond belief that it happened in Manhattan right where it should.  How about this appearance of Cornel West at the protest on Tuesday.  http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/cornel-west-at-occupy-wall-str... I am proud of my old home today.  This is a big deal.  The serfs are coming together.  Keep it up.

Most of you reading this right now are thinking that this is interesting but he is exaggerating and this will blow over.  I am here to assure you that it is not and this whole thing is about to grow exponentially as the economy continues to stagnate and people climb the learning curve.  Are you aware that the founder of Salon.com, David Talbot, is publicly calling for an “American Spring?”  This of course is a reference to the Arab Spring, in which revolution swept across North Africa earlier this year and led to the collapse of the Tunisian and Egyptian governments and then major government bribes to the people living in the oil rich kingdoms.  Mr. Talbot writes “In these increasingly hard times, Salon is dedicating itself to an American revival. Our editorial mission will become more explicitly and aggressively populist. We will be publishing more investigative pieces, exposing the shadow dance of power. And both Democratic and Republican targets will be fair game, since both parties are increasingly under the control of the same corporate forces.”  His full piece is here http://www.salon.com/about/american_spring/index.html?story=/about/insid... You need to read it if you want to understand where all of this is headed.  How about journalist Chris Hedges talking about “Occupy Wall Street” http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/chris-hedges-occupy-wall-stree... We the people now understand it is not “rich vs. poor,” businessperson vs. teacher.”  It is serf vs. oligarch.  They are 0.1% and we know what they are up to.  GAME ON.

Jaime Dimon Proves he is a Complete and Total Psychopath

I am not even going to write my own thought paragraph about how delusional and insane this man’s statements were the other day on banking regulations.  Rather I will provide links to articles by people that have done a great job of exposing the absurdity of this parasitic oligarch’s comments.  My favorite line by far on this is from fellow ex-Wall Streeter Nomi Prins who writes:

“There are few things more cringe-inducing than a government-subsidized bank CEO spouting self-serving, entitlement-laden idiocy to the world just because he and his bank might be subject to some extra constraints. That hasn’t stopped JPM Chase CEO Jamie Dimon from acting like a spoiled, sociopathic brat while characterizing proposed Basel III capital requirements and regulations as ‘anti-American’ at every opportunity.  They are not ‘anti-American’ but globally risk-mitigating in a time of widespread economic Depression, a point lost in the haze of Dimon’s megalomania.”

Her full article is here http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-jamie-dimon%E2%80%99s-shameful-.... Precious metals hero and money manager Eric Sprott chimed in with this letter to the Globe and Mail. http://www.businessinsider.com/eric-sprott-jamie-dimon-letter-2011-9

Jaime Dimon is a real piece of work.  It is as if he is asking for a custom made guillotine (metaphorically speaking of course as I do not condone violence in any way shape or form).  At least Lloyd Blankfein had the sense to read the writing on the wall, shut up and hire an attorney.

So in conclusion, rebellion has arrived on America’s shores and it is about time.  The moment is here for each of us to make important decisions.  Save freedom and liberty or allow the oligarchs to enslave us and your children for generations.  Peter Orzag recently wrote that “We need Less Democracy.”  http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/magazine/94940/peter-orszag-democrac... This is what these guys are gunning for.  Just think about who this “WE” he is talking about is.

And don’t kid yourself.  Pretty much everyone on this list is a serf no matter how rich you are.  Don’t kid yourself.

Peace and Wisdom,
Mike     

 

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Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:33 | 1722947 Smithovsky
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man your pitchforks, people

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:39 | 1722991 John Wayne
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James Pepper: What are you going to do?
John Simpson Chisum: What I had done twenty-five years ago. Pat, get the men out of South Camp. Trace, you round up everybody that can ride a horse or pull a trigger. Let's break out some Winchesters!

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:41 | 1723024 Dental Floss Tycoon
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I'm confident that the CIA has plans for "managing" an American spring just like they did in the Mid East.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:45 | 1723045 john39
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yup.  they will infiltrate and coopt (or attempt to) any real push towards change.  the tea party is one recent example...   now in egypt the people have figured out that the military is still firmly in control, and nothing much has changed.  this fight has a long way to go.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:02 | 1723142 nope-1004
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Jamie Dimon is an incompetent fool.  So is Blythe Masters, for that matter.

ANYONE on the planet can make a business grow and profit if you've got the reserve currency government in your back pocket and you are free to manipulate commodity exchanges with disregard and wanton arrogance, as well as front-run every trade.  But that profit is grossly tainted -  yet he not only accepts it but craves it.

His statements about "un american" only confirm that he himself admits that he can't run a business and make it profitable unless he has 300 million people supporting him.

WHAT A FUCKING FOOL.

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:12 | 1723219 chumbawamba
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Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:34 | 1723331 whstlblwr
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How can I trust anything from someone signing off "I am Chumbawamba" ridiculous as signing off Pods.

This Krieger article good, and applaud Salon effort, but not necessarily comments from editor who calls TeaParty fake. Or effort to discredit RP. They are concern for true libertarian policies that seem to limit regulation.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:35 | 1723357 redpill
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Being concise seems to be a lost art form these days.

In short summary:
Less talk about raising taxes
More talk about raising gallows

Hypothetically, of course, right Mr. Sprott?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:00 | 1723480 Hugh_Jorgan
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"Occupy Wall Street" is a bunch of chump-assed, suburban teenagers and their 1960s Radical Senior Citizen activist handlers, like that nutcase Cornell West. These people are "Useful Idiots" for the very Oligarchs that they protesting. They're a bunch of wannabe, spoiled kids and the police know this, and that is why they are hauling them in for kneeling/sitting in the middle of what the police are required to keep "a working street". It's ridiculous crap.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:04 | 1723497 redpill
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They are protesting the right thing for the wrong reason and with a logically incoherent motivation.  Sounds like '60s leftists alright.

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:25 | 1723595 GoinFawr
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Well then, you`d better get right down there with a megaphone and set em straight Red. You know, do your part.

" I went down to the demostration, to get my fair share of abuse. I said we're gonna vent our frustration, if we don't we'll blow a fifty amp fuse... You Kent always git whatchu wahnt..."-'Stones

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:43 | 1723674 redpill
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And throw pearls before the swine?  I think not.  Protesters tend not to be the best listeners.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:11 | 1723810 GoinFawr
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Really?

And you know this from experience I bet...

So, would you categorize yourself as a privileged prejudiced elitist defeatist who has already decided to play right into his enemies' hands then? Or is this more of a 'I'm all right so ef all the rest' Ayn Randian kinda thing?

If so: good luck with that. I mean look at how well that has been working so far...

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:31 | 1723887 Haywood Jablowme
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"Rebellion has arrived in America"........

WELL IT'S ABOUT COT FUCKIN' DAMN TIME.  CAN WE BLOW THE ROOF OFF THIS BITCH NOW OR WHAT?

WITH ALL THE GOLD, SILVER, BUG-OUT SHIT, ETC. THAT I'VE ACCUMULATED, I HONESTLY DON'T EVEN GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT IT ANYMORE.  IT'S TIME TO GET RIGHT.



Thu, 09/29/2011 - 18:27 | 1724053 redpill
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Nope, I'm more of the "actions instead of hollow words" type.  So instead of protesting in NYC and then going to Starbucks and buying a latte using a TBTF Bank Credit Card with a $10k balance, I'm actually modifying my lifestyle to get away from empowering the large financial institutions that are enslaving the populace.

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 20:10 | 1724140 GoinFawr
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"So instead of protesting in NYC and then going to Starbucks and buying a latte using a TBTF Bank Credit Card with a $10k balance..."

I'm sure some of them do that, but it says a lot about you that you would imply/assume that was the mean for the protestors.

"I'm actually modifying my lifestyle to get away from empowering the large financial institutions that are enslaving the populace."

