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More Horrible News For Merkel As German Pirate Party Gets 40% Of CDU Vote In Berlin
Just when you thought the news couldn't get any more bizare, we get this from Bloomberg;
- GERMAN PIRATE PARTY TAKES 9% IN BERLIN, ZDF EXIT POLL SHOWS
- MERKEL'S CDU TAKES 23% IN BERLIN, ZDF EXIT POLL SHOWS
- GERMAN SPD TAKES 28.5% IN BERLIN, ZDF EXIT POLL SHOWS
- ZDF EXIT POLL SHOWS POSSIBLE SPD-GREENS COALITION IN BERLIN
This is just a guess, but when almost 10% of Germans want the pirates to be in charge, you may have a political problem on your hands.
Germany's centre-left Social Democrats beat Angela Merkel's conservatives in a regional election in the city-state of Berlin on Sunday, handing the chancellor her sixth defeat in seven elections this year.
The SPD won 29.5 percent of the vote in Berlin, down from 30.8 percent in 2006 in Germany's largest city with 3.4 million inhabitants, according to an exit poll on ARD television. SPD Mayor Klaus Wowereit appeared to be headed for a third five-year term, with the Greens as his most likely coalition partner.
The CDU won 23.5 percent, up slightly from 21.3 percent in 2006 but well below the 40 percent the party used to win in Berlin in the 1980s and 1990s. The Greens won 18 percent, up from 13.1 percent in 2006, and the Left party fell to 11.5 percent from 13.4 percent. The Pirate Party won a stunning 8.5 percent.
Merkel's centre-right coalition suffered more bad news in the Berlin election when their junior coalition partners at the national level, the Free Democrats, failed to clear the five percent threshold -- the fifth time in seven elections this year the FDP. The FDP plunged to 2 percent, down from 7.6 percent in 2006.
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First projection:
CDU 28.7 SPD 23.2 Greens 18.4 Linke 11.5 FDP 2.0 Pirates 8.9
you flipped CDU and SPD projection numbers.
Oh, you're right. Sorry - cannot edit any longer.
voter participation: 58 -> 59.5
Am I living in a horror movie?
This is insane!
No, it's an episode of Star Trek and you're the guy in the landing party wearing a red shirt.
For some reason, I can't get this image of the German Pirate Party candidates in Berlin wearing those puffy shirts from that Jerry Seinfeld episode, out of my head...
Q: What does the Pirate Party want to take over?
A: PARRRRliament!
+1 You made me actually say it.
I congratulate Germans on their good sense this time round. They are switching their vote to piracy, instead of Nazism.
The terrorist party?
They're taking the jobs of the old English Privateers :(
I say old chap dey tuk our jobs!!!!
spiral, looks like you pissed off a nazi...
Apparently none of the idiots here bothered to click the link to read what the Pirate Party stands for. Since you are all too lazy and are willing to be lead by a bullshit headline/article written by some Tyler wanna-be not worthy of being on this blog; the Pirate Party stands for --- civil liberities, against monoplies, against genetic patents, in favor of open government, and against internet censorship which is to the benefit of morons everywhere.
Oh PLEASE...
And you based this opinion on what???
well, ok, maybe here are a few bots like you trying to spread disinfo about the pirate party
He is right. I just read what the Spiegel had to say about them (The Pirate Party), naming them the sliver of the electorate that all parites most vie for : The young and educated.
THese folks apparently began by taking on internet-related causes and then branched out into "citizen's rights" issues. THey obviously appealed to voters and are now promising a "breath of fresh air" in the Berlin parliament. They admit that they have no experience in parliamentary procedure but call themselves "fast learners" - I am totally excited about these guys.
Go Pirates!!!
I wouldn't jump so fast saying everyone didn't read it. I sure did. And they sound pretty damn cool to me. Sounds like a geek's party. Something I could appreciate.
They're basically civil libertarians, Jeffeson would be proud. How can anyone here at ZeroHedge be against freedom?
lulz :) .. We're all wearing red shirts now.
