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National Defense Authorization Act Debate In Progress, Vote Imminent
Much has been said about the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), a bill which, as many are aware, permits the indefinite detention of Americans suspected of terrorist affiliations. As a reminder from the AP, "Congress is pressing ahead with a massive $662 billion defense bill that requires military custody for terrorism suspects linked to al-Qaida, including those captured within the U.S., with lawmakers hoping their last-minute revisions will mollify President Barack Obama and eliminate a veto threat. Leaders of the House and Senate Armed Services Committees announced late Monday that they had reached agreement on the policy-setting legislation that had gotten caught up in an escalating fight on whether to treat suspected terrorists as prisoners of war or criminals in the civilian justice system. Responding to personal appeals from Obama and his national security team, the lawmakers added language on national security waivers and other changes that they hoped would ensure administration support for the overall bill. “I assured the president that we were working on additional assurances, that the concerns were not accurate,” Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., who spoke to Obama last week, told reporters at a news conference. “That we’d do everything we could to make sure they were allayed, and met.” White House officials said Tuesday they were reviewing the bill. It was unclear whether they would hold firm on the veto threat." Unfortunately, the usurpation of America by the Big Brother state (more here) is no surprise to anyone, and this is merely the latest milestone. Regardless, those who wish to watch the moot debate on the topic as our elected individuals sell yet another remaining individual liberty to the corporate octopus, as well as the vote on the act due at 3:30 PM Eastern, can do so here (and read more on it here).
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Who needs a six amendment when you got DWTS
Everyone needs to figure out an exit plan for this country. When it really starts to go, it will go fast. This is just the beginning.
The last place in the world you'll want to be is in a country when 300 million people who don't have a clue, go feral.
RIP Amerika.
Was just able to get onto the WIlkow Majority program on Sirius. They were talking Democrat this and Pelosi that. I was ableto get on the program to discuss this bill being debated right now in the house. The show quickly wentto commercial.
If anyone is looking for me, I'll be in boxcar 56ARZ7, being transported to Detention Camp 3-B in North Dakota.
I'll be in 3-C ND. Do you think I will be able to take my guitar? I call top bunk bitchez.
This will no doubt pass. It has already been done all thats lef tis the bread and circus, then vote, then law.
It's the enforcement that would concern me. With cops like this asshole - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1UkfirtoDQ&feature=g-all - I would assume they will be plenty of enforcement.
Montgomery County's sheriff's department got it's weapons-capable drone early. Why would any American be concerned?
No, no, no. These aren't gas chambers - we just need you to take a shower.
there never were any gas chambers either...........just another story for the telling......
the spin is on full blast, every day.. everywhere.. and inescapable!
The Jews will be arresting all of you for telling the truth! You terrorists! They will be coming for you first!
The 2 largest contributors to the lobby in Washington DC are..
Wall Street.. Financial, Insurance and the like..
And..
Jewish causes..
Guess who owns / runs Wall Street!
Yep! The Jews! Do I need to post the list?
And if say.. the Catholic Church was to fuck up and hire a bunch of idiots that made Churches un-safe! You would hear about it!
But when the JEWS fuck up Wall Street, nope we are just anti-semites for telling the truth!
My describing their actions makes me an anti-semite.. its funny because I like the 400,000 Jews who were protesting the Zionist One World Freaks in Israel. So I am just confused? Or is the biggest most well funded spin machine in the history of mankind on full blast?
You be the Judge!
I'm as alarmed as anyone about this, but a) people need to do research on Habeus Corpus and recent SCOTUS decisions (even with a very much pro-Bush Supreme Court - I'm just telling it like it is, so don't get all political on me, as I hate both parties equally), and b) realize that Congress can pass whatever legislation it wished, but their act of doing so doesn't mean that it won't face an Executive Branch veto, or that if said veto is not forthcoming, the judicial branch won't strike it down (see the cases on Habeus Corpus challenges to indefinite detainer I cited below).
Having said all this, I fully endorse voting the scummy ass of any CONgressSCUM who votes for this abomination and affront to core American rights (as a floor, the least to be expected, as in "how dare you even pretend to try and strip away fundamental, constitutional rights of your EMPLOYERS & CONSTITUENTS, SCUMBAGS) so far out of office that they will need to move their own ass to a foreign jurisdiction.
Vote of No Confidence
I agree.
