Moody's Downgrade Of French Banks Imminent, Risk Waterfall To Follow?

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Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:17 | 1655277 TradingJoe
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Got VXX calls!? :)))

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:24 | 1655294 Ahmeexnal
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Don't forget to put your shorts on. Triple shorts with FAZ.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:33 | 1655321 scatterbrains
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what's wrong  with DRV ?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 20:03 | 1655365 cosmictrainwreck
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interesting......... but (so far) VXX, FAZ, TZA out-perform. I didn't even bother comparing TVIX - in a class of it's own

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 23:04 | 1655489 HyperLazy
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DRV has potential but it is limited since a fair volume of real estate is Marked to Magic and sheltered by a banker stasis field. However, once the banks are dead and their holdings are released then its game on. If there is an economy left...

Edit: In regards to VXX, quoting my immaculate self -

Disclosure: I doubt I will pick up VXX again. Barclays is the instutition behind VXX and VXZ. These are non-secured ETN instruments. Don't get caught holding the bag.

To which a reply was posted -


I agree. DO NOT BUY VXX and hold even overnight. It has a big problem with decay AND it is a Barclays etn which means it is only as reliable as Barclays solvency... I have no inside scoop or anything, just what I read and see, and the experience of having been a sucker and held vxx last year...



Sat, 09/10/2011 - 23:09 | 1655598 DCFusor
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I've found VXX to be a good short-term short right after a big spike.  The fear-adrenaline wears off after a few hours, for a few hours.  There's a nice little window in there you can make money off in a trade, often as not.  Decay helps you if you get stuck in it.  Great way to play a dead cat bounce in the market.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 23:42 | 1655646 DeadFred
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An ignorant question I've wondered about is somewhat related. What happens if you hold a put on an iffy stock (VXX, GLD, BAC etc.) and they go bankrupt? Does your put go to maximum value or does it enter some untradable purgatory?

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 01:44 | 1655768 Smithovsky
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you can retire

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:11 | 1655260 LookingWithAmazement
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In case, there will be a lifeline for the French banks, just as the G7 or the central banksters recently announced. No Armageddon. I'm even not eating popcorn anymore, I just ignore all the news and do useful things.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:17 | 1655278 Hephasteus
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Yes. Japan will provide money that's not locked up in old japanese peoples safes as well as fresh food and drinking water and assist with electricity that doesn't brown out.

France will bring treasure maps to gaddafi's gold.

Us will have haliburton fuck up the entire mediteranean with toxic chemicals.

England will bring 50 EU cop thugs to strip search people.

It's going to be a really healthy really healing situation. Just watch.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 20:53 | 1655455 TwelfthVulture
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It's looking like it's almost the BOJ's turn to buy Yen hand over fist again.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 21:01 | 1655468 LookingWithAmazement
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To print & dump yens, you mean. Do the SNB. Japan wants one thing: a crashing yen.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 21:27 | 1655482 TwelfthVulture
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No, I meant buy, but I can see your confusion there.

We all agree that ALL central banks are in collusion together.  They have to be for the system to function.

I think from your post that we can also agree that every currency is now in a race to the bottom.

But think like a banker where debts are assets and cash (deposits) are a liability.  Even in a race to the bottom, some one is lagging (i.e. stronger) while some one is leading (i.e., weaker).  The weakness right now is in the Eurozone, the weakness to come (post QE3) will be the US, so the strength must be ... the Yen.  They won't (can't) tank the Yen until AFTER the weakness plays out in the Eurozone (and quite possibly the US), then they will print & dump.  But for now, the BOJ needs be by necessity the garbage collector.

*Remember they're working together.  It's not BOJ v ECB v FED.  It's central banks v the rest of us.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 23:49 | 1655659 DeadFred
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The front-runner in the least ugly contest is currently the dollar. Who would have thought it, buck teeth, zits and obese yet the darling of the ball. But the interview and talent portions of the contest are yet to come!

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 00:57 | 1655741 Manthong
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Don't forget the B.O.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 08:40 | 1655916 Bendromeda Strain
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Yes of course - funny round wingnut ears also...

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 10:09 | 1655989 TwelfthVulture
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I don't know about that.  Look at the 5 year chart.  The Yen and the Swiss Franc have been the place for smart money to be.  2007: ¥100=$0.8, today $1.2.  Today, the Yen buys about half as much gold as it did in 2007, same as the Franc.  The dollar and the other major currencies buy a third.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 10:52 | 1656035 DeadFred
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But I'm a very shallow individual and my attention span is not that long.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:43 | 1655338 SMG
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You might be right, but Armageddon will not be postponed forever.   It will come one day or tommorow.   But it is coming. And then hopefully a new a better world.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 23:39 | 1655639 FearedDevil
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Armageddon: A dramatic and catastrophic conflict, typically seen as likely to destroy the world or the human race.


I do not think that means you get to be around to see the new better world.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 06:34 | 1655859 MsCreant
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But the roaches just looove what we have done with the place (especially the new radiation reveling, plastic eating variety!)!

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 05:07 | 1655838 Snidley Whipsnae
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"And then hopefully a new a better world."

All things not maintained tend to chaos...