What end of the death ray are you on if you want to support Ron Paul or End the Fed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3cL1Aofy90
please explain to a West coast american what those numbers mean and why they are a 'horror movie'
see below. This is nothing to start shivering about. As in every larger, established democracy, major policy moves or external shocks in case of missing real eligible alternatives either massively lowers democratic participation levels or shifts votes to protest movements. The Pirates are such a protest movements. Germany has been experiencing this since the reunification in almost any state election, but the most important point is, none of these movements have really lasted due to a lack of constructive policy.
Shiver me timbers!
Sounds like chaos to me. Very "un-German" and something Helmut Kohl alluded to to me when he criticized Ms Merkel's "anti-Europe'ness." a good criticism i might add. A centralized Germany is a relatively new construct. The emergence of a "states right" Germanicus would be a profound change indeed as it is the centralized variant that basically is the EU right. Now everyone say ARRRRRRrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhh.
Well, one may have different views about Kohl's achievements but his problem has always been a limited instrumental toolbox. To me, he now is very much worried about his legacy, a politically and economically united Europe. His toolbox was both domestically and internationally very much limited to massive log-rolling and - in the long term and regarding structure - pretty risky concessions. He 'mastered' the reunification, quickly shifting the public eye from the structural issues that remained for long. It was a risky move then, and he reiterated that same move with the Euro. The lose contracts and opportunities for moral hazard by peripheral countries seem to have been his concessions to these countries so the would accept a loss of flexibility and competitiveness especially in the case of economic downturn and a loss of the right to print. As with the reunification, the structural flaws remained, only this time is won't turn out that lucky.
Why insane ? Maybe the poeple realized the banks are pirates so we need a ship too!
Pirates > Banksters
Hmm - I thought the "pirates" were the freetard party.
Really....aren't pirates already in charge?
Yes absolutely ..when your society has a centralist monopoly (Govt) as its 'authority' and not a free society based on individualism it is by nature already absolutely corrupt
Centralising authority (ie. a power grab) in Govt is the very anathama and enemy of our individual freedom. The Pirate Party promoting 'freedom' and 'open Govt' is an oxymoron. All Parties/politicians promoting both are stupid and completely naive (ie. born yesterday/stupid)
If you truly want freedom you don't want any form of Govt. Period
no, mr goodie-two-shoes, those are criminals, not pirates
ARRRR!!! Bitchez!
Roberto Clemente, bitchez!
I'll see you a Willie Stargell and raise you a Ralph Kiner.
How could you leave out Honus Wagner, perhaps the most famous German Pirate (or at least the one with the most valuable baseball card)?
You are a day too early. International talk like a pirate day is tomorrow, September 19th.
everyday is pirate day
if you BE a pi-rat!
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BiCheZ!!!
+1 for the widest post of the thread.
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seems the pirate party site is down
http://www.piratenpartei.de/Politik/Zensur/Netzsperren-EU/English
here's the cache
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IwIxJzAOR4IJ:www.pi...
They forgot to raise the mainsail.
and the Junge Piraten
google translate of the kinders site
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.junge-pira...
No wonder that these Pirates are bad news for the status quo. Maybe we need an International Pirates Party.
Party Platform
The party supports the preservation of current civil rights in telephony and on the Internet; in particular, it opposes the European data retention policies and Germany's new Internet censorship law called Zugangserschwerungsgesetz. It also opposes artificial monopolies and various measures of surveillance of citizens.
The party favors the civil right to information privacy and reforms of copyright, education, computer science and genetic patents.
It promotes in particular an enhanced transparency of government by implementing open source governance and providing for APIs to allow for electronic inspection and monitoring of government operations by the citizen.[3]
now, that is "bizarre"
thxz mucho, ground-pounder!
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Pirates are certainly more interesting than banksters.
