Moody's Unhappy With Friday Euro Summit, To Review Ratings, Warns Of "Multiple Defaults And Exits By Euro Area Countries"

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Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:10 | 1969453 Hober Mallow
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I'm telling you, this house is going to burn!

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:15 | 1969468 I think I need ...
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i just want it over so i know whether i'm hunting deer every morning, taking bike to the grocery store, am i squirreling away gold and silver or FRN's after the gold revaluation. I just want to know the rules yet it seems the guys with all the gold haven't made all the rules yet

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:32 | 1969484 Popo
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Yes they have.  There is only one rule:   The house is going to win. 

Why?  Because dispite the flimsy illusion that the voters have some sort of power -- nothing could be further from the truth.   In this game between the elites and the non-elites, in which the former have 100% of the power -- does one even need to ask who is going to win?

(Unless of course the game becomes violent -- in which case, historically, the non-elites typically kick ass -- but not always)

Since violence isn't going to happen in America (You know it's just not going to.  They could hand out free cheeseburgers and stop any militia America mustered, dead in its tracks) -- All exits to financial safety wll be closed.  Food will inflate while gold and silver sales/exports are taxed/tariffed (thereby extracting their value without the need for confiscation).   The elites will be bailed out and literally handed cash. (Y'know... because it's "our" banking system that needs to be saved afterall).  Oil will shoot the moon,  and your vote will become even more worthless.  Oh, and they hope you enjoyed your civil rights.  They were fun and all, but the elites would prefer it if you had none.

Thanks for playing.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:45 | 1969508 topcallingtroll
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Before the french revolution and also before king charlie lost his head there were dozens of failed uprisings in each case.

Poor people only win when the petite beorgioise join them.

They need our administrative abilities and funding to win and then hold the gains.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 09:03 | 1969546 topcallingtroll
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Logistics is destiny.

Poor people may be able to riot and hold a city for a day or two.

They dont have a supply chain or organization. The smart industrious types have to join and give the rabble guidance and support.

The shopkeepers are joining the fight in Syria. The college educated are also on the side of the rabble.

Now the syrian opposition has a small chance.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:19 | 1970296 JimBowie1958
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You make some good points here, but the why of it all is interesting.

The Peasants Revolt was a fail, along with the 1848 uprisings and others. It seems the lacking element was the relatively educated urban man of property, but what leads him to support a revolution?

My guess is that it comes from three factors:

1) Heavy-handedness on the part of the government robs it of moral authority in the view of most of these urbanites. Whether people believe God anointed the king or not, the reaality of a government killing, imprisoning, mutilating or making destitute large numbers of innocent other-wise law-abiding people galvanizes opinion against them, and opinion moves fast in urban areas, and these days it doesnt even need the town press as we have the internet now.

2) A significant portion of the elite themselves lose faith in the system for various reasons running from they are about to get cashed in by the other elite, they are disgusted with the obvious corruption and nepotism, and/or they see an opportunity in grabbing what falls from over-turning apple-carts. There is plenty of this sort of thing going on today and it is getting exposure on the internet in ways unheard of prior to it.

3) The townsmen get the undeniable impression that the vast majority of people in the naiton hold the same opinion and everyone has the feeling that there is nothing left to lose if they go into revollt as they are so desperate currently. Call it the Hundredth Monkey if you will, but individuals feel powerlesss typically while people in a mob feel almost omnipotent, which is an illusion.

The current technology and long history of violent revolt since World War 2 provides plenty of examples of what works and does not work. To further set the stage, we have an elite that is arrogant, ignorant of how things are on Main Street and they are too greedy to make small sacrifices for their own common good.

So the dry tender is nicely packed beneath the dry cracked and peeled wood, and a nice fresh breeze is drifting through the pile; all that is missing is a spark.


Mon, 12/12/2011 - 11:29 | 1970068 ElvisDog
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We need to start some wine clubs in the U.S.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:10 | 1969454 i be julia
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I know I'm fucking crazy.

But I pray for mass exodus to prevent a war.

Those European cocksuckers love blood.