Hahah! Ok, ok, 'Action Jackson', that's just about as vague as any FEDspeak rationalization I've ever had to read,  but I guess that's all you are willing to offer. I'll take your word for it; whatever helps you sleep at night.

FWIW: 'Protesting' is an action, last time I checked.

Look, all I am saying is that your self righteous attitude and stereotypical presumptions about the character of those protesting are very rude because they are directed at people who are risking their own personal safety on, to their knowledge, your behalf. And for that reason if you feel they are misguided you owe it to them to go down and tell them why, rather than denigrating their efforts from the relative safety of your own couch. Which, incidentally, is precisely what TPTB you claim to loathe so much wish you to do. Either that or you should just STFU about it IMO.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:14 | 1724716 Das Capitalist
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Activism is a farce.

I do it anyway.

It helps me sleep at night.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:24 | 1724719 sullymandias
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right on.

the radical left and libertarians are natural allies. they are the two most vocal and active opponents of fascist federal government and the corrupt corporate/capitalist system. i dont know why the two groups have such a hard time with each other.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 11:20 | 1725889 Bob
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Bingo.  It's the Ron Paul-Ralph Nader Paradox.  We'd all love that ideal world that is made in our own fantasy image, but in this one enlightened compromise is absulutely necessary. 

Nobody can agree on fundamentally important things (military, TBTF, civil liberties, etc.) more meaningfully than the princpled libertarians and principled liberals. 

Our failure to do so seems to be the most tragically defining divide-and-conquer action going on today. 

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 10:26 | 1728766 Das Capitalist
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Bob, this is one of the more inspiring things I've read in the ZH comments section.  Speak on my man,

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 02:35 | 1724973 redpill
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How am I self-righteous?  Because I'm tired of protesters that are cheap facades?  You're living in a dream world if you don't think most of these protesters are knee deep in debt and have no plan of getting out.  They are the cash cows for the very people they rail against.

 

You really want to protest?  Close your goddamn Chase account and find a local credit union.  Relentlessly e-mail your boss/CEO/financial advisor and tell them you are tired of their bullshit mutual fund options that feed the Wall Street beast and you want to be able to have precious metal holdings in your 401k plan.  Stop buying things on credit.  Get out of debt and stay that way.  THAT is protesting, because THAT is what takes their power away.  Walking down the street and waving a sign?  Might be a nice spectacle, but doesn't really require much other than time.  Where's the real sacrifice?  Half these protester types treat it as an activist party and don't have a fucking clue why they are even there.  The other half would eagerly gobble up a government handout and sell their vote for it at the drop of a hat.  So please, save your fucking lecture.

 

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 02:49 | 1724984 GoinFawr
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Are you drunk? I only ask because, like you, drunks sometimes tell the same story over and over again without realizing that they are repeating themselves.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 12:10 | 1726106 redpill
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Remember what I said about some folks not being good listeners?  Perhaps I need to keep repeating it until you begin to.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 23:00 | 1726247 GoinFawr
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Hahaha!  My that`s rich, coming from you.

"Me self righteous? Because I'm tired of protesters that are cheap facades? You're living in a dream world if you don't think most of these protesters are knee deep in debt and have no plan of getting out."

Riiight. Wow, you just know everyone, don`t you? So how did you get so much in-depth personal information about every last protestor in order to support your inane assertions? MSM or online video clips is my guess. IE you didn`t. you`re just talking out of your spotty behind. More likely wishful thinking to rationalize your own recreance by disparaging  someone else`s legitimate actions on your behalf .

You know which cheap facade I`m tired of? The flimsiest  one where someone like you presents his unsubstantiated opinions of others as if they are based on fact. Dead fucking tired of that I am. Seriously, where are you getting your information? 

For someone who claims they are not self righteous you certainly seem to have an inflated opinion of your own piety and virtuousness, IMO.

"They are the cash cows for the very people they rail against."

Hunh? Yeah, they`re there because they are sick and tired of being treated like cattle.

"You really want to protest? Close your goddamn Chase account and find a local credit union. Relentlessly e-mail your boss/CEO/financial advisor and tell them you are tired of their bullshit mutual fund options that feed the Wall Street beast and you want to be able to have precious metal holdings in your 401k plan. Stop buying things on credit. Get out of debt and stay that way. THAT is protesting, because THAT is what takes their power away. Walking down the street and waving a sign? Might be a nice spectacle, but doesn't really require much other than time. Where's the real sacrifice? "

Excuse me, but what on earth makes you think you know that I, or any/all of those protesting, haven`t already done all these things (or their equivalents) and more a long time ago?

Tell you what, you get kettled, maced and arrested for promoting the interests of some ingrate like yourself and then tell me if you  can recognize the 'real sacrifice.'

"Half these protester types treat it as an activist party and don't have a fucking clue why they are even there. The other half would eagerly gobble up a government handout and sell their vote for it at the drop of a hat."

Heh, you`re one helluva self-purported omniscient , I`ll give you that. I heard you the first time, honest. Got anything more than state conditioned rote to back up your position? I'm listening...

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 20:40 | 1724403 Landrew
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I could not have said it better ha! I so dislike people like that, pretenders who talk Cock Brother Bullshit! I say FUCK the banksters! Occupy Wall Street has it right , fuck the banksters! I sent them 10 pizzas to Liberty Square through 

http://www.menupages.com/restaurants/liberatos-pizza/menu

A Mom/Pop pizza joint that sent free food! Join me in sending food and I will be there when I get back from Chile.

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:00 | 1724688 Ranger4564
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I go by almost everyday to play my part, but a friend and I also donated money to the Food and Media groups, to make sure they're alive and getting the message out.  Since i live in NYC, I don't eat the food / drink they have on site... I leave that to the people who are spending the nights / days there.

The world has always needed people with the courage to go out and speak up, so the less courageous could muster their courage and join. That is what OWS is... courageous people showing the rest of the country that it's OK to come the fuck out and show the rich that they are far outnumbered. 

The People United, Can Never Be Defeated.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:09 | 1724691 TruthInSunshine
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It's a start.

That's the important thing.

Every meaningful revolution has an inception, like the tip of a root that has broken through the soil, that germinated from a seed.

During those baby steps that ultimately lead to a significant initial wave striking out against a grossly unfair system, those in power sneer and scoff at "the fools" (and some or many that have joined in may even be fools).

But when there's a just cause that is the foundation of any such movement, and a dire crisis in need of resolution, where things spring from the initial baby steps ultimately depends on wise, moral, inexhaustible and courageous people who will lead the way forward, focusing on the core and critical issues, staying on point, and plotting their path and those of their followers in an effective, efficient and determined manner.

 

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

-- Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:45 | 1723694 macholatte
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They are protesting the right thing for the wrong reason and with a logically incoherent motivation.  Sounds like '60s leftists alright.

 

Yes, but it doesn't mean they are wrong. They need leadership.

Cornel West is a racist pig. He hates white people and supports Obama because he is black, period. The man has no redeeming qualities unless you are also a black racist. It is that kind of person the children are listening to. Let them migrate to a Ron Paul or even a Herman Caine but the mindset from brainwashing over the past 40 years is difficult to overcome. Look at the protests in London. Whining about a hike in tuition but not a peep about a Royal Wedding. Serfs to be sure.

Also, Jamie Dimon lives in an alternate universe as do most of the folks he plays with. JPM pays his chauffeur and butler, he has more prestige and cash and perks than he can ever spend so keeping his job is job 1 and nothing else matters. Trade places with him and see how you feel. Expecting him or his buddies to have compassion for commoners is fantasy.

