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Much Ado About No Greek Headlines

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In an emailed statement from the Greek finance ministry, we are told not to expect to hear anything from anyone about anything. Sounds like they have it all under control then...




The call is also being attended by George Zanias, the chairman of the council of economic advisers and Elias Plaskovitis, the ministry secretary-general.

The market's initial reaction is to sell-off on this no news as ES moves towards the day's lows and EUR inches lower. Note also that XLF (the financials' ETF) did not participate on the upside ramp into the Europe close and is now at the day's lows -3.4%. WTI just cracked $85 (lows of day).



  • GREEK FINANCE MINISTRY SAYS NO CABINET MEETING PLANNED SEPT. 20 :-  Deny, Deny, Deny, or simply Lie, because this contrasts with earlier reports that G-Pap would convene a cabinet meeting after the call.

Source: Bloomberg


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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:07 | 1685198 Henry Chinaski
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All of the interesting stuff happens after hours.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:10 | 1685213 gojam
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But I've found this reconstruction of what is actually happening.



Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:16 | 1685242 Spirit Of Truth
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Yep.  One possibility is the 9/20 Greek default call is correct, i.e., Greece isn't announcing anything, they simply won't tender payment when due.  That'd certainly be a statement in and of itself.  Odds are low, but it's possible that Athens has read the writing on the wall and is ready to Iceland their creditors.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:44 | 1685344 TruthInSunshine
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I am laughing my ass off at this moment, and I pass thy gift to you now:

EU to call for US and Japanese action on public deficits at G20 this week according to an EU document


09-19 13:05: EU to call for US and Japanese action on public deficits at G20 this week according to an EU document


I am happy to see the EU call out little Keebler Elf, Timmay Geithner.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:22 | 1685410 Spirit Of Truth
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No, no....Geithner is Hermy the elf from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer and the Island of Misfit Toys:


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:08 | 1685199 LaLiLuLeLo
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blackout bitchez

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:49 | 1685362 tmosley
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They say no news is good news, so it makes sense that no news would cause a sell-off.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:08 | 1685201 Goldenballs
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Silence tells more than a 1000 words.They are totally bankrupt,bring on the implosion of the banking system.Gold and Silver to infinity.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:09 | 1685206 DogSlime
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Greece is suffering from Plaskovitis?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:10 | 1685208 Mongo
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Is that repackaged bullshit or the real underlying bullshit?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:47 | 1685356 william shatner
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If LEAP/E2020 had to summarize the "Hollywood style" or "Fox News" (11) scenario, we would have the following synopsis: "While the US iceberg is ramming the Titanic, the crew leads the passengers in search of dangerous Greek terrorists who may have planted bombs on board!" In propaganda terms, it’s a known recipe: it’s a diversion to allow, first of all, the rescue of the passengers one wants to save (the informed elite who know very well that there are no Greek terrorists on board) since everyone can’t be saved; and then, hide the problem’s true nature for as long as possible to avoid a revolt on board (including some of the crew who sincerely believe that there really are bombs on board).


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:10 | 1685210 NotApplicable
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So, should I expect several unofficial announcements instead?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:10 | 1685211 bnbdnb
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Someone's selling gold to pay their bills. Down $30 in 1/2 hr.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:15 | 1685240 SheepDog-One
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Bankers already know the FOMC results, dumping their paper gold into the QE3 faceplant.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:48 | 1685591 Roger Knights
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UBS maybe?

Gold is going to hit these air pockets going forward, as Euro banks and countries run out of liquidity.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:10 | 1685212 FinalCollapse
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Sounds of silence...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:10 | 1685214 RobotTrader
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Outright chain-selling and liquidation of anything commodity-oriented.

Proceeds are promptly being used to buy more U.S. Treasuries, more U.S. Dollars, more AAPL, AMZN, CMG, or anything else that is "working"...


