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A Modern Day Worker Revolt

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In a stunning and shocking turn of events at Lonmin's Marikana platinum mine in South Africa, Reuters shows this extremely graphic clip of police opening fire on striking miners. A Reuters cameraman says he saw at least seven bodies after the shooting, which occurred when police laying out barricades of barbed wire were outflanked by some of an estimated 3,000 miners massed on a rocky outcrop near the mine, northwest of Johannesburg. Marx is not dead. In fact, far from it.

 

and Via Bloomberg BusinessWeek:

Lonmin Plc (LMI) slumped in London trading after saying Chief Executive Officer Ian Farmer was hospitalized with an illness and it may miss output goals following a violent strike. South African press photographs showed at least 10 people dead today as police opened fire on armed miners.

 

A six-day work stoppage at Lonmin’s Marikana operations in South Africa’s North West province has resulted in rioting, and fatalities rose today as police moved in to disperse protesters, Johannesburg’s eNews channel reported. Lonmin also issued a statement saying Farmer had a “serious illness” and Chairman Roger Phillimore will take charge of the executive committee.

 

Farmer’s hospitalization gives Lonmin “a lot of problems,” Carole Ferguson, an analyst at Fairfax IS Ltd., said by telephone from London. Farmer has a “hands-on role” where the company has its operations, she said.

 

Lonmin, the third-biggest platinum miner, has lost metals output equivalent to 15,000 ounces of platinum at Marikana since rock-drill operators downed tools on Aug. 10, the Johannesburg- based company said in a separate statement. The workers, many of whom have camped out near the site, have been issued with an ultimatum to return by tomorrow or face dismissal, it said.

 

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Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:35 | 2711197 Concentrated po...
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Tyranny Bitches!

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:42 | 2711220 Precious
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Fucking human insanity.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:42 | 2711225 flacon
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Fucking cowards! 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:45 | 2711233 Stackers
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That could never happen in America............... except maybe on college campuses in Ohio.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:49 | 2711246 johnQpublic
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how can you run when you know....

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:51 | 2711249 malikai
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Back to work, slaves!

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:43 | 2711485 Dr Benway
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Such confrontations can only end in tragedy for both sides. See link below for another video of crowd versus cops.

 

http://www.apacheclips.com/media/38217/Police_Officers_stoned_to_death_In_Line_Of_Duty/

 

 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:46 | 2711579 FEDbuster
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Social Security Administration places order for 174,000 rounds of .357 Sig hollow points:

http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-t...

or if you "can't stand" infowars

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ready-why-did-the-national-weather-servi...

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:50 | 2711605 Abiotic Oil
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FMJ for practice and HP for killing.

If you can't see what they are preparing to do then...

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:03 | 2711683 Comay Mierda
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this is how the welfare hordes will react when their gubmint checks cant buy anything thanks to hyperinflation

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:29 | 2711809 i-dog
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Then they stand to contract a "serious illness".

"Farmer had a “serious illness”"

Yep ... lead poisoning is serious!

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:40 | 2711871 Precious
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This video is NIED (Not Important Enough for Drudge)

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:27 | 2712066 rocker
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Just a observation. But the article says they were armed protestors. 

If so. Why did not one police cop go down. Not one. Hmmmm.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:30 | 2712078 Michael
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Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:41 | 2712123 gmrpeabody
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Ludlow, Colorado.... 1913.

It happens here!

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 17:18 | 2712260 Buzz Fuzzel
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Further proof the the 2nd Amendment is the 27 most important words in the entire US Constitution.  Yes, this could happen here but the guys in blue would recieive return fire and the out come of the engagement would not be decided before the shooting started as it was in this video.

 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 17:22 | 2712274 zloty owadow
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I was wondering about that, too, so I watched the video again. Sure enough, each of those protestors had two arms; I saw them myself. What bothers me is, why didn't the police just shoot their arms off instead of killing them, if they were so afraid of them?