I wonder what the govr figurehead will be like for the new govr of the US? I mean it will be a Goldman Sachs guy right just like they did in Italy and just like they're infesting the US govt already anyway...HEY Corzine will be the next leader that would make perfect sense.
I know where I will be. My nearby super secure, brand new, somehow currently occupied, FEMA camp that I visited when I found out where it was. As I pulled in I was immediately followed by a GEO Corp. security a-hole. I drove in and parked. The guard pulled up behind me and I backed out and around him and sped out. He followed me out.
Also, local Sheriff are already practicing on undocumented, non- criminals. Fema is upstairs from the County and you are whisked from County imprisonment to Federal in minutes. The round-up machine seems to be gearing up to begin with political dissidents. Otherwise why lie about the fact that they are only deporting immigrants with felons? And why spend this money now? This is happening in a State that has already fully implemented the draconian Real ID, which combines all available databases(local and federal) and makes them readily available to local police upon running your auto tags, which can be done hundreds at a time with new high-tech (letter recognition) tag readers attached to patrol cars. I know this because I have seen it happening.
Yes, but it takes a monumental fight through the court system to protect a right you should not have to protect.
And how will anyone know you need to be in court if you have been "indefinitely detained"?
In the years it will take to sort this out in the legal system and get our rights back many will be trampled. And by that time they will have thought of a new gambit to violate our rights all over again.
I suggest you rent Rendition and watch the little documentary at the end.
It is coming here, if not already.
pods
Since when has permission been needed to exercise a RIGHT?? Milestones
You're just confused.
Luciferian Illuminati not Jewish people. And more specifically the ruling families of the Illuminati. The blame must be correctly placed when the magic entertainment box doest show the dancing or singing program any more, and the kids are saying they're hungry, but the magic food card doesn't work anymore.
They're just trolls trying to divert attention from the subject at hand. Antisemitism does that pretty well.
jw--maybe you should be clear about which jews you dont like so that we dont confuse you for a rambling anti semite. perhaps you should label them....power-jews, or ruler-jews, or banker-jews.
When's Glenn Beck doing his show on FEMA Camps again? O, that's right.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izjfdfDHjWQ
Eat shit Glenn
Eat shit Glenn.
ah yes, he does just that, daily.
unfortunately, he's bulimic. . .
Don't you remember The Dirty Dozen? You may get the guitar, but doubt any strings unless you volunteer for the suicide mission.
Not a detentional camp. It is a Re-education center.
Don't want to piss off the overlords so soon.
Will there be free U.N. provided biscuits & hot chocolate?
Just water and whatever rodents you can capture I'm afraid. That's all they'll be able to afford.
A WARNING TO THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT and THE BANKERS THAT CONTROL IT.
This bill (National Defense Authorization Act) is a declaration of war against the people of America by their own government. All U.S citizens will immediately have the right to take up arms to reclaim their country if this law passes. None will be terrorists. All will be freedom fighters, fighting for a just society against an odious government, legal and financial system. If this law passes, America will no longer be a country governed by the rule of law, as it undermines the very basis of law itself, as a structure for maintaining civilization. When law is usurped for the purpose of tyranny, all bets are off.
The rule of law will die in America, if this law passes as it is. Full scale civil war, will only be a matter of time. Abduction, torture and murder is the cursed trinity at the heart of all odious systems of government. The passing of this bill will qualify the American government as a fully odious regime, with no remaining basis in morality. All of humanity and every American citizen, will be fully justified in opposing the U.S government and it’s enforcers, to bring about it’s downfall.
Every senator who votes this into law, is in reality committing the crime of treason against the nation and citizens of America and a heinous crime against all humanity, for which they can and should be tried and sentenced to life-imprisonment or death. Because together with torture and murder, this law puts in place the final element of the legal framework for the genocide of American citizens. “Legalized” Abduction, torture and murder, means that Satanic government is here. Therefore genocide is not far behind. No human being is obliged to obey the laws, of any odious regime.
WITH THE PASSING OF THIS LAW THE U.S GOVERNMENT HEREBY FORFEITS ALL AUTHORITY OVER THE CITIZENS AND STATES OF AMERICA. The passing of this law, will be looked back on as the day when the citizens and states of America became legally and morally free to fully oppose and ignore the authority of the government of the United States of America. Unless the ability to abduct American citizens is removed from this bill, the day that this bill is signed into law, will be the day when the rule of law ends in the United States.
