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Moody's Downgrades Japan From Aa2 To Aa3

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What was that word Freud used when you are a weak, pathetic, corrupt, powerless, piece of anachronistic filth and instead of doing the right thing (for fear of losing your job or worse), you lash out at a weaker and irrelevant substitute? Oh yes, projection.

Moody's lowers Japan's government rating to Aa3; outlook stable
Singapore, August 24, 2011 -- Moody's Investors Service today lowered the Government of Japan's rating to Aa3 from Aa2, concluding the rating review that began on May 31. The outlook is stable.
The rating downgrade is prompted by large budget deficits and the build-up in Japanese government debt since the 2009 global recession. Several factors make it difficult for Japan to slow the growth of debt-to-GDP and thus drive this rating action.
Over the past five years, frequent changes in administrations have prevented the government from implementing long-term economic and fiscal strategies into effective and durable policies. The March 11 earthquake and tsunami, and the subsequent disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station, have delayed recovery from the 2009 global recession and aggravated deflationary conditions. Prospects for economic growth are weak, making it more difficult for the government to achieve deficit reduction targets and implement its Comprehensive Tax and Social Security Reform plan.
Support for the stable outlook comes from the undiminished home bias of Japanese investors and their preference for government bonds, which allows the government's fiscal deficits to be funded at the lowest nominal rates globally. We believe that this funding cost advantage will be sustained by considerable institutional and structural strengths, which will prevail even with large budget deficits in 2011 and 2012.
The rating action does not affect the Aaa country and bank deposit ceilings, the outlooks for which remain stable. Those ceilings act as a cap on ratings that can be assigned to the obligations of other entities domiciled in the country. Japan's short-term rating is unaffected and remains unchanged at P-1.
The global financial crisis has had a severe effect on Japan's economy.

The current government now forecasts a primary budget surplus (excluding interest payments on government liabilities) by 2020, versus the former Koizumi government's target of a budget surplus by 2012. Headline general government budget deficits will remain approximately at or above 7% of GDP through 2015, according to the Cabinet Office's "prudent" projection, well exceeding nominal GDP growth rates and thereby contributing to the inexorable rise in the debt-to-GDP ratio.
Large deficits and the collapse of growth since the early 1990s have led to an overhang of government debt that is by far the largest among the major advanced economies. That assessment holds true based on either the International Monetary Fund's (IMF) 2011 projection of 233% of GDP or the Cabinet Office's projection of 181% (the IMF has a broader accounting definition). Moreover, neither the IMF nor the Cabinet Office foresees containing or reducing the debt burden over the next decade under the current policy framework.
The March earthquake and nuclear disaster may make it difficult for the government to stay under its JPY44 trillion annual budget borrowing ceiling (which excludes special reconstruction bonds) in the current or next fiscal year, though the government's new Medium-Term Fiscal Framework for 2012-14 repeats its commitment to adhering to that target.
The government estimates that the total fiscal cost will be 5% of the current year's GDP, but that will be spread over 10 years.
The March earthquake also undermined Japan's recovery from the 2009 global recession. Consumer spending has softened further and deflationary pressures have intensified. Also, the strength of future investment growth is more uncertain even though supply chain disruptions are normalizing. This is because power capacity will be reduced from the loss or suspension of supply from nuclear power plants in Fukushima and elsewhere in the country. Japan's economy has been in recession for three consecutive quarters from October 2010 through June 2011.
In particular, the consequences of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station disaster have not fully played out, and it is not yet possible to precisely quantify its impact. The government may be exposed to contingent liabilities even after it establishes a special compensation entity that places the burden on the nuclear power industry. Furthermore, reductions in the national power supply from a crippled and suspect nuclear power sector would intensify headwinds against economic growth.
These developments further hamper the economy's ability to achieve a growth rate strong enough to steadily reduce the budget deficit. Although the government and ruling party unveiled a comprehensive fiscal reform plan on June 30, which identifies a broad range of measures to be taken, it lacks precision. In addition, a divided Diet and tensions within the ruling Democratic Party of Japan risk both the timing and implementation of the reform plan. Indeed, the imminent change in the party's presidency and the election of a new prime minister reflect the factious nature of the country's politics.
While the government sees as feasible its medium-term policy target of a halving of the primary budget deficit (excluding interest payments) to approximately 3% of GDP by 2015, assuming the government doubles the consumption tax to 10% by the middle of the decade, its ultimate goal of achieving a primary surplus by 2020 would require additional, and yet unidentified, fiscal measures. Moreover, even under the government's more vigorous and optimistic economic growth scenario, a decline in the debt-burden trajectory would remain elusive.
Japan's very large economy and very deep financial markets provide the wherewithal to absorb economic shocks. Its dependable domestic funding base provides an exceptional home bias for the government, which can fund itself at a lower nominal cost than any other advanced economy.

