More Posturing Out Of Europe: Franc Surges After SNB's Bluff Is Called, No Peg Announced, "More Of The Same"

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Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:10 | 1568235 anynonmous
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Schork calling for 120 - 130 oil  among other things cites the gold ratio 15/1

sees gas (cars) bottoming at 3.25 before climbing back to 4 towards year end

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:10 | 1568238 Ben Probanke
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this aint CNBC here.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:30 | 1568261 HelluvaEngineer
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Actually it was Bloomberg, but yeah.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:39 | 1568270 Thomas
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We are doomed--truly doomed--when every central banker in the world is attempting to undermine their own currency. Fools or criminals: heaven only knows.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:10 | 1568237 lolmao500
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I want the silver/gold ratio at 30 or lower...where it should be.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:15 | 1568243 Raymond K Hassel
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How will the GNB react to the news? Oh that's right, Gold don't play dat. [thwack]

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:13 | 1568244 speconomist
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Hildebrand... please someone help me get rid of him!

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 08:21 | 1568345 Ratscam
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come on, let the brilliant hildebrand, geithner, summer, bernanks, etc. do their work. they,re doing it in the people,s interest. that is why gold prices are at their lowest levels.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:17 | 1568247 PaperBear
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The Swiss legislature should pass that bill before them that authorises an alternative franc that is backed by gold and perhaps silver.

All the funds going into the fiat franc will flood into the gold franc.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:19 | 1568251 jjsilver
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Gold bars, coins sold at 750% premium on buying frenzy in Dubai

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:46 | 1568278 Snidley Whipsnae
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We continue toward the point where no amount of fiat will purchase any amount of PMs...

Way to go Ben! Keep it us and soon 10oz of gold will buy that empty $1Million macmansion on the water! WooHoo!

The crash is going to make Weimar and Zimbabwe look like a walk in the park...


Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:23 | 1568256 speconomist
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WB7, please, we need some artwork of uber-powerless Hildebrand, a.k.a. Eddie Munster.


I would like to get it in a mug or something.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:25 | 1568259 Oh regional Indian
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Currency race to the bottom.

Wait till countries like India, who have so much (their entire, recently bloated middle class, probably 2-300 million strong and growing fatter by the day on cheap money and cheap credit) riding on strong dollar/euro/GBP and weak rupee..... any shift is SHTF. They are all trying furiously now to serve the local market, but no go.

Of course, rate decisions in India happen via the red-phone to the BIS, but still, the rupee has a long way to fall to hit anywehre near it's real "value", which ironically, would have been really strong if the economy had remained largely agrarian (yep, food crisis will make a whole new set of millionaires and billionaires)..... but the farming sector has been gutted. 

Dollar/Yen/Euro et. al. look like they are all perched on top of a very greasy pole right now. When the real slide begins, I shudder to think of global consequences. Coming soon too, clearly.


Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:32 | 1568265 speconomist
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Keynesian politicians and central bankers in India too?

How much are they wasting keeping the ruppe devalued per year?

I am trying to wonder how much would the Indian people prosper with a stronger currecy cheapening their imports, higher real wages, more purchasing power of savings, etc.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:40 | 1568272 Oh regional Indian
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Spec, India is still a commonwealth nation. Still a brit colony, thinly disguised as the world's largest demoncrazy. 

Yes, deficit finance and asset bubbles are very much the name of the game here as well.

If only the establishment had the real interest of Indian people (I suppose you can say that for any nation in the world) at heart, eh? Nope, we are all in the same boat and India is probably in the crosshairs for some serious population reduction, I imagine.


Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:58 | 1568295 speconomist
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Do you mind if I ask you how do you track when someone answers your posts? Haven't found a good way, I was lucky that I refreshed the tab to see if you had answered.

Also, thanks for the info.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 08:00 | 1568299 Oh regional Indian
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Not sure Spec. I just refresh every so often on pages where a conversdation looked promising. in fact, I don't think ZH has that feature, yet.

And you are welcome.


Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:31 | 1568262 unununium
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Apparently the Swiss and Japanese can't fight the Fed, either.  Major AmeroAnglo victories being scored in the ugliest dog / best deck chair arrangement / best looking horse in the glue factory contest.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:31 | 1568263 Cdad
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Hey, look everyone...the criminal syndicate known as Wall Street is beating the crap out of the US dollar again this morning.  Isn't that great?  Yeah...nothing says "investment" like currency debasement.  Probably Goldman continuing to price in a QE3 that is not coming.  Thanks Goldman Sachs.

And here...folks were just about to get a break on the price of gasoline.  Oh well, too bad sheeple.  Sorry middle class.  No lower food prices for you this year.  The people at Goldman Sachs need to make their million dollar bonuses, so your currency has to be butchered, day in and day out.  Yep, just has to be this way.

Sorry Average buying power for you.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:49 | 1568281 HelluvaEngineer
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But just look, Cdad.  CNBC says that futures, while previously even, are now climbing!  This is obviously great for America. 

...and as usual they have no friggin clue why it's happening.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 09:22 | 1568574 Cdad
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It is a crime wave like never seen before, brother Engineer.  When this all breaks, and there is no one left in the market, maybe then the BlowHorn [CNBC] crew will have a meeting to discuss their absolutely nonexistent match their ever shrinking audience.


Wed, 08/17/2011 - 08:55 | 1568452 Ricky Bobby
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+1 Great post as usual!

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 07:42 | 1568276 sudzee
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Millions of fx accounts, at huge leverage, trading a trillion a day leaves gov'ts powerless to effect political will. Everybody in a race to the bottom to save their economies but it's just a bog circle jerk. Fiat has become the best joke dejour. Although countries try as they may, truth be, that although they can print fiat they can't print GDP to save their political lives. Government is suppossed to be a derivitve of the will of its people not the other way around. We really need a financial reset soon and thousands of well used public gallows for all political parisites.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 08:34 | 1568363 falak pema
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The Euro zone farce is now reaching fever pitch. This whole game of EU was a political construct to bring Germany under control of its partners with an economic Euro zone shell to please them at minimal cost for abandoning their sacred DM and giving the rest of europe their benign economic/financial umbrella. 

Now that the shit has hit the sovereign fans based on private banker greed having sucked EU zone into US led ponzi, and Political cowardice on both sides of the pond since december 2008, letting this cancer grow, we are back to the POLITICAL drawing board to recharter at the 11th hour the new economic/financial course of a floundering EU.

Plan A : Tighten the political cooperation through measures taken in 2012-2013 period to make the deal federal. As there is NO federal fiscal, financial mechanism capable of resisting to the upcoming sovereign bond meltdown. Unless the Euro bond emerges. This can ONLY occur if the political instruments are in place to define and have VOTED fundamental changes to the treaty in each major EU nation. This will take time and will be fueled by the ongoing crisis. So EU is at the cross roads. Either we go federal and have the political ambtion to do it, or its  Plan B.

Plan B : Back to nation state economies. Or to two sub zone economies, North and South Europe. This Plan B is the death of European geo-political power for fifty years. So the people of Europe have to choose if they want to be collectively a BIG player on the global scene thirty years down the road. Or, if they are content to be a Swiss type gruyere cheese selling bunch of nations, each living in its own 'confy' zone, hoping there is no Atilla the Hun down the road. Tall order, as now the rest of the world is coming out of its 'inferiority complex' relative to the Western world. The age of Enlightenment is over for Europe. As for the US of A.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 09:06 | 1568497 valuetrader
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My comment on the CHF is that actually the SNB can achieve something. They've done it before when they put negative rates in place - very negative too and crushed the franc many years ago. The SNB has the ability to push the FX fwd market into deeply negative yields (for people who trade fx) which means that speculators will have very negative interest rates on their CHF long positions (I think even -10% is possible if the SNB wants to). This is why they can move the market. I don't know to what extent this CHF appreciation is due to leveraged players and to what extent it is the result of people converting savings into CHF but I suspect there is a lot of leveraged players and the SNB can really push them very hard and cause losses. I wouldn't buy CHF now. This is just an opinion.

Wed, 08/17/2011 - 11:29 | 1568941 Downtoolong
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"More Of The Same"

= More of the Shame

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