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Monorail.... Monorail...Monorail...Is Coming To A Broke State Near You
First Springfield.... Now California.
Unfortunately, we are not kidding: not even a day after Obama came pleading for more fiscal stimulus, and already California governor Jerry Brown is saying that the most insolvent state in America should proceed... with a high-speed rail project. Forget that China is in the process of shutting down 54 of its own: you see, this is precisely what California needs to give the optics it is the next Chinese miracle. Next up: 8% GDP growth, the expansion of BRIC to BRICC, a second, very much empty, Los Angeles built deep in the Mojave desert, toys covered in led paint, and a California wave of reverse fraudcap mergers. And as long as everyone pretends to go along with it, and sticks their head in the sand (following an AAAA ratings upgrade by Moodys and Fitch of course for solidarity's sake), this plan just may work....At a price of $43 billion, or just the notional amount of two average Treasury auctions.
From Sac Bee:
Gov. Jerry Brown said this afternoon that California's embattled high-speed rail project should move forward, despite growing criticism about the project's management and cost.
While the nation is in a "period of massive retrenchment," Brown told The Fresno Bee's editorial board, "I would like to be part of the group that gets America to think big again."
The Democratic governor has said little publicly about the project since it came under fire this year in Sacramento, with cost estimates rising and lawmakers questioning its oversight. The project, to connect San Francisco and Los Angeles, was once expected to cost about $43 billion, a figure the California High-Speed Rail Authority is expected to update this fall.
Brown said he is "really getting into" the project and that "we're working directly with the authority to get their act together."
He said he will appoint a commissioner to fill a vacant seat on the agency's governing board this week, though he declined to say who.
"I'm doing the best I can to keep this train running," Brown said.
And lest there is any doubt the governer is only partially insane, this should settle it.
The rail project is one of two major infrastructure projects on Brown's agenda. He said today that he will have a plan for the other project - a peripheral canal or other way to move water through or around the Delta - within a year.
Dear president Obama: you most certainly will not be needing best wishes in passing that Fiscal stimulus bill. A few more projects like this and it is a guaranteed slam dunk.
(and to all those E-trade babies, unemployed twitter daytraders and Jim Cramers whose eyes immediately lit up with hopes of going long the train, despite the sad case study of the Las Vegas iteration, it is mono, not momorail)
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lol, I'm sorry but the US of A sounds more and more the USSof R. I remember as a boy having taken Aeroflot from Tashkent to Moscow. In those days it was plain sailing, as on the Moscow metro!
I know, I know, In the US of A all central planned projects are worse than Kholkhoz shit. Just saying...they never had the KGB look down our asses to see if we were the sons of the CIA; in those cold war days.
We need high speed rail. But it won't save anything in the ponzi.
But we need it.
But not one line.
We need nationwide interconnection. Freight, raw materials, and passengers.
Of course you have to fix the system or else the idiots will make it 10x too expensive.
Also I haven't seen how good this high speed rail is. Is it mag lev? Is it wide enough for multiple mag lev trains? Is it going to be used for freight and raw materials? If the answer is no, then it's being done wrong.
So without knowing the specifics of this proposal, it seem a bit one off, probably small time, and slow for high speed....done during a time where the ponzi is still going. It won't help the ponzi, but if it were to be done right, it would help AFTER the ponzi collapsed.
But will it be done right?
Will it be like here in Phoenix? Where lots of decent/good mass transit plans were laid out, and failed every vote......then along came light rail....I vote against it because it sucks, even though mass transit is needed....because it's passenger only...top speed of ~35 mph, and really just one continuous line. So of course it passes. Doh.
Will this be bogus high speed passenger only stranded out all alone with no synergistic properties? Or will this be full on multiple lane mag lev nationwide in 10 years type of a plan? (we could do it in 5 if we wanted to). It won't help the ponzi, and my guess is it'll be the cheapo version.
Glass-Steagall
No infrastructure bank....that's a poor substitute for federal credit emission...via American Credit System. No need to give the bankster's a cut on platform infrastructure.
ok and i didnt read your whole post cause i prolly agree, you had me at galssteagal, but , so we need hi-speed rail but borden to corcoran???? cmon man!
no..no.. i think what we need is hi-speed death to bankers and politicians.
Can you get mono from going on the monorail?
I think I'll stick with the duorail.
Hgh speed rail? I thought Jerry would build a "Bridge To Nowhere."
