Monorail.... Monorail...Monorail...Is Coming To A Broke State Near You

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Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:17 | 1571092 sheeple
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Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:26 | 1571107 redpill
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This will never get completed, ever.  Why in the world would you spend $43 billion on high speed rail from LA to SF when you can hop on Southwest for $49?  The litigation alone in California would be utterly mind boggling.  Just to get an EIR for the whole line would take 30 years.


In a more realistic sidenote, there are market-driven plans for highspeed rail from LA to Las Vegas, two different companies are trying to create a party train so people can drink/gamble all the way to Vegas and back without suffering the congested weekend traffic.  Now THAT is a sustainable rail project.  The government should pay attention.  God knows Amtrak proves they don't have a fucking clue as it is.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:29 | 1571125 spiral_eyes
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Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:40 | 1571150 Smiley
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Just wait till the Coastal Commission gets involved; HAH!

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:44 | 1571164 FEDbuster
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Maybe they will set up concentration camps in Barstow for the final stop?  In my best Ron Paul imitation, "more malinvestment".

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:23 | 1571289 Pool Shark
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It's worse than you know:

The first 'leg' to be built will run from just north of Fresno to Corcoran:

(For those of you not acquainted with California Geography: the only thing in Corcoran of any note, is a State Prison... I kid you not. At least conjugal visits will become more convenient...)

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:44 | 1571463 A Nanny Moose
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What a colossal waste of resources....fucking Corcoran!?! Really? Who dreams this shit up?

Corcoran is such a shithole that I-5 and the 99 go completely around it.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 05:03 | 1571789 WhOracle
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Someone did the same with tracks to Auschwitz no ?

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 07:36 | 1571892 Azannoth
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Yes only Auschwitz was a worker camp not 'death camp' but I strongly doubt any1 in California has any interest in work camps, not even FEMA is touching California they know the people there are to 'entitled' to be used as slave labour

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 07:53 | 1571948 General Decline
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Yes only Auschwitz was a worker camp not 'death camp'


If you were in Germany, you would be arrested for that comment.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 11:39 | 1573233 caconhma
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<If you were in Germany, you would be arrested for that comment.>

Thanks God, America won the WWII. We still have the Constitution in America. However, both Democrats and Republicans are both working very hard to get rid of things like Freedom of Speech. After all, their real masters, American banking oligarchs, hate free people.

They would rather rule in a fascist state than in a free society. Remember that American banking oligarchs have financed both NAZI and Bolshevik thugs.


Thu, 08/18/2011 - 11:40 | 1573240 caconhma
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Thu, 08/18/2011 - 06:17 | 1571812 RollOver
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How do they plan on this being used considering these kinds of mass transportation solutions need massive feeding transportations around the "nodes". People can't bring their SUV's onboard the trains...

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:00 | 1571383 anti Oligarchy
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So, pursuing this line of thinking, that would be about 877 MILLION flights that could be paid for by the government.


Seriously, would 877 million people want to make that trip?  So that begs to question exactly how much a ticket on this brilliant train will cost?  


Aren't there some IVY league economists out there that could explain the return on investment for this?



Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:51 | 1571488 A Nanny Moose
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Kruggybear is busy fomenting war against Alien Barbarians

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 06:21 | 1571814 Popo
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(Which is the classic "broken window fallacy" from Econ 101.    Proving once and for all that Krugman is a fraud.  He doesn't even know his basic economic theory.  Bastiat shot holes through that theory 150 years ago, and Krugman shines it up and thinks its his)

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:12 | 1571410 RafterManFMJ
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I remember when the .gov took over the Mustang Ranch in Nevada. The lost money on it, every year. HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU LOSE FUCKING MONEY RUNNING A WHORE HOUSE? This should give you an idea of the level of institutional incompetence the .gov breeds, and promotes.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 01:23 | 1571632 reader2010
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Perhaps they offered too much free trials to those well-connected.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 01:06 | 1571614 trav7777
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WN will only stay $49 as long as their fuel hedges hold out and the petrodollar keeps steaming along.

You put ROW prices on fuel and you see how rail makes sense.  I dunno about 43 fkin billion tho.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 02:18 | 1571679 malek
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Yeah, and luckily high speed trains need almost no energy to run

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 05:56 | 1571804 jumblies
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They could use wind power. Giant sails. And solar. And seaweed. And run on-board nuclear plants by extracting the radiation blowing over from Japan. Or they could simply chain the massive prison population to the front of the train and have them pull them.

See? You're not thinking big enough. Just like Jerry said.

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 14:44 | 1578371 malek
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Yeah, thinking about it those lazy engineers should just get the solar powered airliner built, then all our problems are solved.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 02:24 | 1571672 OldPhart
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Literally.  The route will be essentially tracking the San Andreas and secondary faults. 

I hope they make it out of this stuff.

Who wants to go from one shithole to another shithole that quickly anyway?


