Moody's Downgrades Six German Bank Groups, And Their Subsidiaries, By Up To Three Notches

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First Moody's cut the most prominent Austrian banks, and now it is Germany's turn, if not that of  the most undercapitalized German bank yet: "The ongoing rating review for Deutsche Bank AG and its subsidiaries will be concluded together with the reviews for other global firms with large capital markets operations."

The full downgrade Matrix:

From Moody's

Moody's takes multiple actions on German banks' ratings; most outlooks now stable

Frankfurt am Main, June 06, 2012 -- Moody's Investors Service has today taken various rating actions on seven German banks and their subsidiaries, as well as one German subsidiary of a foreign group. As a result, the long-term debt and deposit ratings for six groups and one German subsidiary of a foreign group have declined by one notch, while the ratings for one group were confirmed. Moody's also downgraded the long-term debt and deposit ratings for several subsidiaries of these groups, by up to three notches. At the same time, the short-term ratings for three groups as well as one German subsidiary of a foreign group have been downgraded by one notch, triggered by the long-term rating downgrades.

Further to these actions, Moody's has assigned stable outlooks to the ratings of most German banks. The ratings of two groups and of one German subsidiary of a foreign bank carry negative outlooks, reflecting bank-specific vulnerabilities to a possible further deterioration of the environment.

The ongoing rating review for Deutsche Bank AG and its subsidiaries will be concluded together with the reviews for other global firms with large capital markets operations.

Today's rating actions are driven by the increased risk of further shocks emanating from the euro area debt crisis, in combination with the banks' limited loss-absorption capacity. The key drivers of today's rating actions on German banks are:

- Increased risks to asset quality for the banks affected by today's actions due to their exposures to asset classes prone to further deterioration if downside risks from the euro area debt crisis and the weakened global economic outlook materialise.

- Limited loss-absorption capacity, given the comparatively small equity cushions relative to total assets (not risk-weighted) and low pre-provision earnings. As a result, many German banks have limited capacity to absorb losses out of earnings, raising the potential that capital could diminish in a stress scenario.

Moody's notes that several factors have caused the ratings of many German banks to decline by less than for other European banks and also less than the initial maximum guidance communicated on 15 February 2012. One mitigating factor is the comparatively benign operating environment in the German home market, supported by below-average unemployment, low household and corporate debt levels and the general resilience of the German economy. Another critical mitigating factor is the modest funding risk of many German banks, underpinned by broadly matched maturity profiles, recurring access to intra-sector funds (for the Landesbanks and the central institutions of the German cooperative banking sector), and improved liquidity buffers. Moreover, Moody's recognises the steps German banks have taken to address past asset quality challenges; however, as stated above, significant downside risks remain.

Todays' rating actions have no impact on debt issued by Landesbanks that is guaranteed by state governments (grandfathered debt). The ratings for this debt continue to reflect the applicable sub-sovereign long-term and short-term ratings.

Please click on this link ( for the List of Affected Credit Ratings. This list is an integral part of this press release and identifies each affected issuer. For additional information on bank ratings, please refer to the webpage containing Moody's related announcements:

Moody's has today also published a Special Comment entitled "Key Drivers of German Bank Rating Actions," ( which provides more detail on the rationale for these rating actions.

The (asset-weighted) average deposit rating of German banks of A2 now falls in the mid-range for western European banking systems. The average standalone credit assessment of baa3 ranks in the mid-to-lower range compared with European peers. Moody's has not changed its assumptions about the likelihood of support from external sources, such as parent owners, broader sector groups, and governments. Reflecting these support assumptions, many German banks' debt and deposit ratings continue to be positioned several notches above their standalone credit assessments.


Today's rating actions are driven by the increased risk of further shocks emanating from the euro area debt crisis in combination with the banks' limited loss-absorption capacity. This has weakened the standalone credit strength of the affected banks. All banking groups are affected, to varying degrees, by the key adverse drivers and mitigating factors noted above. On balance, these factors have reduced the standalone credit strength of those German banks whose ratings have been downgraded.


German banks' lending operations include activities that are exposed to the risk of a worsening euro area debt crisis and to the difficult overall European and international operating environment.