Just my two cents.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:19 | 1969472 WhiteNight123129
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Don´t hold your breath, the war will not be bewteen teh Europeans, maybe elsewhere but not within Europe. There is not enough integration for the Euro to function, but there is too much integration for people to start a war within Europe. (From a European). I would return the compliment about loving blood, look the wars you guys have in America. And I thought people from your blog liked Ron Paul....

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:26 | 1969486 Ghordius
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don't feed the trolls, there is always some idiot shrieking for war - it's more about the simple belief that wars make the gold price go up...

remember that for some of our American Cousins war happens always "somewhere else that does not really exist"

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 11:21 | 1970016 Ahmeexnal
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Are you saying the wars that followed the collapse of Yugoslavia never took place?

Sure, it would NEVER happen in europe.

Now there's something for you to think about, during that splitsecond between the shotgun clicking and your brains splattering the wall.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:20 | 1969475 GoldBricker
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Those European cocksuckers love blood.

They could be worse: at least they don't love plugging their own blogs on other people's blogs, with some throwaway comment as fig leaf.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:10 | 1969455 achmachat
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...your opinion which is of no consequence at all...

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:11 | 1969456 sabra1
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what Moody's really meant, was:

"the summit has failed to produce "decisive policy measures"  that favor bond holders.

 am i right, or what?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:31 | 1969485 gojam
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I think you're mistaking the purpose of the summit with the consequences if it had been successful and then suggesting that those consequences, if the summit had been successful, was the purpose.

Rating Agencies and bond holders just happen to be looking for the same things, confidence and security.


Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:11 | 1969457 topcallingtroll
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Deflation to the left of me.
Deflation to the right of me.

However a number 1 supersized at mcdonalds is up a buck 50 from 2007.

Goes to show inflation in the things you need, deflation in those you dont.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:14 | 1969465 GoldBricker
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Or maybe deflation in the purchases you've already made, inflation in the ones you still have to make. Declining income stream, increasing expenditure stream; like the ghostbusters, don't let the streams cross.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:22 | 1969477 WhiteNight123129
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Yes that is correct, this is not atypical though. In the long stagflation end of growth cycle and limits on the population growth, basic necessities go up, discretionary stuff down. The question is what role Gold plays in such a context. I know Jim Rogers is long sugar.... Wait for hard commodities and soft commodities to crash and buy buy buy. For Gold, I guess until the carry trade squeeze is unsqueezed it will not do fantastic. If you are short VALE you are hedging a bit of that.


Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:54 | 1969517 topcallingtroll
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Thingies with elastic demand and supply curves usually dont fare well in an inflation, losing the most ground.

Plastic gizmos from china.
Prostitution profit margins.

Low efficiency necessary services will fare better.
Plumbing, medicine, etc

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:12 | 1969459 GoldBricker
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Another summit, another announcement. Moody's can just change the dates and keep running this same text after every summit until something really changes, in which case we won't need Moody's to tell us about it.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:15 | 1969462 DollarDive
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  • Europes going down
  • US is in debt
  • Foreclosures & Unemployment at home
  • XMAS is in 13 days  (Oh shit).
Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:31 | 1969495 spankfish
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No presents for you Grinch.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:52 | 1969515 Element
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You need more popcorn

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:14 | 1969463 billybobtx
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Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:37 | 1969498 Cassandra Syndrome
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Moody Bitchez....

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:14 | 1969464 rufusbird
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I suspect that, as the scenario as described, plays out, we will read about more suggestions of capital controls...

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:18 | 1969469 Esso
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Europe is fixed, Europe is broken, Europe is fixed, Europe is broken, Europe is fixed, Europe is broken...

Cripes, these people need to find a hobby or something.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:20 | 1969476 topcallingtroll
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I think they have one!

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 11:23 | 1970040 Ahmeexnal
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They do. It's called genocide.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:19 | 1969473 Global Hunter
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If they're using that language and openly talking about Euro country exits and multiple defaults even if to say that is not their thesis but a possibility if certain conditions are not met would suggest to some of us here that this thing is about to topple over very quickly and they have no other option now but to admit it. 