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 17:29 | 2712294 Taint Boil
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(Not Important Enough for Drudge)

 

Drudge – Ha, I check Drudge only to see what propaganda my masters want me to believe in. I wonder what will be the headlines for Drudge and Sean Hannity when Obama is gone. I’m sure they have another “Boggey Man” already picked out

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:21 | 2712047 Not Too Important
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Or when your taxes go straight up to pay for the wealthy to be protected from the 'masses'. You just don't realize you are one yet. How far will you go to protect the .0001% that want to steal everything you own?

We're all on the other side of that fence.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 17:44 | 2712232 The Big Ching-aso
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Or face dismissal.   I think they really meant or face dis missle.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 21:23 | 2712903 Simon Endean
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"FMJ for practice and HP for killing"

Common misconception.  Hollowpoints have more stopping power, in that they will transfer more of their energy into whatever they hit, so the target is more likely to be put down by the shock.  However, they aren't better killing rounds.  Most people who are shot die from blood loss, and Full Metal Jacket rounds tend to get full penetration on human targets.  2 holes = more, faster blood loss.  Plus, if you're firing at crowds, FMJ rounds can hit multiple targets after a pass-through; hollowpoints won't, far more often than not.  Hollowpoints are also less effective at penetrating cover than are FMJ rounds.  Thus, hollowpoints are considered "safer" rounds for all concerned in self-defense shooting: less likely to penetrate the walls of your house and hit your neighbors, more likely to immediately incapacitate an attacker, thereby saving the shooter, but less likely to kill the attacker, thereby saving him, too.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 21:47 | 2712957 Freddie
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Hollow Points are also often called by the liberal media - "cop killer" bullets. 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:56 | 2711951 prodigious_idea
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Interesting that of the SSA offices scheduled to receive ammo, the New Hampshire division is receiving 50% more than any other location.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:11 | 2712015 monad
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Prepare to be annexed, Canada! Its a toofer.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 02:51 | 2713260 GoinFawr
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why bother? Canuckistan already bends over backwards for 'asshole pay' anyway. Annex them and then you might start feeling responsible for them.

Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:22 | 2712051 Not Too Important
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A billion bullets ordered in less than six months.

There's your timeline, folks.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 21:48 | 2712960 oldman
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@fedbuster

Also, the only two words you will not hear from either of the two troll government that emerges as the 'winner' is

"STAND DOWN!"

Those rounds are for real---not for ssa         om

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:13 | 2711745 LowProfile
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"Such confrontations can only end in tragedy for both sides. See link below for another video of crowd versus cops."

Banner in the vid says DATANG, which means that probably happened in China.

Holy shit.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:22 | 2711788 Dr Benway
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I think it is Indonesia

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:33 | 2711830 i-dog
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Indeed, or Malaysia. "Selamat Datang" means "welcome" in Indonesian and Malay.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:59 | 2711898 Observer
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Totally misdirected anger. The unfortunate foot soldier is just road kill and the dumb hordes are just too f........g dumb to realise that. The extended family of one or some of those policemen killed was in all likelihood known (favourably) to some of the rioters and/or their families. F.....g thickheads. And yes it is Indonesia. That's what parliamentary democracy does in that part of the world. Won't happen in China. The cavalry will be there in no time and the families of the rioters will be toast. Harsh but the threat of that keeps them in line and is fair because when they have the right to vote people in..and out of office they buy obviously false promises and then get angry when they aren't fulfilled but still vote as a tribe for the same candidates. They deserve what they get. Come to think of it the allegedly developed world isn't that developed either. They behave exactly the same way except the violent reaction to their own idiocy...so far

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:20 | 2711778 midtowng
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The only reason people on ZH care is because it is in another country.

If it was union members in this country there would be cries for more blood. After all, labor unions are ALWAYS wrong except when they strike in communist countries.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:29 | 2712070 Not Too Important
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We've been talking about this same exact thing here on ZH for years now. We care very much.

You don't spend much time here, do you? We've all been screwed by the same folks. Most of us just haven't lost so much that we're willing to walk into a bullet yet.

Give us time, when the food runs out . . .

OTH, the food, water and air is all radiated because of Fukushima (the Japanese are getting ready to abandon the faciity), the lethal genetic mutations have already begun, the death rates are steadily climbing because of bioaccumulation, and the health care system will not be able to do anything about it. Combine this with a completely failed economic system, and off we go.