Furthermore, throughout the global financial crisis, in the months after the March earthquake, and in recent days with renewed turmoil in global markets, JGBs continue to demonstrate exceptionally strong safe-haven features.
Related to Japan's home bias is its strong external payments position, which insulates the country from global financial market shocks. In addition to a seemingly structural current account surplus on the balance of payments, its net international investment position at more than 50% of GDP is the largest of any industrialized advanced country, and is almost twice as large as that of Germany. In fact, net income receipts from overseas assets provide a bigger contribution to the current account surplus than the trade balance.
The steady appreciation of the yen to post-war highs is a headwind against export competitiveness, although the lack of price and wage inflation in Japan somewhat offsets this effect. Even if exports falter as a source of economic growth, we expect Japan's external position will retain its strengths.
And although the government's June 30 Comprehensive Tax and Social Security Reform plan is not fully worked out, it will help to sustain market confidence if, in the not-too-distant future, the government executes policies on a timely basis and economic growth recovers to support the fiscal adjustment process.
Credit-positive factors that could lead to a positive ratings outlook and could eventually lead to a ratings upgrade:
1. Well-established progress in achieving fiscal consolidation targets
2. A robust and sustainable recovery from the recession
Credit-negative factors that could lead to a negative ratings outlook or prompt a ratings downgrade include:
1. A delay in implementing the comprehensive tax and social security reform plan
2. The economy's inability to recover from the lingering effects of the global recession and the ongoing consequences of the March earthquake, tsunami and nuclear power plant disaster
3. A diminished home bias in the government bond market or substantial erosion in Japan's external strengths, which at some point would cause the market to price in a risk premium to government debt, making sizable annual refinancing requirements significantly more costly
The last rating action on the Government of Japan was on May 31, when its government bond ratings were placed on review for downgrade.
The principal methodology used in this rating was Sovereign Bond Ratings published in September 2008. Please see the Credit Policy page on for a copy of this methodology.
Press releases of other ratings affected by this action will follow separately.


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Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:30 | 1592607 mynhair
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Race to the bottom, bitchez!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:49 | 1592689 spiral_eyes
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"The current government now forecasts a primary budget surplus (excluding interest payments on government liabilities) by 2020, versus the former Koizumi government's target of a budget surplus by 2012."

US govt budget surplus by 2077, bitchez! 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:52 | 1592701 AldousHuxley
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well played Buffett to do it using Moody's. As long as US has higher rating than all others, despite the absolute rating, US will preserve reserve status. Now waiting for European soverign (France, Germany, + UK) debt down grades....perhaps after Greek default.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:42 | 1592814 The Fonz...befo...
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Well said sir...

As for

Ol Warren he now sleeps easy knowing he will never get audited for the rest of his days....

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:58 | 1592841 Thomas
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Fire the CEO and install Andy Fastow in his place.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:25 | 1593178 zorba THE GREEK
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Moody's downgrades Japan. But isn't Japan the model that the U.S. is using?

The U.S. is now following in Japan's footsteps by not writing off bad debts, keeping 

interest rates artificially low, and working hard to debase their currency.

If U.S. is AAA then Japan must be AAA too. Moody's must be confused.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:08 | 1593427 ping
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I used to operate a rating system similar to this with my ex.

Every time she wouldn't take the dog for a walk I'd give her a minus point. Then she'd give me 2 minus points for emotional blackmail and dog-based chastisement. Then I'd give her 3 minus points for not making the dinner that time I had a bad cold, as well as interest on still not walking the dog, the outlook of which was cause for concern. Then she'd mark me down for passive aggressive girlfriend cruelty and inaccurate ratings. I'd respond with a reasonable, fact-based assessment, and mark her down for toxic co-dependency and unshaved legs. She'd subtract points for unkempt eyebrows and a stray nostril hair, just poking far enough out to drive her nuts. We got to negative million in about five minutes.

Unless America and Japan start tickling one another fast, shit is going to get real.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:33 | 1593576 thx111
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You are right.

If Japan is not AAA as US, why has JPY getting stronger over past 30 years. 

