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Mike Krieger On The "Useful Idiots"

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From Mike Krieger

Useful Idiots

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
- Mahatma Gandhi

There isn’t a cohesive message coming from the protestors other than the system is rigged in favor of the top .01%. Those who think they are in control are losing their grip. They see their power and wealth slipping away. They’ve had their way for decades and will not willingly submit to a change in the existing social order. Last night Jim Cramer voiced the concerns of the .01% by saying the Occupy Wall Street protests were worrisome. They are worrisome to the moneyed interests. They are a reason for hope to the 99.9%. We are approaching our moment of truth. There is something terribly wrong with this country. A new American Revolution has begun. It is time to stop being afraid and take this country back. What happens next? The choice is ours. 
- Jim Quinn (Read this

But the banking elites that led these frauds have been able to do so with impunity from prosecution.  Take on federal agency, the Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS).  During the S&L debacle, the OTS made well over 10,000 criminal referrals and made the removal of control frauds from the industry and their prosecution its top two priorities.  The agency's support and the provision of 1000 FBI agents to investigate the cases led to the felony conviction of over 1,000 S&L frauds.  The bulk of those convictions came from the "Top 100" list that OTS and the FBI created to prioritize the investigation of the worst failed S&Ls.  In the ongoing crisis -- which caused losses 40 times larger than the S&L debacle, the OTS made zero criminal referrals, the FBI (as recently as FY 2007) assigned only 120 agents nationally to respond to the well over one million cases of mortgage fraud that occurred annually, and the OTS' non-effort produced no convictions of any S&L control frauds.  OTS' sister agencies, the Fed and the OCC, have the same record of not even attempting to identify and prosecute the frauds.  The FDIC was better, but still only a shadow of what it was in fighting fraud in the early 1990s.  If control frauds can operate with impunity from criminal prosecutions, then the perverse Gresham's dynamic is maximized and market forces will increasingly drive honest banks and firms from the marketplace.
- Bill Black

The Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street are Two Sides of the Same Coin

I am extremely disappointed by the way most people are belittling the Occupy Wall Street protests, which I firmly believe is an extraordinarily important moment in American history that will be seen as the moment when rebellion arrived on the streets of America.  Despite my frustrations regarding how pretty much every commentator out there is trying to spin it negatively, this simple fact convinces me without a shadow of a doubt that this is the real deal and we are merely in the second stage of transformative change that Gandhi describes in the quote at the top.  We are in the ridicule phase.  That is good since like anything else, a transformative rebellion manifests as part of a cyclical process just like anything else.

One thing that I think people are really missing is how similar Occupy Wall Street is to the early stages of Tea Party protests.  Do you remember how the fake liberals dismissed that as a bunch of uneducated, racists wearing George Washington costumes?  Many claimed it was “astro turf” and would die out.  I recall the very day that I saw Rick Santellii on CNBC call for a new “tea party” in America.  The moment that event got posted on youtube I sent it out to the entire trading floor at Bernstein saying it was the beginning of something big.  People looked at me as if I was insane (as usual) and said that it was an irrelevant comment and nothing meaningful could come out of it.  Fast forward a few years, here we are and not only did the Tea Party not peter out but it has become one of the most vibrant and influential political movements in America today.  Those that dismissed the Tea Party most forcefully in the early days were from what I would call the “fake liberal” camp and the mainstream media (MSM).  This is unsurprising because they simply did not understand it (the MSM aren’t paid to understand anything their job to help maintain the status quo and minimize and trivialize revolt).  What the Tea Party represented was a rebellion within the Republican Party which had long ago sold itself out to the 0.1% financial elite class, the military industrial complex and large multi-national corporations that pay no taxes.        

So now the Occupy Wall Street protests have begun and the EXACT same thing is happening.  Yet this time most of the ridicule and contempt is spewing from what I would call “fake conservatives.”  The MSM of course is playing their traditional role as is to be expected.  Fortunately for me, I hold no attachment to any fake political party in America and I never have.  I stand for a free and fair market system for the economy, for a fierce defense of Constitutional rights in all circumstances NO MATTER WHAT threat we supposedly face, and a cessation of the brutal violence and war we perpetrate abroad.  As a result of this non-partisan stance I have an excellent group of friends and contacts across the entire ideological spectrum.  From this standpoint, I think I can see things for what they really are and what I am here to say is that Occupy Wall Street represents in part a rebellion within the Democratic Party (ie, the other side of the tea party coin).  This is why most of the attacks are coming from the “right” side of the fake political divide.  Just like the fake liberals couldn’t understand the tea party, the fake right can’t understand Occupy Wall Street.  This is alright.  It is all part of the process.  Next they will fight us.  Just like Gandhi said. 

Useful Idiots

Most of the time you hear the term “useful idiots” it is used in a totally pejorative sense.  I think this is wrong.  A “useful idiot” is actually not really an idiot, rather it is someone who is ignorant and therefore can be manipulated by those that are not ignorant to do as they desire.  I mean who reading this was not a “useful idiot” at some point?  I know I was.  For most of my career on Wall Street that is exactly what I was.  I worked in finance but had no idea how the system actually worked.  As a result of my ignorance I was very susceptible to much of the propaganda that was blasted in my ear overtly and subliminally for much of my life.  While I have always been cynical and never fell for the garbage either political party spewed, I was ignorant about how the world works and as such I could have been a danger to myself and others.  Fortunately, I finally did dig further into the matrix, took the red pill and started writing about what I learned.  Eventually I decided to leave Wall Street and pursue a different path.

Ok, so is there a point to all this rambling?  Of course. The point is that just because there are a lot of “useful idiots” at the Occupy Wall Street protests (just as there were at the Tea Party Protests) that doesn’t mean we should dismiss what is happening or belittle their frustrations.  They are merely ships without anchors floating around aimlessly in a sea of ignorance.  Rather that mock them right into the hands of bad guys that want to recreate feudalism like Michael Moore, George Soros and Warren Buffett we should educate them. 

Michael Moore and Other Carpetbaggers    

Let me be clear about one thing.  There are plenty of disconcerting things that have emerged in the Occupy Wall Street Protests.  The main threat is the clear attempt of disingenuous elites to co-opt the movement and steer the “useful idiots” right into the concentration camps.  You think George Soros is an idiot?  You don’t think he knows exactly what he is doing when he voices his support?  He is trying to co-opt it and own it.  He didn’t start anything.  He is a carpetbagger of the highest order. 