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:13 | 1685224 SheepDog-One
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LOL those people will soon be kornholed, just like you when you were lecturing everyone they better get all long at DOW 12,800 for that big 'debt ceiling rally' hey how'd that work out anyway?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:38 | 1685323 d00daa
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now it's a 'greece default rally', this asshole called dow 500+ when greece bites it.  the ultimate fade, his confirmation bias has gone full retard.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:39 | 1685326 Corn1945
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I noticed NFLX fell off your pump list.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:48 | 1685360 SheepDog-One
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Its one of Robos trading miracles, 'every post' momo shining star stocks just get erased when they suddenly tank, to be replaced by some new Momo stock fad. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:11 | 1685216 SheepDog-One
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I guess theyre figuring out the carrot and stick markets are no longer working.

BTW why is everyone on the edge of their seats waiting for a Greek miracle? This has gone on for months and only gotten worse, there IS no answer!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:12 | 1685221 cab economist
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Here we........ Gold dropping......... please move quietly to the EXITs

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:14 | 1685229 SheepDog-One
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Gold dropping = clearest sign possible QE will be a huge faceplant in 2 days.

Happy 'tradering'.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:36 | 1685315 Waffen
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or just an excuse for Bernake to say no commodity inflation?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:38 | 1685321 nope-1004
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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:52 | 1685346 SheepDog-One
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'No commodity inflation' because of a 1 day drop and then what? Bernank is going to trick someone with that? Even if gold is down some, its STILL up 800% over the last few years. 

No I really think the banks and Wall St traders know whats coming Thursday and are blowing out their paper gold now as last hurrah. But we shall see very soon.

I just keep getting this vision of analysts on Wednesday looking at the FOMC Bernank speech 'word jumble' trying to figure out which word means he's just delivered $3.5 trillion free dollars to Wall St.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:53 | 1685379 Waffen
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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:57 | 1685390 TradingJoe
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Yep me think so too, no money form Da Benster so no printing so no need for gold...jsut yet! Markets will tank then Benjo is coming to the rescue and rockets to..well fuck knows it just rockets to the moon or so, eh?!

I got the perfect recipe, I own PMs and PUTSSSSSSS! Its either/or, right?!?!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:15 | 1685237 papaswamp
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Perhaps it was a ' damn we're fucked' moment?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:16 | 1685243 TraderMark
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Good piece in the Economist on the world's future soldiers... err, I mean disaffected youth who can't find a job throughout the West.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:19 | 1685252 youngman
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When they used to have press releases every me this means something is one wants to be the bearer of bad news.....who wants to get in front of the mike and say we are bankrupt....Mr P...not.....but gold and silver are down...HUH????..I sometimes do not understand the world...we need to check up on the Dominos Pizza deliveries at the Fed, and the Greek thinks they are working overtime....

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:51 | 1685369 TruthInSunshine
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Central Banksters Like The Bernank & Trichet = The Men Who Stare At Goats (and PIIGS)

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:59 | 1686148 msamour
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Interesting reference to Domino's pizza, especially the link to Legatus. Speaking of which, it would be a good idea to keep an eye on when they have their next conference, and especially if they have an "unscheduled meeting", or emergency meeting. You never know how the markets might response to a major Legatus move.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:20 | 1685253 Let them eat iPads
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Troika is a Russian word for threesome.

I wonder what they're doing.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:20 | 1685254 wang (not verified)
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Buffett's (Berkshires) Billion Dollar IRS debt?


At December 31, 2010 and 2009, net unrecognized tax benefits were $1,005 million and $926 million, respectively.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:20 | 1685255 wombats
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Fear and Loathing in Athens, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Madrid, etc....

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:21 | 1685256 RobotTrader
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PM's getting sodomized by the Cartel.

Looks like a couple of commodity funds are probably going to get "Amaranthed" this week.

All pre-planned in order to prepare for the FOMC statement:  "There is no headline inflation risk".

More proof that physical markets do not matter.  It is all controlled by paper.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:27 | 1685282 Bastiat
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It is all controlled by paper.