Asset-side vulnerabilities include exposure to (i) the global shipping sector, which is also vulnerable to weakening economic growth and faces structural overcapacity; (ii) international commercial real estate (CRE) markets, with CRE exposures of several German banks being concentrated in markets that saw falling prices, such as the US, the UK and Spain; (iii) legacy holdings of structured credit products; and, (iv) securities of and other exposures to stressed euro area countries (Greece, Ireland, Italy, Portugal, Spain, or GIIPS). According to Moody's estimates, the German banks affected by today's rating actions had combined exposures of approximately three times their Tier 1 capital in higher-risk asset classes at year-end 2011 after hedges and estimated write-downs and provisions (source: company information, Moody's Investors Service estimates).

While Moody's recognises that German banks have taken actions in recent years to address asset quality challenges, the rating agency believes that banks have only partially incorporated the downside risks posed by the ongoing euro area debt crisis and evolving global economic trends. As such, they may record further significant losses, if such downside risks materialize.

Positively, Moody's sees limited challenges arising from German banks' domestic loan books amidst stable economic conditions. Some elevated risks are, however, contained in exposures to export-driven German manufacturers and in domestic CRE loans.


Moody's believes the capital positions of several German banks are vulnerable to erosion under stress, given (i) their above-described exposure to asset classes that are likely to be impacted by a worsening operating environment in Europe, (ii) elevated risks from the ongoing euro area crisis, and (iii) their low pre-provision earnings.

While most German banks have significantly improved their regulatory capital ratios, as well as the quality of their capital, this is more than offset in Moody's opinion by the elevated, and rising, risk of external shocks and losses that may arise from the evolving European debt crisis. With only 4.0% of their assets backed by equity at year-end 2011 (source: company information), the simple balance-sheet leverage displayed by rated German banks remains lower than that of many European peers. While simple leverage does not capture the risk content of assets, it complements regulatory ratios based on risk-weighted assets (RWAs). The latter can be misleading, given differences in regulatory rules and also given that some assets with very low risk weights have caused massive losses in recent years, including for German banks.

Moreover, Moody's expects German banks' pre-provision profitability to remain low on an international comparison. This outlook is driven by Germany's highly competitive banking market and, for some banks, also by ongoing restructuring and franchise adjustments that leave them below their full earnings potential.


The magnitude of today's rating actions has been limited by the benign domestic operating environment for German banks, especially when compared with that of the more stressed euro area countries. Germany currently enjoys low unemployment and sustained, albeit slowing, economic growth, although the economy's interconnectedness with other euro area countries poses downside risks. Another mitigating factor is the modest funding risk for many German banks, despite sizeable reliance on wholesale funds. These funds are often provided by less confidence-sensitive sources, for example by parent funding, or intra-sector flows from deposit-rich local savings banks (for Landesbanks) and local cooperative banks (for central institutions of the cooperative banking sector).


The downgrade in German banks' long- and short-term debt ratings was driven by downgrades of their standalone credit assessments. Moody's has not changed its assumptions regarding the availability of support from a bank parent, cooperative group or regional or local government, or the central government. The senior debt and deposit ratings of many German banks are positioned several notches above their standalone credit assessments, reflecting Moody's expectation that they would have access to several sources of external support if necessary.


Moody's has today also downgraded the subordinated and hybrid debt ratings of German banks by up to three notches. The downgrades reflect changes in the banks' underlying creditworthiness, as Moody's had previously removed assumptions of government (or systemic) support from this debt class.


Today's rating actions conclude the review for downgrade of German banks, which had been initiated alongside reviews for downgrade of many other European financial institutions (see press release "Moody's reviews Ratings for European Banks" ( on 15 February 2012. Some of the bank ratings downgraded today had already been placed on review for downgrade on other dates.


Rating upgrades for German banks are unlikely over the near term in view of today's actions and the negative rating outlooks for some banks. Nevertheless, a limited amount of upward rating pressure could develop if a bank substantially improves its credit profile and resilience to current conditions, for example, if improved standalone strength were to be achieved by bolstering capital and liquidity buffers, thereby reducing exposures to higher-risk asset classes, or by recording significant growth in earnings.