One of the more disturbing things I have seen is this video of Michael Moore at the protests.  After watching it I was so disturbed I sent the following out to my smaller email list:

It’s great to watch all these guys that never understood the real issues and clearly still don’t attempt to co-opt the message of the Occupy Wall Street Protests for their own agendas.  For those of us that have been fighting this in the trenches for years, this is the greatest risk to the movement.  That some radical self-serving interests take the message over.  I don’t think it will succeed but that is what has happened in history and we must be vigilant.  Watch this quick video of this dangerous man, Michael Moore.  When asked about ending the Federal Reserve there is a really awkward moment and then he blurts out “END CAPITALISM.”  End Capitalism Michael?  Where is there capitalism.  How about end crony capitalism? 

My conclusion on this spectacle is the following.  Either 1) He STILL hasn’t bothered to understand how things work and is just looking to be some sort of revolution rock star to stroke his own ego and childish solutions or 2) He is a crony capitalist himself and after having made millions via “capitalism” has decided like Warren Buffett, Soros and all the others he is content to shut down the opportunity to make money for others.  End capitalism?  Hmmmm, yep and go the planned neo-feudalism in which he is well positioned.

Whether it is 1 or 2 doesn’t matter.  It is one of them and that makes him someone not to be trusted and with zero credibility in the movement and one that cannot offer real solutions.  WATCH this video.  This man is dangerous and must be exposed and discredited. 

The key point I am trying to make here is whenever someone worth tens of millions of dollars pushes a agenda based on “end capitalism” turn and run the other way.  Run as far and as fast as you can.  Remember what feudalism really is.  Is was a system designed by the last guys to rape and pillage who then decided to shut down the random raping and pillaging once they had secured their castles.  Michael Moore, George Soros, Warren Buffett and all the others have their castles and they don’t give a crap about you. Furthermore, did you see what Tiny Timmy Geithner just said?  From Bloomberg: *GEITHNER: `YOU SHOULD BE DEMANDING BETTER RESULTS' FROM GOV'T.  Don’t make me laugh.  Here is the biggest insider crook on earth trying to tell us what we should want.  Truly a disgusting character.    

So…next time you see someone marching with an “end capitalism sign” stop that person and educate them.  Explain to them why there is no capitalism, only crony capitalism and explain the financial system to them.  That way we can drop the idiot part of the term and they can just become useful. 

Some Good Signs

The moment I knew the Occupy Wall Street protests were the real deal was when I saw the large group around Union Square (two blocks from where I used to live) with many, many “End the Fed” signs.  I don’t know much but I know Manhattan and I have never seen signs like that on the street there.  So in conclusion please watch this video from a OWS protestor.  People get it.  This is real.  Nice work kid.  Enjoy.

Peace and Wisdom,


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Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:08 | 1746613 Hamsterfist
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Now que the "It's a bunch of commies" comments.


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:11 | 1746633 nope-1004
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Jeethner is a professional asshole, and a sociopath.


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:34 | 1746755 trav7777
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sure...but the point about Mike Moore stands.

The Tea Party BOOED OFF THE STAGE the career repugnicons who didn't represent them.  And they voted them out.  That's the difference between the iPod protestors and TP

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:40 | 1746788 bigdumbnugly
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and the tea partiers knew they would not be seen as "cool" while making their stand by the msm, either.  how many protestors in NY now are rthere because its the cool place to be but don't have a clue?

back to krieger's point, though.   educate them?   ok, but 18 + years of liberal brainwashing from academia and the media can't be undone in a NY weekend.   though on the bright side it's probably a great place to get laid right about now...

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:43 | 1746795 Alea Iactaest
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Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:44 | 1746804 wanklord
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What’s all the uproar?
It seems that most of Americans never bothered themselves to learn living within their means, save some money, plan for the future, get a decent education and avoid credit at all.

The blame must be placed specifically on the so-called Baby Boomers, a failed generation who really enjoyed the prosperity of the 50s and 60s; instead, they focused all of their deprived intellect in experimenting with all types of drugs and having very promiscuous sexual lives. These people have done nothing for this country and now they are so scared of potentially not being able to collect their government entitlements (paradoxically, they are the majority).

Therefore, America as a broken society is now paying the consequences of its own greed, lack of common sense and stupidity.

Someone said that Americans are just a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. The sooner the US economy collapses the better, so the ignorant populace will finally learn NOT to live beyond their means – and stop blaming the government, since they don’t give a crap about people’s grievances.

Finally, educate yourselves about National Security Presidential Directive/NSPD 51, because Martial Law will be implemented in the United States due to the ongoing social unrest – and most Americans do not have a single clue of what this means.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:03 | 1746919 ElvisDog
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because Martial Law will be implemented in the United States due to the ongoing social unrest

Hah, that's a good one. If you really want the fun to begin, see what happens when Obama tries to declare martial law.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:34 | 1747033 akak
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I think he actually meant to say Marsha Law ---

(cue a petulent Obama, stomping his foot in dismay at TV coverage of NYC protesters): "Wall Street, Wall Street, Wall Street!  Why is it always about Wall Street, and not ME?"

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:04 | 1747156 MillionDollarBonus_
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Michael Moore is right. Capitalism is dead - politicians have learned that the market is incapable of regulating itself and that free markets simply don't work. The government had to bail out the banks because of their inability to manage risk properly, so the only solution is to impose tighter regulations and price controls to give POWER BACK TO THE PEOPLE. The PROGRESSIVE REVOLUTION is here and right-wing libertarians better get with it or get out of the way.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:06 | 1747163 akak
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And we had to destroy the village in order to save it.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:27 | 1747285 LFMayor
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We must destroy the village to kill the ijits.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 17:06 | 1747477 redpill
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The pipe dream by some that somehow there is this confluence of anti-establishment fury that will cause the Tea Partiers and the OWS to come together in some great mutual uprising is never going to materialize.  The two groups may both be angry at the status quo but that's where the similarities end.  I see it ending in a civil war before I see it ending in unity.  But most likely we're in for (at least) a generation of ugly internal political struggle as these polar opposite forces tear the fabric of government and society apart while our economy languishes, our infrastructure crumbles, and our people become bitter and economically defensive.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 18:00 | 1747684 rocker
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@redpill  IMO   I think you are 100% correct. 

 TPTB want it this way and feed it every day so they can maintain their elite monarchy.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:54 | 1748127 Cynical Sidney
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most excellent read thank you mr. krieger. just as you suggested, message from fringe right and fringe left are two sides of the same coin. when michael moore said 'end capitalism' he's really saying to end crony capitalism, end kleptocracy and corporatocracy.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 00:58 | 1748695 riley martini
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Capitalism ended with the Paulson panic the bailouts the TBTF goverment backed corporations . The government controled stock exchange ie ; equity and real estate prices . Atleast desperate attempt to drive up the price of the fore mentioned .