Once 'serious people' realize this is another money drain. It is onto 'magnet rails'. Magnets fucking float. Add some propulsion and...
Everytime our central planners get enthusiastic about rail cars I know what the Jews must have felt.
The UN's Agenda 21 also calls for rail lines connecting massively concentrated, vertically built, human living zones on America's coasts. They shall bypass the human off limit zones, which are to comprise about 90% of the USA, after the humans are moved off those areas. High speed rail dovetails with the depopulation and compulsory mass migration plans.
The world is burning and they insist on moving forward with insanity.
SF to LA is 350 miles. That's a pretty easy 2 day bicycle trip. Instead of $43b spent $43m on a kick ass spa, hotel, and bike valet at the mid point.
The true cost of this boondogle will be well north of $50 Billion, more like $100 Billion and counting.
This whole thing reminds me of a old TV show, late 70's or early 80's, on NBC called "Super Train".
It was a TV series on an Atomic Powered train that ran from NY to LA. Well here we now have the real life version except it's from LA to San Francisco. Life imitating Art!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can completely get behind the whole Monorail thing,
It is a Barrack Obama monorail train, so it goes 350MPH right?
Seattle to Miami,LA to Manhattan,
Barry is going back to the Chicago soup kitchen gig soon,i think.
and all this money is Bernakster pretendo cash,
If we get one thing out of Obama, let it be a monorail system that rocks titties.
I want to go through the rockies doing 300 mph on a mag lev train,
that would be cool.
Fake cash anyway, we are doomed because the maths say's we are,
but if Barry builds a railroad, I hope it will; be a Socialist railroad with a couple of freight cars on the back for the Hobo's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3QlXk8Ex4Q
I hope Ernest Borgnine will be in the caboose,Lee Marvin a few cars down with a smoke and a bottle.
Fuck yeah, Monorail,
We are crackheads at the mall with a stolen credit card,
get some free shit.
'Soon we will all have our special little monorail names'
Yes, my monorail name will be Sir Frank C Jizzzbubble the 3rd.
And you will be?
Pretty sure, by the time this boon-doggle connects to something, I will be beyond OldPhart...just call me 'Dessicated Corpse'.
I sort of make it up as I go along
Always worth reminding ourselves of the timeless brilliance The Simpsons served up. My thrid and probably most important parent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eih67rlGNhU
Bing Crosby.
It's probably better the USA has no high speed rail. It makes becoming a third world nation that much easier. I'm sure we could have put up and entire grid and put subways in every city for the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess the cartoon was funny though. The jokes on USa.
What else would union thugs have to do if it weren't for public fuckall projects? Bitch on blogs maybe?
Geo Vladistock hardest hit.
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OK - what is the total capital cost of the planes used to service this route ? , and how much kerosene is burned ?
It looks like the perfect distance for high speed rail - short range planes burn a shit load of fuel to reach their ceiling before decending again.
Not sure about monorail - its best to stick to cheaper more convential SNCF like trains - they work in France for some reason.
I sense a lack of ability to plan & build large scale infrastructure projects in the states.
Yep. We can't build them. Now fuck off to your own socialist debthole.
You silly boy - in a Gold standard world , America could not afford to fly or drive.
The built envoirment in America and indeed Europe is a product of the dollar / oil standard since the end of the first world war.
100 years of monetory malice has clouded your poltical understanding.
The John Birch society has fucked your mind real good.
Up is down and left is right to you I guess.
I feel sorry for your dumb ass.
Even worse is the high speed rail in Connecticut from Springfield MA to New Haven. There is already a railroad there that noone rides and the solution is to build a more expensive high speed line to travel a short distance. Make sense?? At the same time the state can't afford existing rail and is cutting the subsidies.
The project is estimated at $1B for a short ~50 miles. Cost likely to increase significantly. So far only a boondogle for consultants. Gov't bureaucrats spend their days going to numerous planning meetings. CO2 reduction is likely one excuse for doing it.
"I would like to be part of the group that gets America to think big again."
sorry Jerry too late, time for america to get small.
time to saddle up a capybara.
The problem (with most policy makers) is that they think big and use words that sound nice and ideal, but when it comes down to actual details and implementation it's all ass backwards.
We need new innovative transportation means, but building a high speed rail from LA to SF is not the answer. Nor is government providing the answer or even apple building an underwater tunnel to its new UFO headquarters.
This is the problem we find ourselves in-- needs, but no real means of satisfying them.