Thu, 08/18/2011 - 08:59 | 1572177 Tidewater
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Agreed. This is no longer a country that can complete large-scale infrastructure projects -- even those that make sense, which this boondoggle does not.

We cannot even maintain existing infrastructure at levels needed to ensure public safety and threat resilience.

And were we to build this boondoggle -- which we can't and won't -- we wouldn't be able to maintain it, either. Imported Chinese coolies couldn't even get it done for us at this point.

But it sounds good and it's something to spend money on. It's a super-expensive version of the urine-soaked fugue state that is Amtrak. So the same morons associated with waste and decay of every stripe -- in Jerry Brown's case, literally the same moron -- keep running monorai! up the flag post.

Never happen. Not here.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:18 | 1571275 max2205
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Nobody uses public transportation in CA. Subway empty

Buses empty. POV baby sitting in traffic.

$49 B all for 2012 votes?! I've seen it all

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:43 | 1571466 MountainLotus
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Monorail might not suitable, but US REALLY NEED infrastructure improvements. Right now, US infrastructure suck! It have to pay four times what their Australian counterparts do to transfer goods to port.  How can US compete with the world then?  Check the following article.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 08:48 | 1571979 rwe2late
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The History Channel's "America's Crumbling Infrastructure" is an eye-opener.



The American Society of Civil Engineers’ infrastructure report card:

2009 Grades
Aviation D
Bridges C
Dams D
Drinking Water D-
Energy D+
Hazardous Waste D
Inland Waterways D-
Levees D-
Public Parks and Recreation C-
Rail C-
Roads D-
Schools D
Solid Waste C+
Transit D
Wastewater D-

America’s Infrastructure GPA: D
Estimated 5 Year Investment Need: $2.2 Trillion

 Obviously high speed monorail for those who need to travel at high speed betweem SF and LA deserves to be at the top of that list.

Who cares if it's "shovel ready" or not?

It's so much sexier than providing safe drinking water and waste disposal.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:18 | 1571095 speconomist
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Monorail Bitchez!!

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:40 | 1571152 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Conan O'Brien wrote this episode.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:26 | 1571293 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Had to figure that Jerry Brown couldn't come up with something this funny on his own. ;)

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 03:24 | 1571742 speconomist
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I know, it's my favorite one.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:19 | 1571097 JLee2027
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These old style politicans like Jerry Brown have no freaking clue how to live within a budget.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:24 | 1571111 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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High speed rail is so last century.  In America, we just sit back with a can of Bud and pray that peak oil won't happen.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:29 | 1571124 redpill
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At this point we're so fucked that actually sounds like a reasonable plan.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:30 | 1571126 spiral_eyes
Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:42 | 1571156 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Cue the Guns and Fuckin' Roses.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:47 | 1571173 nmewn
Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:16 | 1571271 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Fuckin' A!

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 01:54 | 1571654 Doyle Hargraves
Thu, 08/18/2011 - 06:26 | 1571818 nmewn
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My favorite line from the song..."you can have anything you want, but you better not take it from me"

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:49 | 1571185 FEDbuster
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In less than five years, we will be lucky if there is a horse drawn stagecoach from LA to LV. 

Who had the plan to coat the moon with yogurt?

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 22:14 | 1571261 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Um...Jimmy Carter?

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:45 | 1571473 SoCalBusted
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Wells Fargo going back their "core business"

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 02:16 | 1571676 OldPhart
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Nowdays, Wells Fargo business model would be stage coach hold-ups.

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 02:40 | 1571706 Keri at Bankste...
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I heard on the radio today that Wells Fargo will be charging $3/mo on accounts that use debit cards.  The zombie bank is starting a test program in the fall, in five states, to gauge consumer reaction:

I'm curious if the bank will have to inform people beforehand, or if it can just start charging it on the monthly statement (the way that phone companies often just automatically "opt" you in for services you didn't even want).  It is called the "debit card activity fee."

I don't have any accounts with WF, but you people in those states listed in that article---eyes peeled.


Sat, 02/18/2012 - 01:07 | 2172375 darkhorse222
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Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:58 | 1571210 janus
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jetpack, bitchez!

i distinctly remember it from a giligan's island episode...yet another failed attempt to escape the island, and a firm wack on the head courtesy the skipper's hat. (if i remember correctly, the thing bubbles and boils its way to the bottom of the lagoon)

anyway, i think i remember seeing some ad for a hydrogen converter on some bizarre site...didn't think much of it at the time, but now it seems like a bargain at any price.

long the jetpack!

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 23:55 | 1571510 Flakmeister
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Mr. Hendrix, that was brilliant....

Thu, 08/18/2011 - 01:08 | 1571617 sourgrapesson
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Peak Oil?  Damn!!

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 21:24 | 1571112 legal eagle
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What about the Las Vegas to LA route?  Reid is supporting that as well.  Bullet train with hookers on board, love it.

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