You have no idea of the horrific death soon to envelop the United States, and the rest of the world with it.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:35 | 2712090 midtowng
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Yes, we have all been screwed by the same folks.

And yet many people here are convinced that the people screwing them the most are Hollywood liberals, and "big labor".

It doesn't matter how many times its pointed out to them that its Wall Street doing the screwing, they aren't going to hear it.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:46 | 2712149 gmrpeabody
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And Hollywood liberals, and "big labor" are the enablers, among many.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 21:28 | 2712918 Cistercian
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Arbeit macht frei!

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 00:03 | 2713227 Stuck on Zero
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... and we'll keep shooting you until morale improves.

 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:49 | 2711247 Mylegacy
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Of course it wouldn't happen in America - American workers would never risk their overweight, bloated, totally screwed asses by questioning the man - let alone actually trying to improve their conditions.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:57 | 2711960 CH1
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I've improved my conditions a lot of times...BY QUITTING.... or BY MOVING.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:50 | 2711253 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Or in Oakland, New York, or anywhere in Texas. 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:45 | 2711814 hedgeless_horseman
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THERE HAS NEVER BEEN
A BETTER TIME TO BUY
AN AMERICAN MADE BATTLE RIFLE

"The Right Arm of the Free World"

DSA SA-58

.308 Caliber

STARTING AT $1,700

http://www.dsarms.com/FAL-SA58-Rifles/products/8/2/0

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:52 | 2711922 resurger
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Do i get handgun with that rifle.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:01 | 2711976 hedgeless_horseman
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Yes.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:27 | 2712069 Dave Thomas
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Hedgeless, that's Belgian, I mean I know it's made in the USA, but somewhere Eugene Stoner's ghost is crying.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:44 | 2712143 Abiotic Oil
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The only reason the FAL was not adopted as America's battle rifle replacement to the M1 Garand was corporatism.  We ended up with the M14.

Stoner's AR probably would have replaced that as well...

You should really have one (at least)  of each.  Every cop car in America has resupply of 5.56 and mags.

 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:57 | 2712193 Dave Thomas
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Kinda crazy actually. They all have an M4 in the trunk nowadays, thank you north hollywood shootout.

 

Makes you pine for the olden days don't it?

 

http://www.poster.net/rockwell-norman/rockwell-norman-the-runaway-210538...

 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 18:23 | 2712458 FEDbuster
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"THERE HAS NEVER BEEN
A BETTER TIME TO BUY
AN AMERICAN MADE BATTLE RIFLE"

Is there ever a "bad" time to buy a nice battle rifle?  Someday soon there may be a time when you cannot buy a battle rifle, so trade some FRNs today for one.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 21:29 | 2712921 Simon Endean
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"The only reason the FAL was not adopted as America's battle rifle replacement to the M1 Garand was corporatism."

Huh?  The M-14 was more accurate at range, and the FAL is pretty much uncontrollable in full auto (not that many things are highly controllable at cyclic rates, but the FAL was a real bear).  It's a great design, but the M-14 was a better design.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 22:04 | 2712991 Freddie
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Thank that prick McNamara.  He made it an MBA problem and they figured it was easier to hump a lot more .223 in Vietnam versus .308.  They also thought spray and pray was more effective in the jungle.  Also the more ammo the more supression fire one guy could lay down.

One Vietnam Vet told me the VC and NVA avoided the Aussies in Nam because they had .308 and FALs.  Most people have no idea the Aussies were even in JFK/LBJ's Vietnam War.  The main objective of Vietnam was to make LBJ richer.  

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 22:00 | 2712981 Freddie
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DSA are in Illinois.   I think the guy used to buy FAL and STG 58 (Steyr) kits where they had all the pieces but the receiver which the guy milled in Illinois.  I think he does that with the STG 58s.  The STG 58s are a bit cheaper.