Die Dreigroschenoper: Lotte Lenya Singing "Seeräuber Jenny" (Pirate Jenny)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec0clERjQ5A
As in almost all larger German cities, CDU plays an inferior role. Concerning the pirate party, it's actually a constantly reshuffling group of people and interests without a strong political message. But that vote in a larger context indeed shows what frustration level there is among the people with the political establishment and their approach to the macro-economic issues that truely matter.
Not a problemo. Just call the pirates terrorist and enemies of the state. Racist might work too but I'm not so sure the whole racist dynamic is so much in play over there?
dissapointed with the weekend...was expecting more bearish news out of Europe..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/8746262/Woman-su...
Bearish - lol.
Anyway - check out the situation Greece vs Turkey about the crude oil prospection. Military intervention "possible"
Good for a quick 100 on the Dow
Another Pile of Hope and Chameleon Shittm
Germany has been a strange place ever since:
http://youtu.be/EW2tGDjyEAw
Looks like an episode from Sprockets....except I don't see Dieter anywhere
Dis is the time on sprockets vhen we revolt.
Touch my monkey, love him!
Whoa! Totally strange!
"Gorgeous Tiny Chicken Machine Show" -- FTW!
i like pirates :D
FTP is done !
The File Transfer Protocol will live forever
Bye (or Quit)
Everyone knows real couriers of teh Warez use FSP.
Princess Buttercup > Merkel , Bitchez.
Finally a pArty I could vote for
Not sure how relevant this still is but a German friend of mine joked during the Cold War that if the Soviets invaded West Berlin the City's papers the next day would read "Right Wing Takeover"
The signs that said "You are now entering the American Sector" could be turned around to say "POW Camp"
I think we in America in general do not have a good feel for what has been going on in Europe from the persepctive of psychology.
Since the Euro was brought in the drumbeat has been perpetual that NATIONALISM IS HORRIBLE. Only Good Europeans deserve to be elected to office. Nationalism is worse than racism and accusing political parties of nationalism is a step towards defeating them.
So in general Eurosceptics are fringe parties. From this it becomes easy to declare opposing bailouts to be NATIONALISM.
That's why there's no one for the people to vote for.
Exactly. Just because I dont want to bail out the rest of Europe (because of their bureaucratic government) doesnt make me want to attack other countries/people.
i don't really know where to begin or end with all this; but it's far more than nationalism. it's a jingonism based on the concept of volk -- folk.
the germans, pre @1900, were constituted of small 'fiefdoms' -- wesphalia, bavaira, etc. and this is exactly what the rest of the world wanted -- the fear of Fredrick the Great was still vivid.
now, we (the anlgos) have done everything in our power to keep these people fractured -- and for good reason, the moment they are truly united, it's all over. THEY WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD. end of statement, period.
you see, the german people, unlike the brits (who are technically 'germanic'), think in terms of the greater nation-state; and view their actions in relation to it -- we anglos are concerned with mine and how to get yours.
this departure to the pirate party is startling! this is not, mind you, 10% of german voters, this is 10% of the FUCKING CDU -- christian democrats! the old fucking guard. this is the people of helmut kohl. this is the progeny of Marshall saying, in effect, fuck off, we're through playin around...we want to unfetter ourselves from the lazy south (europe).
now, what do you think is gonna happen when the US (an the UK) lacks the cache to keep the scandanavian and germanic peoples divided? NO! the great conspiracy is NOT to unite europe, it is and has ALWAYS been to hobble the germans. we've done well; and the euro was an attempt to neutralize the potency of the reunification of germany.
think this stuff through, people. not everything is what it seems.
yes, german ascendency gives this old saxon night-sweats. terrors, really.
good bye euro; hello volkmarks!
janus
Any party with the name Pirate is a party I can believe in.
Yeah, but the media smear campaign will just dub you a "keelhauler."
The media can walk the plank for all I care. :)
F**k the media and the typeface it rode in on.
Grapples! Prepare to board!
