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National Defense Authorization Act Debate In Progress, Vote Imminent

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Much has been said about the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), a bill which, as many are aware, permits the indefinite detention of Americans suspected of terrorist affiliations. As a reminder from the AP, "Congress is pressing ahead with a massive $662 billion defense bill that requires military custody for terrorism suspects linked to al-Qaida, including those captured within the U.S., with lawmakers hoping their last-minute revisions will mollify President Barack Obama and eliminate a veto threat. Leaders of the House and Senate Armed Services Committees announced late Monday that they had reached agreement on the policy-setting legislation that had gotten caught up in an escalating fight on whether to treat suspected terrorists as prisoners of war or criminals in the civilian justice system. Responding to personal appeals from Obama and his national security team, the lawmakers added language on national security waivers and other changes that they hoped would ensure administration support for the overall bill. “I assured the president that we were working on additional assurances, that the concerns were not accurate,” Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., who spoke to Obama last week, told reporters at a news conference. “That we’d do everything we could to make sure they were allayed, and met.” White House officials said Tuesday they were reviewing the bill. It was unclear whether they would hold firm on the veto threat." Unfortunately, the usurpation of America by the Big Brother state (more here) is no surprise to anyone, and this is merely the latest milestone. Regardless, those who wish to watch the moot debate on the topic as our elected individuals sell yet another remaining individual liberty to the corporate octopus, as well as the vote on the act due at 3:30 PM Eastern, can do so here (and read more on it here).


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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:20 | 1980173 sabra1
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so instead of being led, LEAD!!!!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:55 | 1980356 Hugh G Rection
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Copper Jacketed LEAD!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:08 | 1980110 dexter_morgan
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So what makes one an enemy combatant? Dissent?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:10 | 1980121 itchy166
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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:54 | 1980340 prains
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Bad breath

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:55 | 1980351 Dr. Richard Head
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Critical thinking.  Fixed it for you.

I know many people that think all of the time.  Where am I going to eat today?  How did Bob get that car? Why isn't my wife skinny with big tits? 

The critical thinking is the shit they don't want.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:59 | 1980376 itchy166
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Thanks Doc.  That reminds me, I forgot to take anything out for dinner. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 18:22 | 1980747 IrritableBowels
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I spit on the screen. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 18:16 | 1980727 Sedaeng
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Page 427, Subtitle D, section 1031 (B)(2)

...including any person who has committed a belligerent act...



Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:11 | 1980128 kralizec
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Well, I guess it is time to organize the local Resistance cell...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:16 | 1980151 InconvenientCou...
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financial terrorist.

scared yet?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:54 | 1980339 Hugh G Rection
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I'm at the acceptance stage.

Not that I accept the treason, false flag attacks, unconstitutional wars, or the zionist banking cartel and the pillaging of our rights/wealth by puppet whore politicians...

Fuck it, they can only kill me once.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:16 | 1980154 Hannibal
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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:18 | 1980165 Caviar Emptor
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I vote we go a bit further back in time and do it like Louis XIV the sun king: put anyone in the Bastille with just a sealed letter. And forget them. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:18 | 1980167 sabra1
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so, 300M with pitchforks, can't take on 500 politicians? armies would have to choose sides, especially if they themselves have families!  and remember, all you folks are welcome up here in canada, until we get invaded! just watch out for those rabid beavers!

p.s.- don't forget your gold!!!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:31 | 1980205 kralizec
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I'll buy some whiskey with my gold, you keep the rabid

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:05 | 1980416 LFMayor
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rabid beaver is the best guys. Crazy in the head means crazy in the bed.  Just don't marry one.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 18:02 | 1980669's picture

Ward, there's a problem with the Beaver.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:59 | 1980374 Hugh G Rection
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Been meaning to get back to Victoria, beautiful place.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:20 | 1980171 TheSheepWolf
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Thank god I live outside the US.... this is kind of crazy

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:47 | 1980305 Maxter
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This is indeed crazy, but don't forget that this bill also concern every citizen on earth.  They are only debating the american citizen part of the bill.  They actualy all agree that its ok to arrest indefinitely without trial any citizen on the planet.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:25 | 1980187 SirPlayomic
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Rep. Adam Smith is a traitor. Let's all spell out what it is that we are hearing on CSPAN - T . R . E . A . S . O . N

"Keeping America safe"... makes me sick.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:28 | 1980195 Poofter Priest
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IF the part about American citizens is NOT struck out of this bill....I wonder if they've kept Martin Armstrong's cell open and warm for him.


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:29 | 1980200 Meremortal
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I hate it when liberals are right. They told me shit like this would happen if I voted for McCain.