The FAL clones, I think he builds and makes the whole thing now.   They are supposedly very good rifles.   The word on one gun group is that post 9--1, spec ops guys bought up all of the DSA's production for at least a year.  The U.S. military supposedly had an updated version of the M-14 in Afghanistan because .223 sucks in the canyons of Afghanistan.  They need .308. 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:26 | 2712063 Abiotic Oil
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Can. Not. Go. Wrong. With. FAL.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:50 | 2711258 localsavage
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An unarmed work force is an obedient work force.  Obama 2012

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:51 | 2711264 kridkrid
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Waiting for the next Kent State. It will be a false flag, is my guess, one of the two conventions wouldn't surprise me. A white surpremist or a new black panther... Nudged along his path.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:51 | 2712171 LongSoupLine
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nah...it'll be at a Chik-fil-a

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 17:09 | 2712231 Kali
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I considered pepper spraying unarmed university protesters (CA) a short hop, skip and jump to Kent State.  And this:  http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32182.htm, pretty durn close too.  Now they just "rendition" away the "troublemakers"

As for the SA miners, hell even the US "Ludlow" incident, small stuff compared to what happened to the "hillbilly" coal miners in the  SE US.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:52 | 2711271 Uchtdorf
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Seriously, you don't remember Waco?

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:58 | 2711309 1fortheroad
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The Ludlow Massacre 1914 comes to mind.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:04 | 2711344 kridkrid
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Which quite directly led us to the corporate controlled propaganda machine that shapes our perception of our reality. I.e. creates our reality.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:07 | 2711716 hannah
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the ludlow massacre NEVER HAPPENED....just show me  c current school textbook that has this in it...!....LOL. i doubt it is even covered in the classroom today....

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 19:25 | 2712574 Randall Cabot
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The Lattimer Massacre was the violent deaths of 19 unarmed striking immigrant anthracite coal miners at the Lattimer mine near Hazleton, Pennsylvania, on September 10, 1897. The miners, mostly of Polish, Slovak, Lithuanian and German ethnicity, were shot and killed by a Luzerne County sheriff's posse. Scores more workers were wounded. The Lattimer massacre was a turning point in the history of the United Mine Workers (UMW).

When the demonstrators reached Lattimer at 3:45 PM, they were met again by the sheriff and 150 armed deputies. Sheriff Martin ordered the marchers to disperse, and then attempted to grab an American flag out of the hands of the lead marcher. A scuffle ensued, and the police opened fire on the unarmed crowd. Nineteen miners died, and anywhere from 17 to 49 others wounded. All had been shot in the back, and several had multiple gunshot wounds which indicated that they had been targeted by the deputies

 

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattimer_massacre   

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:22 | 2711457 EINSILVERGUY
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Yep

and all of the campus takovers seem to stop once Kent St happened.

If you go up against someone with a weapon you best operate under the assumption  that they will use it and to live with your decision if you want to challenge.  You either go all in or you live under the yoke.

Don't point a weapon unless you intend to use it, and you damn sure don't challenge it without a reasonable assuarance that you can defeat it.

 

 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:31 | 2711819 aerojet
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It already happened in the US around the turn of the 20th century.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:51 | 2711267 SemperFord
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I agree, never trust cops, had good experiences with small town cops but don't trust them in general. And we can not, MUST NOT lose our right to bear arms.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:05 | 2711349 macholatte
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The Cops were just following orders.......

                just like they will do everywhere,

                                 including the USA.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:32 | 2711507 AlaricBalth
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Will do? Don't you mean, have done?

DENVER, Col.: Six striking I.W.W. miners were killed by State police today [Jan. 12, 1928] in the mining town of Walsenburg when a gang of strikers clashed with the State's armed forces which have been protecting coal mines in the district. Machine-guns, tear-gas bombs and other modern implements of war have been brought into play by police to force the surrender of 600 strikers who barricaded themselves in a building. The Walsenburg clash marks the second fatal armed engagement within the past two months.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:08 | 2711714 Dingleberry
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.......China can put every fucking printed dollar bill in Africa, and they might as well use it for toilet paper (or something more useful).  Africa is beyond hope and fixing. No way in hell.  Historical, ethical and cultural issues are the same there as they are in big cities here.  If money was to be made there (post imperialism-non-slavery, that is).......Lloyd and Jamie would be strip mining the place. But there ain't.  And remember.......South Africa is the MOST civilized of Sub-Sahara Africa.  You can guess the rest.