 

Do you seriously expect me to be the first Prince of Wales in history not to have a mistress?
Prince Charles

Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed.
Prince Philip

I sometimes wonder if two thirds of the globe is covered in red carpet.
Prince Charles

 

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 18:20 | 1724037 Bananamerican
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"Yes, but it doesn't mean they are wrong. They need leadership."

they might need a song too...ya never know

http://songsofthegreatdepression.blogspot.com/2011/09/hypnotized.html

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:02 | 1724692 Ura Bonehead
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Let’s be honest.  These are the same radical, professional ‘protesters’ who spend their time trashing and destroying cities hosting WTO meetings, etc.  If there’s ever a REAL war in the streets then I’ll be in the first wave.  But these kids need to move back in with their parents, return to school… and take the time to learn what’s REALLY going on so they can be good and pissed when their (currently dysfunctional) anger is REALLY needed.  And by the way…..  I think I’ve watched all the available videos.  No reason for the mace and beatings but it isn’t as if the clowns protesting weren’t egging on the cops, creating a LOT of tension.  I’m in a comfortable easy chair and I even felt a little threatened.

 

Return to your homes, citizens.  The time and place for your deployment will come.  Just not now, not NYC.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 12:57 | 1726340 Hapte
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They teach what's "really" going on in school?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 14:45 | 1726886 Ura Bonehead
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Who said anything about "teaching." I said "learn." Besides, sitting in a business school class or the school library is a more productive way to sit on your ass and find answers than sitting on your ass in the middle of Wall Street bellyaching to a crowd of nothing more than 300 Policemen, copping attitude, yelling cute sound bites and waving signs with catchy slogans ("I spent ten days in Freedom Square and all I got was this lousy democracy." Jeez). Marketing, good management skills, business communication... At least those are things they still teach in school, aren't it? I just HATE seeing wasted energy and a lost message (agree with it or not) and that's all that's happening with these protesters.

College also gives you time to grow-up and realize you can't have a positive influence towards change with only youthful attitude and a loud voice. For course, college or not, some boys never become men.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:03 | 1724695 Ranger4564
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Wrong.  The new paradigm of the 21st and future centuries is leaderless decision making.  It is people who rise and fall, like waves, to make their mark for a brief time and then let others rise. The paradigm is what Anonymous represents, and what OWS is using on site when it comes to people expressing views / directing meetings. They don't need someone from outside to act like another pompous prick. They need people to respect that to have true democracy, you need direct democracy, so the only way forward is to speak your mind, then let other decide, Yay or Nay.  No Leadership... you want to lead, join a bank.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 11:24 | 1725908 Bob
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FYI, Cornell West has nothing but contempt for Barry Obama.  He's been tarred and feathered by most of the so-called Left for it. 

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 16:33 | 1729450 macholatte
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Yes he's trying to make himself important by saying he won't support Obama but so what? Go check out West from 2008-2009. He's whinning because Barry is not black enough.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:43 | 1723680 High Plains Drifter
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i posted that this movement is probably funded by soros. now why would he fund such a thing?  hmmmm....

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:11 | 1723815 AldousHuxley
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chump-assed

 chumps don't protest, they mark snakry remakrs on the internet

suburban teenagers

there is no true suburb in population dense metros like the NYC area unlike undereducated redneck states like Alabama

1960s Radical Senior Citizen activist handlers

maybe they don't like their life time savings first halved then getting 1% interest

nutcase Cornell West

more confused nutcases in the tea party going against their own self interest

"Useful Idiots" for the very Oligarchs that they protesting

99.9% are all used in one way or another unless you are top 0.1% of those who are truely financially independent...the capitalist owners. Even Obama is used.

 They're a bunch of wannabe, spoiled kids

like Paris Hilton, Bush twins, Walmart trust fund kids, chickhawks in the republican party? But baby boomer tax payers are spoiling the wannabe elite number crunchers on wall st. with bonuses inmagnitude times greater

 
the police know this:

  police are professionally UNIONIZED and run on well oiled pension ponzi scheme on non-unionized private workers' dime. These kids don't have nobody representing them thus the protest of getting screwed. The young are always revolutionaries.

It's ridiculous crap:

What is truely ridiculous is your lack of understanding of what all this is about. It is 0.1% of wealth owners VS the rest. There is no other game. Public protests are a symtom of a sick society. America is dying and you are not helping.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:25 | 1723878 crazyjsmith
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@ Hugh

Yeah, those silly protestors dressed up all funny like, just throwing good Tea into the Harbor, imagine that?  Yep, Useful Idiots.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 18:50 | 1724102 Prometheus418
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Or not (concise speech being a lot art, that is)

Consider the state of our politics- if the soundbytes get any shorter, they'll just be yelling "'Merica- fuck yeah." and people will vote based on their hairdo.

Most things worth thinking about actually cannot be distilled into a sentance or two, and believing that they can be impoverishes us all.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:43 | 1724761 Creepy Lurker
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"Consider the state of our politics- if the soundbytes get any shorter, they'll just be yelling "'Merica- fuck yeah." and people will vote based on their hairdo."

 

I thought they were doing that already, and for a long time now, too.

Personal recollection, 1988: I'm standing in front of the deli counter in a Safeway waiting my turn. There is a lively discussion about the presidential election going on between the customers and the guy behind the counter. The guy behind the counter announces he's going to vote for Bush, so ask him, "Why? What do you like about him?"

He answers, "Well, you wouldn't drink Dukaukis beer, would you?" He is completely serious.

I facepalmed.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:41 | 1723382 pods
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You can't you idiot, that is why you do the research! 

pods

How can I trust anything from someone signing off "I am Chumbawamba" ridiculous as signing off Pods.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:15 | 1723549 toady
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I can't understand why people refuse to think...

It says 'chumbwumba' or 'pods', so I refuse to think.

Read it! Think! Then accept or reject.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:57 | 1723985 whstlblwr
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Limited time, weed out bullshit posters full of self.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:55 | 1723981 whstlblwr
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Looks like too much ego to me. Sign off with fake name. WTF?!

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 19:06 | 1724132 chumbawamba
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Do you have a point, harem boy?

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 21:19 | 1724495 pods
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It is called a nickname, not a fake name.  My nickname happens to be pods, it was given to me by a friend and it came from the movie Tin Cup, as in:

"You got that shot pods, it's a hooded 4 iron."

I very well may have a big ego.  At least I can admit it.  I also admit when I am wrong.  

So exactly what is wrong with signing off a post with a name, nickname, or even handle?

If you have found an error with the topic, I am all for hearing about it.  It is a tricky subject, and any input is welcome.

pods

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 19:06 | 1724133 msamour
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Pods, I believe he was making a reference to the Kent University protests of the late 60's, and it was a pun towards that. I actually understood his use of the mistake in the quote. In addition, i'm French-Canadian, and I got that. Maybe you could look up a few cultural facts before commenting.

Who's the idiot now?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 21:23 | 1724507 pods
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Well I guess maybe I am?

To me it seemed as though it was a shot towards me, as in it used my handle, and it was about a general topic that I gravitate to and post on often.

If I am wrong, BFD, ain't the first and certainly won't be the last time.  

pods

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:37 | 1723646 JohnG
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Chumba has been here writing and knowing the truth for a long, long time.  So has pods.  Have some respect for the few old-timers who are still willing to wade through the circus that the comments have become.  We've lost SO MANY good resources because of the plain idiot posters that make it difficult to sort the real from the crap.

Get real or get out.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:16 | 1723829 chumbawamba
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Thanks.  You stated what I really couldn't care to take the time these days to say ;)

-Chumblez.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 18:07 | 1723996 X.inf.capt
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So,chumba, your posts above were great....

being a newbie, im still learning.

 

i have only come here seeking knowledge....