Obama, you have been warned. When genuine (as opposed to odious) government is restored you will be tried in a court of law, along with the Senators who supported it, if this bill is allowed to pass, as it is. For it -along with the laws put in place by recent U.S governments – is treasonous and genocidal. Therefore, for all law makers who have supported abduction, torture and murder (thus creating the conditions for genocide) the day is not far away, when the sentence for your actions, will be life imprisonment or death.
You will not escape the restoration and elevation, of the legal basis of society, that is coming. In fact, your convictions and sentencing, will be the much needed proof, that civilization is restored. So don’t fool yourself that you will be walking away. The same applies to the previous administrations also. All odious rulers, Obama, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Clintons and satanic politicians and bankers everywhere – your day in court is coming. You think you are protected by your corruption of the law, when in fact you are creating the conditions for it’s improvement that will leave you with no defense for your actions.
All odious politicians, bankers, bureaucrats, agents and executives will be sentenced and punished accordingly, when the time comes. You have been warned. Do not push the world over the edge.
Do not destroy the integrity & authority of the rule of law, if you want any chance of a reprieve.
The conditions of the French revolution are being re-created. You know what happened there !
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men/women,
living together in society,
they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
-Frederic Bastiat, (1801-1850)
I can't disagree with you, but what % of the neutered populace will actually lift a finger against their oppressors?
After all, EVERY corp and media outlet will provide reasons to believe.
"Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war let it begin here." -- Capt. John Parker
Hey wheres you 'tarded son? Not commenting on the 'Santa Rally' he was so hyped up on last week? Why does he keep buying into sure thing rallys only to get burned each time?
robo is busy working his predictions for events that happened yesterday...........
I miss Harry Wanger
I wonder if the latest Canada-US border deal where US LEAs are able to operate in Canada (under the supervision of the RCMP) is just so they can hunt down stragglers and those trying to flee? In any case the CAD is done along with the USD, so anyone trying to run north is only going to be greeted by equally dire circumstance.
i went to the social secuity office with my with wife today - she had to file for medicare [1st time/last time?] only - there were approx. 50 seats in the waiting room - outside was a migrant worker bus - inside there were 40 of the 50 seats occupied by mexicans
*now, that's what i call homeland security?
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they detain you, then you rot in a regional FEMA camp.
--Gandi
Of course, if all Americas are detained, life in America wouldn't be that different than what it is like now. The chains and fences would be just more visible.
Actor George Takei, who played "Sulu" in the classic TV series Star Trek, talks about his childhood experience in the "freest country in the world's" concentration camps during Banksters' War II.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yogXJl9H9z0&feature=player_embedded
We've never had this kind of bone-headed move before by CON-gress. While I lean to the side that says our "elected representatives" are just doing the bidding of their masters (read: illuminati, mil/indust complex, etc), a nagging part of my brain is telling me that maybe they know of some imminent threat that would actually bring the "battle" here inside America and they're trying to get in front of that before it occurs.
Remember the arrest of Spc Millay, the MP stationed in AK? Rumor had it that he made calls to family/friends to warn them TSHTF was about to occur and that's why the arrested him and charged him with espionage. Apparently the NSA intercepted his calls and reported it to the FBI, who showed up to arrest him but the Air Force wouldn't let them take him. This was around 11/5 or so, then the story went cold as a stone; no follow-ups.
I'm not the smartest one here but anyone else have any similar ponderings?
Government has always stolen more money and killed more people than private individuals ever could.
If/when you think it's time to exercise that contingency - where is going to be any better? The crap we're seeing, IMHO, is a clamping down in anticipation of global uprisings, riots, and revolution. I agree, when it goes, it will go quickly - but I think it will go quickly everywhere.
ES looking to make new lows.. test of 1200 coming up http://hedge.ly/rqhC5z
Truly a sad day in our nation's history when the politicians who are bought and paid for by the global banks, Wall Street and the various multi-national corporations that make up the military-industrial complex are about to pass a law that potentially makes it a crime to express your dissatisfaction at the corruption and terror waged by the various groups mentioned above.
It signals the very end when the govt turns on the people as 'terrorists'.
