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This will never get completed, ever. Why in the world would you spend $43 billion on high speed rail from LA to SF when you can hop on Southwest for $49? The litigation alone in California would be utterly mind boggling. Just to get an EIR for the whole line would take 30 years.
In a more realistic sidenote, there are market-driven plans for highspeed rail from LA to Las Vegas, two different companies are trying to create a party train so people can drink/gamble all the way to Vegas and back without suffering the congested weekend traffic. Now THAT is a sustainable rail project. The government should pay attention. God knows Amtrak proves they don't have a fucking clue as it is.
Just wait till the Coastal Commission gets involved; HAH!
Maybe they will set up concentration camps in Barstow for the final stop? In my best Ron Paul imitation, "more malinvestment".
It's worse than you know:
The first 'leg' to be built will run from just north of Fresno to Corcoran:
(For those of you not acquainted with California Geography: the only thing in Corcoran of any note, is a State Prison... I kid you not. At least conjugal visits will become more convenient...)
What a colossal waste of resources....fucking Corcoran!?! Really? Who dreams this shit up?
Corcoran is such a shithole that I-5 and the 99 go completely around it.
Someone did the same with tracks to Auschwitz no ?
Yes only Auschwitz was a worker camp not 'death camp' but I strongly doubt any1 in California has any interest in work camps, not even FEMA is touching California they know the people there are to 'entitled' to be used as slave labour
Yes only Auschwitz was a worker camp not 'death camp'
Yes only Auschwitz was a worker camp not 'death camp'
If you were in Germany, you would be arrested for that comment.
<If you were in Germany, you would be arrested for that comment.>
Thanks God, America won the WWII. We still have the Constitution in America. However, both Democrats and Republicans are both working very hard to get rid of things like Freedom of Speech. After all, their real masters, American banking oligarchs, hate free people.
They would rather rule in a fascist state than in a free society. Remember that American banking oligarchs have financed both NAZI and Bolshevik thugs.
How do they plan on this being used considering these kinds of mass transportation solutions need massive feeding transportations around the "nodes". People can't bring their SUV's onboard the trains...
So, pursuing this line of thinking, that would be about 877 MILLION flights that could be paid for by the government.
Seriously, would 877 million people want to make that trip? So that begs to question exactly how much a ticket on this brilliant train will cost?
Aren't there some IVY league economists out there that could explain the return on investment for this?
Kruggybear is busy fomenting war against Alien Barbarians
(Which is the classic "broken window fallacy" from Econ 101. Proving once and for all that Krugman is a fraud. He doesn't even know his basic economic theory. Bastiat shot holes through that theory 150 years ago, and Krugman shines it up and thinks its his)
I remember when the .gov took over the Mustang Ranch in Nevada. The lost money on it, every year. HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU LOSE FUCKING MONEY RUNNING A WHORE HOUSE? This should give you an idea of the level of institutional incompetence the .gov breeds, and promotes.
Perhaps they offered too much free trials to those well-connected.
WN will only stay $49 as long as their fuel hedges hold out and the petrodollar keeps steaming along.
You put ROW prices on fuel and you see how rail makes sense. I dunno about 43 fkin billion tho.
Yeah, and luckily high speed trains need almost no energy to run/sarc
They could use wind power. Giant sails. And solar. And seaweed. And run on-board nuclear plants by extracting the radiation blowing over from Japan. Or they could simply chain the massive prison population to the front of the train and have them pull them.
See? You're not thinking big enough. Just like Jerry said.
Yeah, thinking about it those lazy engineers should just get the solar powered airliner built, then all our problems are solved.
ALL ABOARD THE SAN ANDREAS CHOO-CHOO!!
Literally. The route will be essentially tracking the San Andreas and secondary faults.
I hope they make it out of this stuff.
Who wants to go from one shithole to another shithole that quickly anyway?
Agreed. This is no longer a country that can complete large-scale infrastructure projects -- even those that make sense, which this boondoggle does not.
We cannot even maintain existing infrastructure at levels needed to ensure public safety and threat resilience.
And were we to build this boondoggle -- which we can't and won't -- we wouldn't be able to maintain it, either. Imported Chinese coolies couldn't even get it done for us at this point.
But it sounds good and it's something to spend money on. It's a super-expensive version of the urine-soaked fugue state that is Amtrak. So the same morons associated with waste and decay of every stripe -- in Jerry Brown's case, literally the same moron -- keep running monorai! up the flag post.
Never happen. Not here.
Nobody uses public transportation in CA. Subway empty
Buses empty. POV baby sitting in traffic.
$49 B all for 2012 votes?! I've seen it all
Monorail might not suitable, but US REALLY NEED infrastructure improvements. Right now, US infrastructure suck! It have to pay four times what their Australian counterparts do to transfer goods to port. How can US compete with the world then? Check the following article.
The History Channel's "America's Crumbling Infrastructure" is an eye-opener.
The American Society of Civil Engineers’ infrastructure report card:
2009 GradesAviation DBridges CDams DDrinking Water D-Energy D+Hazardous Waste DInland Waterways D-Levees D-Public Parks and Recreation C-Rail C-Roads D-Schools DSolid Waste C+Transit DWastewater D-
America’s Infrastructure GPA: DEstimated 5 Year Investment Need: $2.2 Trillion
Obviously high speed monorail for those who need to travel at high speed betweem SF and LA deserves to be at the top of that list.
Who cares if it's "shovel ready" or not?
It's so much sexier than providing safe drinking water and waste disposal.
Conan O'Brien wrote this episode.
Had to figure that Jerry Brown couldn't come up with something this funny on his own. ;)
I know, it's my favorite one.
These old style politicans like Jerry Brown have no freaking clue how to live within a budget.
High speed rail is so last century. In America, we just sit back with a can of Bud and pray that peak oil won't happen.
At this point we're so fucked that actually sounds like a reasonable plan.
Cue the Guns and Fuckin' Roses.
Night Train Bitchez!!!
My favorite line from the song..."you can have anything you want, but you better not take it from me"...lol.
In less than five years, we will be lucky if there is a horse drawn stagecoach from LA to LV.
Who had the plan to coat the moon with yogurt?
Wells Fargo going back their "core business"
Nowdays, Wells Fargo business model would be stage coach hold-ups.
I heard on the radio today that Wells Fargo will be charging $3/mo on accounts that use debit cards. The zombie bank is starting a test program in the fall, in five states, to gauge consumer reaction:
I'm curious if the bank will have to inform people beforehand, or if it can just start charging it on the monthly statement (the way that phone companies often just automatically "opt" you in for services you didn't even want). It is called the "debit card activity fee."
I don't have any accounts with WF, but you people in those states listed in that article---eyes peeled.
i distinctly remember it from a giligan's island episode...yet another failed attempt to escape the island, and a firm wack on the head courtesy the skipper's hat. (if i remember correctly, the thing bubbles and boils its way to the bottom of the lagoon)
anyway, i think i remember seeing some ad for a hydrogen converter on some bizarre site...didn't think much of it at the time, but now it seems like a bargain at any price.
long the jetpack!
Mr. Hendrix, that was brilliant....
Peak Oil? Damn!!
What about the Las Vegas to LA route? Reid is supporting that as well. Bullet train with hookers on board, love it.
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