Damn it.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 19:45 | 1981040 Citxmech
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And it would have.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:36 | 1980243 dark pools of soros
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gestapo bitchez

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:41 | 1980261 Mark701
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Laws allowing the permanant detention of anyone for political reasons ALWAYS end up getting abused. Maybe not this year, or even ten years from now but eventually Person A wants Person B to disappear and uses a totalitarian law to do so. Then it's the Soviet Union and East Germany all over again.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:42 | 1980268 SheepleLOVEched...
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we need RON PAUL

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:56 | 1980358 itchy166
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Ron will probably be one of the first detainees.  (If he dodge the bullets that is.)

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:06 | 1980424 LFMayor
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YES.   Anyone who might make a difference earns a short shelf life.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:48 | 1980288 swani
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These people took an oath to uphold our Constitution. This is treason. Isn't there a remedy for citizens to take? There has to be some remedy while we still have a 'democracy'. Can't people just start suing these people personally, just to make them have to spend money to defend themselves. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:47 | 1980302 swani
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How can we keep America safe from these people is what I would like to know.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:54 | 1980344 itchy166
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More importantly, how can we keep the world safe from America?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:49 | 1980319 EBR MOD 0
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SD1 don't you remember they have to pass the bill to see what is in it. Rabies won't matter once the critters are cooked that is if we have fire in the FEMA camp.

buy commodites brass, copper and lead, the bigger the better bitchez

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 16:52 | 1980331 EBR MOD 0
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yea, BTW the language BHO wanted is probably in it anyway, he just lied, they lied so.....



Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:01 | 1980393 Hugh G Rection
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We watched it hit two towers with jumbo jets, and few of us recognized it....

Passing of a bill won't get noticed if Snookie is getting shitfaced and flashing her fat vag on tv...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:00 | 1980379 Lazane
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As it always goes the giant sleeps, and louder alarms bells will be ringing soon

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:06 | 1980427 willien1derland
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Carl Levin & John McCain should be charged with treason!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:16 | 1980453 Racer
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Did you deliberately put a  setting so the spaces show a squid type image? Not so obvious when you go to the link but you can see the lines (as in spaces line up)  on the summary home page!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:16 | 1980454 swani
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A lot of good it will do to buy physical gold and silver in preparation for a state of Marshall Law, if when that happens, after they come around to arrest you as a terrorist suspect for posting on websites that criticise the government, they're going to confiscate your property. Everyone has allowed the government to do this for years to people convicted of drug 'conspiracy'. How would this be any different? 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 18:06 | 1980689's picture

I'm more concerned about martial law than Marshall Law. Who is he anyway?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 19:23 | 1980963 blunderdog
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Maybe this guy?

Good guy.  Has a sense of humor.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:19 | 1980487 jack stephan
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They went around their houses real polite and asked them to report the next day for political re-education. Everybody who turned up got shot. Some they buried alive. - Full Metal Jacket

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Very simple.

Who in the hell knows what this place will look like in 10 - 15 years, probably like "Escape from New York" with chandeliers on the front of a Cadillac.

Sad day in the US.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:26 | 1980510 swani
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I am so sad, sick really. What do we do about this? Just wait for it to start happening? Next is the Homegrown Terrorist and Radicalization Act that will create another agency that will determine who is has terrorist leanings. That bill is the next step.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:36 | 1980564 marcusfenix
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we already have both-

the bill was the patriot act

the agency is the DHS

the existence of these makes the NDAA kind of anti-climatic in a way, still it rips your heart out seeing it being codified into law..

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:28 | 1980524 apu123
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Nice going Congress!  Guess who will be the first to go?  That's right, the party that does not have executive power.  I just talked to a family member about this, they didn't know what it meant, why it was a bad thing their 4th amendment rights just got destroyed and why I am such a downer.  I mean what the fuck could my problem be, didn't I see the latest pawn stars?  I guess the new guidelines to who is a terrorist (ie people who 1. Store food 2. Store ammo 3. Have religious beliefs other than in the FED 4. Might like Ron Paul 5 Have physical PMs) will fit right in to this new legislation and allow for the wholesale seizure of property and person of those who have not been brainwashed by MSM and pop culture.

My guess is when the shit hits the fan my own neighbors and maybe even some family will cheer as I am shot by firing squad or black bagged, after all I am a "prepper" by way of a canning and jarring hobby.  That is how it goes.

Prior to getting a real job I did a lot of research on 3rd world dictatorships and our country is taking the steps to becoming one.  The first stop was when our elected representatives stopped being accountable to us.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:30 | 1980532 Gringo Viejo
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Gotta love that pomp and fucking circumstance music......gets the blood up for that Thunderdome thing. Two men man leave,

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:39 | 1980573 Cadavre
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What are these twit f*cking zero brain twits so f*cking scared of they be coming out of the closest like Tome Foley caught with a hole in his pocket while playing find the quarter with a page, and then, go on record and vote for it? They ain't snooping for no criminals they be looking - it look to me - to be trying to silence anyone within inside info - John Kelly Dr Ivins Deborah Palfrey Calloway - the Minot to Barksdale missing nuke flight - ground - tower and management staff. THat be all.