'the police'

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 18:57 | 1724113 DoChenRollingBearing
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Chumbawamba has a long, glorious and storied history here at ZH.  But, he is opinionated!  I have lost arguments and been sliced to pieces by him!  But, he IS one of the gems here at ZH, and it is great having him back.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 19:14 | 1724151 chumbawamba
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Aw shucks :)

I just don't take any guff is all.  I was always here to be serious.  When you can no longer be taken seriously, it's time to shuffle off.  I previously "left" because Marla booted me.  When I learned from some fellow ZHers that I was welcomed back, there just wasn't any there there anymore, ya know?  I found a new home, a new place to pontificate and debate, somewhere quiet where I could learn without all the noise and racket.  It's been a long, "arduous" journey.  I'm not necessarily "back", per se.  When I have something useful to flog is when I come here, because there's still a lot of bright people and I hope I can help them find the path that I searched long to find.

I sacrificed a lot to attain the current understanding that I do.  I have achieved nearly everything that I promised I would through all the blustering and defiant postings that I made here in the "old" days.  I am getting ready to go live.  Spreading the gospel is the first part.  I am seeding the countryside with allies.  The seedlings will need time to take root and flourish on their own, but I will be patiently waiting and nurturing along the way until I stand amidst a grove of mighty oaks.

Join me!

http://1215.org

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 20:42 | 1724398 JohnG
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Thanks Chumba, I've been reading that site.  Many good thoughts to be had there, some of which I've used.

My main "thing" is to NEVER enter into a contract with the court.  Simply stepping into the well of the court willingly, that is, when not COMPELLED to do so.  This will aggravate the "judge" to no end.  I've had judges get all "pissy," call recesses, continue cases to a later date, etc.  Berate me....I don't let it work.  I actually find it amusing.

Maintaining the sovereignty of the individual, and not succumbing to their "perceived" power structures WORKS.  And they know it.

Never, anyone reading this, NEVER give up your rights (which is both simpler and more complicated that you think.)

Use the law against them.  It works, and it's fun to know how to do it.  They play thier games, I play mine.

Basic common law, dating to the Magna Carta.  Learn about it, and you shall own knowledge, that time learning is well spent.

 

 

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 21:03 | 1724460 chumbawamba
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Are you in Canada, or the UK perhaps?  There are little differences in the common law practice between the US and the other "crown colonies".  In the US, as far as I know, simply stepping into the court proper (the "well") does not confer jurisdiction.  Entering a plea when prompted does.  It is at that time that you want to establish your demand that the trial be held in a court of record (according to the proper definition, meeting the 4 qualifications as outline at 1215.org), and go from there.

I learned a lot watching the common law courts held in the UK, and a lot from the Canadian material, particular Rob Menard.  Rob Menard's video on the "person" is excellent and required viewing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRy9QEuwiCw

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 21:38 | 1724529 pods
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Ah, That Fuckin Menard!

Love him.  I agree that it may be different in the states.  The states seem to have more threat of force.

I have not stood up on my sovereignty yet.  Too man pitfalls, and with two little ones it is too great a risk.  

pods

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:32 | 1724685 JohnG
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  • I reside in the US currently, yet I am a citizen of multiple countries such that I may pass freely.  I have not (yet) renounced US citizenship, it being a "death event," which would cost my family in much more than monetary means, which in itself would be substantial.  Trying to find a way around that.  IRS code is a long hard read, and a fuckload of research.  Best I've found yet is a Swiss trust, but that has become shaky. looking at China.  Hell, the whole world is looking to go to shit.

Voluntarily stepping into the well of the court establishes a contract with the court.  This should be avoided.  Then they've "got you."  It is a common trick.  The judge can "motion" you to come forward, which usually works with defendants who are nervous.  The judge can say "I'd like to speak with you off the record."  Does not matter.  Once you step into the well of the court you're done.

Jurisdiction, depends.  Under what statute CAN the court claim jurisdiction.  State court, Federal?  But, stepping into the well of the court establishes a contract, and one's sovereignty is relinquished.  Yes, entering a plea establishes a contract with the court.  This is overcome by refusing to enter a plea.   YET, there's always the "Alford Plea." should it seem prudent :)  Automatic appeal.....judges HATE that.  They do not want their opinions analyzed.  Once one has entered a plea, jurisdiction is established,

The basic point is to harass them to the point of dismissing the case.  Consume time.  All courts are packed with cases and the courts goal is to get them off their calendar.  Cost them enough time (money) and they will it let go.

I ALWAYS recommend that people have a good lawyer for any charge long before they enter a courtroom.  There are so many ways to trick a defendant.  Few realize that even a "public defender" won't even stand up for you.  They are vastly overworked, will just take a plea "agreement" and recommend you deal with it.  Fuck that.

The best thing, imho, is to stay the hell out of a courtroom.  If one "has to," demand a trial by jury.  The more time (money)and trouble one can cost them, the more likely it is that that charges will be dismissed.

FWIW, I hold a JD (among several other degrees...).  I have not "passed the bar" anywhere.  I took the degree because I had a scholarship and was bored.  Never wanted to be a lawyer. 

I can defend people, just not on a professional basis; I cannot present myself as an attorney, hang a shingle, so to speak.  I can represent, as can anyone, anyone. I simply like to learn.  I have the means, inclination, and time.  Professional student?

 

Hope it helps,

 

JG

 

PS (somehow a bullet point got put into this comment.........the "new" comment box is nonfunctional, text too small....SAC you reading?)

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 00:01 | 1724792 JohnG
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One or two more things.....

 

Most defendants are picked up on a simple traffic violation.  Check the lights in your vehicles once in a while.  Don't drive intoxicated.  Plain irresponsible.

Someone wrongs you....spread 50 packs of root vegetables in their yard.  Carrots, rutabagas, beets.  Impossible to get rid of without used motor out and concrete blocks.  Kudzu is my favorite :)  Do this at night.

Collect magazine subscription cards from hair salons, etc.  Get a stamp that you can change.  Send them subscriptions from John (A, B, C.....for example) Doe.  Inundate them with carts of mail.  They'll get collections notices until the end of time.  Plus boxes of magazines.  Sent them some Playboys......Wives get pissed,  Just dump the cards in a mailbox at a post office.

Some time ago, a guy filed 65 ordinance violation reports to several of my rentals, among other properties in the area.  I guess he was trying to sell his house?  You have the right to face you accuser.  They MUST tell you who made the complaints.  I own many properties in this area, and he pissed me off.

Yeah, get my goat and I'm a vindictive bastard :)  With a badass mean streak,

Hehehehehhe!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 09:08 | 1725442 chumbawamba
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The Alford Plea, now that's some interesting kung fu.  I'll have to look into that further.  But what you're talking about is still statute law in equity court.

The common law court of record works quite differently in that the plaintiff is the sovereign, the sovereign is the judge.  In fact, any sovereign in the court is the judge.  The guy with the robe that everyone normally calls "Your Honor" is simply the magistrate, better known as a referee.  The defendant is subject to the plaintiff (the sovereign).  Think of medieval times and the King's court, where among other things the king adjudicated various disputes amongst the peasantry and the noblemen.  He was the sovereign.  It was his court.  He made the descisions.  A plaintiff being the sovereign in a court of record has very similar authority.

So you're saying you anyone can represent anyone else?  I've been trying to get the definitive answer on this but everyone has a different story.  I thought it was possible by signing over one's power of attorney?

-Chumblez.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 21:12 | 1724486 Dan Watie
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:18 | 1723844 tamboo
Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:52 | 1723971 crazyjsmith
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Very Interesting, have heard about these Koch brothers - guess who was a keynote speaker at their annual convention?  None other than our very own Peter Schiff. 

Hmmmm.  Trust constantly has to be proven.   

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:57 | 1723984 Waffen
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the tea party in its original form was not fake.  It was probably the clossest thing to a real grass roots movement in close to 50 years.

 

The official tea party organizations however are very fake and the movement has been officially co-opted.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 18:01 | 1723992 whstlblwr
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It's still there too. My wife tells friends she is Tea Party Progressive, progressive on social issues. LOL.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:23 | 1724728 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Chumbawamba has been a long time fixture on ZeroHedge. Do not allow the silly stuff to mislead you. Chumba has desmonstrated over the long haul that he has the intelligence which you have dismissed without regard.