Just spoke with my Congressman's office and he stated that the language pertainingto American citizens was taken out and that all posturing against this were using talking points and nohingmore. LaTourette-Syndrom will be voting yes. Cocktard, fuckstick, anal douche, bastard hole. cunt.
They lie, they know they lie, and they don't care.
But... the sheep line up and endorse these pieces of shit every election.
RIP Bill of Rights
Kill this abomination before it does the same to all of us!!!
Time to write a Bill of Fights
Fight Club.
Vote from the rooftops.
If the CONgress doesn't carve out a hard exception for American Citizens on U.S. soil - I'll actually go one step further, radical adherent to a government restrained by a Constitutional Framework form of government asdvocate that I am, and declare U.S. Citizens anywhere who have not been declared 'enemy combatants of the U.S. as declared by a United States Court of Compentent Jurisdiciton (aka Due Process, as once one is deemed an enemy combantant, they've already been tried and convicted), this will be a watershed moment in the literal subversion of the Constitution by the U.S. Government, and the burning of the Sixth Amendment.
"...and the burning of the Sixth Amendment."
May it RIP alongside the Fourth Amendment which has been dead for quite some time now.
Not to mention the Fourteenth Amendment, which I failed to mention specifically above, which is the foundation for RIGHT (Constitutional Rights, as in NOT privileges - such as the issuance and suspension of driver licenses) to Due Process.
I think you might be a little confused about the actual wording of the 14th Amendment, and the TRUE intentions behind its language. The 14th Amendment was not created to protect your God-given Rights; rather, it was created to transform God-given rights into government-granted Privileges. Let's check the language. The 14 Amendment begins thusly:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
OK fine. Now look at the next sentence:
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States..."
No mention of rights there. Only "privileges and immunities" are protected. There is a VERY clear legal distinction between the word "Right" and the word "Privilege". Anybody with the vaguest knowledge of legal language knows this. We must conclude that the 14th Amendment was written this way on purpose.
To review: first, create a new status class (citizen) and define which people are in that class . Second, declare that citizens shall enjoy certain privileges that the States cannot abridge. Third (which is implied by the language, or rather, the lack of certain language), annul the God-given rights by leaving those rights unmentioned-- and therefore, unprotected-- to anybody who falls into the "14th Amendment citizen" classification.
Neat trick, eh?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv
14th Amendment Amendment XIV Section 1.All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
I suppose that Chief Justice Draconian could construct a majority opinion whereby he/she declares that the federal government can deprive you of all of these things (and more), even though individual states can not, while going on to minimize "due process of law" to the point of meaningless, although I'd then defer back to the Sixth Amendment if I had the privilege of doing so.
Sixth Amendment Amendment VIIn all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
And here again, Chief Justice Draconian would argue that a) this only is triggered where states, and not the federal government, charge one with a criminal offense (???), b) is moot unless one is charged with a criminal offense officially, despite being detained indefinitely on unspecified or vaguely specified grounds (in which case, screw it; just have government detain but never charge anyone) - but what about HABEUS CORPUS?
I suppose if Habeus Corpus is allowed to be destroyed as a key cornerstone of the constitution as it pertains to matters involving governmental allegations of criminal conduct against the detained, whether official charges have been technically filed or not, then it's pretty much over -
Detainee Policy | Brennan Center for JusticeAl-Marri v. Wright, 487 F. 3d 160 (2007)
Boumediene v. Bush 553 U.S. 723 (2008)The 14th Amendment rendered the Bill of Rights obsolete. There is no longer any class of Americans who qualify for protection under the Bill of Rights-- all are now classified as 14th Amendment Citizens who the Federal Government has granted privileges in place of God-given rights.
As for Due Process of Law, well, secret military tribunals handle that one nicely.
You need to read the two cases I linked.
No snark.
I hate to resort to Wiki, but I do believe its section on this is accurate, and don't have time at this precise moment to find alternate discourse of a summary of these cases (plus Hamden v. Rumsfeld), so here it is:
Boumediene v. BushBoumediene v. Bush, 553 U.S. 723 (2008), was a writ of habeas corpus submission made in a civilian court of the United States on behalf of Lakhdar Boumediene, a naturalized citizen of Bosnia and Herzegovina, held in military detention by the United States at the Guantanamo Bay detention camps in Cuba.[1][2][3] Guantanamo Bay is not formally part of the United States, and under the terms of the 1903 lease between the United States and Cuba, Cuba retained ultimate sovereignty over the territory, while the United States exercises complete jurisdiction and control.[4] The case was consolidated with habeas petition Al Odah v. United States and challenged the legality of Boumediene's detention at the United States Naval Station military base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba as well as the constitutionality of the Military Commissions Act (MCA) of 2006. Oral arguments on the combined case were heard by the Supreme Court on December 5, 2007.
