NAHB Index Drops To 3 Month Low, Misses Expectations, Creeps Along Generational Bottom

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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:12 | 1684348 Henry Chinaski
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Bouncing along the bottom.  For now.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:15 | 1684362 DirtMerchant
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until we're dragged over the mariana trench!

33% increase in default letters last month, thousands of "undeclared" foreclosures because banks are still playing balance sheet skittle games, this is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:12 | 1684349 RobotTrader
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Lennar is celebrating this news with a 5% gain in the first hour of trading.


HD and LOW also barely down for the day.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:25 | 1684406 Caviar Emptor
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It's gettin old, Robo. Pull up the 5 year charts on any homebuilders and take a look at what grim death looks like

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:47 | 1686101 Templeton
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So, it seems that Robo gets a lot of flack whenever he posts.  People get upset that he's cheerleading for some great bull market.  Yet, most (if not every) post I've seen of his, he decries the fact that our markets are broken (stocks rallying on bad news, nonsensical data leading to impractical market swings).  What gives? 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:27 | 1684414 Smiddywesson
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Gosh Robo, thanks for the good news

I feel much better now

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:12 | 1684350 Ancona
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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:13 | 1684353 Cognitive Dissonance
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20 minutes to show time boys and girls. Hurry up or you'll miss out on the great Obama speech.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:17 | 1684369 fuu
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Will there be punch?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:20 | 1684384 sodbuster
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There will be kool-aid for the truly stupid.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:21 | 1684389 Cognitive Dissonance
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Punch and Judy. Oh what a glorious day boys and girls, what a glorious day.

Punch and Judy

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:21 | 1684391 JohnG
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Right in the gut.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:17 | 1684370 DirtMerchant
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Watching Obama speak is like a drinking game now, every time he says "pass this bill" and the dow drops 20pts, I'll drink a shot!


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:22 | 1684393 Cognitive Dissonance
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It's never too late to get drunk on Obama. :)

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:28 | 1684425 Snidley Whipsnae
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I've never watched an Obama speech since seeing one when O was on the campaign trail...

When I heard 'change you can believe in' with few details of what would change I knew we were in for more Jr Bush destruction of the Constitution...

So, to me whatever O says is coming from behind the scenes... O is a mouthpiece...

O can only redistribute taxes, go along with printing mountains of new debt and declare a few more conflicts in places that most Americans can't find on a globe.

Whats to watch? This is a rerun.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:36 | 1684463 trav7777
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well, Gold fell off a fucking cliff and the FX crosses on AUD and BRL are batshit today.

Of course Bama's solution is more taxes.  Lord knows we can't retreat to the dark ages of FY2000 spending when all the grammas were in the streets eating rats and the children were in the coal mines

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:16 | 1684356 scatterbrains
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when do we start seeing the  0 down, 0% interest rates, no payments for 24 months on  60% off fanny/freddy properties? Someone wake me up when we get there.


Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:19 | 1684381 DirtMerchant
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I'll be buying some rentals when that happens!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:27 | 1684412 Caviar Emptor
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And they'll still wind up delinquent as soon as we get  the next leg down in employment and the economy! THen we'll get another wave of bailouts

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:31 | 1684434 Smiddywesson
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When all those empty houses are empty long enough to be stripped of copper and sport the equivalent of "harvest" or "avacado" cabinets, then you will see some deals, on what nobody wants.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:14 | 1684357 kito
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gold getting obliterated again. tyler, please stop headlining gold's rise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:18 | 1684371 fuu
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$1785 is obliterated?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:21 | 1684388 DirtMerchant
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I think he meant to say "buying opportunity"

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:18 | 1684373 ww2vet
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tyler just another zh asshole-long and longer gold down to 1500 & below

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:33 | 1684444 Snidley Whipsnae
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Kito and ww2vet... 2 trolls that appeared on an earlier thread calling attention to central banks/bullion banks renewed attacks on gold.

Funny, they didn't mention that the equities mkts fell off a cliff from the open...DJ down 231 now... and we know that the PPT is at work... How much would the DJ be off if the PPT were not on the job?

Benny...Oh Benny... Better clean up this mess before your 2 day meeting!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:37 | 1684476 trav7777
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gold up in AUD, EUR, and especially BRL...FX moves are wtf today

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:40 | 1684491 kito
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snidley, the world issues, the same ones that have led to gold's rise, have only intensified. so maybe you can explain why gold has been held down? how do you equate my belief that central banks are pumping fiat and dumping gold to one of a troll??? 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:19 | 1684380 achmachat
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to me it looks like people are getting out of paper gold and paper silver.

as they re-invest in physical, spot will rise again accordingly.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:35 | 1684453 Smiddywesson
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After gold dropped on the Swiss currency intervention, and they telegraphed how bad this week was going to be by ramping the markets on full retard last week, how can anyone be surprised they would go after gold?  You knew it was coming people.  Keep taking money off the table and stacking physical. 