Several factors could result in further downward rating changes. These include (i) a further deterioration of the euro area crisis leading to asset quality deterioration beyond current expectations; (ii) deteriorating earnings and capital levels; and (iii) increasingly restricted access to the debt capital markets.


For further detail please refer to:

- List of Affected Issuers (, 6 June 2012

- Special Comment: Key Drivers of German Bank Rating Actions, 6 June 2012

- Press Release: Moody's Reviews Ratings for European Banks, 15 Feb 2012

- Special Comment How Sovereign Credit Quality May Affect Other Ratings, 13 Feb 2012

- Special Comment: Euro Area Debt Crisis Weakens Bank Credit Profiles, 19 Jan 2012

- Special Comment: European Banks: How Moody's Analytic Approach Reflects Evolving Challenges, 19 Jan 2012


Moody's webpages with additional information:



The methodologies used in these ratings were Bank Financial Strength Ratings: Global Methodology published in February 2007, and Incorporation of Joint-Default Analysis into Moody's Bank Ratings: Global Methodology, published in March 2012. Please see the Credit Policy page on for a copy of these methodologies.

BANK SPECIFIC RATING CONSIDERATIONS (listed alphabetically, by group)

This section discusses bank-specific rating considerations. Please click on this link ( for the List of Affected Credit Ratings. This list is an integral part of this press release and identifies each affected issuer.

COMMERZBANK AG (deposits A3, BFSR D+ / BCA baa3)

The confirmation of Commerzbank's standalone credit assessment takes account of the recent progress the bank has made in restoring its regulatory capitalisation to the level required by the European Banking Authority (EBA), as well as progress in its efforts to de-risk and downsize its balance sheet. The deposit ratings were downgraded by one notch each to A3/Prime-2, which reflects the prior downgrade of Commerzbank's standalone credit assessment on 18 January 2012 (see press release "Moody's reviews for downgrade long and short-term ratings of Commerzbank AG & subsidiaries", On 18 January, Moody's had lowered Commerzbank's standalone credit assessment and kept it on review for further downgrade. At the same time, Moody's had placed the long-term and short-term ratings on review for downgrade, but not yet downgraded them, given the uncertain outcome of the pending review of the standalone credit assessment, as well as Moody's review of short and long-term support considerations. Following today's confirmation of the standalone credit assessment at baa3, the reviews of the long-term and short-term ratings have been concluded with one-notch downgrades. The senior ratings incorporate unchanged, high systemic support assumptions. The outlook on the ratings was changed to negative, as vulnerabilities remain in the areas of Commerzbank's large sector and single-borrower risk concentrations and sizeable exposures to borrowers in Europe's periphery, and also given the uncertain outlook for European financial markets.


The confirmation of the standalone credit assessment of this Irish entity and the one-notch downgrade of its deposit rating follow the rating actions for its parent bank, Commerzbank AG, and the unchanged approach to align all ratings of the subsidiary with those of its parent. This approach is based on the legal obligation of Commerzbank as majority stakeholder, based on the "unlimited company" status of the Irish bank, to make good any shortfalls of funds in liquidation. All ratings carry a negative outlook, reflecting the outlook on the ratings of Commerzbank AG.


The two notch decline of CISAL's standalone credit assessment to baa1 takes account of the inter-linkages between its credit profile and the weaker standalone profile of its parent, which was downgraded by one notch on 18 January 2012. Moody's believes that CISAL's franchise remains dependent on the overall Commerzbank group, given the subsidiary's limited strategic and financial autonomy. As such, the weakening of the parent's credit profile adversely affects CISAL. The baa1 standalone credit assessment for CISAL is now positioned two notches above Commerzbank's, reflecting the linkage to the parent, as well as CISAL's solid standalone wealth management franchise and its sound liquidity and capital. While Moody's principally acknowledges a high probability of parental support, this does not lead to any uplift for CISAL's deposit rating. The outlook on CISAL's ratings is negative, in line with its parent.