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 04:06 | 1748862 bIlluminati
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Capitalism's been hurting a long, lonely, lonely, lonely, long time. Prefer Gilligan's Island of communitarianism. Could use some coconut cream pie and Professor radio to cheer me up and tell me about the typhoon. There's a Wall Street wind blowing this way.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 18:36 | 1747791 Max Hunter
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OK.. where's Cocketteta to tell us it's a commie conspiracy to elect Obama???

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:21 | 1748054's picture

I never said that but you can keep on pretending that I did if it makes you feel better.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:25 | 1747269 xtop23
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lol. Yeah we need price controls. Empty shelves at the store anyone? 2 hour long lines at the gas stations anyone? 

A return to sound money, decrease in regulation, actual enforcement of the good regulation that we do have, reduction in the military budget by fully 2/3rds, strict adherence to the Constitution and Bill of Rights, term limits, and the end of the drug war.

Never happen until there is a real revolution though. Too many people are busy watching Idol.

As far as Michael Moore is concerned, his screaming out, "End capitalism!" was ridiculous. We dont currently have capitalism how could we end it?

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:14 | 1748039 Louie the Dog
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As far as Michael Moore is concerned, his screaming out, "End capitalism!" was ridiculous. We dont currently have capitalism how could we end it?


Whatever we have made Fat Bastard a ton of money.  Now he wants to end it?  I don't think so.  What he wants to do is exploit it.  Maybe make a docudrama on the miracle of Sudanese health care.




Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:30 | 1747303 Dick Fitz
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As soon as I think Million$BogusBonehead had said the stupidest thing he can possibly say, he comes along and proves me wrong.

How can a free-market that has been co-opted by the crony capitalists and socialists self-regulate? Until the powers that control money are driven out on a stick, the market will falter. Once freedom and the rule of law is restored, the free-market will ascend again and self-regulate us into prosperity.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:22 | 1748057's picture

He's pulling your leg.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 16:17 | 2009444 haibop
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can't be too serious. Power4Home

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 17:53 | 1747656 bid the soldier...
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You got it wrong again, dude. 


Here's the quote "Scarlett:   If either of you boys says "Wall Street" just once again, I'll go in the house and slam the door. ... I'm going to have a good time today, and do my eating at the barbeque. ..."


Wed, 02/15/2012 - 23:52 | 2164766 haibop
Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:35 | 1747048 Abitdodgie
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Hah, that's a good one. If you really want the fun to begin, see what happens when Obama tries to declare martial law.

Nothing will happen when Obama declares martial law , why because Americans could not get laid in a whore house that is if they had the brain power to even figure it out , the only thing that will get them to do somthing is the dollar colapse and no more cheezy poofs. I am sorry to say that but the people that come on this site are in a tiny minority. If you dont belive me open an account with Facebook and look at what everyone thinks is inportant.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:42 | 1747079 kaiserhoff
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Tell mommie you went poopie in your diaper again, and quit stinking the place up.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:39 | 1747064 kaiserhoff
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Well said Elvis.  Let the games begin.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 19:50 | 1747992 o2sd
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see what happens when Obama tries to declare martial law. 

Read some history. Martial Law doesn't get declared one Tuesday morning. It happens piece by piece, a little at a time, for 'security' and 'stability' and then 'crisis' and 'emergencies'. Just temporarily mind you. There is no need to enslave people from above, you can simply get them to enslave themselves with a prison of their fears. They will demand more police in the streets, they will demand more laws, more prisons, more courts,more security, anything to alleviate the terror they feel.

Before you know it people are dressed in khaki and goosestepping down main street. Hurah.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 23:42 | 1748544 Bicycle Repairman
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Obama will not declare martial law, some general (Petraeus?) will.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:52 | 1747114 lynnybee
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       " It seems that most of Americans never bothered themselves to learn living within their means, save some money, plan for the future, get a decent education and avoid credit at all. "         O.K., here is my favorite kind of comment.     Things used to be like that, they really did,  I remember a time when we did live within our means & saved our money..... of course, that's when savers were paid 6% interest on their savings deposits! ; unfortunately, nowadays, with the abundance of cheap credit, the lack of jobs that pay anything over $9/hr (that is if you can even find that), & education now being one of those "how can we make money off that" fields .............. GOOD LUCK !  living within your means, hell, you can't even afford a crap apartment, food on the table & a shit car with gasoline in this environment !

I like to remind everyone what DR. MARC FABER so famously said,  " When the people are offered cheap money, they are going to take it ! "     in other words, the current day environment was all deliberately orchestrated to get more & more people into debt with cheap money to enrich those in big business, enrich those in the financial sector & Wall St. while empoverishing the masses.       

Plz don't ever talk to me again about 'living within your means', not in this environment.      The one thing ZEROHEDGE taught me was that the credit ponzi needs to be expanded year after year in order not to collapse & U.S. Government & the Federal Reserve Bank have succeeded at draining any wealth that used to be our into their own pockets, it's called DEBT SERF. ........... fucking government; never again will i have anything to do with big banks & the u.s. government; in fact it's all about protecting yourself from thievery by these people ............ BUY SILVER & GOLD & XTRA FOOD & EXTRICATE YOURSELF FROM THIS SYTEM & GO PROTEST IN FRONT OF ANY FEDERAL RESERVE BUILDING YOU CAN .

Sincerely ...................

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 18:37 | 1747796 RockyRacoon
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That's my gal!

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 19:33 | 1747937 baby_BLYTHE
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I agree. LB's best post ever! Love the quote by Faber, so true. Female ZHers unite! lol

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 21:34 | 1748209 LetThemEatRand
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When the twin towers fell, our President at the time told us all to go shopping.   You have eloquently explained why.  You've also explained why the MSM is attempting to dismiss the current protests as "class warfare."   You've gotta hand it to these guys for setting up a system from which they become wealthy from overconsumption and debt spending, while they prance around on the MSM and complain about all of the overconsumption and debt spending.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:18 | 1747238 CaptA
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Just going to keep cutting and pasting this stuff? I've already seen it once in another thread and I am not even looking that hard.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:21 | 1747242 CaptA
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Thu, 10/06/2011 - 17:54 | 1747658 diesheepledie
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"Someone said that Americans are just a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue."

Thanks for the shout out. That was me. It is totally true. And with respect to the disgusting animals loose on Wall Street the answer is simple: Herd and process the cattle that get out and run amok. Drive them into orange plastic pens and spray them with chemicals!!! YES!!Just like the herd animals that they are.