Enjoy the show.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 17:41 | 2712330 Antifaschistische
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I'm late to the response party AGAIN!   darn work.

What African's in general need to do is KEEP THEIR RESOURCES IN THE GROUND and stop raping their soil for short term gain to satisfy the resource appetite of Westerners, Northerners, and Easterners!!   Someday, Africa may want to gain themselves from their vast resources rather than being mining slaves for the rest of the world.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:48 | 2711240 Doode
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Justice bitchez! Do not want to work at the mine - then go work elsewhere. No one is keeping them there. Want more rights and pay - continue peaceful demonstration if the union supports it. Try to get violent and you will be put down like a dog that you are. SA police did absolutely the right thing. Hope they have done that with the Occupy in NYC more - one can only dream though.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:49 | 2711251 johnQpublic
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new low in trolling

-1

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:09 | 2711360 Doode
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New low in defending the indefensible. Since when is it marxists get a pat on a back. Wrong country buddy - not in the US of A even after 4 years of comrade Obama in charge. I am all for peaceful protests, but you attack the police and you get a bullet in a head. End of discussion.

 

PS. feeling unusually belligerent this afternoon.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:12 | 2711396 malikai
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Sounding belligerent, too.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:14 | 2711411 chet
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Have you ever read Marx?  You might be surprised to find that a lot of his writings have been misrepresented.  Few people have truly read or understand Adam Smith for that matter.  Ayn Rand is easier, I guess.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:27 | 2711486 Totentänzerlied
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No ****, he's only been interpreted at least 1000 different ways in, what, 150 years? There is no "true" interpretation outside of Marx's and Engel's heads, and it died with them. Marx said "I am not a Marxist" and he meant it.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:01 | 2711977 CH1
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Have you ever read Marx?

Yeah, I have, and he's a sick, twisted son of a bitch.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 01:42 | 2713310 GoinFawr
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sorry CH1, the introduction by Wall St. toady and apologist David McLellan doesn't count.

http://books.google.ca/books/about/The_Communist_Manifesto.html?id=LqyRPwAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

But I'll humour you: seeing as you've purportedly spent so much time studying Marx perhaps you can point out what part of

this he supposedly got wrong?

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:35 | 2711521 Agent P
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"I am all for peaceful protests, but you attack the police and you get a bullet in a head. End of discussion."

Were they attacking the poilce?  The video appears to show multiple tear gas canisters fired at the crowd, which set the crowd running, with those running toward the police then being shot.  Obviously a one minute clip doesn't tell the whole story, but that's what I saw.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:40 | 2711536 Doode
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I clearly saw a group of people charging at the police.

 

Am really enjoying this sparring contest on the site as it tells me oodles about the audience on ZH - and it is not pretty. Though I did notice a suddle continous shift in the posts towards the type of audience that think my point is somehow odd. 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:46 | 2711576 Piranhanoia
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You need to consider medical help.  The kind where they work with your knob.  

It will give them a laugh and keep you off the streets for a long while.

 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:50 | 2711603 Hippocratic Oaf
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It's 'subtle'.

 

The uneducated with a keyboard.........now THAT'S dangerous!

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:56 | 2711647 James_Cole
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Don't feed the trolls, ZH already has enough of them..

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:59 | 2711669 Doode
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I have a mixed bag feeling about spelling posts - on one hand you are correct. On the other it adds no value since most people use Word these days to point out such discrepancies.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:03 | 2711697 Agent P
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Did you see the numerous tear gas canisters being fired?  Did you see anyone running at the police before those canisters were fired?  Did you see the smoke plumes from those canisters behind those running toward the police?  Maybe we have different video feeds.