- DEUTSCHE SCHIFFSBANK (deposits A3, BFSR D / BCA ba2 - Ratings Withdrawn)

Following the legal merger of Deutsche Schiffsbank into Commerzbank, which took effect on 23 May 2012, Moody's has today confirmed the bank's long-term ratings and then withdrawn Deutsche Schiffsbank's standalone credit assessment and the long-term ratings at their current level. Please refer to the Moody's Investors Service's Policy for the Withdrawal of Credit Ratings, available on its website,

- EUROHYPO AG (deposits Baa2, BFSR E / BCA caa1)

The one-notch lowering of the standalone credit assessment was driven by the impairment of the bank's franchise and the recent decision by the European Commission that Eurohypo has to discontinue its business, relinquish its brand name and be unwound by its parent bank, Commerzbank AG. In line with earlier guidance, Moody's has downgraded the senior unsecured debt and deposit ratings by two notches.



The two notch decline of DekaBank's standalone credit assessment reflects Moody's concerns regarding the bank's wholesale-based commercial banking activities and associated risk profile. In Moody's view, DekaBank's sizeable banking activities lack the breadth and client franchise of its domestic peers and carry relatively high risk concentrations to financial intermediaries. These exposures are material in relation to the bank's earnings power and capital and better reflected in the lower standalone credit assessment at baa2, down from a3. While earnings from core asset management activities remain a key supporting factor for DekaBank's standalone profile, Moody's considers high volatility in capital markets and declining investor confidence as a challenge for these activities which could lead to additional pressure on earnings in the future. The one notch downgrade of DekaBank's debt and deposit ratings to A1 reflects the lowering of the bank's standalone credit assessment and Moody's assessment of a very high probability of external support from Sparkassen-Finanzgruppe (S-Finanzgruppe; corporate family rating Aa2, stable).


The one notch decline of DZ BANK's standalone credit assessment is driven by the bank's vulnerability to tail risks in a highly adverse scenario, based on Moody's capital stress test simulations, given its high leverage and sizable exposure to countries in Europe's periphery. Nevertheless, Moody's considers DZ BANK's capital position to be sufficient to cope with a deteriorating operating environment in Europe in a base case scenario, although DZ BANK may require additional capital to cope with the transition to Basel III depending on details of the emerging regulation. Moody's considers DZ BANK's liquidity position to be comfortable, also in light of the strong deposit intake of the cooperative sector banks throughout the financial crisis. Moody's maintains its assumption of a high support probability from Germany's cooperative banking sector (unrated) given DZ BANK is firmly embedded in the sector. Moody's also assumes that a degree of support for DZ BANK would be available from the government if needed.

- DVB BANK S.E. (DVB, deposits Baa1, BFSR D- / BCA ba3)

The three notch lowering of DVB's standalone credit assessment was driven by its high vulnerability to capital pressures, based on Moody's stress tests, as a result of its large exposures to global transportation finance activities. Another key driver was the bank's limited independent funding franchise. The downgrade of DVB's long-term debt and deposit ratings reflects the lowering of DVB's standalone credit strength and Moody's assumption of a very high probability of parental support from DVB's majority shareholder, DZ BANK.

- DZ BANK Ireland plc (DZ BANK Ireland, deposits A3, BFSR C- / BCA baa2)

DZ BANK Ireland is a highly integrated and harmonized institution with its parent, DZ BANK. As such, its standalone credit assessment is aligned with DZ Bank's and has therefore been lowered in line with the parent. As a foreign subsidiary, DZ BANK Ireland's senior unsecured ratings continue to benefit from two notches of uplift, reflecting Moody's assumptions about the availability of (indirect) support from the cooperative banks in Germany (unrated), but not from any uplift due to government (or systemic) support.


The one notch decline of LBBW's standalone credit assessment to ba1 was driven by concerns about tail risk, as LBBW's relatively high leverage and concentration risks imply vulnerability to unexpected losses in a scenario of highly adverse market conditions. Continued pressure on profits represented another important factor for the rating decision. Moody's also took account of a number of counterbalancing factors, including the bank's improved regulatory capitalisation and modest funding risks.The one notch downgrades of LBBW's senior long-term and short-term debt ratings to A3/Prime-2 reflect the lower standalone credit strength.


The one notch lowering of Helaba's standalone credit strength to baa3 was driven by the assessment that the bank's large exposure to international commercial real estate markets could make it vulnerable to capital pressures in a highly adverse scenario, based on results of Moody's capital stress test simulations. At the same time, Moody's considers Helaba's track record of satisfactory risk management and comfortable funding profile as important risk mitigating factors. The one notch downgrades of Helaba's senior long-term debt ratings to A2 reflect the lower standalone credit strength.


