Mike Krieger Asks Whether September 11, 2001 Is Our Big Lie

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From Michael Krieger of KAM LP


“I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11th attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” former Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida, said in an affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought against the Saudi government and dozens of institutions in the country by families of Sept. 11 victims and others. Mr. Graham led a joint 2002 Congressional inquiry into the attacks.
Their affidavits, which were filed on Friday and have not previously been disclosed, are part of a multibillion-dollar lawsuit that has wound its way through federal courts since 2002. An appellate court, reversing an earlier decision, said in November that foreign nations were not immune to lawsuits under certain terrorism claims, clearing the way for parts of the Saudi case to be reheard in United States District Court in Manhattan.

Still, Washington has continued to stand behind Saudi Arabia publicly, with the Justice Department joining the kingdom in trying to have the lawsuits thrown out of court on the grounds that the Saudis are protected by international immunity.

The senators’ assertions “might inject some temporary strain or awkwardness at a diplomatic level,” said Kenneth L. Wainstein, a senior national security official in the George W. Bush administration. Even so, he said, “the United States and the Saudis have developed strong counterterrorism cooperation over the last decade, and that relationship will not be undermined.

- NY Times article from today

How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think.

- Adolf Hitler

September 11, 2001: Our Big Lie

I wasn’t planning on writing this week, but so much stuff has come out in the last two days that I couldn’t help myself from trying to get this information out to as wide an audience as possible.  Those of you that have been long time readers are aware of the fact that I witnessed 9/11 firsthand.  On that fateful morning, I was getting breakfast at 3 World Financial Center when all of a sudden people started panicking and saying we were evacuating the building.  I never made it back up to my cubicle and instead took my toast and orange juice downstairs with me.  When I got down there I couldn’t believe my eyes.  There in from of me was a huge smoldering black hole in the first tower that was hit.  I was one block away just starring at this symbol of the city I was born in with sheer terror.  People all around starting speculating as to what caused it.  I heard ridiculous theories such as a “helicopter hit it.”  It looked like a bomb to me.  In any event, we all stood there very close until out of nowhere I heard a massive explosion and saw debris spewing from behind the building.  In case you are unaware of how the buildings were situated, from my viewpoint the first building that got hit totally blocked the second tower.  I didn’t see or hear a plane, just a massive explosion.  The ground shook and people started to stampede away.  I almost got tossed into a nearby trashcan as my opened orange juice container spilled all over me.  I retreated about one hundred yards back to regroup with the herd. 

At this point the word had started to get around that two planes had hit the buildings.  Several friends and I decided to walk back to my apartment, which at the time was on 12th street between 3rd and 4th avenue.  Cell phones didn’t work.  My parents and brother who was studying abroad in Australia at the time all thought I might be dead.  I saw people jumping to their death.  I saw the first building come down in person as I walked home.  I never returned to 3 World Financial Center as it became a temporary morgue.  Lehman Brothers relocated to the Sheraton Hotels in Midtown for the next several months and my group worked out of a small conference room.

While 9/11 was far more traumatic for many Americans than for myself, it really messed me up emotionally for a while.  I thought about joining the armed forces or the newly created Department of Homeland Security.  I almost quit my job to get a graduate degree in something I could do to help fight the “war on terror.”  The city of my birth was attacked and two great symbols I had seen repeatedly growing up had suddenly vanished.  I never once questioned anything about 9/11 for many, many years.  I was emotionally reprogrammed.  I now realize that was the intent and I am not happy about it.

Look, I will be the first to say I have no idea what really happened on that day, but I can tell you one thing.  I am 100% convinced that it wasn’t 19 cave dwelling Al Qaeda members who hate us for our “freedoms.”  I can also tell you that two planes didn’t take down three buildings. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI.  Building 7.  Oh building 7.  Explain to me how this massive building came down demolition style when nothing hit it? 