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:22 | 1969479 PulauHantu29
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Deflation followed by servere inflation say Rogoff and Reinhart in their book if i understaood it correctly.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:44 | 1969504 Bobbyrib
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I got junked for stating this opinion three days ago.. I completely agree, btw.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:59 | 1969529 WonderDawg
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Yep, same here. There is no playbook for the current situation, so gather information, analyze it, and draw your own conclusions. Groupthink is strong here.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 09:50 | 1969684 Calmyourself
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Yes, deflation first as it is necessary to set up the system for the big print followed by rampant inflation.  However, if any of you smarter than me finance types would hazard a guess at where on the timeline we are that would be useful even if only informed speculation.  I see us only 2/3rds down the deflation path, 1+ year for the inflation..

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 15:41 | 1971239 WonderDawg
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The timeline is the big question mark. If I knew the answer to that, I'd be a bazillionaire. I'd look more to the price action for a guide, rather than the timeline. I think once we take out the 2009 lows in the equity markets, it will be time to cash out the shorts, load up on PMs, and wait it out.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:58 | 1969527 Element
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Nah, the MMT guys pissed all over that book's assertion that deficits and unaffordable spending are bad ... not going to happen ... we're going to be ok ... there are mouse clicks now.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:37 | 1969482 simone
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Europe could pay down some debt by imposing a small tax on individuals' excessive capital.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:58 | 1969526 topcallingtroll
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I think you have more capital than you need. I want the government to take it from you and give it to me.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 09:02 | 1969538 Element
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You got my vote

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 09:13 | 1969569 GoldBricker
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Q: What is 'excessive'?

A: Anything more than what I have

France already imposes a 'wealth tax' on the 2500 or so richest individuals. Is France's govt debt paid down? You sound like someone who needs more than one guess.

"He who robs Peter to pay Paul will always have Paul's enthusiastic support"  -- George Bernard Shaw

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 10:00 | 1969606 simone
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Think of capital taxes as balancing income taxes.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 09:52 | 1969690 Calmyourself
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Absolutely, they could also make a dent in Global warming by removing a small portion of your oxygen hence less carbon dioxide..  When Government becomes the playmaker isntead of the referee we are all in trouble as we can see.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 11:36 | 1970097 StychoKiller
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Kindergarten and it's notions of "fairness":  thatta way -------------------->

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 08:01 | 1973185 DrunkenMonkey
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Some countries, like France, already have a wealth tax. Next idea ?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:29 | 1969490 apberusdisvet
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The  NWO has hit a small bump in the road; the propaganda machine is working overtime.  Can they make policy without referenda; i.e. the voice of the sheeple; or will they go full fascist?

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:31 | 1969493 overmedicatedun...
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crime and fear is in an inflation, hope and justice is in a depression, .

Elites drink the blood of our children and smile at us with crimson teeth.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:05 | 1969524 swani
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It sounds like they want Italy's and everyone else's gold to collateralise the new debt necessary to 'save the Euro'. These shenanigans seem just the prequel to that, pushing everyone to the edge of a cliff and hanging them there like Suge Knight and Vanilla Ice. Knight got the rights to Ice Ice Baby this way, it's very effective. They know exactly what methods to use since most people are afraid of death, political or otherwise. Who could forget Lehman's.

I doubt that they will not stop until they have all of the gold in the world in their vaults and the tax payers enslaved for life. Then, it's my guess, they'll switch to a new gold backed currency that they will control, and the games will begin all over again

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 09:00 | 1969533 midgetrannyporn
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Because everyone respects Moody's opinion sooo much. roflmao

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 09:16 | 1969581 eddiebe
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I wouldnt invest a single FRN with any of the many geniuses that listen to moody or any of their ilk.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 09:18 | 1969589 Caggge
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Bankers: You need to give us all your money or the world is going to end!!

Lawmakers: If you give us a cut we will get you all the money in the world!!

Ratings agency: I will put fear into the people if I get my cut!!

Sheeple: They must be telling the truth. They wouldn't lie to us just to benefit themselves!!

The truth: The only way to get rid of a cancer is to cut it out completely. Fuck the lying bankers, lawmakers, and ratings agencies. Let their world end. They are the ones whose stupidity, corruption and greed caused this problem. They need to be the last to be paid....not the first.

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