If Japan is in such a bad shape, they should sell all their US bonds they own ( $100-1,000 billion? who knows how much.). 


Every time Japanese gov. spends Japanese tax payer's money and buy US$ to intervine the USDJPY currency rate, they use that US$ to puchase US bonds. 

which means

Japanese gov. currency interventionhard= Hard working Japanese tax payer's money invested in US bond. 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:50 | 1592694 hambone
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Moody's, S&P, Fitch have it all wrong.  It's not nations or companies that should be downgraded...but certain segments of societies that do not control the monetary or fiscal policies.  Seem the ratings agencies should  simply downgraded the poor and middle and upper middle class of the world to junk given the tax obligations and inflation burden they must bear to maintain the status quo for the top 1%. 

No lobbyists in your employ should earn you an immediate junk status!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:32 | 1592614 kengland
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CEO resignation to follow. On a seperate note....LIBOR RISING

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:59 | 1592726 hambone
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LIBOR soon to be double the 2yr T???  .4 vs. .2%???  Ummm, that seems odd.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:31 | 1592615 Seasmoke
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looks like someone is going to be replaced with a Japaneese banker

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:32 | 1592617 unwashedmass
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let me slap you three times with a wet noodle, Japan....


what a crock...they don't have the balls to do the they turn, and O WHAT COURAGE....downgrade, hold my heart....Aa3....

take that Japan!!!! take that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


another serious profile in courage...jesus, we are screwed.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:03 | 1592854 Bring the Gold
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I can't believe you were junked that post was a thing of beauty especially the "Profiles in Courage" part lmao! +1

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:39 | 1592948 Bunker Boy
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Very true. Kicking a country when it is down, out, and radiating at the mouth. Moody's knows which side of the bread gets the butter.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:32 | 1592618 unwashedmass
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let me slap you three times with a wet noodle, Japan....


what a crock...they don't have the balls to do the they turn, and O WHAT COURAGE....downgrade, hold my heart....Aa3....

take that Japan!!!! take that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


another serious profile in courage...jesus, we are screwed.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:32 | 1592619 speconomist
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Let me guess... Bullish for yen?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:32 | 1592621 buzzsaw99
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Moody's, what a bad joke.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:58 | 1592720 WestVillageIdiot
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"What do men like on a piece of pie that they don't like on a piece of pussy?"


Now, that's a bad joke.  To call Moodys a bad joke is an insult to every bad joke ever told. 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:59 | 1592844 Thomas
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Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:33 | 1592624 unwashedmass
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note...the Japanese are so terrified, the yen is getting stronger......sort of says it all, doesn't it?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:35 | 1592631 mynhair
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Huh?  It's good for a 2 hr pop on USDJPY!  Dive in!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:55 | 1592711 Cdad
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It almost certainly sets up for some dollar strength in the short term...even though, as Tyler points out, the basis for the call is undermined by the hypocrisy of the call.

Perhaps Moody's also needs to lose its CEO all of a sudden like.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:34 | 1592625 Sequitur
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If Japan is Aa3, how in the fuck can USA be Aaa.

Also, what horseshit these ratings are. Aa3, Aa, A -- vapid letters so that bankrupt governments and corporates can have an "A" in front of their name, and Moody's can continue to earn fees slapping a worthless "A" on their shit paper. Fuck the rating agencies.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:36 | 1592634 hambone
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You sir have vented well.  Thank you for sharing what we all feel.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:44 | 1592673 fyrebird
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Okay, just for that I'm downgrading you to Aa-

On negative watch.

Now you better buy me a beer or else.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:00 | 1592730 WestVillageIdiot
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A beer?  Are you kidding?  For such a great ratings job you usually get a Lamborghini or a pad out in The Hamptons.  You are asking for a beer?  Fucking rookie. 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:05 | 1592744 hambone
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Olde English 40 (w/ optional brown bag) on the way...atta boy.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:56 | 1592714 AldousHuxley
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USA is an empire with fiat currency backed by oil from Saudi + Iraq + soon Iran.

Japan is an ex-empire with fiat currency backed by US military.



Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:58 | 1592722 cowdiddly
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The only reason that you have a ratings agency is so you can overrate some piece of shit to a sucker. The market will tell you what it is worth by demanding more or less interest.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:34 | 1592626 speconomist
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On other news hurricane upgraded to AAA+

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:35 | 1592629 SRV - ES339
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A "wing and a prayer" I know, but wouldn't it be nice if this act was setting the stage for Moody's to do the right thing... and downgrade the US.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:07 | 1592863 Bring the Gold
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Oh man I laughed so hard. The dead pan deliver the earnestness. Well played sir.