I am Chumbawaba..... BTFD

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:38 | 1723372 pods
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Thanks for the link Chumba. I have been following the Freemen of Manitoba.  The whole 14th amendment trust thing falls into place when you see it through these glasses.

Sure they can make laws that go against the constitution.  You have contracted away your freedoms that were enumerated in that and the DoI for benefits.

pods

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:31 | 1723619 Max Hunter
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I have seen and read a lot about this as well.. The problem is, you need a minimum of 5,000 hours preparing yourself and educating yourself.  Not that it shouldn't be aspired to, but wow.. the shit is deep.. Long live the FREEMAN on the LAND!!!

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:38 | 1723659 pods
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It really is overwhelming.  There are so many pitfalls to trying to live free.  The concept is brilliantly simple.  But trying to avoid the litany of land mines in the way is disheartening.  The simple fact is that you can be correct in law and still end up losing everything you have earned trying to fight your way out of corporate law.

I have spent hours upon hours looking to connect the dots.  From CAFRs, to Black's law definitions.  It is coming together, but slowly.  And you really have to avoid accidentally contracting with police or judges.  Seems the Canadians are further ahead on this front.   As many judges seem to know the rules.  In the USA, I would think the majority of judges simply would use force to keep you in jail, rather than follow the law. 

pods

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:48 | 1723708 Max Hunter
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Well said.. you are right, it would be very easy to slip up and end up in jail..  One Freeman I saw (or read) even admitted that you have to be prepared to lose everything and spend time in jail..

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:36 | 1723895 chumbawamba
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No, no, no.  You guys are making this sound way more complicated than it is.  That's why I came out and brazenly posted this link.  Trust me, it's the real fucking deal.  If I was unsure I would not be promoting it as such.

The "method" taught at that site works elegantly and simply, as all true remedies do, and it doesn't take "5,000 hours" to learn.  The basic audio lectures contained therein are 24 hours total, the reading material probably another 24 hours to infinity (depending on your reading and comprehension).  The "method" is nothing other than Common Law and the practice thereof; how to invoke in a court of record and what a "court of record" is in the first place.  It applies to all 50 states (republics) and, depending on local law, any republic.

If you are more the visual type, look for the 18 part "Bill Thornton Show Me the Law" videos on YouTube where Mr. Thornton explains the whole IRS racket.  Watching that video set will give you the basic understanding of the Common Law using a very practical example.  After watching that, if you get it, then start consuming the website.

Guys, trust me, this is it, and the proof is on the website.  Yes, you do have to fight, and yes, you do risk running up against ignorant officials of your state agencies who may throw you in jail, but that just sweetens the pot, because eventually you'll get your day in court with them and you'll be calling the shots (...the plaintiff in a court of record is the sovereign of the court...)  You have to be willing to get harangued, scuffed up, arrested, thrown in jail, etc.  However, the more people who get trained, the more support there is, the more knowledge is spread, the more people assert their sovereignty, the more educated the courts become, and the change will happen, organically.

Remember this: the cops and the court workers aren't part of the "scam".  They're regular folks like me and you.  They know what you know.  They came up in the same schools, watched the same television, shared the same American experience.  They are as ignorant as you are.  You must educate them while you are edcuating yourself.

If you really believe in the Constitution, if you really believe in this country, you will dedicate yourself to this material.  If you've given up, you should come back and take a second look.  If you've committed yourself to revolution (as I once was), ask yourself this: if you knew of a surefire way to avoid bloodshed and achieve total victory of your objectives (i.e. a return to a true republican form of government), a peaceful solution that, while fought equally as hard and visciously but with a pen rather than a gun, wouldn't you rather do it that way to avoid yourself and your family--perhaps your children--the trauma and horror of total war?

Think on it.  But not too long, time's a wasting.

http://1215.org

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:46 | 1723957 Grimbert
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Excellent - I shall read it. I live in a monarchy that is also a democracy and this 51% dictating to the 49% issue has always bothered me. The same way that in theory one 60 millionth of the population can dictate to me if she so chooses.

And to be told how proud we should be of our 'unwritten constitution' leads to 'unanswered questions'.

 

What/who is the Duke of Guian (Confirmatio Cartarum page)?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 18:11 | 1724014 X.inf.capt
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i will also,

now, blue pill or red pill...

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 19:20 | 1724159 chumbawamba
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Well, this material is not going to help you achieve sovereignty in your land because your monarch is the sovereign.  However, it will plant seeds in your mind.  What you need to do is spread the gospel of individual liberty.  If the mood is right, it'll catch on.  If not, wait a little bit and try again.

-Chumblez.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 21:53 | 1724560 pods
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Thanks Chumba.  Checking it out tonight!

pods

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:39 | 1724755 IQ 101
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"Remember this: the cops and the court workers aren't part of the "scam".  They're regular folks like me and you." 

That is hilarious! They live at the expense of their neighbors,

Aiding and abbeting massive fraud, while under oath to uphold the constitution and the rights of American people,

probably never having paid much attention to their oath,

10 minutes in college maybe,401K,retirement plan and benny package being of a far greater concern.

Frauds.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:40 | 1723661 pods
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dup

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:33 | 1723916 Haywood Jablowme
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Like you said Chumba, we just gotta last longer than them.....

Godspeed brother.

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 19:21 | 1724166 chumbawamba
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Exactly.  You just gotta stay one step ahead until you make it to the end.

-Chumblez.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:53 | 1723973 crazyjsmith
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Thanks Chumba,

Looks like I got some reading to do. 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 19:28 | 1724183 Milestones
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I have read and followed some of your posts. I too have my own legal issues that date back to 2005. I could easily walk my situation but I choose not to. I am now at the point of going after some disbarment proceedings against some prosecutors and judges.

Our country has fallen apart and all branches of government have been active participants; however none in my opinion has a more direct impact on the day to day activities of us grunts than the courts and their crushing affects on the population as a whole. This shit has got to stop!! Everyone can do their part very simply. Do the following:

1. ANY ticket or citation--Not Guilty

2. Jury trial--YES It costs the state about $8,000 to put on a jury trial. BLEED THE BASTARDS. They will catch on quickly!!

3. Attorney--NO Go PRO SE. Your library will have your state statutes.

4. Do not accept what a judge says. Ask for the statute by name and number. Judges CANNOT make law-they must fallow statutes. Gee I want to read  that for myself. Drag it out. It costs money! When reading the statutes there are usually annotations: read them -there may be case law to help you.

5. Remember, if you are in a small town/city the prosecutor and judge usually finished in the lower part of his law class-not the sharpest knives. Don't be buffaloed by them.

6. Appeal decisions that leave any open questions. My case has probably cost the state $50,000 and I,m not done with them! Guarantee you, you will get your nose opened about hot "things" get done

 

Back to the main point Chumba, I appriciate your post of the info. I will probably jump into it this evening. Looks interesting!!  Milestones

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 20:11 | 1724308 chumbawamba
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Hey Milestones, long time no see.

My comments:

1. ANY ticket or citation--Not Guilty

No, demand a court of record and file a counter-complaint to become a counter-plaintiff and thus the sovereign in court.  You can then dismiss the case for lack of prosecution (yes, it's more complex than this, but that's the basis).  Or in the very least you can then demand a jury trial, even on the silliest of infractions.  Furthermore, you could demand 12 of your peers be selected for the jury.  Try getting anyone in the jury pool to admit they are not a "US citizen".  None of them will.  Thus, you can dismiss them all as not being your "peers" because they are not of the peerage, i.e. the sovereign people.  "US citizens" are 14th Amendment citizens, i.e. subject to the Federal government.  Subjects are not sovereign, thus, no subject "US Citizens" could possibly be considered your peers (i.e. fellow sovereigns).  Apocryphally, someone used this tactic when charged for a criminal offense somewhere in southern California and got off.