The two notch decline of NORD/LB's standalone credit assessment reflects concentration risks in its wholesale-based banking activities, in particular in commercial real estate, ship finance and public sector finance activities. Another key risk driver is the declining creditworthiness of European banks in the context of NORD/LB's sizeable bond holdings and credit default swaps (CDS, protection sold) positions referenced to banks. The aforementioned exposures leave NORD/LB vulnerable to pressures on capital under adverse conditions, based on Moody's capital stress test simulations (even when taking into account recently-announced capital strengthening measures). The long-term ratings reflect Moody's assumption of a very high probability of external support from multiple sources, providing five notches of uplift to NORD/LB's senior long-term ratings.

- NORD/LB LUXEMBOURG (NLBL, deposits Baa3, BFSR D / BCA ba2)

NLBL is a highly integrated and harmonized institution with its parent, NORD/LB. As such, its standalone credit assessment is aligned with NORD/LB's and has therefore been lowered in line with the parent. As a foreign subsidiary, NLBL's long-term ratings benefit from two notches of uplift, reflecting Moody's assumption of a very high probability of support from NORD/LB.


The two notch lowering of BremerLB's standalone credit strength reflects its vulnerability to capital pressures under adverse credit conditions (based on Moody's capital stress tests) in the context of its exposures to the cyclical ship finance sector, but also its CDS (protection sold) positions referenced to European banks. The bank's announcement that it will strengthen the quality of its capital by converting all of its existing hybrid capital notes into common equity by the end of June 2012 is an important mitigating factor in Moody's assessment of the bank's capitalization. The one notch downgrade of BremerLB's long-term debt ratings reflects the lowering of its standalone credit assessment and Moody's assumption of a very high probability of parental support from its parent, NORD/LB. The parental support-driven ratings uplift for BremerLB also (indirectly) incorporates the availability of support from other sources, as typically available to Germany's public-sector banks.

- DEUTSCHE HYPOTHEKENBANK AG (Deutsche Hypo, deposits Baa2, BFSR E+ / BCA b1)

The two notch decline of Deutsche Hypo's standalone credit assessment reflects the bank's vulnerability to capital pressures, based on Moody's capital stress tests, as a result of its leveraged business model that focuses on CRE and public-sector finance, and including sizeable CDS positions (protection sold) referenced to European sovereigns. The potential for unexpected losses from these exposures in combination with the bank's limited loss-absorption capacity may require additional capital support in a deteriorating economic environment. The long-term debt and deposit ratings reflect Moody's assessment of a very high probability of parental support from NORD/LB, also given Deutsche Hypo's high degree of integration into the group.

UNICREDIT BANK AG (UCB, deposits A3, BFSR C- / BCA baa2)

The one notch lowering of UCB's standalone credit strength reflects the operational interconnectedness with its parent bank, UniCredit SpA (deposits A3, BFSR C- / BCA baa2), even though direct exposure to its Italian parent is monitored and partly collateralized. Supporting factors for the standalone credit assessment include UCB's robust credit profile in combination with its high loss-absorption capacity from earnings and capital, as reflected in Moody's capital stress tests. The downgrade of UCB's long-term and short-term ratings to A3/Prime-2 follow the lowering of the standalone credit assessment and incorporate Moody's unchanged external support assumptions, such as i) a very high likelihood of parental support from UniCredit SpA; and ii) a high likelihood of systemic support in case of need. The outlook on UCB's ratings is negative, reflecting UCB's focus on corporate and investment banking activities which add a degree of opacity and tail risk to its credit profile, particularly in the current environment.

- UNICREDIT LUXEMBOURG S.A. (UCL, deposits Baa2, BFSR C- / BCA baa2)

The one-notch lowering of UCL's standalone credit assessment follows the rating decisions taken for its parent bank, UCB, and the unchanged approach to align the standalone credit rating of the subsidiary with that of its parent (based on Moody's treatment of highly integrated subsidiaries). The outlook on UCL's ratings is negative, in line with its parent.