On June 12, 2008, Justice Kennedy delivered the opinion for the 5-4 majority holding that the prisoners had a right to the habeas corpus under the United States Constitution and that the MCA was an unconstitutional suspension of that right. The Court applied the Insular Cases, by the fact that the United States, by virtue of its complete jurisdiction and control, maintains "de facto" sovereignty over this territory, while Cuba retained ultimate sovereignty over the territory, to hold that the aliens detained as enemy combatants on that territory were entitled to the writ of habeas corpus protected in Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution. The lower court expressly indicated that no constitutional rights (not merely the right to habeas) extend to the Guantanamo detainees rejecting petitioners' arguments. This Court's case precedent recognized that fundamental rights afforded by the Constitution extend to Guantanamo.[5][6] Along with Rasul v. Bush, Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, and Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, this is a major case in the Court's controversial detainee jurisprudence.
As for those cases you cited, well, according to the way our current legal system "works", the interpretation of the law is certainly a matter of judicial opinion, rendered by "learned judges" who are our betters in these matters, is it not? And yet some judges don't interpret the law the same way as others.
How about this viewpoint instead: the law is exactly what the law is. I don't need a judge to tell me what the 14th Amendment says; it is written in plain language, with words that have clear legal definitions, and I can see exactly what words are there and which ones aren't there.
Go back and read what I wrote-- what is wrong with my logic, or my reading of the text?
My final argument is this. If the 14th Amendment is supposed to protect our Rights, why has it obviously done a lousy job doing so? Look at what has changed since the 14th Amendment was written. We now require Social Security numbers to work; driver's licenses to drive; we can't own a car without State registration papers, we can't opt-out of scams like Social Security, we are subject to involuntary servitude (aka income taxes), we are subjects of the Federal Reserve System, our legal tender is worthless and we have no other recourse for a legal medium of exchange, we are subject to all kinds of restrictions on our freedoms like the TSA, the Patriot Act, etc etc etc.
So, ignoring words, and examining reality, which of us is right?
What?
Those cases that I cited above are not subject to varying opinions of different judges.
They're now the official law of the land, with the issues and questions they've presented, having gone before the Supreme Court of The United States of America, ruled on/decided as outlined, and are now stare decisis whose precedent all courts comprising the U.S. judicial system are bound by.
Can the Supreme Court reverse one of its prior decisions, as is speculated it may do re Miranda? Yes. It can happen, but is rare. Very rare.
But no court other than the Supreme Court can not abide by a SCOTUS ruling, period.
and posse comitatus
The 14th Amend. prohibits STATES from enacting laws that conflict with due process, etc. - it has nothing to do with laws the Feds. enact. The issue here is that this law is in direct conflict with the Constitution itself.
'change', we can hope on?
To be honest, citizens merely have Civil Rights, and only at the pleasure of their ruling government. So if they take away some "rights," maybe it will wake up some more people as to what the exact situation is?
http://www.1215.org/
pods
As unconstitutional and deeply disturbing as the idefinite internment of Japanese-ancestry AMERICAN CITIZENS on U.S. Soil without the right for judicial review was during WWII, this is that episode on steroids, as, and unless I'm unaware of any major legislative matters regarding this now proposed legislation, it's a literal blank check to do to any American in any numbers what was done to Japanese Americans, for any period of time.
*My grammar is terrible today. Apologies. I should have written Court of Competent Jurisdiction above.
**I'm also ahead of myself, as any legislation purporting to deny ANY AMERICAN, REGARDLESS OF ALLEGED STATUS, A JURY TRIAL FOR ANY MATTER DEEMED "SERIOUS," IS A SUBVERSION OF THE SIXTH & FOURTEENTH AMENDMENTS.
Correct, but many conclude that we are not functioning under the organic constitution anymore anyways.
Trafficant even read it into the record.
That is where my comments are coming from.