Wait you WERE joking right? The Shill of Omaha won't be biting Uncle "sweet heart deal" Sugar's hand any time soon.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:35 | 1592632 speconomist
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How can Japan have lower rating than US if they hold $1 trillion of US bonds??? They could sell them before defaulting!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:38 | 1592645 hambone
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Shhhh...don't try and bring logic to a worldwide bullshit party.  Best to just drink the shots and go along like everybody else.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:42 | 1592663 Sequitur
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You sir, just hit it out of the park. The entire system is utter shit. Total, utter, unmitigated BULLSHIT.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:48 | 1592690 fyrebird
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Like this: Because anyone holding $1T in US bonds and having no nuclear weapons of their own is toast.

Or something like that.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:13 | 1592764 Kayman
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Don't count on Japan not having nukes.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:40 | 1592812 magpie
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well, no one else bothers piling up plutonium on top of reactors

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:36 | 1592635 King_of_simpletons
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Moody's == Corrupt.

USA == AAAAA++++++++

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:38 | 1592636 lolmao500
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People flee on the yen as safe heaven (nuclear safe heaven) and it rises... the japanese banks are less in trouble than the US banks... the japanese people are saving money while America is hooked on credit... while the US economy is a big ponzi scheme, the government is corrupt to the bone and the fed is run by madmen... and JAPAN gets downgraded? Mwahahahaha

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:37 | 1592640 Rogier
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I still rate sushi AAA.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:42 | 1592667 Fedophile
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Just as long as it didn't come from the Gulf Coast or Fukushima.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:40 | 1592653 doomandbloom
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why is Roubini so keen to start a fight with Tyler......? keeps irritating all the time on Twitter...

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:41 | 1592654 fyrebird
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you are a weak, pathetic, corrupt, powerless, piece of anacrhonistic filth

Dude. I thought we were buds. So no Burning Man this year?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:34 | 1592923 Abitdodgie
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I hope so i got my ticket and car packed !

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 00:12 | 1593720 fyrebird
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Bragger. I'd wish you a happy trip and days on the playa ... except that I cannot but help hating you for your good fortune.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:40 | 1592655 Lone Deranger
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Just in time for the delivery of the new 787 Dreamliners to ANA. 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:41 | 1592658 Sathington Willougby
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Do I look fat in this debt?


"And if she says something's not funny, you better not be laughing your ass off" - HJS

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:41 | 1592659 jkruffin
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So, Gold 2000 by Friday right?  That's about the way I see it happening...

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:48 | 1592687 magpie
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Only if Mrs Watanabe has nothing else to buy

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:41 | 1592662 mfoste1
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sellout pieces of shit.........

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:44 | 1592665 mynhair
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So much for the USDJPY pop.  Guess US is screwed.  Buy NFLX!

Looks like the USD collapse is in the Bernank's face.

QE this !. you bald headed MF!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:42 | 1592668 topcallingtroll
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Wake me up when spain is speculative.

Of course now that I think about it by the time an agency dropped any european country so far the place would have already been a smoking ruin three years earlier.

Guess I better stay awake

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:46 | 1592680 mynhair
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Here, have a doobie, and check Ecuador.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:43 | 1592670 Marcuz Aurelius
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This is some heavy powerplay there ! it's like a instrument with strings slowly dismembering the country with it's harmonics.


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:44 | 1592674 freethinker4now
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Leave my Gold alone you Fiend!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:45 | 1592677 chump666
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GOOD! Now S&P downgrade China's corrupt local councils debt binge on the property bubble

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:45 | 1592679 Steroid
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Moody's has just saved a yen intervention for the BOJ. This was all prearranged.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:46 | 1592681 IMA5U
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so it's ok for warren buffet's moody's to downgrade japan but not for mcgraw hill's s&p to down grade america



Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:50 | 1592682 fyrebird
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And on that soul-shattering news all of Japan commits honorable seppukuNot.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:50 | 1592695 zebra
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no worry, we got QE.

in fact, why don't we make it the last name of our president. Barak QE.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:51 | 1592696 mynhair
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Note to self:  need to invent Bernank sauce.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:03 | 1592853 KowPie
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Marketing help: Wondering what to do with those billions of fiat $$$ lying around? The solution? The discriminating investor prefers Bernank Sauce!  Just a dab on anything valuable turns it to shit; the poor mans QE and the wealthy mans money maker! Bernank Sauce- coming to a financial market near you in the Spring of 2013.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:51 | 1592698 max2205
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S&P would have done it but since the CEO got govfucked they are too scared. Did Warren sell all his Moodys stock???