WGZ BANK AG (WGZ BANK) (deposits A1, BFSR C- / BCA baa2)

The standalone credit assessment of WGZ BANK was confirmed at baa2 in recognition of the bank's comfortable liquidity position and relatively low-risk credit profile. However, the negative outlook on the ratings reflects WGZ BANK's vulnerability to a further deterioration of the economic situation in European peripheral countries to which the bank's majority-owned WL Bank (unrated) has significant exposures. The negative outlook further reflects the modest profitability of WGZ BANK's core franchise, implying limited ability to absorb losses out of earnings. Moody's maintains its assumption of a high support probability from Germany's cooperative banking sector (unrated) given WGZ BANK is firmly embedded in the sector.

- WGZ BANK Ireland plc (WGZ BANK Ireland, deposits A3, BFSR C- / BCA baa2)

WGZ BANK Ireland is highly integrated and harmonized with its parent, WGZ BANK. As such, its standalone credit assessment is aligned with WGZ Bank's and was therefore confirmed at the parent bank's level. As a foreign subsidiary, WGZ BANK Ireland's senior debt and deposit ratings continue to benefit from two notches of uplift, reflecting Moody's assumptions about the availability of (indirect) support from the cooperative banks in Germany (unrated), but not from systemic support-driven uplift. All ratings carry a negative outlook, in line with those of its parent.

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Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:29 | 2497834 Boilermaker
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That's why the XLF and IYR went on a moonshot today for no app....

Wait, this should have caused the opposite effect.


Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:48 | 2497873 lotsoffun
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and ceo bonus for financial firms went up 20% over last year.  dude - bennie has their backs.  the banks RULE the planet.  get it?  and - they control your income, your savings, your retirement funds, your health care.

in the old days it was the church, and believe me, when the priest said 'get on your knees and pray' you did it.  nothing changed except the priest.


Tue, 06/05/2012 - 20:40 | 2497985 franzpick
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I'm hoping for the german people to downgrade their political big government and financial authorities to a "Nein-Nein-Nein" minus rating before Angela and her cronies concoct some new 'Uber Alles' EU bailout super-bund.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 20:54 | 2498032 UP Forester
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Did the downgrade mention shipping?

Why, yes it did!

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:05 | 2498057 Mark123
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Better sink some of those ships....we could use up some ammumition (nothing left to bomb in the middle east any more).

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:02 | 2498049 max2205
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Quick! Implement Financial stock short bans

Way to go Warren, short GR bank stocks?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:28 | 2498207 skepticCarl
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Anyone who read every word of that article gets a nod of respect, and a cyber beer, from this Skeptic.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:29 | 2497837 world_debt_slave
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act of war, bitchez!

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 20:27 | 2497976 CPL
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Good times good times...farewell to ALL DoD pensions.  Lot of money invested into the Germany economy from US war bonds in the reparations of WW1 and WW2.  All tied back to the foundation of the pension scheme extended to all forces personnel...along with the NSA and FBI.  CIA lost their bread in facebook and MF Global. 

That's all the US Sec forces pensions getting downgraded in one shot.  With mark to market rules removed in the USA, not a single pension plan holding the assets has to mark them down or claim that there are liabilities on the books.  Not a damn thing anyone in the civil servant core in the US can do now except figure out if their is room at their children's homes when the debt wolf comes in the house.

Go long wet dog food and fridge boxes in the Tristate area, Denver and Saltlake City.  Go short golf memberships, touring bikes, SUV's and steak.


Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:16 | 2498077 Offthebeach
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Anyway, Milk Bones really taste like milk.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:30 | 2497838 LetThemEatRand
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In positive economic news, orders for new jack boots just went to the moon....

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:26 | 2498095 Muppet Pimp
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riot gear manufacturers look ready to breakout

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:31 | 2497840 the 300000000th...
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funny how this ALWAYS happens after the market closes for the day

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:32 | 2497843 Boilermaker
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CNBS Breaking News:  Fed's Evans calls for 'Extemely Strong' policy accomodation, says willing to buy mortgage bonds.


Here we fucking go with the Bazooka bullshit again.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:35 | 2497849 SHEEPFUKKER

When doves cry. 

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:37 | 2497853 Boilermaker
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And there go the futures.