Man, the snap back in gold prices is going to be tremendous.  Will it be Wed on Uncle Ben's dog and pony show?  Maybe Friday? 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:19 | 1684376 Dick Darlington
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Chairsatan Bearnaise will buy all the houses and O'bummer will tear them down and announce generational building project to "stimulate" the eCONomy. Timmah will issue trillions more uncle gorilla notes to finance O'bummers new pet project and Bearnaise will buy them all with freshly printed benjamins.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:18 | 1684377 the not so migh...
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After 2 summers of recovery this is all we get?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:24 | 1684400 Caviar Emptor
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Let me spin that 'properly' for you: those were 2 summers of "quality over quantity"! People focused on improvements, no on bigger McMansions! Soon enough, with all the cash on the sidelines and hungry investors snapping things up off the shelves, the next baba--boooom will be underway! 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:20 | 1684385 monopoly
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I don't think a drop of 24 dollars is or 1.5% is my definition of obliterated. Still well within the range of consolidation. But will admit this is one ugly market. Miners hanging far. Lets face it guys. The housing market is gone, kaput. Maybe a bottom in the next year or so, then it will languish for years while the excess supply gets worked out. Forget the housing market, you need a cave, period.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:39 | 1684487 Smiddywesson
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Ten thousand boomers retiring every day and no job, the housing market is dead for at least a decade.

I'm sure the squatters and copper thieves will take care of those empty homes.

The entire country is about to be Detroitified.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:21 | 1684390 Caviar Emptor
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The boom is just around the corner! Step right up and give me your money in return for the investment of a lifetime. 

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:21 | 1684392 PaperBear
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And the sellers of paper gold/silver are out in force again today - $1,781/oz and $39.11/oz. This is getting so frigging old.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:25 | 1684397 lynnybee
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Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:27 | 1684419 the not so migh...
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o nooo,  too late i read it...hahahahahahahh

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:23 | 1684399 RobotTrader
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Poor Eric King will have to start his interviews this week..

"With gold crashing back below $1,800, get the latest King World News blogs featuring........"

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:24 | 1684403 fuu
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He will almost be reduced to your sad state.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:38 | 1684481 Snidley Whipsnae
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Perhaps King will discuss sell off of equities? DJ off 231...

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:26 | 1684405 buzzsaw99
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"Builders continue to confront the same challenges in accessing construction credit, obtaining accurate appraisal values for new homes...


The appraisals are accurate, builders don't like the truth is the problem.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:31 | 1684431 DirtMerchant
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The problem now is that the appraisals are coming in at under the cost of materials and labor to build the house...impossible to get financing without giving away all of the profits and then some.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:36 | 1684459 Snidley Whipsnae
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Who would build a new home with the market flooded with perfectly good (according to American standards) homes?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:44 | 1684512 Smiddywesson
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This is a perfect example why nobody should look at new home starts as a leading indicator of economic conditions.  Builders build for the same reason golden labs dig, it is their nature.  If you don't build you go bankrupt.  If you build and the economy doesn't improve, you go bankrupt.  Either way, they build.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 12:32 | 1684447 AdahPrice
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So many McMansions, so few jobs.  Perhaps we will see some new trend, in which 2 or 3 GenXer couples get together and buy a house, in what we might call "a hippie commune".  And then, if the GenXers could convince the nice Central Banker Men to tear down the house next door, they could plant a nice healthy communal garden, and save the planet.  And then, if they could convince the nice Congress Men to end the War on Drugs, they could add some nice medicinal cannabis to the garden.  AND THEN we might see, from seemingly out of nowhere, the NEXT GREAT MIRACLE of technological, musical, and artistic revolution, as Earth is transformed from the wasteland the nice Alpha Dominant Men have made it, into a planet even the Creator would enjoy visiting frequently.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:46 | 1684519 Dapper Dan
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The owners of the R.V. park down the road installed a bus stop 2 years ago, for the many children who now reside there.

How long will it take for families now living in a 25 foot RV to go an purchase a new home?

My theory is most people who have drastically down sized their living space will not want or need the 2000 to 3000 sq foot home at any time in the future.

A drive around many American neighborhoods confirms it: Today’s homes are big. No, not big -- huge. The average American home swelled from 983 square feet in 1950 to 2,349 square feet in 2004 -- a 140% increase in size.

And no builder to my knowledge is building homes in the 1100 to 1700 sq foot range.

I see opportunity here.

Disclosure: Dappers home = 1250 SF + wife, 2 kids.

quality of life: preternatural

The preternatural or praeternatural is that which appears outside or beyond natural. In contrast to the supernatural, preternatural phenomena are presumed to have rational explanations that are, as of yet, unknown. @ WiKi

As of yet!!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 10:48 | 1684532 monopoly
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Gold at 1,780 down less than 2% and you call that "crashing". I just cannot believe you. And this is the way gold, silver trade guys. Very frustrating at times and easy to give up and just keep confetti. But it has proven itself time and time again, to the upside. Considering the strong but soon to be worthless dollar, not too bad.

Or, do you want to follow Timmaayyys advice?

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 11:09 | 1684618 Rockfish
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Creamers pick "yea yea I,I'd be a buyer of home builders right now.


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