I love the ones who say they want "freedom". Really now? Freedom means no government handouts, no free shit. These are house pets that slip through the front door and run down the street, seeking "freedom"; only to come crawling back the next day; cold, wet, and hungry needing that handout. These filthy mutts couldn't survive a week being "free". They would starve or be eaten by a predator.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 23:12 | 1748470 Apply Force
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Maybe they'd make it without good old and maybe they wouldn't - that's freedom... the law of nature. 

You're so above them?!?  You're the exact kind of punk ass bitch I'd love to run into in dark alley.  Herd me - I dare you.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 18:35 | 1747789 RockyRacoon
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Yo, wanklord, you've been beating the Boomer drum for a long time.  So, you're good at pointing fingers at your chosen culprit.  What's your solution for correcting the miscarriages of justice that you perceive?   It's time for solutions... not accusations.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:54 | 1748125 diesheepledie
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I can help with this one .... 1.) Concentration camps for the unproductive, 2.) Debtor's prisons for free-lunch-borrowers, 3.) Cut off ALL social security, 4.) Sterilisation of welfare recipients, 5.) Revoke voting rights for unemployed and non-net-taxpayers - includes students and retires

That's just off the cuff. I can come up with much more.

Sat, 10/08/2011 - 10:30 | 1752741 RockyRacoon
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You'd be the perfect Republican candidate!  You should run for office.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 18:41 | 1747810 Confuchius
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A glimmer of hope: REF: NSPD 51

As the indomitable Afghans have shown over & over, a home made $50 IED and/or an easily acquired RPG, can immobilize the biggest tracked vehicle and instantly convert it into a roadblock (and an inferno). Helicopters have a very short half-life against RPGs. AK-47s and their look-alikes work just as well now as when they were first produced.

Recall also that the military is an unproven "asset" if attempted to be used against their own brothers and sisters willy-nilly.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 01:37 | 1748749 PJPony
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When are you going to learn the boomers didn't start this mess?  How could we save ANYTHING?   We were taxed to death if we tried to, told we had to invest in our children's futures in order for the dears to go to college and when we couldn't save enough, we took out second mortgages and got second jobs so the youthful snots could be indoctrinated by the infiltrated institutions known as higher education.

All of this mess started during our grandparent's day.  We were oblivious to the fact that we were being screwed because we fell for the lies, too!

Now, after working our asses off to give our children a better chance than we had, we're told it's all our fault that the thieves stole our retirement, our homes and the minds of our children.

Blame someone else.  I did what I could with what I had, raised my children as best as I could and am looking at starvation when the ungrateful brats of this nation decide I've lived long enough,.

Grow up.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:49 | 1747104 RacerX
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best comment was from the other day:

"..and I brought weed!"

pretty much sums it up

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:39 | 1747337 Ponzified Plebe
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Well said BD&U. Check back with these protesters in a few years when they have yet to have find jobs anywhere but waiting tables for TPTB, and they will be yearing for the capitalism that allowed their parents and grandparents to flourish (at least for a while), while they are thralls to a zombie Market run by the likes of Moore, Soros, and an immortal robo-Buffet. Trying to take down capitalism is akin to stepping on one's own dick, it's the only system that allows the common man to earn an honest buck, sadly most of these kids won't realize that until it's probably too late.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 22:08 | 1748287 bankruptcylawyer
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what are you kidding. the younger they are, the quicker it is to retrain them. a weekend in new york is like a weekend at the bottom of mount sinai . 

enough to convert you to a new religion..

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:27 | 1747283 IQ 145
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Mike Krieger and useful idiots; go together so well. He was the useful idiot who told the faithful to buy lots of silver dollars and bankrupt JP Morgan; if I remember correctly; and now we're supposed to listen to him ranting and raving. Why? He's an idiot.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:43 | 1747348 Ponzified Plebe
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5-4-3-2-1 Queue IQ 145's inane bullshit, it's as dependable of Old Faithful.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 18:42 | 1747815 Max Hunter
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Until there is a run on the dollar.. then he will mysteriously become absent..

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 18:44 | 1747825 Confuchius
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NO. You, iq 14.5 are the idiot.

Our $5 Silver is doing what it has always done. Protecting us from the paper munney shills like you.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 00:01 | 1748571 Richard Head
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IQ 1.45

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 19:20 | 1747923 4horse
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hh, he like near everbody ever named here are merely that, the hired help

ff, likewise mm and his fatfux are all just so ugly fuggin Fat Behind the scenes as to always require false fronts                 
                                                                                                                                                                                                          which, whether friggin financially or aesthetically, means their fat finger on the-scales-of-justice never gets anything right:

Did you know that whenever a witness identified someone besides eric harris or dylan klebold by name as having been an attacker, the name was redacted in the 'official' reports?
Did you know that the lead fbi investigator's son, not only helped found the 'trench coat mafia', but also made a 'parody' video showing the destruction of the school 2yrs before the massacre actually happened?
It's questions like these & many other discrepancies that are at the heart of evan long's feature-length investigation into 'the columbine cause.'

tyler durden on Wed, 09/29/2010 - 14:15

Nowhere has the Versailles Treaty been analyzed so well as in the book by Keynes, a British representative at Versailles. In his book Keynes ridicules Wilson and the part he played in the Treaty of Versailles. Here, Wilson proved to be an utter simpleton [useful idiot?], whom Clemenceau and Lloyd George twisted round their little {fatfuckin} fingers.

WW  mm

  all hh

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 22:44 | 1748386 Shineola
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I wonder which "Gov't results" Timmay is referring to?   The false flag attack that killed 3,000 Americans?  The invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, or Libya?   Maybe, Timmay wants us to demand murder-by-drone of more American citizens?   Maybe, we wants to drone-kill the protesters who are shouting "F*#K the FED!"? 


Yeah, better results from Gov't!   But, for whom?

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:15 | 1746656 rocker
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Here's a bigger bunch of commie thieves that run Wall Street.

  High Frequency Traders:  Per CNBC

 Manoj Narang,   Vincent “Vinnie” Viola,  David Whitcomb,  Steven Swanson,

 Dave Cummings, Mark Gorton,  Richard Gorelick,

 Special Note:  A math and computer expert, Narang worked at Wall Street firms such

 as Citibank and Goldman Sachs in the 1990s.

Then there is the Trading Desk of GS, JPM and WFC.  


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:21 | 1746684 moregoldplease
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By definition there are no commie thieves on Wall Street. If they were communists they would simply be theives. Communism is defined as a method of sharing equally ( which never works as there is no such thing as equality of achievement).

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:39 | 1746780 rocker
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 They share the money that they take from honest investors with each other. Eh.