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:52 | 1592699 lolmao500
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Wake me when the US army actually does it's job of defending America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and send a death squad to Moody's headquarters.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:59 | 1592724 AldousHuxley
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Here is a hint: US army is not for defense especially with friendly neighbors and foes oceans away.


US army is for US colonies.



Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:55 | 1592705 Brian
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Actually, they cannot sell their USD bonds to pay off JPY debt.  To do that, they would need to convert the US dollars that they receive into Yen, which would, among many other things, cause the Yen to skyrocket in value.  This would bankrupt their export segment, and it would also result in a relatively huge increase in their true (not nominal) debt, since the nominal debt would be unchanged, but it would be priced in vastly more valuable currency.

This is why they are between the proverbial Rock and Hard Place.  They must hold the USD bonds, even though that is the primary asset that they should have available to pay down debt.



(ooops, this got posted in the wrong place.  Was a reply to an above post)

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 08:38 | 1594511 spanish inquisition
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Maybe I am a cynic, but this was orchestrated. My theory is that for liquidity to work to prop up insolvency, you maintain a rangebound area of the big 3 (Euro, Yen and $). The small fluctuations keep the moneychangers circulating it around the world. Japan has been outside the range (-80) for a while and people are sitting on yen, decreasing the flow of liquidity. I was expecting printing or "bad" news from Fukishima to regulate the Yen, but a downgrade should work to help restore the ranges.

Why the above theory? I got no idea, other than it must be one of the pillars of the "recovery" based on the struggle to maintain it.

(Imagine Moody's suprise when Uncle Warren told them to create AAAA for the USA to help reset Fx. When told they can't, he says "Start downgrading everyone else then!")


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:01 | 1592728 Dr. Acula
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Japan should be downgraded from Aa2 to Pu239


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:00 | 1592729 whaletail
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Did Moody's give Sharma a landing spot? 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:06 | 1592747 Sequitur
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Open letter to Japan:

We, sane United States citizens, know and understand this rating downgrade is utter bullshit. If any country is deserving of a massive downgrade, we understand the United States is the poster child for a truly obscene amount of debt that can never be paid back. America's children will suffer mightily because a portion of America's parents, and especially bankers, were uneducated assholes who spent what they did not earn, borrowed what they can never pay back, and have expectations far in excess of their capabilities. The fat, lazy, uneducated American banker class writ large, and their political enablers: scumbags to the core. 

But our Securities & Exchange Commission, which is supposed to regulate securities markets, is beholden to banks and fraudsters (see: Madoff, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, document destruction). If Moody's were to downgrade the United States, the SEC would immediately launch an investigation of Moody's, hurting the one thing Moody's cares about: its pocket book.

This, Japanese citizens, is why your country -- which owns approximately 8% of USA debt, at around $1 trillion -- was downgraded, but not the USA. Sane United States' citizens know and understand this is total bullshit: politics of the worst order, where getting paid triumphs over all else. Our SEC lets criminals wreak havoc in the financial markets, destroys investigative files, and will threaten any rating agency that dare expose the United States as the financially crippled corpse the entire planet knows it is.

Take heart Japan. You have had a rough couple of decades, but at least you know how to save. Americans have not a clue on what it means, and our corrupt Federal Reserve, with its outrageous ZIRP policy, ensures people don't save. America's day of reckoning is coming.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:12 | 1592761 hambone
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Dear Japan -

we make a great save and we spend and in exchange we give you worthless paper so you can ensure to give us endless cool new electronic shit. 

Thanks and sorry bout the downgrade...not everybody can be AAA like us.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:26 | 1592898 jm
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Dear Japan-

Nobody here pays any attention to their opinion anyway, so no worries mates.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:08 | 1592753 caerus
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its all good

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:08 | 1592754 IMA5U
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buffet and obama got moody's to lower japan's credit rating to make the u.s. feel better about themselves


and instead of losing his job the ceo of moody's is getting a better xmas bonus

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:11 | 1592758 monopoly
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Roubini against Tyler. Hmmm.  Any bets? :)

I know who my money is on, eh, I mean gold.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:15 | 1592766 chump666
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If Asia can't make new highs current trading after the DOw/S&P meltup.  Then volatlity is back and the S&P rise is another false breakout.