2. Jury trial--YES It costs the state about $8,000 to put on a jury trial. BLEED THE BASTARDS. They will catch on quickly!!

Only if one is entitled by statute, and if you entered a plea at arraignment then you entered into equity court, where statutes apply.  And some of those statutes don't afford you a jury trial.  See above.

3. Attorney--NO Go PRO SE. Your library will have your state statutes.

Absolutely.  Excellent advice.  Pro Se is the only way.  Attorneys are actually officers of the court.  Their first loyalty is to the court.  They are part of the scam.  It all works on a good old boy system.  Pro Se's have much more rights and leeway in the court than one represented by an attorney.  Getting an attorney is quite possibly the worst thing you can do in a lot of instances.  Much better to defend yourself, but you must know how to do it.  It takes many hours of research and study, but anyone can do it that has the fire.

5. Remember, if you are in a small town/city the prosecutor and judge usually finished in the lower part of his law class-not the sharpest knives. Don't be buffaloed by them.

Not so fast.  Some of these small town judges are some of the sharpest around.  Don't discount them just because they chose the simple life.  And with all things, respect given is respect concerned.  But yeah, some of them are just nasty fucks.

6. Appeal decisions that leave any open questions. My case has probably cost the state $50,000 and I'm not done with them!

That's the way you do it.  Drain the system.  Bleed the beast.  This is the way!

Keep up the good fight!  And definitely check out 1215.org.  It'll give you chills.

-Chumblez.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 20:51 | 1724426 Milestones
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"Counter-Plaintiff and thus the sovereign in court". Huh? New trick to me but it sounds awesome in its particulars. I have run across the U.S. Citizen v the Sovereign thing before. I presume this is in this package you refer to as 1215.org. (I gather it has something to the little meeting in Hastings of the same date) Magna Carta. My minor was in ancient history so this is really getting interesting. When we stop learning we die.

Man, glad to see you posting again! You pissed off some people--Loved it!     Milestones

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 16:01 | 1727080 chumbawamba
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If you are operating in a court of record then any plaintiff in the court is a judge, because the plaintiff is the sovereign in a court of record, and the sovereign is the judge.  The key words are in a court of record, which operates under common law, i.e. not so in any other type of court, in which case the guy with the robe makes the decisions.  The plaintiff (the sovereign) in a court of record makes the decisions (i.e. is the tribunal).  As an aside, if the judge, not knowing his place, tries to issue an order, you simply issue an order cancelling his order and issue your own.

You never want to be a defendant in a court of record because then you are subject to the plaintiff (the sovereign).  You're at his every whim, because he's the judge.  Your protection is to have a jury decide the facts so that the judge (the plaintiff, i.e. the sovereign) can't run roughshod over you.  So if you get sued and summonsed to a court of record, you want to counter-sue to become a counter-plaintiff, making the plaintiff the counter-defendant, so now you would be a counter-plaintiff and thus a sovereign in the court.  You would be able to issue orders and make decisions, same as the plaintiff.

And yes, this all goes back to the Magna Carta.  Common Law is built upon foundation of law before.  This is why the Constitution is the Law of the Land in the US.  It establishes our Common Law system, which is why we have differences from Canadian common law, UK common law, etc.  The Constitution is built upon teh Declaration of Independence, that document rests upon the Mayflower Compact, which is anchored by the Magna Carta, etc., until eventually you get to the Bible.  This is the foundation of Western Law.

As far as pissing people off, all I can say is sometimes you have to break the bone so that it can heal properly.

-Chumblez.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 20:52 | 1724432 Milestones
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"Counter-Plaintiff and thus the sovereign in court". Huh? New trick to me but it sounds awesome in its particulars. I have run across the U.S. Citizen v the Sovereign thing before. I presume this is in this package you refer to as 1215.org. (I gather it has something to the little meeting in Hastings of the same date) Magna Carta. My minor was in ancient history so this is really getting interesting. When we stop learning we die.

Man, glad to see you posting again! You pissed off some people--Loved it!     Milestones

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:45 | 1723398 traderjoe
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Don't forget, under our system of private central banks and fractional reserve banking - the banks create their product (money) for free. See Modern Monetary Mechanics. The greatest business proposition in the world...

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:34 | 1723337 aerojet
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I don't perceive the Tea Party as being co-opted by the CIA.  Republican partisan hacks, maybe, but not the spooks.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:04 | 1723504 NotApplicable
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Like these two groups don't overlap!

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 01:04 | 1724876 saiybat
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That's not CIA turf. It's FBI turf. COINTELPRO is still alive and well. FOX News hijacked the tea party and put in war mongers but I don't know if there's any evidence of FBI involvement. 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 21:07 | 1724474 knowless
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the american populace is well armed, and many of those who served this great nation in it's wars of empire are tired of the boot on their neck, a new form of patriot will emerge, from the same, those that value their oath will not stand by and let their valiance be subverted by the few.

 

the USA may cease to exist, but republics with the values that it once embraced could emerge, if those who seek liberty are willing to stand down in the face of abject oppression and fraud, and instead fight for the values which they believed they stood for.

 

when you faced death, did he leave you to cower in the corner? or did you look him dead in the eyes?

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 00:56 | 1724865 saiybat
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MSNBC started covering it and they're trying to make it into a left vs right issue when it's not. Perpetuating the divide but people are starting to realize how farcical this left and right thing is. They want us to argue about trivial talking points but people are stepping outside the box.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:45 | 1723053 Comay Mierda
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the CIA wants the sheeple to get violent so they can crack down and bring the REAL police state

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:52 | 1723098 tarsubil
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Do you need to use force against a stack of cards? No, just stand back and watch.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:09 | 1723206 chumbawamba
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Americans, if you've ever listened to Chumbawamba before, hear (er, read) me now:

I searched a long time and studied a lot of crap before I found this.  I am telling you, this is the real deal.  In one fell swoop, this simple, unadorned website simultaneously teaches you how you were fooled and gives you the remedy for correcting what ills us in America.  Like anything good in life, it requires hard work and a lot of determined study, but if you've ever wanted to drive your car without needing a license or having to have it registered, if you've ever wanted to stop being forced to pay income taxes (state and federal), if you've ever wanted to start a business without having to get a license, basically if you've ever wanted to live your life truly in liberty without having to ask permission to do so, this is the website for you:

http://1215.org

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:16 | 1723244 tmosley
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Common Law is good.  You might want to examine Xeer as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeer

Thanks for the website.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:29 | 1723604 Hapte
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Great posts guys. The Horn of Africa is deep in culture and wisdom.

 

" It is expected that a prominent public figure such as a religious or political dignitary or a policeman or a judge should lead an exemplary life."

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:39 | 1723656 High Plains Drifter
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common law is good. comon law is supposed to be what our law is, but it isn't . we are under laws of agency now and common law does not apply. now, one can pretend he is free and go around and pretend he can do what he wants and he can act like the state and its apparatus does not exist , at least to you perhaps. but the facts of the matter are that it does exist and it will bother you if you get in its way. those are the cards that we are dealt. each of us has to decide where their personal line is in the sand and abide by that decision. each of us has to decide what battle we will fight and on what ground we will fight it. to me , patriot law , (which is what this sort of stuff is called) while being probably for the most part correct and true, nevertheless is problematic and for all intents and purposes impractical in today's legal climate. maybe some day but not now. many shall have to die before this kind of thinking becomes a reality. that is the hard and difficult information,  such a website leaves out. at one time, i too, went through my patriot law stage. i guess everyone does that is waking up. but i realized , after seeing a lot of people go to prison for this kind of stuff, that it is stupid to try any of this in any court of law. i don't like beecraft. but he is correct that unless it is statutory it is worthless and according to the rules , the way they play them, then it is of no good and a waste of time. i read this stuff from the guy that runs this website a long time ago and all they do is argue with each other about this and that , and as usual nothing of importance ever comes of it. as is usually the case unfortunately in the patriot movement (if there indeed is such  a thing) it is just another reaction to a problem and instead of cutting at the root, they cut at branches and try to deal with symptoms of the disease instead of the disease itself.....such is life in the gulag called amerika...