 Between each other. They make up over 80% of trades at present time.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:21 | 1747001 mjk0259
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Plus control commodity markets and make everyone else pay higher gas, etc

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:43 | 1746794 Deadpool
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Oligarchy which is the true communism...and I think you know it, moreauplz

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:18 | 1746669 Melin
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Now que the "We need bigger, vaster government with far more controls" comments.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:32 | 1746750 Corn1945
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The irony here is that these people are begging for more government while being maced in the face by the same government they want to give more power to!

Don't kid yourself. Wall Street loves this shit. They will make even more money if these fools succeed at expanding the government's power.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 19:49 | 1747988 calltoaccount
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You're not paying attention.  They don't want more gov.  They want a gov that isn't bought and paid for by Wall Street and other corporate sociopaths who don't give a fuk about anything other than getting more for themselves-- and everyone else be damned.  Our gov and election system has been thoroughly corrupted by the force of money.  OWS wants an end to that-- not to capitalism.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 21:28 | 1748198 Melin
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So, the protestors have a well-developed understanding of laissez-faire and are demonstrating in order to implement it.  Got it.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:25 | 1746709 Dr. Richard Head
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I must say I am deeply disturbed by the number of Obama supports that are at the #occupycleveland protest.  Have they not been paying attention to the Crony in Chief?

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:32 | 1746746 knukles
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Yes, they've been paying attention... to what he says, not what he does.
They're being co-opted by the left (Soros, moveon, moveover, moveyourstool, SEIU, etc) in order to transmute the anger into Democratic votes.  And they'll be successful. 

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:31 | 1746741 Roy Bush
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The problem is the name calling..."left vs. right" is a false paradigm.  My hope is that the "left and right" can unite around a Ron Paul type message of liberty and freedom.  Environmentalism could be a property rights issue; Social aid and welfare could be a state's rights issue.  And, power out of the hands of a large central government would put war out of the question in most cases.  

The "End the Fed" movement is the first place to start.  False money is the root of almost all the evils of today's current state of affairs.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:32 | 1747037 Ruffcut
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Fuck educating useful idiots.

As famed scholar and poet Ron White said; "You can't fix stupid."

For four years I've been talking to family and getting the shunning. I'm tired and sick of it. I'm drinkin a cold beer, looking for the next trade and will BBQ chicken for dinner tonite. Proud to be an AMeriKan Idiot.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:10 | 1747186 Abitdodgie
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Ive got bad news for you , you cannot be a "American idiot" because you realise what is going on around you, at one point you took the red pill, once you have done that you start to use your own brain and question "why" unfortunatly there is no going back . just wait untill you learn about becoming a sovereign (if you have not all ready) Sometimes I really wish I was just a usefull idiot again life was so  simple.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 17:10 | 1747504 gmrpeabody
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Cold beer and BBQ chicken does not an idiot make.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:41 | 1748089 akak
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I have no problem with useful idiots --- it's all the useless ones that really piss me off.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:08 | 1746615 trav7777
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Krieger is now just a useless idiot

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:11 | 1746632 LFMayor
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yeah and I'm betting he's wealthier than he was just a little while ago.  He didn't sell out Trav... he bought IN

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:32 | 1746748 clymer
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Yeah "Trav". What he said :)

nothing like watching two shills piggy-back each other in a vain attempt to thwart the truth. Keep on keeping on, fools

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:30 | 1746734 Ahmeexnal
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Trav7777 the useful fucktard who supports Ogolfer.  Amazing what some people will do for foodstamps.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:35 | 1746761 trav7777
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I support Obama?  WTF?

Did you forget to take your meds today, shitball?

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 17:25 | 1747566 IQ 145
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Always was. Just another motor mouth on the Tube stirring up the 'tards.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 18:24 | 1747755 doomandbloom
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agree...OWS managed to generate enough awareness in a few weeks .....which ZH could not manage in a few years.. who is the true idiot here?


That must be me, for spending time on this site , and asking others to come here. Did not realise this blog is run by ex sheep that now believe they are intellectually superior.


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:33 | 1748073's picture

OWS has made whom aware of what? That's a two-fer!

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 00:39 | 1748650 Richard Head
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Get the fuck out then!

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:14 | 1746647 Segestan
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Like parasites the commies are sticking it to the host.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 17:08 | 1747488 sullymandias
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All you people crying about commies are totally missing the point. The point is, there are demonstrations in the streets of the US, in many major cities. How do you think change is going to come about? By commenting on a blog post? By buying guns and PMs? By watching the markets from your computer screen? Bullshit.

The people are on the streets. Their political persuasions don't matter. You and they have a common enemy: the elite. If you could set aside for one moment your commitment to your belief that communism is some ultimate evil, you might realize there are larger issues at hand.

This is not ideological warfare. This is class warfare, plain and simple. One class is the elite masters. The other class is the rest of us, the 99.9%. Ideology, yours or theirs, does not matter. Class matters, and there are just two classes: the elite, and the rest of us.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:35 | 1748082's picture

I'm an individual in a sea of individuals. Class warfare is a load of crap.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:14 | 1746653 slewie the pi-rat
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#OWS does, i would think, appeal to the idealism in all of us (we wld hope!) and at the very least gives people a chance to see the Wall St. v. Main Street needs for and legitimate claims upon the nation's wealth and resources played out on location and somewhat dramatically.  so yes, given the amount of lies and utter bullshit we've been fed while "Wall Street"'s gamblers lost pretty much all their own and many others' capital and wealth, too, and then their losses were socialized and/or "covered for a while" by our goobermint, just DO it!

but on a practical level, the "other side" may actually benefit the most, at least in the short term, and possibly very much longer, and critically so

why?  b/c the folks' "messages" about why they are for Main Street now are being deflected and minimized by the MSM.  the "design" of #Occupy Wall Street was to get the flip-flops and tennies in there.  but it will be up to journalists to fight out the meanings and the why's

the meaning is that these fine freaking folk want the priorities re-set to Main Street.  and they have many personal and individual reasons and ideas about what the fuk would be better than this corpo-fascist bankster-pol-fiancial-miltary crap!

so it's Main Street ready to kick Wall Street's mofo ass, which is fight club, BiCheZ! and also "my voice and ideas count" on the personal level

i think if people language the get-togethers in these terms or something like them, it might help get a more focused message into play

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:21 | 1746685 Deadpool
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first rule: don't talk about fight club.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:06 | 1746942 Nascent_Variable
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I don't care if a majority of the people there don't get how the world works, the fact that they're willing to stand up is the first step.