The real reason I am writing this piece today is because of a very, very important article from the NY Times, parts of which I have quoted at the top.  The article shows how two former Senators have said in sworn statements that they believe the government of Saudi Arabia was directly involved in the attacks.  Now, such speculation is not new; however, let’s not forget the very close relationships that many of the elite in the U.S. have with the Saudi government.  Furthermore, let’s analyze some of the passages in the article in a little more detail.  

Still, Washington has continued to stand behind Saudi Arabia publicly, with the Justice Department joining the kingdom in trying to have the lawsuits thrown out of court on the grounds that the Saudis are protected by international immunity.

The senators’ assertions “might inject some temporary strain or awkwardness at a diplomatic level,” said Kenneth L. Wainstein, a senior national security official in the George W. Bush administration. Even so, he said, “the United States and the Saudis have developed strong counterterrorism cooperation over the last decade, and that relationship will not be undermined.”

Let’s start with the first line.  The “Saudis are protected by international immunity.”  WTF does that mean?  They are protected by international immunity?  Where was this international immunity for Iraq before we bombed them into the stone age?  Where was the international immunity for Libya before we decided regime change would be a good idea there?  Where is the international immunity for Iran now?  The hypocrisy and ridiculousness of the propaganda has now reached epic status.

Now to the second line.  “Even so, he said, “the United States and the Saudis have developed strong counterterrorism cooperation over the last decade, and that relationship will not be undermined.”  If this doesn’t tell you right then and there that the entire “war on terror” is a smokescreen sham then nothing will.  So let me get this straight.  According to this logic it may not matter that the Saudis were involved in 9/11 because they have been a great ally in counterterrorism.  So the guys that played a role in the attack are our allies in fighting themselves.  How convenient!  2+2 does indeed equal 5 in the USA.

Now here is a very telling clip to watch from that creep Joe Scarborough, who is probably a creation of Operation Mockingbird  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird.  Here is the clip.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv_DBMo5Dzc&feature=player_embedded

Did you catch that?  When confronted with the potential of Saudi involvement, this little weasel Steven Rattner (remember he was Obama’s car czar) comes out and states “I think it may fall a little bit into the category of things you just kind of don’t want to know.”  Excuse me Rattner?  Things WHO doesn’t want to know.  I sure as hell want to know and I am pretty sure everyone else in America and world wants to know since this event is what led to a massive crackdown on civil liberties and wars all across the world.  Not to mention the fact it has led to U.S. fiscal and economic ruin.  What he means is that this is something the government doesn’t want YOU to know.  Notice how right away he mentions how much oil the Saudis produce.  This clip really exposes the mindset of the criminals that make up the U.S. social, political and economic elite. 

Then Donnie Deutch says “I don’t know where you go with this,” to which Scarborough states “I don’t think you go anywhere with this.”  Go back to sleep America. 

Then there is the real kicker.  They end the segment debating whether they will be summering in the Hamptons, Martha’s Vineyard or Nantucket.  Laughing the whole time.  Laughing at their audience for being such stupid sheep.

Andrew Breitbart

I want to conclude this piece by stating I am quite curious what sorts of natural causes made a 43 year old collapse.  As my friend commented…”He's in decent shape and goes naturally yet Soros and Rockefeller look the like living dead yet they are walking and live to be 185yrs old.”

Oh and by the way.  He claimed to have videos that would expose banker puppet Obama.  Don’t believe me?  Take a watch.  He made this statement 20 days ago.  Then drops dead.  At least they didn’t use a hot tub this time.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fRQ2lIQ3Lg

RIP Andrew.  I didn’t always agree with you, but you were a fighter.

Rest up this weekend everyone.  I think things are about to get crazy.

Peace and wisdom,

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markmotive's picture

Conspiracy theory isn't just for crack pots anymore...


Perhaps one of the best academic lectures on 9/11


Harlequin001's picture

I for one am still curious as to how the US believes anyone saving more than $250 /month in an offshore savings plan might be a terrorist. Sounds like a lame excuse to me...

'“the United States and the Saudis have developed strong counterterrorism cooperation over the last decade, and that relationship will not be undermined.” ' - delete counterterrorism and insert offshore investing...