And it is the only thing that puts together the pieces of all the infringements of our rights up until now. Licensing and rules for guns, permits to peaceably assemble, etc. If you have to get a permit, it is a privilege.
The 14th amendment created a public trust, and by joining that trust you abide by the rules of the trust. Most joined at birth, and by using the currency of the trust, you are a party.
That is why you have to contract when entering a court of "law." If you do not contract to their rules, they cannot try you in their court.
pods
Exactly. The 14th Amendment defines a class of people who are granted certain privileges by the Federal Government, which protects the privileges from being abridged by the states.
Unless you specifically opt out of that class of persons, you have traded Privileges for Rights, and are subject to the subsequent law written for that class of persons..
Just my two cents. " We the people---do ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of America." Note: We the people, are the SOVERIGNS of this nation--The OWNERS of this country. WE founded it, settled it long before any constitution existed.. WE are not 14th Amendment citizens; and as such do not take orders from our employee's. WE OWN THIS COUNTRY AND IT IS ABOUT TIME WE START ACTING LIKE OWNERS RATHER THAN ITS SERF"S!! Milestones
and the Fifth Ammendment ......
Second is on life support
The unemployed are terrorists. Send them to the camps. /sarc
Long Get out of Jail Free Cards.
Check that: long compromising photos and other implements of black mail. :D
Any member that votes for that POS is a POS.
It will pass. Have to have it in place for when the economy collapses...
Yep theyre all lawyers, its just how they think. They can imprison, kill, torture, whoever they want as long as they passed a law for it.
Bro I had a discussion with my girl on this. Every time congress passes legislation I try to figure out the motivation behind it. What I imagine this would be highly effective for is exactly what you said. Economy collapses, bank run happens but people are denied access to their money, people start rioting nationwide, local police will be overwhelmed but the military wont. Personally this looks like a strategic move for something that is coming.
The Nazification of America continues...
...maybe they'll detain me for suggesting that Corzine needs to be detained.
If these treasonous fucks pass this bill may they all rot in hell.
It's either "for the children"(tm), or "for our own good"(tm), right?
How many Tylers can they arrest at once?
most posters on this site probably have dossiers somewhere... ever hear of the hundred flowers campaign?
I can't waitto read mine after this dust settles. I think my internet porn viewing habits will even astound myself.
hundred flowers campaign was something that chairman mao came up in the early 1950's... ask all the intellectuals to produce constructive criticism of the government (let one hundred flowers bloom), then later round them all up for being counter revolutionaries...
I realize that I've been accused of paranoia (I actually haven't, at least not openly or out loud), but does anyone doubt that it's at least a possibility, if not a likelihood, that Google, with all of its 'free services' such as Google Voice, Google Docs, and a variety of 'competitors' to Google, are all U.S. data aggregation services?
Google execs in high ranking places in U.S. Government, and a revolving door of Google (and other tech company) hiring of former U.S. legislators and regulators, bitchez.
Wouldn't exclude it as a possibility. Fuck em.
google received funding from DARPA. so did facebook. im guessing they weren't "charitable donations"
Google = NSA/NSA = Google
I think we would be crazy not to assume such behavior.
Paranoia or not. They know everything about its users.
google search "illuminati" typed in reverse.
AAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!
Once any organization achieves that kink of level of direct involvement with the flow of information you know they get a visit from TPTB with an offer they can't refuse. Google, Facebook, ect. weren't started as means to monitor the population, but they surely became participants whether they wanted to or not.
So you're making the audacious claim that a company like AT&T or Verizon would just hand over data on their tens of millions of users' phone calls, text and surfing queries to the government without so much as a warrant signed by a judge?
You are a conspiracytheoristparanoid!!!!!!!!!!
Just kidding. That already happened.
If you think that's bad, just wait until you see governments outsourcing their IT infrastructure to Google.
It's already happening.
Google boys are members *cough* of the Bilderberg club, and are fond of "foundations" - can't get much more embedded than that.
Yeah. I hang out here, and bought food storage online. They've got my number. At least I always pay cash for the a-, nevermind.
I've got to go bury some more stuff...
Damn, never heard of that before now.
He who fails to learn from history...
All they have to do today to replicate Mao's trick is to start a blog, then sit back and watch the posts. :-)
all those who assert they are Durdens, like hard gherkins.
Sieg Heil!
Even the SS didn't make a habit of saying "Ve vant to grope your genitalia."