Shifting the focus from Left versus Right to the People versus the Central Planners is a noble goal in and of itself.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:40 | 1747074 slewie the pi-rat
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if Main Street wants to #OWS and call out the corporate welfare boyz & securitiZation fraud wizards, why not?

people ready to get out in the street and get heard, why not?

just follow the usual rules:

keep it peaceful and civil, & look out for the obligatory agent provocateur who's there to start something violent and lose-lose.  if you're not there to get arrested, don't let somebody talk you into getting arrested 

use that thing atop yer neck and stay in charge of yourself

don't "inadvertantly" become part of something you didn't bargain for

make love, not money

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:57 | 1747436 Catch-22
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Amazing how your words flow coherent/lucid and interesting, but sometimes man, I have no clue what you're talking about... maybe it's just me, at those times, not so coherent/lucid.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 17:19 | 1747540 gmrpeabody
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The Rat fades in and out (depending on his mood), but mostly he gets it. ;-)

Then there's Trav..., never know which direction he may come at you. :-0


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 18:44 | 1747821 RockyRacoon
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Don't be fooled.  Slewie is one of the smartest people on ZH.   He is an acquired taste, to be sure, but well worth the effort.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 21:08 | 1748157 Hulk
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Agreed. Didn't like his style at first, but I caught on...

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:47 | 1747090 Ruffcut
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According to my math computations, from years of education, the "idiots" have outlived their usefulness.

Kissinger calls us "useless eaters". For now, I'm good with that.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:06 | 1748023 calltoaccount
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it would also help if people understood that joblessness and the increasingly "unequal distribution of wealth" is a direct result of gov enabled lying, cheating and STEALING!  the systemic corruption of all branches and elements of gov (and msmedia) was and is achieved by bribery in fact, if not by name. if the public better understood that they are CRIME victims, that their future has been literally STOLEN from them by the .01% who have indu$ed the peoples' representatives and regulators to betray their oaths and public duties for cold cash-- the demands would be more precise and adamant. that's where this needs to go next.  

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 02:50 | 1748810 Cardinal Fang
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mmm, unwashed hippie wanna-bes stinkin' up the curb spouting marxist drivel is ...quite pedestrian. Middle class white people marching on Wash DC carrying signs and pocket Constitutions is a whole differenter thing. I think this is being misread by a lot of folks...

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:16 | 1746658 surf0766
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"The moment I knew the Occupy Wall Street protests were the real deal" There is nothing real about them.


A woman in her late 70's said the young people  protesting in NYC were being used just like they were used in the 60's.


History does repeat itself.


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:23 | 1746697 moregoldplease
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That "old lady" has a very faulty memory as is the case with us old folks. The sixties were nothing like the vapid, derivative, even degenerate group currently at work.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:33 | 1746751 surf0766
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Same M.O. get rid of capitalism. Same thing they want now.. Same thing they wanted then

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:37 | 1746772 trav7777
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there was nobody more vapid than the 60s set.  NOBODY.

Look at the shit you gave us.  The main ideas of the 60s need to be put to death.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:20 | 1746997 wherewasi
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a - fucking - men

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:54 | 1747123 ToNYC
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"For two weeks in the Summer of 1967 everything was perfect."

- Paul Kantner (J. Airplane)

Free Love with no relationship baggage in the great and glorious nookie  exchange was the only gift to you. Looks like you are back to your steady diet, elbow to elbow with pirates and hoes, seeing black.

The high road don't go to Hell.



Thu, 10/06/2011 - 23:22 | 1748483 bid the soldier...
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We gave you drugs, dude. talk about standing there drooling for donuts.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:09 | 1746956 GeneMarchbanks
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Sadly the only difference is that they were slimmer.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:36 | 1746766 DosZap
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A woman in her late 70's said the young people  protesting in NYC were being used just like they were used in the 60's.

There is a huge difference between the two.

Having seen both LIVE.

The 60's rads, are the ONES that have brought us to this point.

The NEW young, have nothing, (no hope, no chance for a job,etc,etc)the 60's rads had EVERYTHING materially they wanted.

Being used, and wanting to be a part of something is two different issues.

Wait till the tea Party folks join in..............the numbers will Quadruple,likely more.

The worse it gets, the more will come. As I have said here several times, there are not enough LE to handle this, and the Military(EX esp) are joining the cause.

Freedom of speech, assembly, withoutgetting maced or beaten with a baton,is still guaranteed.

Because they do not OBEY the Law of the Land, makes no difference.

One side will cave, because if  it does not, the shooting starts.......................then the 1% are finished.

Face it, OUR GOVERNMENT is CROOKED and CORRUPT from Obama all the way down, and it must be put back in order.

When the LAW does not follow the Law, it's time to replace them all.And replaced they WILL Be.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:42 | 1746791 trav7777
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the 60s wants equality and civil rights where nature provided no such thing.  They want someone else's kids bussed, for others to bear the brunt of the black undertow.  They're like this moron I was arguing with the other day, some 20 year old white chick who wants to do black studies because she was "helping" in Kenya.  Helping what, I asked.  Doesn't she realize that this crap has been going on for 40 years?  And the powerful and military and governments and corruption that she says keeps the poor down there are only being ENRICHED by the influx of aid from the West?  It's going straight into the bank accounts of the elite there and the solution is...MORE?

This is the problem with the 60s mentality and the people who came from it and the entire zeitgeist.  It's intellectually bankrupt but terminally conceited.  There has never been a mindset more divorced from reality and the more reality slaps it back the harder they try to deny and wilfully ignore.  Fuck the 60s and everything they stood was wrong.  And fuck John Lennon too.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:47 | 1746817 Deadpool
Deadpool's picture have me up to "fuck John Lennon"...

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:02 | 1747152 Bay of Pigs
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Yeah, Trav reminds me my step dad who was a Major in Marine Corps in Korea and Vietnam.

He was totally fucked up in the head, much like Trav. Bitter, angry, divisive, mean spirited, etc.....

Kind of the opposite of John Lennon.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:58 | 1746894 clymer
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I can't tell if I agree or disagree with Trav - what with the beef with Kreiger

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:42 | 1748092's picture

And fuck John Lennon too.


"I don't remember saying that [the song] Revolution was revolutionary... You say that in order to change the world you have to destroy it. Ruthlessly. You're obviously on a destruction kick. I'll tell you what's wrong with it - people. So, do you want to destroy them? Ruthlessly? You seem to think it's just a class war... The lyrics still stand today. They're still my feelings about politics: I want to see the PLAN. That is what I used to say to Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman. Count me out if it's for violence... What's the point in bombing Wall Street? If you want to change the system, change the system. It's no good shooting people." -- Lennon

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:49 | 1746830 surf0766
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Can you buy a clue for $1.00?  Gotta run... Work.. .. Tea party will never join the marxists.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:16 | 1746659 Zonker
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Could it be ZH is the useful idiots for those that need the markets down?  Just a thought


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:29 | 1746728 sitenine
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Stupid troll.
There is nothing idiotic about the truth.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:39 | 1746787 viv_savage
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That was a thought?