3,000 Americans died so that the US could open up offshore financial centers and tax americans and well, give it to the banks...

Sounds peachy.

Comay Mierda's picture

saudi's did 9/11? more disinfo. rogue elements of the USSA government in conjunction with the mossad carried out 9/11.

classic false flag. but the sheep will continue thinking that a few dudes who couldnt fly cessnas flew large boeing 757s at high rates of speed into precision targets, all the while fooling a $40 billion dollar NORAD air defense system, and this whole thing was planned by a dude living in a cave on the other side of the planet. Oh and the laws of thermodynamics failed that day and thick vertical steel columns with a melting point of 2700 degrees farhenheit melted in 1200 degree fire. (ignore the countless dust samples taken by scientists that found thermite enriched with silicon for more explosivity)

the official story of 9/11 is one crazy fucking conspiracy theory. but everybody believes it.

And an invisible plane hit the pentagon, have you ever seen video footage of a plane hitting the most defended building in the world that is surrounded by cameras? oh yea, and that shanksville PA plane crash was unique in that there was NO FUCKING PLANE there. and WTC7 just decided to fall in on itself that day too.

The average 'Merican is fucking retarded for believing this shit. now they will try to steer their hatred toward the saudi's for a future war

TruthInSunshine's picture

I am not an engineer or physicist, so some of the claims and counterclaims about what was and wasn't possible that day are admittedly over my comrehension, but not all the claims are.

One of the things I find oddest about the official story is more along the lines of something that doesn't mesh with my common sense (there is more than one thing, but this one thing is something I haven't found a rational answer to as of yet):

It's the passport of one of the alleged hijackers that was found relatively unscathed, on the streets around the towers, in the rubble.

How could it be that a document comprised of the materials that passports are comprised of not be severely damaged if not completely destroyed as a result of being inside of a commercial airliner, loaded with jet fuel fuel, that struck a massive steel and concrete building, literally causing the plane to spontaneously combust as it disintegrated upon impact?

Maybe someone can adequately explain how that passport not only survived in apparently decent condition, let alone legible condition, intact, but how it wasn't destroyed completely.

Comay Mierda's picture

funny how they found these passports perfectly intact, but havent been able to find the black boxes from the planes for the last eleven years.

makes perfect sense.

Pinto Currency's picture


See the now deceased demolition expert Danny Jowenko Comment on WTC 7:



See also:


Dr. Sabrosky was a Director of Studies and Adjunct Professor at the U.S. Army War College.

Iran's Press TV Interview with Dr. Sabrosky:


clymer's picture

ya know, I am surprised. I expected to see that pukey little weasel trav somewhere near the top of these comments. I mean shit, he follows Krieger around this site like a giddy school girl trying play grab ass with the popular boy in the classroom. puke.

Spirit Of Truth's picture

The Russians did it: 


And Hitler was right....people don't think. The Kremlin is counting on this.

"If you are serious about the global war, let us try and think strategically. The most important strategic target in that war is the Kremlin. That is not only the best way to start winning it, but, as far as I can see, the only way. Paraphrasing Alexander (Litvinenko), we can say it is impossible to destroy the international terrorism even in a century unless you disband the Russian secret services first." 

- Pavel Stroilov, a Russian exile in London and the editor and translator of Alexander Litvinenko’s book, AllegationsThe Putin-Osama Connection, FrontPage Magazine, 1/16/08

comrade pravda's picture

Wacky Conspiracy Theory:

Twenty or so Saudi youths outwitted the United States' military and forced the peace-loving American people to start multiple wars of occupation.

The Iraq and Afghanistan wars have been lost.  Let's not start another one with Iran because the American people will lose again even as we kill Iranian civilians.

Fuck the Coke and Pepsi parties which rule this country.  By the way if you don't know which party is Coke and which is Pepsi it doesn't fucking matter because they are the same fucking thing.


taxpayer102's picture


"Let us separate fact from fiction, rhetoric from reality and FINALLY challenge the official story of who committed this horrific crime. Compelling evidence will be revealed that 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB."