Right click to open a new tab and the search for your - or any senator's DC office contact info - then call the ass hole's office. First, be polite always, ask for the senator you're calling. When the staffer say it's not in ask the staffer to relay a question to the senator.

Don't be afraid, every american is a terror suspect - don't believe - then you be the party to invest in the greatest profit generator ever: Get in on the bottom floor as a premium franchisee. For a limited time we are offering "Instant Water (just add water!)" franchises at an amazingly low (pre IPO!) start up fee!

When someone can stick their finger up your asshole when ever they want to look for box cutters (or whatever) without cause or warrant - and even with the incredulous  Orwellian "every body hates you because you're free" mantra (sounds like the fear indoctrination the youngest of children are forced to suffer when the mothers of the familial reformed "state" version of an ancient parish offer the comforting "everybody hates you because you're chosen" hook).

Here's the question:

Do the military arrest (its really kidnapping - but call it "arrest") and detention provisions in the senate's defense authorization (thinking it be "S 1687") include senators and their staff?

The Levine staffer i spoke with said "no - it only applies to terrorists or those that support terrorism" (which includes any kup not connected to the boned skull cluster fuck cloister). My follow up: " well what if it can be shown that a senator voted for an appropriation that was used to hire AL KADA contractors? Can they be detained then?" (noting Sy Hersch has done some heavy lifting on this very topic) - to which she replied - "Yes".

You own this country - shouldn't you be acting like it?

PS - that provision in the bill that authorizes warrant less military detainment and detention - you know - the one the Obambi threatened to veto - guess what - he asked for it to be included.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 18:10 | 1980701's picture

PS - that provision in the bill that authorizes warrant less military detainment and detention - you know - the one the Obambi threatened to veto - guess what - he asked for it to be included.

Everyone needs to be made aware of that.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:46 | 1980608 i love cholas
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Good thing i live 10 mins from Mexican Border and have duel citizenship. Peace out and good luck on your travels getting out of the country.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 17:51 | 1980627 Georgesblog
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Of course there would have to be waivers for Federal operatives, conducting false flag events. Can't have them arrested as terrorism suspects, now can we? (sarcasm provided, free of charge). Next week, I'm running a sale on cynical disbelief. Bulk orders and wholesalers are welcome.

Thought for the rest of the day: I see Homeland Security conscripting street corner prostitutes, reclassifying them "Foot Patrol Officers".

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 18:22 | 1980643 LouisDega
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I dont want to die.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 18:40 | 1980808 MobBarley
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Grow some balls son.



Wed, 12/14/2011 - 19:58 | 1981087 Reese Bobby
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Death is natures way of telling you to slow down.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 18:08 | 1980694 shano
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Voting for Rocky Anderson and the Justice Party now.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 18:24 | 1980751 YoDudeRock
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My representative Justin Amash is fighting this bill in the house...He is asking that people sign his online petition to stop this bill...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 19:52 | 1981068 Reese Bobby
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That's the last we'll see of him.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 18:44 | 1980820 Sedaeng
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Just heard on the CSPAN feed that NDAA will not be voted on today.  The narrator says he does not know why the house chose not to go forward with the voting...


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:45 | 1980849 Widowmaker
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Does the bill have a definition for Al-Quida?

Is it every dissenter caught pissing in the same place?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 19:46 | 1981049 Marley
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And the terroist win again!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 19:51 | 1981065 Reese Bobby
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Unlike all the rabble-rousers here I throw my full support behind this legislation.  So there is clearly NO NEED to detain me indefinitely.  No sir!

I am just so very pleased to be under the thumb of the global bank cartel, er, I mean I am so very glad I am protected by this great democracy.  Really, really happy!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:01 | 1981096 Sathington Willougby
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It's high time to make history, bitchez.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:08 | 1981124 One World Mafia
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Into the reconciled NDAA will be the House passed end-run of the Constitution allowing this president and all future ones to unilaterally declare war anywhere in the world terrorism is suspected. The declaration of war approved by the House declares war on terrorism - not on specific countries - but we will still be at war with a country that congress has not declared war on.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:40 | 1981244 swani
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I realise, thanks to Crockett Almanac, that I wrote Marshall Law, instead of Martial Law. Writing fast, ADD. My bad.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:42 | 1981300 swani
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This is so fucked up, I want to scream!!!!!!!!!

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