Until the paper sellers can no longer meet delivery calls.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:58 | 1685399 citta vritti
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and when that happens, the delivery rules will be changed as need be

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:02 | 1685414 Bastiat
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Will new rules create physicial metal?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:32 | 1685302 SheepDog-One
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'It's all controlled by paper', LOL, until it suddenly isnt. And then some people will be holding bit of paper, others base metal coins.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:00 | 1685405 TradingJoe
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yeah Austrian Dukato.s baby !!! they are soo nice looking too!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:37 | 1685318 Iam Rich
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Sodomized indeed...hence whatever the news, it is fundamentally PM positive.  Gold just before CHF-EUR "peg" loses $50 in 5min on probably the most bullish PM news in weeks.  Oh well, we'll know soon enough, but not before the folks that matter know.  Anyway, reminds me of a quote from Dan Norcini about the pre Swissie "peg" gold takedown:

"To assume that the ECB, the Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, the BAnk of Canada, and any other major Central Bank of the West did not have previous knowledge of the plans by the Swiss National Bank to debase the Franc is to live in a fantasy land and be devoid of all sound wisdom. Of course they knew beforehand as something of this importance would not be done unilaterally by the Swiss."

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:50 | 1685364 bbq on whitehou...
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In 8 years we shall see if these prices are better then bond yields, bank CD's and even other investment options. Unless you think serious money play's cosino games.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:55 | 1685387 Robslob
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RototTrader...we call any drop in gold a "value added discount"...


Special thanks to Ben Bernank, JP Morgue, ShitiBank and all others who make days like today possible.



Fiat Currencies


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:24 | 1685270 RobotTrader
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Another "safe haven" today.  $120 to $345 in 3-yrs.

Gimme a break........

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:37 | 1685319 SheepDog-One
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All those crap stocks are being bought up because idits are convinced theyll always be bailed out and rescued no matter what....LOL, BIG haircuts right around the corner!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:53 | 1685374 bbq on whitehou...
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No. Its just games, children's play. Real money (dynastic money) play no such games.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:28 | 1685287 youngman
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And then you read that people are pulling their money out of Investment funds....75 billion was mentioned......but the market keeps going up.....who is doing this "buying"......ghosts....HFT´s....wierd

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:34 | 1685307 SheepDog-One
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Like one CNBC guy let slip last week from the trading floor 'Stocks air floating on air down here on the floor, nothing underneath, is what I'm being told', before they did a quick cut away from him.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:31 | 1685298 monopoly
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Yup, that is all we know how to do. "Charge It". What a country.

The yield on the 10 year is 1.93%. Are we back to WWII yields yet? Now this is scary.

Somebody knows something we don't.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:33 | 1685306 Conax
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<------Gold/Silver recover quickly

<------Gold drops even harder


The way gold and silver are being deflated, makes me wonder if it's preparatory to a big spike up on the news of a Greek default.

You all think the metals will recover quickly?


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:38 | 1685313 dwdollar
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What is Benny going to do? NOT print money??? Hahahahaha... LOL... lulz

That's a belly buster...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:42 | 1685329 SheepDog-One
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Thats right, not print money, wait till Thursday youll see. The bankers already saw the plan and are dumping their paper gold to pay the bills. 

Look at all the other commodities, are they saying 'Bens set to deliver massive QE3 free money bomb'? 


Oh and BTW, my statement to Ben on printing has always been 'Go ahead, I dare ya punk'! Because I would love to watch as oil and all the other commodities go up 20% REALLY think thats the plan when their boy Obama is already in the septic tank poll numbers? $5.50 gas? Yea sure.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:54 | 1685361 dwdollar
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No way. Insiders are doubling down right now. Chicken-shits are dumping. When was the last time Benny was in a jam and DIDN'T print money? What's gotten into you SheepDog-One?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:55 | 1685388 SheepDog-One
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LOL, we'll see very quickly. Remember it was me who said on the first FOMC 'no QE3', on Jackson Hole' 'no QE3' still against the heard but seeing no way will all this baked in QE be delivered....the whole point was carrot and stick the markets for the last 8 months.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:00 | 1685401 dwdollar
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He may hold out one more meeting. I doubt it though. Greece won't make it another month. We will see.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:05 | 1685419 TradingJoe
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Sheep baby you letting me down now, I was there and said it too, remember :)))?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:09 | 1685439 SheepDog-One
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So you think Bernank now thinks its 2009 again and has plenty of printing room? I still dont. No way do they induce $5 gas during election year.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:58 | 1685400 walküre
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Ben extended ZIRP. Additional quantitative easing when the previous rounds had limited effects on the general economy for Americans, is not practical.