9/11 What Really Happened and Why?

Presented Saturday, February 25, 2012  http://noi.org/sd2012/911Truth/

Spirit Of Truth's picture

ZH is full of "useful idiots".  


The Kremlin thanks you for your unwitting support.

You all are "free thinkers" about as much as cattle headed to the slaughterhouse.


Disenchanted's picture


Well if it were the Russians I guess the payback(blowback?) for the US involvement in Afghanistan during the Soviet years was a real bitch.


The "unintended consequences" Ron Paul speaks of today?


I think there were multiple entities/interests involved and multiple agendas were served both domestically and globally by the events of 9/11/2001.


You might say many birds were killed with one stone that day. Or four stones(WTC 1, 2, 7 & the Pentagon).

Michael's picture

Al-Qaeda translated to English = The Base!
People are just plain stupid.

TruthInSunshine's picture
PNAC's 'New Pearl Harbor', Odigo, Urban Movers, Janitors, 'the base', Tim Osman & much more, oh my!

I really am not into conspiracy theories, generally speaking, but there's so much in the aggregrate that either makes no common sense, little common sense, or is directly contrary to common sense (events well before 9/11 through the days, months and even years after 9/11, from the Clinton era PNAC group writing the blueprints calling for the need for a 'New Pearl Harbor' to act as the catalyst to initiate regime change throughout the middle east - sans Israel - to the, yep, you guessed it,  'Arab Spring' of spontaneous regime changes that abruptly swept the middle east - sans Israel - toppling government after government).

I can't possibly know what is or isn't true, but am putting out some pretty interesting claims for those who may have not been aware of them prior:


First, the Odigo 'issue'. Mind you, I will cite Haaretz, which is a main stream Israeli newspaper, and NOT Alex Jones:



Odigo says workers were warned of attack - Haaretz Daily



 But this is a HEAVILY REVISED story. No one can find the original one - it just got clean wiped off the web, apparently.


***And why were so many articles and news reports about Urban Moving since scrubbed (here is a partial list based on Google's cache function)?:



And then, there is the bizarre claims about 'the base':




swani's picture

Or why, in response to the biggest crime in our country's history, and after the testimony of over a hundred eye witnesses who testified that they witnessed explosions coming from beneath the buildings or elevator shafts, the September 11th Commission did not test for explosives.  

LowProfile's picture

It was probabaly on the dashboard of the plane.

Here's a good one to pass along http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread642371/pg1

john39's picture

building 7 is all you need to know.  there is no explanation for building 7 that can't be disproven as utter horsehit in five seconds.   once you know that, who cares about the rest, the government is lying about all of it.

kridkrid's picture

That's been my position all along. Once you recognize that the story on Building 7 is a complete and utter lie, no other part of the story can be believed. You know the scene in the Sixth Sense... The montage of all of the moments throughout the movie that could have told you that Bruce Willis was a ghost... Building 7 is like that. Once you recognize things for what they are, things in hindsight make more sense.

MachoMan's picture

JFC man...  you had the perfect setup for TYLER DURDEN and screwed it all up...  you know, all those moments throughout fight club that could have told you tyler was a figment of cornelius' imagination?

kridkrid's picture

I'm such a fuck-up. But as a credit to Fight Club, that's far from the first thing I think or talk about when talking about Fight Club. Sixth Sense is a one trick pony. But yes, I suck.

vato poco's picture

Hell, if it's 9-11 mysteries day, riddle me this: How come nobody, especially the USG, ever talks about that fact that 4 planes were taken midflight and not 1 hijack call was made? Even if "the 19" were Supermen and not the fuckups they were, it would have taken them at least a few seconds to enter, commandeer, and secure a flight deck, no?

THe following info came to me via a long-time airline pilot: So why didn't anyone on any of those flight decks get a hijack call off? Multiple ways to do it, but the 2 fastest and easiest are 1) say"squawk 7500" into your radio 2) **push the button** that every member of the flight crew had. You could do both simultaneously, and it might - might - take you maybe a whole second. But nobody on 9-11 did. Por Que No?