America, it was nice to know ya.............
Well, I would like to think that somehow liberty will be defended by our servant government, but I am a realist.
These cocksuckers would never do any such thing though.
Even if this does not pass, there aren't any checks and balances to prevent any of this crap.
It is not like the government has a good track record for obeying codified law anyways.
This is all fodder for the Hannity Sheep to rejoice that the guns will only be turned on the brown people who are sitting on top of our oil.
pods
The biggest sheeple around are the 'Great Americans' who tune into Hannity religiously, mostly breathless undersexed housewives judging by 90% of the calls...throw in the Becktards and the Limbaugh dorks and its quite a group of brain dead idiots all convinced that 'their political guy' will make it all good.
It truly is scary. I try to see how long I can stand listening to his show on the ride home. Usually I last about 2-3 minutes.
It is kinda fun. Try it sometime!
:)
pods
Disagree, listen to the NPR programmed fucktard liberal crowd for the biggest sheeple class.
Exactly. Soft voiced, reasonable people and puppies and rainbows. Violence isn't the answer. COEXIST. All horse shit.
Violence isn't the answer and coexistence is all horse shit?
You sound like someone I'd love to ignore. Beginning now.
I am instinctively nonviolent but I won't bury my head in the sand either. How many of us would be willing to stand and watch as thugs drag our neighbors away? I don't think I could do that.
Sure you will if you think they are coming for you next..
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
? Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
Meanwhile, every solution they come up with is based upon the violence of governing, sp they are unknowingly betrayed by their own incoherent ignorance.
I stopped listening when it became apparent they were purposely failing to mention Ron Paul when referring to GOP/Debates/Any fucking thing, etc. Not sure if they've changed, but the shitcanning of the opera host for protesting war was a gamechanger, too.
Kumbayah, bitchez.
You are all begging for indefinite detention. Is there a "report your neighbor as a terrorist" internet site yet?
Yep.
http://snapscouts.org/
pods
Just an off the wall thought here. Even if those that suggest the fed is done printing would be right, the fed will certainly print to sustain the war effort should the ME go haywire. If that is to pass, is there another/better hedge than gold ? Rare earths or oil related or something that might not get taxed or outlawed the way gold might ? Anyone did some home work and have a favorite sector they are looking at leading into War induced printing ?
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me -
and by then there was no one left to speak out for me.
How that could be voted down is beyond me.
+1
how spas could be voted down is beyond me.....
Too many "bad words?"
The government has a special talent for making even enlightened people attack those who are somehow different or alien.
First they proposed the Tobin Tax but I went along with it because I thought that the good hearted government was just trying to smack down the evil speculators...
The future version will be:
First they came for the gold;
Then they came for the guns.
That was when the people came for them.
Anyone catch Obummer's speech at Ft. Bragg today. "It's easier to start a war than to end one ..." Speaking from personal experience.
Obama just keeps droning on. Predator droning, that is.
Must be why he keeps going for double or nothing.
Thanks John McCain your a true Amerikan Hero!! JFC...
This is an act of treason that is being carried out by members of very own government: white house, senate, and house of representatives. They are in fact engaging war against US CITIZENS-- terrorist is not defined by any country nor type of belief and is therefore carte blanche for the US government to do WHATEVER they want to the citizens they are supposed to work for.
Impeach, arrest, and bring these criminals to justice!
Dang! I better stop posting about wanting people to beat up Lloyd Blankfein and his evil sister jamie Dimon... might end up naked at Guantanamo...
How come lloyd is not there already? He is a worse terrorist that Osama anytime in terms of damaging our country...
Too late, your IP has been logged.
Looks like Hitler giving a speech!
link
Coincidence? I think not!
anyone else feeling like Sisyphus?
does it burn when you pee?
you've just stolen Camus's myth. Good for you, its free.
There is no way this should stand as constitutional. The only thing you can conclude is that AL-Q has infiltrated into the US as ordinary citzens and the government is afraid of them and rightly so or that this law is going to be used against law abiding citizens who the government simply disagrees with. The problem is that it can be both and who trusts the government of any country to decide the difference.
Buddy, it's just one "goddamned piece of paper" to nullify another.
Get used to it.
funny how dems and repubs can get along great and find common ground when it comes to stripping americans of their basic constitutional rights..........................