 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:11 | 2711733 Doode
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Yes - and you point being? When the police fires anything at you it maybe be that they are sending you a "subtle" message that they do not want you to get any closer to them. Perhaps, no? So when the protesters charge towards the police, frankly for any reason, what do they expect - Gatorade? On my feed they looked like a pack of ravenous dogs attacking the police and they got what is really a normal response in this case - bullets.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:35 | 2711839 Agent P
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My point is they could have simply been running away from the tear gas (a natural reaction) vs. running at the police.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:38 | 2711854 Doode
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You make no sense.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:46 | 2711901 Agent P
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Let's say there's an axe murderer behind you and a queer in front of you...are you gay because you run in the direction of the queer? 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:49 | 2711911 Doode
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What if moon is made of cheese? I did not see anything behind those guys. Lets not get into ridiculous hypotheticals but use the facts at hand. They were clearly charging at the police in response to tear gas because they did not expect bullets - wrong!

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:00 | 2711970 Agent P
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Plumes of tear gas behind them, which according to you they should run toward.

Look, I actually agree with your general point that it's a bad idea to run at a line of guns...I'm just saying the video shows this may not have been the intent of those who were shot.  You're entitled to your opinion, as am I.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 19:23 | 2712611 Randall Cabot
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It looked like they were running from the tear gas behind them.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 09:47 | 2713898 Doode
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The commissioner, Riah Phiyega, described a desperate struggle by the police to contain the machete-wielding crowd of thousands of angry miners who broke through two lines of defense, leaving officers with no choice but to open fire with live ammunition. “The militant group stormed towards the police firing shots and wielding dangerous weapons,” Commissioner Phiyega said. Previous attempts by the 500-strong police force to repel them with rubber bullets, water cannons and stun grenades had failed, she said in an emotional news conference here. 

I sure am glad none of you are in charge of security. Observation skills are plain awful.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/18/world/africa/south-african-police-kill-30-striking-miners.html?pagewanted=all

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:50 | 2711257 flacon
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Doode's boss: "Doode, get back to work or I'll shoot you in the fucking head."

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:11 | 2712014 Catch-22
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“Oh, btw we’re out of fries again!!!  Can’t you even get that right… keep those burgers coming dumbass.”

 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 17:41 | 2712333 exi1ed0ne
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Welcome to Carl's Jr. Would you like to try our EXTRA BIG ASS TACO? Now with more MOLECULES!

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:18 | 2711268 Precious
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Go back to your Soros propaganda masters.  He can't scam ZH for $12.50 an hour.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:54 | 2711284 chet
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People who disagree with you should be shot?

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:58 | 2711308 Doode
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Of course not, if they just want to talk. But if they decide to argue by charging at me to physically intimidate me then yes - of course. Pretty sure all the gun totting free minded libertarians on the site would say the same. Read my comments carefully.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:00 | 2711324 chet
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"Hope they have done that with the Occupy in NYC more"

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:03 | 2711340 Doode
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There was violence at the camp site that was coasted by the police. I would def order rubber bullets in some cases. When they stormed police barricades or got into brawls with the police.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:11 | 2711387 chet
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Point out the rubber bullets in that video.

You seem to be under the impression that because you are a "free minded libertarian" that somehow state violence won't be directed at you. You are wrong. You gun nuts are the first those same police officers will come after. Ask Randy Weaver.

It's just a guess, but I'd put money on the fact that any 20-year-old hippie charging a barricade in NY showed a lot more balls than you ever have.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:19 | 2711441 Doode
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Well so does the LA gang member shooting AK in broad daylight - and your point being? Anarchy through violence will not stand - it is pointless to argue.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:25 | 2711472 chet
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In your mind, a political protester exercising her right to assemble is the same as a gang member shooting up the street?  Not sure what you think "libertarianism" is, but I think you have it wrong.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:29 | 2711493 Doode
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That was directed towards having more balls comments of yours.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:56 | 2711648 Hippocratic Oaf
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Look, asshole......

Don't know where you live, don't care. I live in NYC with my wife and kid. If you want to fuckin' come up here and be a back-drop for your so-well-educated opinion on how our finest handled the OWS situation and how you can improve the situation, I know a few boys in blue that would love to give you some assistance.

 

PRICK!

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:17 | 2711432 Precious
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STFU douchebag.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:29 | 2711811 Yen Cross
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 I'm tying to imagine doodes physical appearance. I'm guessing about 3 feet tall, with a 1 inch pecker.<>

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:31 | 2711826 TheFourthStooge-ing
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A garden gnome with a light switch below his belt.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:34 | 2711834 Doode
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I am enjoying this - please keep going!