Insiders got it wrong if true what you describe.

There will be a rude awakening come 20 and 21 of September, 2011.



Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:19 | 1685476 SheepDog-One
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I think rude awakening time is here, while everyone is certain Ben will now embark on huge trillions in more free money....also convinced the Euro prints wildly as well, nevermind Fridays comments from Germany that they will absolutely not support any such thing.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:51 | 1685368 nope-1004
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$5.50 gas or 10-11% unemployement?

Most don't understand $5.50 gas... they blame "big oil companies".  But Obama is on the hook for 10% + unemployment.

Plus, add in the unfunded liabilities that the aging population is screaming they deserve, and you get some very rational explanations as to why more printing MUST occur.  Inflation is already a problem but is being masked by ZIRP and manipulation.  The trend will continue.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:02 | 1685382 TruthInSunshine
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There's a direct loss of political support for all incumbents, and especially the POTUS, that's about 95% proportional, with rising gasoline/heating oil/utility prices.

We're actually in a depression right now, with real GDP contracting at about 5% to 8% annually (real inflation of at least 8% has been the only thing to keep nominal GDP barely above the red line).

With $5+ per gallon gas, even nominal GDP goes into a tailspin, as even the 20% of the economy that is now deficit-funded transfer payments from government to individuals won't be enough to offset the crushing onslaught of inflation (and dropping out of what will at that point be a profitless merchantistic enterprise by many businesses).

The Bernank claimed he wanted to create a Virtuous Circle, but he actually crafted a razor blade-lined boomerang.

The boomerang gets thrown out as people marvel at how it soars into the air, and then it returns to decapitate the gawkers.

Heads up!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:57 | 1685391 SheepDog-One
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People keep looking past the point that 'keeping people happy' is NOT the end game! Robbing them blind is the end game! So if you guys think youve got the FED front-ran, hey good luck to ya!

I say no matter what Ben does this week it will disappoint big time!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:01 | 1685409 walküre
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For the record, I share that view. Let's see which camp got it right / wrong.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:03 | 1685416 nope-1004
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I agree.  Ben is not the shining star this week, the EU will be.  But, at some point, the road to ruin is paved with more fiat.  And I don't think this is a bank sell-off in commod's before the FOMC, I think this is just another day of manipulating down inflation numbers.  Ironically, it allows J6P to buy more silver at lower prices.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:11 | 1685427 dwdollar
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Rob what exactly? Gold? Land? They already have most of both. The rest is chicken feed. It's all about keeping the proletariat from rioting. You do that by printing them some more paper and making them feel wealthy.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:22 | 1685489 SheepDog-One
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Rob about $3 trillion in 401K's, right when everyones been made all calm as Hindu cows.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:12 | 1685452 Bicycle Repairman
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If not Bernanke, someone else will print, and PMs will respond.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:10 | 1685435 Bicycle Repairman
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Gasoline over $4 a gallon in the US means an immediate heart attack for the real economy.  You'll never see gasoline over $4, unless they want to trash the place.  Even if trashing is the plan, they won't do it that way.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:43 | 1685340 Tommy5454
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Is anyone seeing the continued hold on BofA at its just below 7 maginot?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:44 | 1685343 hognutz
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"There's nothing to see here folks, just move along."

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:53 | 1685375 walküre
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Silence is Golden.

Duct tape is silver.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:57 | 1685389 monopoly
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We still have not broken the lows of August. And until we do I am not shorting this market. So far, from a technical standpoint, just consolidation. Stay tuned.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:00 | 1685403 monopoly
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Would like to see gold hold the bottom of this range, 1,770. If not, next leg lower.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:00 | 1685404 bbq on whitehou...
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The Euro is dead, because the polititions will only follow what is in their best interest. People are still to nationalistic and the Euro is 100years to early.