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 18:20 | 1724006 chumbawamba
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Common Law is not only good, it's the Law of the land.  If you understand how to access it, you suddenly become King.  Xeer is a fine system, but until we "devolve" back to local tribunals of elders, we'll have to deal with what we've got.  Our system actually isn't bad, it's fucking great, and in fact it's based ultimately on the principles of Xeer, but only if you understand how to utilize it!

In simple:

The heirarchy of our system of government is: PEOPLE ==> US GOVERNMENT ==> US CITIZENS

"US Citizen" is key.  Are you a "US Citizen"?  Or are you one of the People?  You see, US Citizens, as defined by the 14th Amendment, are a class of citizens created by the Federal government.  In a creator/created relationship, who is God?  Or rather, in this case, who is Sovereign?  The created can never be greater than the Creator.  In this case, US Citizens are subject to the US Government, who, relative to them, is the Sovereign.  So I ask you again, are you a US Citizen?

Remember, the Creator is always greater than the created.  Who created the US Government?  Why, the People, of course.  Therefore, guess what?  The US Government is subject to the People, who are the Sovereigns.  It is our servant.  We the People established and ordained it with the Constitution.

What is important to understand is that we did not then surrender our sovereignty to it (the US government or the Constitution).  We remain the Sovereign in this nation.  And it's not a "collective" sovereignty, it is individual: we are all Kings and Queens, without subjects, and our sovereignty ends where the sovereignty of another begins.  In other words, we must respect that we are all sovereign, all equal.  We may do what we want as long as it does not encroach on the rights of others.

The Constitution is a set of rules for the government to follow.  The first ten amendments--better known as the Bill of Rights--are those rights we have that shall never be violated.  We are not obligated to obey the Constitution.  The government is.  We are obliged to abide by the Law--natural law, e.g. do no harm to others and do not trespass on their property--and when we come afoul of the Law then the rules and guidelines in the Constitution are what shall be used to try us by it.

What is imperative here is to adjust your self-conception as a member of this republic.  You must first understand who you are, what you are, and where you are, and once you have that down you'll be ready to reclaim your status as a sovereign under common law.  And as I said, there is no magic to it, no special incantations, no forms to fill out with the government--because as a sovereign you do not need anyone's permission to be so, you just are.  No, to be one of the People, sovereign, you simply say you are.  Yes, it's as simple as that.  Of course, the complication comes in enforcing your assertion, but if you know your stuff and are prudent, and you have faith, you will prevail.

This will be hard for those few who choose to forge ahead and take the leap of faith, but theirs will be a special place, because they will have paved the way for those who follow.  The glory goes to the trailblazers.

http://1215.org

Take the leap.  Take the red pill.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:48 | 1723417 Ms. Erable
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Great link - many thanks!

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:29 | 1723893 Strike Back
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Chumba, 26 U.S.C. 1 et seq. is definitely law.  Common law is trumped by federal law when it conflicts due to the supremacy clause.  If we want change, it will be through the means discussed in the above article.  There is NO WAY we are going to catch them on a technicality. 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:40 | 1723939 pods
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Title 26 is all about the taxes.  Above that is whether you have to file to begin with.  

Common law is separate from Federal law.  There is no hierarchy.  

Within corporate (UCC) Federal does trump state.  

Outside of that (common law) federal and state laws are merely statutes for those who choose to live within them.

Full disclosure I am NOT doing this, as any misstep can land you right back inside the code and nailed to the wall.

pods

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 18:20 | 1724009 Strike Back
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The author of the site has a post (http://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/irc7806.htm) which states that 26 U.S.C. is not law, based on his reading of 26 U.S.C. 7806(b).  That subsection doesn't say anything, only that you can't make any legal arguments based on how different parts of the IRS code are grouped together, or titles and whatnot.  So I'm highly sckeptical about the rest of his website. 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 19:01 | 1724117 chumbawamba
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I've not yet reviewed that section.  I just took a look at it and it's more complex than what a casual read will lend understanding to, so I'll have to review it later.  What I can say is that you are not looking at this in the proper context if all you did was read it.  You have to also study the case law behind it (Nordby Supply Co. v. United States) to get the proper meaning.  All I can say is the guy(s) who put together that website are not newbz.  They know this shit.  They spent 30 years researching and then practicing it.

As far as your first assertion above--that USC 26 trumps common law--that is irrelevant.  What is relevant is if they can prove to your court that they have jurisdiction over you.  If they have jurisdiction then it matters, but if they can't even get you into their court then they may as well wipe their asses with it.

Please don't make assumptions based on one page off the site and then speak as if from some authority gained through neural osmosis.  You'll need to read through the material in total before making a judgment like that.  All you're doing presently is explaining that you don't want to take the time to learn, so you'd rather just poopoo the whole thing so you don't have to feel bad about it.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 10/02/2011 - 02:18 | 1730293 Strike Back
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Did you even read the case you cited?  Norby Supply Co. expanded the application of the tax code, it did not disqualify anything.  I remain highly skeptical.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 00:02 | 1724794 IQ 101
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Or, if you screw up once,the prosecuter,judge and police will giggle

as you are sent off to the hole for 90 day's, (for the most minor infractions, to keep the proles in line, your job, business and family in serious jeapordy).

Do not touch their pie!

Other means are necessary to impliment change,but I have no answers,

only questions.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:04 | 1723171 SMG
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I think you're right.  Mass nonviolent protests,  huge peaceful Washington marches, withholding all taxes, not paying debt, an effective anti slave political party.  Because if it does get violent, you know they will bring out the military like during the bonus army, kent state, and New Orleans.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:25 | 1723293 agent default
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They will disperse their agitators in the crowd to start the violence in order to justify the suppression.  Forget non violent, it is naive.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:13 | 1723537 NotApplicable
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They'll just have to remember to take off their uniforms first, lest they create more Baloney blow-back.

Of course, one of the things being taught at the camp is how to identify and oust these people before they start making trouble. The instant you see someone do something "over the top," fellow protestors immediately cordon him off from the group while letting everyone know what he is up to. In this situation, any valid protestor would voluntarily de-escalate and calm down, while a provacatuer would grow increasingly agitated, and/or run away.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:59 | 1723475 Larry Dallas
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@ SMG: While I agree somewhat with your thesis - it does sound practical, technically the population has been so dumbed down with the apathy that has been bred through social media worship of television stars and other distractions that folks aren't educated enough to really consider if they have a dog in this fight. In my own opinion, the government made a concerted effort to dumb down the population after Vietnam that you'll never see a meaningful rebellion like Kent State again. Folks cared then, the draft forced you to have skin in the game.

I know I'm singling out one part of your thesis, however, if this were 1974, there would be no Jay Leno "Jaywalking" segments. Everyone knew who was president, vice president, etc. Simple. Today, its who got kicked off Dancing With the Stars.

Tea Party could be considered a meaningful movment, but most of them are older who still have the fire and grit from when they were younger - perhaps themselves protesters; they always had something at stake. Today's Gen X's and subsequent generations are too caught up with themselves, too distracted to care and too ignorant.

 

 

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:55 | 1723689 GoinFawr
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"Today's Gen X's and subsequent generations are too caught up with themselves, too distracted to care and too ignorant."

Douglas Coupland called, he wanted to know what the hell 'Today's' Gen X's are, and how you know so much about their unborn children, or 'subsequent' generations.

Blythe Masters is an (original?) GenX'er by date of birth, but I have serious doubts that most of that era would look upon her as anything but a sellout of the most egregious order.