Weird trading at the moment.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:18 | 1592768 Debtless
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If everyone takes one step backward around the globe - have we really moved at all? Precisely. 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:21 | 1592770 MoneyWise
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Damn Credit Agencies criminals, Japanese people just overcome biggest humanitarian disaster in History. Largest earthquake, Tsunami, and nuclear catastrophe. How dare those m*ther f*ckers making situation even worse.. Can they give Japanese people a break? All those Credit Agencies manipulators should be thrown in jail. Who the f&ck they think they are???

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:29 | 1592790 disabledvet
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God. That's who they think they are. And that's literally what Buffet called them before Congress.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:49 | 1592827 Reese Bobby
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And after all the sensitivity Japan has shown other countries over the centuries...outrageous!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:30 | 1592794 zeroman
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Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:33 | 1592801 Moe Howard
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Man walks into the seafood store. He asks how much the crabs are going for. "1.28" says the seafood salesman. "Shake hands with a millonaire" says the man.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:05 | 1592861 Caviar Emptor
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Don't Look Now:.....(shades of Fukushima in the early phases)

The 5.8 magnitude quake's epicenter was just a few miles from the two-reactor North Anna nuclear power plant operated by Dominion Resources (D.N) in Mineral, Virginia, 80 miles southwest of Washington.

The plant lost power and automatically halted operations after the quake. While a Dominion spokesman reported no "major" damage to the facility, three diesel generators were required to kick in and keep the reactors' radioactive cores cool. A fourth diesel unit failed.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:06 | 1592862 oogs66
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buffett said it was okay, ceo won't commit hari kari

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:09 | 1592868 FranSix
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Let's see.  We don't want negative rates in Japan and are willing to live with the downgrade.  Just have too much on the go with the Japanese banking sector deeply invovled in 'Asian miracles.'

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:15 | 1592878 Yes_Questions
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Credit-negative factors that could lead to a negative ratings outlook or prompt a ratings downgrade include:

It's like the "Things affecting your credit score" section from Equifax.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:22 | 1592887 travtom
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it sure looks orchestrated and an act of desperation

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:55 | 1593036 AldousHuxley
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Moodys should go rate something about fish freshness at a sushi places?


AA2 for polluted fish from Chinese toxic waste dump

AA3 for radioactive fish from tsunami coasts


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:55 | 1593037 mt paul
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Moody's Downgrades Japan From Aa2 To Aa3

cover that in wassabi

tell me

i'm eating sushi too....

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:09 | 1593110 reader2010
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Wabi-Sabi? the vampire, I mean the Empire,  needs to move onto the next target via the South China Sea.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:23 | 1593167 stoxster
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Moodys downgrading Japan so rapidly is actually sending a signal to US "look, I'm downgrading Japan, so watch your finances!". It's very obvious why the CEO of Moodys wouldn't want to downgrade US, as he knows he'll get fired, just like Sharma from S&P.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:37 | 1593250 PulauHantu29
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Moody's CEO fired by Board....when do we get that news from the "Everything is fine" Powers that be?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:01 | 1593395 AldousHuxley
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What ever happened to that Wells Notice Moody's? Obama told SEC to don't touch my friend/master?


Also, this is how Buffett operates:

CEO Raymond McDaniel dumped 100,000 shares of stock at $29 a share the day the Wells Notice arrived.  And that Berkshire Hathaway (BRK) sold ~678,000 shares that day and another ~300,000 or so in the week that followed. The notice was disclosed 7 weeks after in 10Q for all other investors.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:56 | 1593355 YesWeKahn
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On the other hand, they created a great market for traders!

I sell my longs (stocks and ETF) at the end of a rally day and buy them on a big down day. It's been a GREAT run so far. Up 25% for the year, thank you Bernanke!

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 01:58 | 1593995 AnAnonymous
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Since when projection is reserved to such profiles? Actually, one can be strong, powerful and carry out projection. To dilute responsibility.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 10:07 | 1594848 DosZap
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These ratings agencies are just make work(lack of jobs0.

Japan should have been downgraded to an "F" years ago, 200%+ GDP to Debt ratio, GIVE me a break.

Their saving rate is down to nothing from the old 25% std, their population is getting very long in the tooth, and using their savings that made them a viable nation, no more.

Hell Chinese peole save 50% of their pay.

The only thing they have on us, is they are not overun with illegals getting job, and bennies, ask the U.K, and France how thats working out for them.

US, we just OUTSOURCE it now.

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