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:38 | 2712104 Henry Hub
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People have often said that they can't understand how anyone could have accepted the job of driving the Jews into the gas chambers. How could anyone have been that inhuman? Well there always were "Doodes" and there still is. The world is run by psychopaths.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:58 | 2711964 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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Doode, your TSA uniform is ready for pick up,

it was a size 6 jack boot correct?

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:10 | 2711385 Dr. Engali
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Not that I agree with Occupy on all their ponits, but I think that's a little extreme on your part. Maybe these kids are a little pissed because the country has been sold out from under them and they didn't have anything to say about it. Maybe they are a little torqued off because the generation before them allowed the country to be hollowed out just so long as they got a little bit of the action.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:28 | 2711489 Doode
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Sure thing - most OWS were non-violent. But there were folks amongst that you can call professional rioters (extreme left wing) that caused most of the havoc. Those should have been pounced on.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:02 | 2711687 object_orient
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You can be sure those "professional rioters" were exactly that. Agent provocateur undercover cops. Standard practice.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:16 | 2711426 GeorgesamaBushLaden
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You call that justice, you mindless Nazi piece of shit??? It's sociopathic fucktards like you and the corporate/banking criminals (who share your attitude toward humanity) that have brought this world to the brink of ruin... Maybe some day, in the not-so-distant future, someone who's tired of shit from assholes like you, will shove a knife into your throat, as you cut in line at the soup kitchen. "One can only dream though."

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:26 | 2711478 Doode
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Thank you for your kind words!

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:47 | 2711585 GeorgesamaBushLaden
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"DHS gestapo have so far been unable to identify the foul-smelling homeless man found dead in a pool of blood, soup, excrement and sporting a shirt with DOODE in big bold letters; however, the majority of witnesses we spoke to say he 'deserved it'."

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:03 | 2711694 TSA gropee
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When you post such mindless compassionless drivel, except to be hammered. -1 for being a heartless prick.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:02 | 2711985 CH1
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Sure, they can and should work elsewhere, but you've been watching WAY too much Cop-Worship TV.

Throw the idiot box away.... really.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:11 | 2712010 cherokeepilot
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You are a MORON!!  Sig Heil!!

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 19:28 | 2712626 rex-lacrymarum
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It in fact rarely a good idea to charge the S' African police with machetes and knobkerries drawn. And don't think for a minute that if the police had stood meekly by they would not have been harmed - they most certainly would have. 

I have observed and been on the receiving end of violence in the country first hand - and I can attest that mercy is not a quality possessed by too many people there. This is why the police shoot first and ask questions later. It really IS dangerous when an incensed mob charges you. 

As an aside, many of the mine workers come from neighboring countries like Zimbabwe and Mocambique and actually earn multiples in SA of what they could earn at home. Miners actually have pretty decent salaries in S'Africa nowadays -whereby one must consider the purchasing power of money in the country as well as the overall level of worker remuneration, not the dollar amounts their salaries translate to. 

Funny enough, unions are politically extremely powerful -COSATU (the union umbrella organization) is in a political alliance with the governing ANC, as is the S' African Communist Party. The right to strike is well anchored in S'African law. However, both employers and workers have to hew to certain codes of conduct and proper procedures. Violence is frowned upon. 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:52 | 2711269 runlevel
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fucking sickening 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:05 | 2711352 quintago
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That's amazing footage. But what good is it if nothing not only changes, but it continues to get worse.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:06 | 2711357 Silver Bug
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Coming to a state near you!

 

http://uselections2012blog.blogspot.ca/

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:17 | 2711429 Gringo Viejo
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I know this sounds harsh....they were very brave men......but it looked like mass suicide to me.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:49 | 2711602 Piranhanoia
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that is one of the definitions of freedom.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:30 | 2711501 jal
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Live and learn from this example.

 

This is doomstead protection 101.