For instance, the population of Germany, after losind WW1 and being subjected to huge reparations payments, suffering through hyperinflation and then a grinding depression, were hopeful that the arrival of Hitler on the scene would improve their lot... and Hitler did for a time... then came a level of chaos that made what went before look tame.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that the destruction of the status quo will result in a 'new and better world'...

Even though we are all hopeful of that outcome.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 20:33 | 1655415 knukles
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I've been trying to do that too, but got raw.  So back to intellectual manipulations, snarks and cynicism.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 23:24 | 1655615 snowball777
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Sun, 09/11/2011 - 03:05 | 1655789 Roger Knights
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"In case, there will be a lifeline for the French banks, ..."

One of these days the lifeline will pull down the rescuer.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 07:38 | 1655885 Smiddywesson
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Agreed, we didn't kick the can all this way to simply stop and behave rationally.  This is all about delay and gold acquisition.  There won't be any major developments as long as TPTB want to delay.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:14 | 1655268 dumpster
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these are confidental talks ... lol  but some people will squeal as long as you not name us ..

as the case may or may not be 

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:45 | 1655341 MsCreant
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PIIGS squeal?

Or bankster piggies?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 23:24 | 1655617 snowball777
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It's just escaping gases.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 23:42 | 1655643 Yen Cross
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PiiGs are great on Discovery channel! Myth Busters!

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:14 | 1655269 The Deleuzian
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I don't know about the rest of you guys out there... but pretty soon an apathetic, seen this before, diluted, the new normal type attitude will set in for many...

But even stepping an inch back and looking up scares the shit out of me!!!

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:34 | 1655319 Lord Welligton
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But even stepping an inch back and looking up scares the shit out of me



And so it should. The new normal is not a place you want your mother or sister to live in.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 20:26 | 1655405 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, this whole New Normal meme is scary...

+ another 1, even if it's not working Lord W.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 21:17 | 1655486 Lord Welligton
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another 1


Oh No Not Another One.

Oh No Not Another One.



Sat, 09/10/2011 - 23:51 | 1655636 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ $1860 and green, except green STILL not working for you.

GREAT Song!  I even went and took a look around at some of his other stuff there at YouTube.  This guy was one of the best.

Thanks for sharing that!  Soon as I have an excuse, I will put one of his songs up there on my blog.  Treasures like that must be shared.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 21:40 | 1655504 dwdollar
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They don't call it a depression for nothing.  A real depression isn't phony GDP numbers which show umpteen quarters of whatever growth.  It is a society which has given up.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 09:01 | 1655933 knukles
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By numerous conversations of late with regular, ordinary non-ZH'ers, "Normies" if you will, it is devolving to exactly that.... giving up.  Anger and frustration giving way to morose sadness, helplessness.  It's gonna get mega fucking depressing, this depression.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 05:19 | 1655841 Snidley Whipsnae
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"the new normal type attitude will set in for many..." But the new normal is not set in stone and is getting 'worse' daily when compared to the 'old normal' of 40 years ago...

Hence, the comparison to a slow motion train wreck. What happens slowly allows us time to mentaly adjust... even if we do not like the new normal.

If all that has happened since 2000 were compressed into a couple of days most of the world would be in total shock, and many would never recover; instead, they would find mental relief in creating a delusion to live in.

Or, is that what some have already done and others are working on?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:15 | 1655273 TradingJoe
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It looks like QE3-people will have a make or brake next week! If they still believe in SantaBen then it hasto happen this coming week, otherwise bye bye QEsomething! If not, next week, after the the FEDsters have NOTHING TO ANNOUNCE the BIG DOWN will commence, I somehow doubt this will be let to happpen by SantaBen, my take is THIS coming WEEK IS IT! TIme is of the essence and they have none left, primaries are around the corne too, by now everybody and their mommies know the bad news to come, and no, it's not "priced in", YET!

Buckle Up, hold your PMs and whatever puts you had the balls to get into and enjoy IT!

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:31 | 1655318 Landrew
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I am holding BAC puts but, I never have the balls to just hold while there are profits to take. The only way I don't settle for a single is if overnight kills the equity. I was holding Lehman when overnight it died, otherwise I would have sold it for a single instead of the home run! No balls here.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:57 | 1655361 TwelfthVulture
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May Buffett lose shitloads money before your puts expire.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 20:35 | 1655408 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Landrew

Consider selling half your puts, and let the rest ride!  Then you are not on the hook for much if things go against you.

Good move buying BAC puts, H/T.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 07:44 | 1655888 Smiddywesson
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Yes, sell down to the sleeping point. That is always good advice.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 23:26 | 1655620 snowball777
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Courage, man. You can doooo it!

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:34 | 1655322 DeadFred
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So what are the chances they're doing yet another head fake trip, get everyone to go short with a planted or badly timed article or two then the rabbit comes out of the hat a sharp rally and they harvest all the shorts. I'm not saying I don't believe the party line here but banksters will do what's in their nature to do.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:44 | 1655339 TwelfthVulture
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I hear what you're saying Fred, I just don't know what that rabbit will look like?   Short of finding a unicorn that does shit gold shittles out its ass, I can't imagine what the impetus for a rally here could be.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 20:05 | 1655367 Captain Benny
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Maybe they found a real living leprechaun and are now stealing his gold... thats about the only thing I can see them pulling out of a hat able to solve these debt issues.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 20:27 | 1655407 spanish inquisition
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Bubbles are about to go parabolic.

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