Ima anal sphincter's picture

7500 is the ATC transponder four digit code for hijacking. There are two transponders installed in the radio rack with one control head in the cockpit. A "squawk" into the comm would be stated in plain English that a hijack was in progress.

It wouldn't of mattered anyway. You are on your own in that situation. A skilled pilot would use the aircraft as a weapon if he could. Climbs, dives, hard banks. If you're not strapped in you're a ping-pong ball. Unfortunately, none of that matters. The pilots were taken out early.  The PA plane crash never was and neither was the Pentagon.  The true events concerning those two will most likely never be known. I will say the "Let's Roll" thing was a total lie. Cell phone communication technology via aircraft was not available in 2001. My gut feeling was that those two planes landed somewhere and the people on board were "taken off", never to be seen again.

The tower aircraft were remote controlled. Skilled 767 pilots would be hard pressed to hit those buildings dead on. Don't think it can be done????? Most modern aircraft fly themselves and land themselves. The pilots program the flight management system and pretty much everything is "auto" from there. Airbus 320,330,340 don't even have control yokes. They have joysticks similar to video games. The 777 has a yoke, but it only feeds force sensors under the floor. Computers "fly" the aircraft. Those plaanes were guided into or programmed into the towers.

Both towers and building 7 were per-wired with explosives. Absolutely no doubt about it.

Your government murders foreigners for nothing but lies. Your government murders Americans for the bankers.

I've screamed it out. Nobody listens. Nobody does anything about it. What is it going to take people??

Hooter Shaker's picture

The hijacker flung it out the window right before he nailed the tower, duh!

Harlequin001's picture

Obviously you have no idwea how easy it is to fly a 757, and especially if you don't need to take off or land.

False flag? Do us all a favour and shut the fuck up.

Comay Mierda's picture

go sit back on your couch in your underwear with your natty lite and watch american idol like a good sheeperson


Harlequin001's picture

What makes you think I watch American Idol?

Evidently some of us are more intelligent than yiou give us credit for, which is probably why you keep spouting this shit.

Comay Mierda's picture

well i guess i was right about the sitting on your couch in your underwear drinking natty lite.  maybe you're too busy watching o'reilly instead of 'merican idol

i-dog's picture

Thank you for outing yourself as either a shill or a brain-dead moron. I'll bear it in mind for your future posts. These "touchstone" topics are invaluable!

Biosci's picture

aren't you the chemtrails guy?

this is _wildly_ successful clickbait!   huge read count!

i-dog's picture

LOL ... Shouldn't you be tidying your room, or finishing your homework?

And please do tell us what you learned in school today about chemtrails. It sounds like a big word for a little fella....

Harlequin001's picture

"outing yourself as either a shill or a brain-dead moron" Please, do us all a favour and elaborate...

You never know, maybe you even have an opinion.

Though I doubt it...

comrade pravda's picture

Who are these f'ing morons who dream of being video game controllers (sitting in Las Vegas) flying drones and killing babies in Afghanistan, but who lack the tiny bit of intellectual capacity to understand that the planes on 9/11 were flown into the towers by remote control or via pre-programmed flight plans?

Harlequin001's picture

What, not by UFO's and fucking aliens then? If you're going to dream up ridiculous fucking stories then at least try and make it interesting...

so were they 'remote control or via pre-programmed flight plans'. or perhaps they were both, just for good measure?

comrade pravda's picture

My how you attempt to derail the issue in a manner that might appeal to a reader who has no knowledge of the topic.

I find it more than sufficiently "interesting" that war criminals associated with groups such as PNAC (Project for a New American Century) would stage a false flag attack against the USA just as Hitler would burn the Reichstag.

History will show who the war criminals are, and they include the likes of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Myers

cranky-old-geezer's picture



You debunkers are all alike.  You never give any facts to support your arguments. 