 IE if you meant that Gen X'ers are as apathetic and uninvolved as the generations that have followed them I'm calling bullshit. Naturally, stupidity can't be helped and every generation has their share of idiots,  but ignorance isn't necessarily a chronic condition.

I guess what I'm driving at here is that it just sounds to me like you personally  have given up:

"Courage my friend...."

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:36 | 1723930 The Deleuzian
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Listen here Larry Dallas:  The most intelligent and compassionate people I know by far are the early Xer's born in the mid 1960's (not even close!!).....Being an X'er from the early 1970's...I learned much from these people growing up...I know lots of Gen Yer's who (naively in my opinion) care a hell of a lot more about the environment, animal rights etc..then the 'boomers' ever did...

Sure people have been 'dumbed down' the past few years...I think you can directly attribute this to the 'Mediadrome' that saturates all of us today..This and the horrible public education system that frowns on critical thinking skills...

Sounds to me like you lack faith in people and your'e bitter about it...

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 21:30 | 1724519 knowless
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i'm in my mid twenties, and have participated in protests, there are alot of active people in my generation, those of whom left that haven't been dissapeared(search environmentalists, too many "committed suicide" in prison, others just gone) or destroyed by means of income discrimination based on political understandings (they tie arrest records to credit scores to hiring, been arrested for protests or minor offences? no job) aren't really able to do much, because the burden of trying to keep those that have been burned afloat destroys the potential for meaningful action through attrition.

 

what i'm saying is that there is a system in place to fuck over the conscientious. if you don't see it, then you aren't looking.

 

fuck your generational bias, it is myopic, and quite simply, stupid.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:01 | 1723778 DollarMenu
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SMG, and others -

Before anything, cut all ties to TBTF banks.

Get your $$$ to a credit union or community bank.

Stop eating at chain restaurants.

Stop flying commercial airlines.

Throw out your television.

     (That lying flat-screen 3D thing makes you impotent, don't you know.)

Just these few steps would reduce their control effectivity - at no cost to you except maybe a few minutes of time.

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:47 | 1723066 fyrebird
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Heh. Police state fear-mongering is soooooo 1952.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:55 | 1723115 faustian bargain
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Hm. Well, welcome to 1952 then. Also '1984'. Also 1789.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:33 | 1723627 Max Hunter
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Also 1789

I'm getting wood just thinking about it.. I hope to hell you're right..

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:47 | 1723416 Uncle Remus
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Still got your brown shirt, armband and jack-boots?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:54 | 1723113 CH1
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I'm confident that the CIA has plans for "managing" an American spring

I'm sure you are right, but you over-rate their competence.

They ain't that great.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:15 | 1723546 NotApplicable
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All they have to do is to break shit, and blame it on someone else. Other than getting caught in the act, it isn't that hard.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:00 | 1723146 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Get the hinges oiled up on them FEMA camp gates ! We will soon know if we truly live in "The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave".

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:19 | 1723559 Smithovsky
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CIA motto:  Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean we're not after you.  

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 18:46 | 1724096 eureka
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Fuck the CIA - and fuck the rich - Note to MK: the oligarchs are the rich - i.e. it is indeed poor against rich.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:34 | 1723845 lynnybee
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 we have allowed ruination, bankruptcy, criminality & greed loot this country & it's citizens .     TAKE IT BACK, PEOPLE, RECLAIM it for yourselves & your children by NOT playing the game anymore.   NOT using criminal banks, NOT using fiat, YES charity & helping & loving your neighbors, YES going back to guns, gold & the family support unit.        Tell the U.S. GOVERNMENT TO GO SHRINK ITSELF !

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:36 | 1723929 chunga
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Are Saigas ok?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:39 | 1722998 Long-John-Silver
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I prefer copper clad lead.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:45 | 1723051 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Long-John-Silver

Green

 

Rebeillons can be bloody, both in actual blood and treasure.  Rebeillons often get WAY out of hand, look at the French Revolution...  That revolution is not talked about much, but is was BLOODY!

If things are getting close to all that (TEOTWAWKI) then having gold & silver, guns & ammo and other preparations are important for your family's own safety.

.gov is not going to save you.  You have to look after yourself and your family.  Who else will?

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:54 | 1723112 X.inf.capt
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silver,

i prefer flour and dutch ovens, thank you,

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 18:15 | 1724027 X.inf.capt
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NNNOOOOOO!!!!

for baking bread....LMAO

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:55 | 1723457 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I don't like violence, Tom. I'm a businessman. Blood is a big expense.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:16 | 1723552 X.inf.capt
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.

me too, gave that up along time ago, violence....

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 16:27 | 1723607 CrockettAlmanac.com
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You know, Mike, we was all proud of you being a hero and all. Your father too.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 19:06 | 1724130 X.inf.capt
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yep, loved the godfather.

+1

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 19:28 | 1724182 pops
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I gave it up a long time ago, too.

But I still remember how to do that dance.

I practice every night when I go to sleep.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 20:37 | 1724393 X.inf.capt
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yeah, me too,pops, i remember...

had a1sg in 86 who was sog in 'nam..

nice guy, ruthless killer, but anice guy...

oh well, we did our jobs...

didnt like the job, so became abaker...

thank you for your service, pops...

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:46 | 1723057 JW n FL
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Copper is non-toxic and safe for hunting and then eating what you kill without getting lead poisoning.

give how far the government is / has pushed for civil un-rest you may need to fend for yourself and loved ones food wise for a little while.

 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:52 | 1723438 Uncle Remus
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Soooo, do banksters taste like chicken or...

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 21:16 | 1735397 krispkritter
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Pork...tasty, tasty pork. Bacon, it's what we bring home after bank protests...

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:12 | 1723218 New American Re...
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People are finally noticing that a revolution is occurring, but they don't know what to do with it.    And that can eventually lead to stupid people waving winchesters around, getting themselves and others shot.    Hopefully, we'll have a guide to it all coming in October.    I'm trying the fastest way I can.   Viva la' Revolution'

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:23 | 1723285 The4thStooge
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One massvive problem here. This has all been expected and planned for. Next comes the crash in Europe, followed by the crash here, followed by the next great war. Once that starts, anyone protesting is obviosly with "the enemy" and wants to destroy america. And THEN in come those FEMA camps waiting in the rear. Everything so far is going exactly according to the script. It's yet to be seen whether anything disrupts their plans. Maybe a dead Rothschild or two might acually scare them into playing their hand too soon...

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:59 | 1723474 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The King of England ruled by Divine Right and even that was not enough to stop the progress of Liberty.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:29 | 1723897 GoinFawr
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And yet here we are CA.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:35 | 1723923 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Freedom is a natural right, not a gift. It must be earned just like the food in your belly or the roof over your head.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 01:47 | 1724868 GoinFawr
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I wasn't arguing the principles CA,  just noting that in light of current circumstances it appears as if your 'unstoppable progression' has been bouncing off an immovable object for quite some time.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 23:03 | 1724693 Milestones
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Huh??  The FEMA, CIA,FBI and all the rest of these clowns and even throwing in 500,000 cops you got what 3M max??--to take over 320M very heavily armed people all just skipping off to one of these camps, happy as June bugs? And I sure hope ya got nuff sense to understand the  troops, if brought home, would not be in the bankers corner. My man, you better take another hit off what your smoking and look again   Milestones

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 20:03 | 1724283 James T. Kirk
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disregard

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:33 | 1722952 Deadpool
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Kreiger or Kruger (Freddie)? Panic!

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:03 | 1723169 Robot Traders Mom
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Of course you are on this article. You always come out whenever there is something about uprisings or governmental uncertainty.

Fuck you government troll.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 17:22 | 1723860 I did it by Occident
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Of course his name Krieger means Warrior (one who makes war)? 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 14:33 | 1722956 depression
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Duck & Cover

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