1. Hire mercenary

2. Herd unharmed starving hoard into a kill zone.

3. Kill all of the attackers.

 

OR 

Doomstead attack 101

 

1. Plan your attack and retreat to avoid being driven into a killzone.

2. Do not do a frontal attack against superior fire power.

 

 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:59 | 2711670 James_Cole
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Western Capitalism at its finest.

Xstrata sure has its hands full, their business strategy of "kill them all" seems to be working though. 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:04 | 2711987 CH1
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Don't be stupid, that had nothing to do with capitalism.

It's FASCISM.

Fri, 08/17/2012 - 01:58 | 2713316 GoinFawr
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...which is a direct consequence of unmitigated capitalism, amongst other things.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:56 | 2711950 Cortez the Killer
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Yes, it would have been much better if the savages over ran the police and killed them instead

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:25 | 2712060 defn8Dog
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The outcome when capital trumps labor. 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:30 | 2712076 Finite Supply
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And what would you have done if you were in that situation, dear sir?

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:38 | 2711204 camaro68ss
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coming to a town near you.

 

Work slaves work.....

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:53 | 2711273 SemperFord
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eye for an eye, learn to fire at 300-700 yards

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:10 | 2711383 A Nanny Moose
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An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. - Gandhi

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:15 | 2711416 SemperFord
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Makes no sense, if you don't fight back you are a slave IMHO

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 15:12 | 2711739 Freedom In Your...
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I understand that mind set, I think physical violence is their game though. We probably can't win by playing their game. Once the masters and their enforcers are ignored by everyone they lose all of their power. It is very possible for .gov to kill every person in the world 10x over. It is impossible for them to dictate everyday life and the actions we take and decisions we make. They can try to dictate who we buy our food from and what we can eat, but once enough people decide they have had enough and ignore them, there is nothing .gov will be able to do.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:44 | 2712135 Temporalist
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The Gandhi quote is not about not defending yourself it is about the limitless stupidity that humans will practice to get revenge for millennium old grievances which only perpetuate the stupidity.

A negative feedback loop of rationalization in violence which will only beget violence.

The quote is castigating the idea of violence for violence's sake.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:28 | 2711488 robertocarlos
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Fuck Gandhi! We have a bronze of him in our park. Think I'll go knock his fucking head off and sell it for the copper.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:38 | 2711205 machineh
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This is like a scene from the Sharpeville massacre in 1960.

Sad day for South Africa.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:40 | 2711214 camaro68ss
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These are what revolutions are made of

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:53 | 2711275 Jason T
Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:34 | 2712088 Finite Supply
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What color are most of the cops? Don't be a moron. There is nothing new here. This is the constant reality of Africa. If you don't like, go return the catalytic converter in your Camry you ignorant tree-hugger. You want to do business in Africa, this is the reality. Just because you saw this headline and someone captured video dont think this kind of violence isnt commonplace.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:39 | 2711210 buzzsaw99
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if you're gonna strike don't hang out down by the mine nomo bitchez [/free advice]

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:40 | 2711212 ThunderingTurd
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ORCL charged with an SEC violation and the stock is up 2%. I'm sorry, does anyone else find this funny?

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:43 | 2711226 buzzsaw99
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no

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:04 | 2711346 WTF_247
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It's up 2% because getting an SEC violation means you are doing an excellent job.  Look at the banks - they make 1 billion violating rules and get fined 100 mil.  It is VERY GOOD BUSINESS to violate the rules.  It means you are running the company right and maximizing profits and ROI.  Ellison will probably get more stock options from the board for being such a shrewd CEO.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:13 | 2711405 MachoMan
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Exactly.  That whole SEC violation thing can now free up cash that might have otherwise been accounted for with a war chest for legal defense/settlement...  well, all but maybe 1 or 2% of the spoils.  Regulators gotta eat too.  Less uncertainty = bullish.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 14:22 | 2711454 iDealMeat
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Yup..  Then he can pick up that last 2% of Lani

 

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 16:06 | 2711995 prodigious_idea
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ADD acting up?

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 13:42 | 2711221 Ras Bongo
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Coming soon to the USSA. Is case you were wondering why USGOV is buying truckloads of hollow point bullets...

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