Getting keelhauled under a Leopard II Battle Tank would be a real bitch.
when this anti-status-quo thingy goes on, we will soon see some Rothschild or Dimon or Blankfein doing sympathy-baiting speeches like 'PLEASE support your local trillionaire or we will disappear from the planet's surface...sob..' or the like.
Where to now?
There isn't politicial support for The Bernanke/Geithner inflate to the moon scenario in Germany.
Merkel's defeat will be a red letter day in European history.
SPD is even more pro-Euro than CDU..
Say thanks to Captain Morgan he's comandeering this shithouse ship on a circumbendibus straight to Davey Jones's locker.
.......da xxx rum bender more at 8-ball romp rotted my weekend brains vote piratez warez biyatchez........
Funniest head line of the year. Perhaps they will have the banksters walk the plank. I think some pirate justice is called for.
merkel looses ....bloomberg
is it bullish?
(sp) bullshit
9% for the pirates in Berlin means nothing. As the city is among the poorest with high unemployment. The sentiment is different than in the important western parts of the country were all the industrial production resides. Berlin is the home of a bunch of loosers.
The election in Baden-Würtemberg in March 2011 only yielded the pirates less than 1%. So, dont say 9% of the Germans. Its 9% of Berlin people.
By the way: I voted the pirates in March 2011.
A bit misleading headline.
Sounds like 40% of previous election CDU voters switched to Pirate party - while in reality CDU share of votes of 23% is basically unchanged (or a slight increase) from 5 years ago, and the Pirates get almost 9%. (And yes I know 9% is about 40% of 23%.)
Schade! http://www.die-partei.de/
Mike Leach for Chancellor!!!!!
Even though I share most of your great linking of dots, abstraction and foresight, I would interpret this fact a little different, Tyler. With CDU adding and the reigning SPD (in the city state of Berlin) losing slightly, you see a shift to or at least manifestation of power by the traditionally two large political parties in Germany. You need to take into consideration that weeks after Fukushima, the Greens accoding to polls would have come to power in Berlin. So, the actual effect of the sovereign crisis seems to be a gathering around the established camps.
So, in essence, and that surprises me, I would consider it supportive for Merkel and her European economic policy. If you look at sociodemographics, a Berlin state election can by no means be extrapolated to a national sentiment, though.
Yeah, go Pirates! Let's make this the 3rd Party in the USA.
Will never work. Americans want only Repooplicans and Democraps.
it's captain...err...make that chancellor jack sparrow mate...savvy?
That's on just one day, involving an election. As the debt crisis plays out, we may see more demonstrative expressions of public sentiment. In this phase of the currency collapse, more people are certain to lose their jobs. The patient may be in Code Blue at any moment.
http://georgesblogforum.com
A party I'd support if they're anything like "THE CRIMSON PERMANENT ASSURANCE"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=errwLVgHpXY&feature=related
From Wikipedia:
In June 2009, Bundestag member Jörg Tauss, who has been charged with the crime of child pornography possession and distribution, left the SPD and joined the Pirate Party[8] after the Zugangserschwerungsgesetz was passed. He said that while he supports the fight against child pornography, the means are unacceptable.
In late August 2009, Herbert Rusche, one of the founding members of the German Green Party and, in the 1980s, the first openly homosexual member of parliament in Germany, joined the Pirate Party.
Seems like there's a joke in there somewhere...
haha, so true. That's only the best evidence that the pirate party is a strange mingling of individuals, united in their protest, but with different values, ideas and a different sense of acceptable means. When I read about the pirate party accepting Rausch, I could not believe such an at least meta-liberal and civil rights party would in their early, assumed to be idealisitc times, sell any potential credibility out of opportunism only to benefit by having someone with experience in and links to the political establishlent and probably even more importantly, media exposure (be it very negative at that time).
Arguing, their joint political issue was not defending child pornography but the means by which such crimes are prosecuted is about the worst political spin ever. Just as if the Obama admin would spin the nomination of Summers as econ advisor by saying, we want him, because he not only knows, but ideologically co-invented the fucked up system, we want to go after.