Therein lies the false left/right world. The only time the left and right, on capital hill take opposing sides, is on wedge issues like abortion, gays, and religion. When it involves continueing the serfhood of Americans, they are on the same team.
sooo true.....divide and conquer.........playbook from congress.....
For anyone who thinks that their representative is different than the rest, use this bill as a good litmus test. Any member of our government who votes in favor of this bill clearly feels zero connection to the rights that were supposed to be what our country is about. This bill is a slap in the face to the people and a big kiss to unchecked government.
More likely they feel very connected to some friendly black-mailer who likes to hand out hookers, blow or boys.
Evidently there is absolutely NO CRIME on the face of the earth that Washington DC isn’t fully engaged in 24/7
whether it’s shredding our Consitution and replacing it with martial law -FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON OTHER THEN TO GAIN UNLAWFUL POWER OVER CITIZENS
Breaking interntaional law by gun running high powered weapons to Mexican drug cartel
ACTUALLY HANDS ON PROVIDING MONEY LAUNDERING SERVICE FOR THE DRUG CARTELS
Illegal wars for profit – running non stop
murder & assassinations is business as usual……..
and even though our representatives earn over $250K in taxpayer funds PLUS LUXURY HEALTH CARE PLUS WILDLY BIG PENSIONS EVEN AFTER A SHORT TERM, PLUS THE MONEY MAKE ON INSIDER TRADING – they still don’t believe it’s enough compensation to actually bother to read the bills they are passing – like 2000 page Obamacare bill………and then just rubber stamping a bill like the NDAA that establishes martial law as the new law of the land indefinietly and for NO reason…………….
so what do we do? perhaps Ron Paul can lead us in the necessary REVOLUTION that is going to have to happen to remove these criminals from Washington and restore our Constitution……..
WE NEED THE REVOLUTION TO BEGIN RIGHT NOW……….State by State –we must withdraw from the criminal law of the Federal Government—they are all fraudulent criminals and no one -least of all our military should recognize them as anything but TRAITORS TO AMERICA which is exactly what they are..
RON PAUL NOW ———-IMPEACH OBAMA——-LEGALIZE THE CONSTITUTION
Everyone should visit and support this site http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/ it's one possible way to thwart these assholes!
Aren't you forgetting that it's been deemed a terrorist organization?
Makes me ill to watch this; especially the jackals actually arguing for this. If you dont think that this isnt a bigger threat to our country than any other thing you must be crazy. This is exactly how Hitler got into power; clerks gave it to him.
I often think to Dr. Zhivago where we see the capitalist who's pursuing Julie Christie that we last see in the film in the uniform of a Communist officer. Might be time to get on the Govt payroll. I'm just sayin'.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
America home of the "free".
would you all please keep the noise down, traitors are at work..........
Well played sir, well played!
pods
just called my congressman the office has said that the house version does not contain that same clause any one know if that's true or where i can find a copy looked thrua couple of sites no luck yet
Well, read the George Washington article from today on Zerohedge right up there on the top of the page.
Oh and then for a joke, call back your congresscritter, and ask him if he can verify that he actually READ the bill....I bet $1,000 he didnt.
Seems the congresscritters are exempt from all the shit they pass........so why read it? It doesn't apply to THEM.
I called my representative (Guinta, NH) and spoke with one of the aides. He had the new language from the reconciliation committee right in front of him. They renumbered the offending paragraphs to 1021 & 1022 then added some bold lettering that stated that this language in no way altered existing law as it pertains to detaining/incarcerating U.S. citizens.
I personally think that this statement initially comes across as a fix but in thinking about it I believe there must exist some other statue/law/Presidential order that allows for this type detention because otherwise they could have made a less ambiguous statement.
I can not locate the "newest" revisions to S.1867. The 'govtrack' link to the pdf file on their site shows the 'file does not exist' when clicked on. (at least at 1600 -6GMT)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s112-1867
This appears to be the only version online at this time and 1021 & 1022 are still referencing the previous wording as it was passed by the Senate.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867es/pdf/BILLS-112s1867es.pdf
Sec. 1021 -Limitation on availability of funds for placing Maritime Prepositioning Ship squadrons on reduced operating status.
Sec. 1022 -Modification of conditions on status of retired aircraft carrier ex-John F. Kennedy.
It's a bit odd to watch ourselves be led into the abyss.