This failure may set the Euro consept back 200 years. It was forced on those who are not ready to yield their kingdoms.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:07 | 1685428 Peter K
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I am curious as to why a Frenchman who must wait until 55 years of age to retire would want to subsidize a Greek who can retire at 50? In my humble opinion, that just aint right :)

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:18 | 1685472 bbq on whitehou...
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Cheaper fuel prices, open market and free exchange of people (skills) and goods. It works on paper. But sadly people are not EU they are national or townies.

Home and family are more then hats or sitcoms in many countries. You just dont hang them where you eat and turn them off or on as in the US. 

Europe is not a place or a culture its a invention of people who cant ignore their grandmother on the street, or force the sheriff to throw out their kid on the street for not paying rent.

EU will not be even close to the US for another 100 or 200 years. Then maybe grandmothers can be kicked out of their own homes by the kids and the adults can sue or evict their own children. As in the US.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:05 | 1685423 jomama
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meanwhile, PMs getting absolutely crushed.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:11 | 1685450 SheepDog-One
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Yep, banksters know theres no QE and selling the hell out of their paper gold.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:10 | 1685445 bbq on whitehou...
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Ever try and feed a baby somthing it doesn't want to eat?  All you end up with is a mess, same with the euro.  Nations are just not ready yet. Back to mama.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:11 | 1685446 TradingJoe
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Viel Laerm Um Nichts!

USD and PMs will go UP, rest will RESET! NO $$ from BenjMan this time, S&P needs to Bleed a lot more, then QEwhatever! PMs down on "speculation" :))) keep buying folks! Rest is NOISE!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:13 | 1685457 SheepDog-One
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Oh OK got ya, I didnt see what you were saying before. 

If people think this is 2009 with a popular Obama, a USD at 91, and oil at $50 and FED plenty of leeway to print....well hey keep believing he's only just begun printing.

The reality is the game is over.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:15 | 1685461 SheepDog-One
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'The S&P needs to bleed a lot more, then QEwhatever'! Or, its the very last of the QE forever already, and what we get next is the end game...WW3 or whatever starts. 

The game itself is never to just print money, thats only the lead-up to something else.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:14 | 1685458 Pretorian
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Did you know that during World War ! and II French instigated many nation to go to war with promise they help but they never showed UP!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:21 | 1685486 youngman
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It is an strange moment we are living thru....resting on every Politicians words...and we all know THEY lie.....resting on the Bankers worlds..and we all know THEY lie...thr private sector has pulled out....they are no longer leading the wagon...its the bankers and politicans leading the western economies right now...strange

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:25 | 1685508 Die Weiße Rose
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fuck off Geitner ! How Goldman Sachs Helped Greece to Mask its True Debt

Goldman Sachs helped the Greek government to mask the true extent of its deficit with the help of a derivatives deal that legally circumvented the EU Maastricht deficit rules. At some point the so-called cross currency swaps will mature, and swell the country's already bloated deficit.,1518,676634,00.html

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 14:45 | 1685579 americanspirit
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If you bought your gold anywhere above $1500 and/or your silver anywhere above $30, then go ahead and panic - that's exactly what they want you to do. On the other hand, keep in mind that you don't lose anything unless you sell, so really, just get a grip and think where gold and silver will be in 1-3 years, and laugh your ass off at these feeble attempts to manipulate you. Please - stop thinking short term. And stop running from railing to railing - it destabilizes the vessel.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 15:02 | 1685651 Roger Knights
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"In an emailed statement from the Greek finance ministry, we are told not to expect to hear anything from anyone about anything."

Yes, we have no mañanas.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:25 | 1686028 Quantum Nucleonics
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When will we know if Greece is going to make their interest payments due tomorrow?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 19:15 | 1686587 Buck Johnson
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Greece 9/20 default, wow.  Me thinks that there is no more they can do for Greece.

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