ANd the people from catholic church fuck arround in schools and get away with it by saying "sorry". No prosecution whatsoever. That is sick.
The pirates just want free internet, thats all.
Well, the Pirate party decided and passed a majority motion just these days asking to abolish the german incest paragraph (§173) in federal law which itself is the base for any and all child protective legislation in Germany. That much for how funny they are.
The catholics on the other hand have the power to do whatever they want, as seen in when that pope comes here the next week people are forbidden to open their windows on the papal route, and the police seriously had the nerve to state that poeple not abiding this newly instated directive will face dire consequences.
Fabulous!
Yarrr!
I would vote for the Pirate Party if I where eligible to vote here
Parrot with a Teleprompter will get some votes.
I don't think he'll get as many in 2012 as he did in 2008...
;o)
And who told you that those ominous 40% off the CDU got straight to the Pirates? Where do you get your numbers from? Your teacup bottom where the leafs float? The CDU did not loose 40% of their voters base nor of their votes today compared to 2006, so what are you talking about in your screaming headline? The CDU has not played a noticeable part in Berlin since 2001 when they lost the elections and the mayor office to the SPD (Social democrats). The Pirates have no clue, they are a complete joke and will be smashed into bitter reality soon by the established parties and the burreaucrats, sooner or later they will end as established and boring as the Greens have become, the latter also starting as a mere joke in regards to the established system, and now look at them - fat, stout and complacent.
Berlins political situation is not of real importance for the federal gouvernment and federal elections - the southern (Baden-Wuerttemberg, Bavaria) and, in part, the western states (Hesse, North-Rhine-Westphalia) and maybe Saxonia as the only state in the east are important for the federal elections outcome, the city states (Berlin, Hamburg, Bremen) are definitively not of that importance at all.
People are utterly frustrated with the established parties, voter turnout was only 59%, so a lot of mostly young party people obviously voted in a joking manner for the only alternative there is besides the ridiculous neo-nazis no one cares for.
Berlin is red, an old saying goes. The Nazis had a hard time in the twenties and early thirties to even get a foot on the floor here in Socialistcommunistville, this city has been and is a place filled with weirdos, queers, unemployed, party maniacs and tourists. No industry worth mentioning, a few rich, a lot of dull boring lower middle-class (on the descending node) a mass of unloved (to state it mildly) immigrants, mostly turks and arabs, and one of the highest crime rates and the highest debt of all german states, always a footstep apart from forced administration by the federal gouvernment. A cheap and rude place to be, depressing in winter, mostly filthy and covered with doog turd and a population with the undisputed worst taste in clothing and style of all major cities worldwide.
You forgot the Thai hookers. Or did they all leave when I did?
Thai hookers? Maybe still here, but mostly that part of business has been trsnaferred to the bulgarians and russians.
Is This is a 'Wind-Up'?
where's me treasure, Pegleg?
Don't worry, an awful lot of people living of Hartz IV in Berlin. Wowereit won and the party goes on. Germany is doing very well, it's party time. They have a polizical group in the capital Berlin, die Piraten Partei, fighting for free Internet or for whatsoever. They made 9% aus dem Stande heraus. The Germans, dear US friends, they don't have any problems at all. They will come up for Italy and for all the peanuts such as Greece etc. And bunga bunga Silvio knows it very well! So go for EUR!
Johnny Depp saves the world... imagne that.
How can anyone in their right mind vote for The Pirates ?
It's only the top of the 2nd and they're are already trailing the Dodgers 0-3!
A modern pirate would plunder the government's ships and return the booty to the taxpayer.
Sign me up, Capt. Ragnar Danneskjöld.. I want my shit back.
Pirates are looking better everyday.
Looks like this Marque and Reprisal may come into handy after all if this pirate party gets out of hand. Since it wasn't good enough to use for Bin Laden though we might check to see if Germany has any oil before we go flying off the handle with aptness.