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:30 | 1747029 Loose_Cannon
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Markets? We don't need no steenking markets!

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:32 | 1747030 Loose_Cannon
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Thu, 10/06/2011 - 15:56 | 1747129 ToNYC
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Just a thought would be just the start you might need to reach the curb.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:18 | 1746666 dick cheneys ghost
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Love him or hate him, Alex Jones will be at the dallas fed tomorrow...........with bullhorn and camera....

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:18 | 1746667 SRV - ES339
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So lets get this straight Mike... only those sharing your world view are welcome at this extraordinarily important moment in American history.

A little self absorbed today aren't we!


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:26 | 1746715 moregoldplease
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It is usually the case that those who disagree with us are wrong. This is the normal pattern of human nature, which can only be altered through experience and the sort of education that is not on offer in today's "higher education factories"

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 18:21 | 1747746 Rynak
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Strawman argument.

The cases where others disagreeing with ZH consensus and especially tyler, have nothing to do with ideology... and little with worldviews.... but actually, just plain selfhonesty, logic and maths.... stuff like "this simply doesn't add up" or "you claim the numbers are this, but lets see, they're actually like that, and they do not support your predictions at all".... that kind of stuff.

So, ZHers when it comes to financials and market dynamics, being more reliable, does not verify their prefered wishworld-view and ideology.... because uh, quite simply, what they want, never existed and doesn't exist now... so it cannot have been verified anyways, unless someone succeeds in implementing it!

TL/DR? ZHers are good at financials and usually proven right in that regard. Their ideology and worldview however never has been "proven right", so the original argument still stands. ZHers are saying to those protests "Our way, or the highway." - good luck with that....

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:18 | 1746670 PAPA ROACH
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Okay, anyone want to place bets on how long until the peaceful protests go Rodney King style rogue rioting?

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:26 | 1746717 NotApplicable
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Depends upon how vigilant the protestors are at spotting and sequestering provocateurs (a.k.a. off-duty cops).

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:33 | 1746752 Ahmeexnal
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That's easy.  Hold a doughnut up to their faces and if they start drooling, it's a fucking pig.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:29 | 1746729 Tuco Benedicto ...
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As long as it takes our government to provacateur!

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:02 | 1748015 o2sd
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With counter intelligence we should be able to identify potential troublemakers and neutralize them.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:44 | 1746802 SheepDog-One
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Yea PAPA ROACH I keep concluding they want it to get out of control, probably be a lot of bodies down there some night....and then govt DHS swoops in 'Oh SEE all you people? We TRY to let you play nice and now look what youve done...we have no choice now but to take all the rest of your rights away because you misused them'...see it clearly!

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:19 | 1746673 Deadpool
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this is the actual reality of the protests we've ranted about for years. Instead of the virtual reality of pissin' and moanin' on blogs they are hitting the streets. I don't know if this will result in a Kent State like tragedy and since the protest is not against D.C. (as in Nixon's day) but instead against "banks", I doubt it. 

I admire the resolve of the protests and wonder about the results. I see O's constituency in the crowd (enviro, socialist, union, etc.) so I don't expect him to come out against it, but the bank friendly mayors and governors may get itchy trigger fingers. Very dangerous and somewhat misguided, in my opinion, but again, reality.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:27 | 1746722 moregoldplease
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Your subliminal fantasy will remain just that. There is no danger of a Kent State (first shot fired by demonstrators) or any other SDS type action.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 18:55 | 1747851 RockyRacoon
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The Kent State casualties were people.  Not an idea...


Killed (and approximate distance from the National Guard):

  • Jeffrey Glenn Miller; age 20; 265 ft (81 m) shot through the mouth; killed instantly
  • Allison B. Krause; age 19; 343 ft (105 m) fatal left chest wound; died later that day
  • William Knox Schroeder; age 19; 382 ft (116 m) fatal chest wound; died almost an hour later in a hospital while undergoing surgery
  • Sandra Lee Scheuer; age 20; 390 ft (120 m) fatal neck wound; died a few minutes later from loss of blood

Wounded (and approximate distance from the National Guard):

  • Joseph Lewis Jr.; 71 ft (22 m); hit twice in the right abdomen and left lower leg
  • John R. Cleary; 110 ft (34 m); upper left chest wound
  • Thomas Mark Grace; 225 ft (69 m); struck in left ankle
  • Alan Michael Canfora; 225 ft (69 m); hit in his right wrist
  • Dean R. Kahler; 300 ft (91 m); back wound fracturing the vertebrae, permanently paralyzed from the chest down
  • Douglas Alan Wrentmore; 329 ft (100 m); hit in his right knee
  • James Dennis Russell; 375 ft (114 m); hit in his right thigh from a bullet and in the right forehead by birdshot, both wounds minor
  • Robert Follis Stamps; 495 ft (151 m); hit in his right buttock
  • Donald Scott MacKenzie; 750 ft (230 m); neck wound
Thu, 10/06/2011 - 19:46 | 1747983 Bay of Pigs
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What's with some of these people around here Rocky? These people were unarmed and killed in cold blood. 

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:12 | 1748035 RockyRacoon
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I dunno.  There is a lot of distance from reality due to being able to blather through a website than getting out and seeing the world as it is.   I'll caution the folks who have a problem with Boomers.   All of us weren't raised with the silver spoon scenario.  Beware giving one of us trouble.   I carry every day and have no problem using it when provoked.  You'd think that the Boomer bashers don't have silver-haired mothers someplace -- like they must have crawled out from under a rock or something.   I'd like to see one of them address their parents so profanely as they do the older folks here.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:42 | 1748093 Ahmeexnal
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Don't forget Ruby Ridge and Waco.

The power elite brainwashed the sheeple into believing Koresh was the antichrist who ate little babies for breakfast.


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 20:52 | 1748120's picture

And the Bonus Marchers, too.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 01:30 | 1748737 Gyro Gearloose
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Damn straight Rocky!!!  This generational hate is so absurd and shallow on so many levels the mind reels.

The majority wasn't spoon fed and unless you lived through it you really have no idea what many of us went through.  Many seem to think we were all on the same page as the fat cats now in power and nothing could be further from the truth.  There falling right into line of Divide and Conquer thinking that TPTB want.

All this generational labeling is arbitrary Bullshit!  And if anybody thinks we got one foot in the grave and we're a tad bit crazy your probably right......willing to help or fight whichever you prefer.