Ad-hominem attack is your only methodology, because you have no factual methodology.  It's imposable to come up with facts to support a myth.

nmewn's picture

A 911 thread is always a great place to get into a fight.

"You debunkers are all alike.  You never give any facts to support your arguments."

I read the article. I read the commentary up to here...no, I didn't click on any links.

I don't see any facts.

I see former senators Kerry & Graham who led the 2002 Congressional inquiry to discover the facts...now, "asserting" the Saudis had something to do with it or should have known of it or should have warned of it and make note of the civil lawsuit seeking monetary damages.

I'm all about evidence and fact just like you.

If they did...hang them from the yard arm...if we can lay hands on them, which is another matter completely. At least we got past the hocum of jooo voice to skull software technology mimicking passengers/crew and remote controlled aircraft or Mossad suicide pilots.

Riveting reading that was...lol.

The five Saudi Princes under suspicion should be named in the interests of freedom of the press we (or at least I) still hold dear...they are:

*Prince Turki Al-Faisal Al-Saud, "past head of Saudi intelligence, coordinated Saudi financial and logistical support for al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and the Taliban.

In July 1998, Prince Turki brokered an agreement between these parties in which the Saudis provided al Qaeda the Taliban with generous financial assistance in exchange for a pledge by bin Laden and the Taliban that al Qaeda would not attack the Saudi royal family."

*Prince Salman Bin-Abdulaziz Al-Saud "has a long history of funding Islamic extremists through his work as chairman of the General Donation Committee for Afghanistan. In this capacity, Prince Salman made substantial personal contributions to al Qaeda front charities with the full knowledge the charities were misappropriating funds and involved in terrorist activities."

*Prince Naif Bin-Abdulaziz Al-Saud, "who has long supported Palestinian suicide bombers, provided pay-off money to al Qaeda. His oversight of al Qaeda charity al Haramain allowed it to support bin Laden and al Qaeda unabated."

*Prince Mohamed Al-Faisal Al-Saud "headed the Islamic bank Dar al Maal al Islami, which provided global financial services and financing to al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden."

*Prince Sultan Bin-Abdulaziz Al-Saud, "whose responsibilities included overseeing Islamic charitable funding in Saudi Arabia, funded al Qaeda through personal contributions to Islamic charities known to support bin Laden and his terrorist organization.

Being from Fla I know Bob Graham. I've often disagreed with him...but...I take him as a generally good man (if somewhat gullible in my estimation) with his heart in the right place if not his head.

What the nutcases will have to come to terms with is, is he just another jooo lackey, who is in on the frame up of innocent, benign, peaceful members of the Saudi royal family.

It's a family affair ;-)


Totentänzerlied's picture

So those veteran commercial airline pilots who reproduced the flight paths in a commercial flight simulator and, after many many trials, could not hit an aircraft carrier sized-target ... they're all liars? The finest pilots in the world couldn't pull it off because those aircraft  under human piloting can't pull it off, if it is even physically possible at all - which remains doubtful.

Harlequin001's picture

so explain how they manage to hit a runway.

Finest pilots in the world? Do me a favour...

zenbones's picture

It's called slowing down the plane so you're not going 580 mph.  Do you drive 70 mph when you pull into your driveway?

Harlequin001's picture

Personally I tend to slide it in sideways but that's beside the point. So are you saying that they should, if they are actually commercial pilots, be able to hit an aircraft carrier sized thing even if they don't intend to land on it?

Perhaps we agree on something...

delbutler's picture

Why is then also then that in the case of the Pentagon hit, which occured at ground level where the start of the 16ft (fit a plane in it?) hole was, 30 year veteran piolts have said on record it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to fly a plane at the speed they were doing (450 mph) so close to the ground, not to mention that the video which was released by the governemnt themselves from the heliport camera showing 5 frames of footage showed no plane at all ???

Oh yeah, that's right, becasuse according to the 9/11 Commission report, the plane hit in between the frame shots. Do me a favor and have a day off from lying......