My god this fucking shit is old.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:39 | 2497859 CreativeDestructor
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he is a dick

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:37 | 2497854 Dr. Engali
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Looks like Bill Gross is a happy man. The fed will be buying MBS's.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:51 | 2497882 nmewn
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Into the Black they can counterfeit without fear of prosecution I guess we know where we stand on the scales of justice.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:37 | 2497855 kentmills
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 19:46 | 2497872 Bolweevil
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Yawn. Grow a sack and downgrade the Limeys.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:23 | 2498194 theTribster
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Thinking the same thing, everytime I hear another downgrade I wonder when the English will get theirs. Of course they won't, they have an agreement of sorts with the ratings agencies. Since downgrades are relative in terms of impact they can finally downgrade the Limeys now that everyone else has been. Germany gets downgraded but England doesn't, really?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 20:01 | 2497903 my puppy for prez
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This seems to be a message from Merkel's masters to get in line and make the complete consolidation of the EU a reality, OR ELSE!!!

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 20:06 | 2497912 Sandmann
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Shipping is funny, that's probably because German Tax Law makes Germans the largest Limited Partners in shipping and container deals

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 20:11 | 2497929 Tom Green Swedish
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Like we didn't know this was coming.  Germany is leveraged the most of all of Europe with 32-1.  "EuroZone" is leveraged worse than Lehman Brothers

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 20:14 | 2497939 Coldfire
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Please. The systematically important German banks have a SoFFin printing press in their basement. In this context Moody's tea leaf readings are meaningless.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:12 | 2498055 Rynak
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Nah, this as usual has nothing to do with reality, and especialy nothing to do with that humans consider "fundamentals":

See, german large banks are shit, other european large banks are worth shit, usa banks are worth shit.... actuallly, most banks balancesheet is worth shit, if everyone would default to PAYABLE debt levels.

So why are they doing this to german banks right now? Well, look at the media onslaught on germany recently, look at ZH itself right today publishing a bunch of germany hitpieces, and "the world will end if you do not do what we say" articles... first hiding it as a footnote under articles, and then removing ALL explicit information including footnotes - the onslaught and urgency is so hard, that apparently prices were high enough that even ZH met "it's price"......

Guess what? JUST WHY would such a media onslaught be launched, if the supposed "totally corrupted" german politicians, were actually 100% bankster puppets?

Answer: Not at all. As corrupt as german politicians may be, chances are there recently have been "conflicting opinions" about the "plan forward"... and THIS, is the display of power..... similiar as in cognitive disonance's fictional piece "flash crash" (BTW, now would be a good time for "blast from the past" in this regard).

What is right now happening, is massmedia and financial carpetbombing german decisionmakers into compliance.

There, i just placed a big red X on this post for the psyops brigade, for playing master of the obvious. BTW GFY you massmurdering assholes, for proposing that germany should blackout the PIIGS, killing (ten?)thousands for "profit" (YES, they actually proposed this!).

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:24 | 2498091 disabledvet
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Scottish, Japanese and Spanish banks please. Move along!

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 20:54 | 2498033 TrainWreck1
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In an uncertain development, Moody's downgraded themselves late today, claiming they have lost confidence in the voices that speak to them which nobody else can hear...



Tue, 06/05/2012 - 20:56 | 2498036 lolmao500
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Report: 119% Voter Turnout in Madison, WI

Ah yeah....

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:06 | 2498062 TrainWreck1
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Technically, Chicago* is a suburb of Madison





*have votes, will travel

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:24 | 2498092 Jena
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Further proof of the zombie trend. Who would have guessed they'd be civic-minded?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:49 | 2498132 LeBalance
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i was just resting.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:38 | 2498221 Jena
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Your text reads relatively calm, just don't bite my head off.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:26 | 2498200 surf0766
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The communists,socialists,anarchists, and Islamist have lost.


Tue, 06/05/2012 - 20:56 | 2498037 goldencrumbs
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Growling Suspect Threatens to "Eat" Officers

Get me the fuck out of Florida - Any of the PIIGS are better than this shit

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:01 | 2498044 Mark123
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In other news today:


Moodys downgraded the health of Ronald Reagan today by 2 notches to AA from AAA, with a negative outlook.  Moodys cited Reagan's lack of exercise and staying in a box 6 feet underground for a long time. 