Rock on brother....You and your kind have made ZH Great!

Sat, 10/08/2011 - 10:34 | 1752750 RockyRacoon
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I told those who would fight again for freedom that I'd be on the front line.  I mean real freedom.  I've been around long enough, paid the dues expected of me, and I'd give myself as cannon fodder if it would help make a better life for the younger folk who follow.   But those little bastards better convince me that they'd do better than former generations did.  So far they are falling flat on that job.

Sat, 10/08/2011 - 22:03 | 1753854 Gyro Gearloose
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Exactly, I don't see  enough truly "getting it" until maybe after the dust settles after the inevitable chaos ahead.  And that's being optimistic!

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:31 | 1746739 Deadpool
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"What we've seen over the last year is not only did the financial sector with the Republican Party and Congress fight us every inch of the way, but now you've got these same folks suggesting that we should roll back all those reforms and go back to the way it was before the crisis,"Obama


“Banks are part of the problem in the economy,” he said. “The American people know -- they don’t guess, they know -- the reason the CEO of the Bank of America, or anybody in that business, is in the business is because they, that guy making 50,000 bucks bailed him out, bailed him out. Put his financial security on the line when his government said we’re gonna come up with a trillion-plus dollars to bail him out.” Joe Biden

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 23:02 | 1746682 Taint Boil
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You also have the Dilbert Principle From Wiki:


I wrote The Dilbert Principle around the concept that in many cases the least competent, least smart people are promoted, simply because they’re the ones you don’t want doing actual work. You want them ordering the doughnuts and yelling at people for not doing their assignments—you know, the easy work. Your heart surgeons and your computer programmers—your smart people—aren’t in management. That principle was literally happening everywhere


And of course the Peter Principle From Wiki


The principle holds that in a hierarchy, members are promoted so long as they work competently. Eventually they are promoted to a position at which they are no longer competent (their "level of incompetence"), and there they remain, being unable to earn further promotions. Peter's Corollary states that "in time, every post tends to be occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out their duties" and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence". "Managing upward" is the concept of a subordinate finding ways to subtly "manage" superiors in order to limit the damage that they end up doing.


I work in the industrial automation industry and I can tell you that “useful idiots” are abundant and very useful.



Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:25 | 1746712 treemagnet
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I found it interesting that FOX supported and defended the Tea Partiers and now mock this protest.  People say they don't know what the protesters stand for - until they start throwing shit, then they "get it" and wonder why it could be just what it is....peaceful, for now.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:27 | 1746723 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Stipulated with articulation.  I agree 100%.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:29 | 1746730 moregoldplease
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I find it interesting that on the flip side the MSM is doing the same reverse analysis of the OWS vs Tea Party. What's your point?

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:35 | 1746757 Dr. Richard Head
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I believe his point is that the media is perpetuating the divide between the left and right when the reality is that most of us agree on 99% of the same information.  The media likes to drive everyone's attention to the 1% difference while both side of the aisle in Capital Hill loot away.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:38 | 1746778 treemagnet
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The little that I've seen of the MSM has been similar to FOX's coverage and dismissive attitude.  The few exceptions would be that maybe the protest by the MSM is seen for what it is - a boiling pot full of hot, but not boiling water.  Thats my point.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:45 | 1746813 SheepDog-One
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Remember treemagnet early on Obama came out and threatened them to 'get their heads straight' theyre just repeaters saying what theyre told like all the rest.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:27 | 1746720 Missiondweller
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You think George Soros is an idiot?  You don’t think he knows exactly what he is doing when he voices his support?  He is trying to co-opt it and own it.  He didn’t start anything.  He is a carpetbagger of the highest order.

Mmmmm Not quite. Soros is behind the protest and funding it through the Tides foundation and others. The irony, of course, is that a billionaire banker is funding the Wall St protests against.....bankers.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:30 | 1746736 SheepDog-One
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Why is Soros funding it, whats the purpose? 

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:34 | 1746754 Missiondweller
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Just as the author says, to push his own agenda as he has for a long time.


Where the writter was wrong is calling him a carpetbagger rather than recognizing the Soros has had an agenda for a long time.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:41 | 1746789 SheepDog-One
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OK, so what is 'the agenda'? Thats what Im asking.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:56 | 1746883 Missiondweller
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For one, to re-elect Obama.


How do you re-elect an unpopular president with 9% unemployment?


1) Find an enemy (Wall St Banks)

2) Attack them by mobilising them through left-wing organizations (, Tides, International Answer, labor unions and Marxist organizations)

3) Co-opt where possible others (Tea Party people who also protested Bank bailouts)

4) Associate your opponent (whoever wins the Republican nomination) with the hated group.

5) Win by running as the better alternative to the hated representative of Wall St (the republican, whoever he is). Its the Top down-Bottom up theory. The protesting street is the bottom up, Obama is the top down "coming to the rescue"


This is Obama's strategy with help of the same groups that have supported him before. Its the only way a he can win given how bad the economy is. No President since FDR has won re-election with an unemploymnet rate over 8%.

As for Soros' other goals you can research them but he seems to favor a marxist economy and just as the author says establish his own feudalist state. Why not? He already has his wealth.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 16:20 | 1747251 three chord sloth
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Soros' agenda is power, of course. His chosen path to power is internationalism. He always pushes it.

He recognized long ago that in a globalized, internationalized world, the UN gets the headlines and the glory, but the power sits in a thousand NGOs... and whoever controls the foundations that fund these NGOs controls the international system.

These NGOs are ideal conduits to power as they are NOT accountable to the common people, they answer to the money people, and they are GREAT at spreading whatever message the money people want.

While Soros positions himself as a friend to the common man, he is anything but. His agenda consistently seeks to bypass the nation-state (however imperfect, still somewhat accountable to the people) in favor of elite transnational organizations above, and non-democratic, self-appointed tribal/ethnic/issue pressure groups below. If he has his way, life in America (and the rest of the world) will be like life in England -- you can vote for any representative you want, but they will be powerless... their hands tied and their agenda set by international treaties on Human Rights, Environmentalism, Worker's Rights, Migrant's Rights, etc...

When you study his agenda, one thing stands out: he consistently believes that the world needs to be run by a behind-the-scenes elite, sheltered from scrutiny and accountablility, because the masses are too stupid and greedy... but somehow he is not. Politics as puppet show with he and his pulling the strings. He's a [hidden] authoritarian with an aristocratic worldview.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 14:38 | 1746769 Ahmeexnal
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He made his fortune breaking the BOE. Now he wants to break the FED. And the US too.  Make that the whole world.

He wants global war and eugenics.

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