Reagan had no comment.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:05 | 2498056 Reese Bobby
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EUROHYPO?  First order of business is a name change.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:06 | 2498061 LawsofPhysics
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Germany and most Germans (who actually make real shit) really don't care what these paper pushers say. Time to build some more walls Germany.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:14 | 2498074 jhm
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Rating Agencies. Based in the US. Paid shills, silly minions. Very much to be taken serious, indeed!

Would not that be nice, watching the germans finally get some kind of "revenge" for what the banksters, or, better, the anglo-french (and later on, anglo-american and russian) tricksters did to this country since 1648. The russians and the french are toast already, they are broke, have far too large military expenses and nukes and that's it, mostly, the rest of the gang may scream and howl as they wish, pointing their dirty fingers to the germans on and on, controlling "opinions" in the international media and the web, playing their disgusting blame game again and again to distract from the fact that is was them, and them alone, who planned and started this whole financial mess in the street and the city.

Germany was portrayed as the evil archbeast of the world by all it's nice dear neighbours and friends from time to time, it has survived multiple total utter complete devastations wrought upon it by those dear neighbours and friends since centuries, and always managed to crawl out of the ruins, clear the mess and get back on top a few years after, each time, culturally, financially, even the last time, when clearly they overdid it big time themselves. They have been in a downturn for 98 years now, but who knows, things may change soon. Does anyone with at least some decent knowledge in history really expect this nation to be so utterly stupid as not to know *exactly* what is going on and what may come as next dirty move in that disgusting great scheme of the anglo-american banking "elite"?

Interesting times we live in ...


Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:26 | 2498093 disabledvet
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"but MOOOOMMMMM....they started it!"

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:11 | 2498281 my puppy for prez
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Despite Hitler's horrifying qualities and actions, it IS interesting to note that he was contemplating (and writing about) setting up a monetary system OUTSIDE OF the Rothschilde system.  That must have really been the straw that broke the camel's back.

Just like almost every other country in the world, Germany is ruled completely by the global banking/government system...just like the rest of the human race, the people of Germany, very bright, industrious, and resilient, have been occupied for many a generation.  Merkel is just following the script, trying to walk the line b/t citizen sentiment (preventing all-out riots) and pleasing Lord Rothschild.  She is a tecnician, just like all of the other political "leaders".  Just playin' their part.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:19 | 2498083 q99x2
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Who pays for these reports? Where does Moody's income come from?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:22 | 2498087 earleflorida
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S & P Rating Agency = The McGraw-Hill Co. [Rothschild Enterprise] ** BBB-

Moody's Rating Agency = Berkshire Hathaway Enterprise [W. Buffett ] ** Baa3

Fitch Rating Agency = French Owned [*?] ** BBB-

Egan-Jones Rating Agency = ** AAA +

Note: * French will go tit-for-tat whomever downgrades their sovereignty? 

 ** JMO Personal Rating

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:26 | 2498094 Go Tribe
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Hey Fuehrer - Here's the deal: Our Fed will bail your sorry ass banks if and only if you give us all your gold.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:28 | 2498097 disabledvet
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Big names, big deal. I was half expecting the Tylers' Durden to put Goldman Sachs up there as "the undercapitalized one." DB it is! Oh, well. Wonder how that Bankers Trust aquisition is working out twenty years on? Did they ever fix that "building thingy" they own in Manhattan?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 21:37 | 2498116 Gringo Viejo
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OFF TOPIC: As per Drudge, the communists are losing their recall effort in Wisconsin by a margin of 58% to 41% with 6% of votes tallied. PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS ARE A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS! IF YOU WANT TO LIVE OFF THE TAXPAYER AND YOU DON"T THINK IT'S ENOUGH MONEY...GO OUT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND COMPETE! FUCK THESE COMMUNISTS!

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:21 | 2498189 MrBoompi
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Dear German Banks,

I know some of you improved your capital positions, but decided to downgrade you becuase of "outside forces" such as another downgrade if you don't start fucking folllowing orders.

Sincerely, The Cartel

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:36 | 2498220 scaleindependent
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This has prolly been said.  IMO, this is a way of pressuring Germany to subsume costs and to support monetization via Euro bonds.

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