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NATO Member Turkey Says Syrian Jet Take Down Is A Hostile Act
Update 2: CLINTON: SYRIAN DOWNING OF TURKISH JET 'BRAZEN, UNACCEPTABLE. Just as we expected.
Update: All 28 NATO Allies will meet Tuesday following Turkey's request under article 4 of the Washington Treaty
And so the escalation-cum-provocation-cum false flag is complete. There was a time when shooting down a foreign jet over one's territory was considered self-defense. But not when the one doing the defending is perpetual media bogeyman Syria, which "unnamed sources say" kills hundreds, nay thousands of its own people daily, usually in round, soundbitey numbers. Of course, the other side to the story is irrelevant: the Western-led media is never known to fabricate stories that suit the status quo's power and military industrial complex interests. All that is relevant is for the west, aka NATO, aka Hillary Clinton to get an angle to push for provocation. She just got it. As we suspected on Friday, there was much more than met the eye with the Syrian take down of a Turkey F-4 jet. Remember what we said on Friday: "The only question remains whether Syria's act was offensive or defensive. Naturally, its version is one of self-defense. Turkey obviously will claim it was in its right to be wherever the plane may be, and will say this was an act of provocation. Then NATO, read Hillary Clinton, will promptly step in, and make this a case in which Turkey was in its right and that Syria committed an act of aggression. From there, things will just escalate, and can potentially deteriorate to a far more troubling scale, because as we reminded earlier, Syria has recently become a major symbol for NATO vs the Russia-China axis." And sure enough, just out from CNN: "Turkey declares jet shoot-down a 'hostile' act."
More:
Turkey officially considers the shooting down of one of its military fighter jets by Syria to be a hostile act, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said Sunday.
Turkey delivered the message in a diplomatic note to the Syrian consulate in Istanbul, calling the incident "a hostile movement," ministry spokesman Selcuk Unal told CNN.
Turkish search-and-rescue teams found the wreckage of the fighter jet in the Mediterranean Sea on Sunday, about 1,300 meters (4,260 feet) underwater, he said.
They have not reached the wreck yet, he added. There was no word about survivors of the two-man crew.
The incident raises the temperature between the two regional powers significantly.
Syria gave no warning before shooting down the F-4 Phantom jet which strayed into its territory, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said Sunday in an appearance filled with tough talk against Syria.
He accused Syria of spreading "disinformation" about the incident.
"They have created the impression that Syria felt like it was an act of aggression and they shot it down. ... from our perspective that's not the case," Davutoglu told reporters.
The plane in the Friday incident was unarmed, not sending hostile signals, and identifiable as Turkish, he said.
"You have to first send a caution, a warning," he said in the first detailed Turkish statement on the international incident. "If the warning doesn't work, you scramble your planes, you send a stronger signal, you force the plane to land. There wasn't enough time to do any of that in the time that our plane was in Syrian airspace."
"We have to question how it is that an unarmed, solo flight got this response from the Syrians," he said.
He said the fighter jet was in international airspace when it was fired upon.
It had strayed into Syrian territory in a "short, unintentional violation," but was notified by the Turkish side that it had crossed the line, and returned to international airspace, Davutoglu said.
Next steps:
1. NATO issues formal complaint, with open-ended demands.
2. Russia, then China, respond in kind.
3. Geopolitical risk goes offerless.
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You'd better be prepared Hitllary, the people are awakening to your murderous antics...that goes for you too Obamba
Un unarmend military figher(sic.) solo flight that just happens to cross the border for no perticular reason, happens all the time, no?
Syria Air Force jets flies over the US airspace all the time they come for the open skies and the warm welcome mat laid out by the USAF.
P.S. by Syrian Air Force I mean Central American migrant workers who come into US "airspace" on the ground on foot or in the back of a truck.
they don't carry bombs they carry free labour. Its yours to take or leave. You can always build factories in their home towns. Problem over. If the west invested in these third world economies instead of playing casino royal world wide in sterile derivative wanking to death plays, they could spot two birds with one stone.Develop the new markets, invest in local growth, its win-win all the way, but it ain't as instant sexy as derivatives. Right? ... we love a short bang in the dark going nowhere except to debt hell, than the hard walk to salvation. Saint Jacques de Compostelle and financial/economic virtue.
Paradigm change or die.
I do not disagree with you Falak. My comment was pointing out the hypocrisy of "border controls" and mainly the west and NATO's crying out that their plane was shot down by a country they are openly fighting against...in their airspace. As for people from Central America we could learn a lot from them too, I was blown away in Mexico how many families I saw, multi-generational old grandparents, young children playing out for walks or picnics on the beach or parks or just out in the markets buying fresh produce and fish. Didn't take a lot of imagination for me to see how that could be a good system for living...I'm crazy though.
Yea, but do they have iPads, Snooki, internet porn?
Case closed.
Somebody wake me up the the Enterprise has been decommissioned to the bottom of the gulf.
When Captain Krk makes admiral?
I heard that she didn't even have any photon torpedoes when she left for the Gulf and her warp drive was crippled.
Here they come, the stinking Megaphoners.
Instead of killing brown people, why doesn't America save the Trillions and help their own citizens. The US globalists have the money to destroy Iran but cut back funds on food stamps. Something is very wrong here.
Would it be okay if America could afford both?
If Syria were to hand over its approximately 28 tonnes of gold, as a way of saying "We're sorry", would the shootdown of the F-4 be swept under the rug by NATO?
But with that other arab country we blew the place up and took the gold.
Isn't that preferable?
Nobel Peace-Making Prize! You should hear how nice and quiet it is after the bombs stop falling. And before the crows show up.
Turkey has already carried out numerous genocides in recent times. Seems like Syrians are next in line.
Unless China-Russia give Turkey an emerald glass coating.
Turkey is right wing capitalistic country with 3rd most billionares in Europe after Russia and Germany. More billionares than France, UK, Italy, Switzerland, etc.
they don't care about little people.
You can't call the ongoing murdering of the Kurds genocide. It is oil-related self-defense, nowadays.
It's our boy-screwing goat herding overlords in Riyadh who are pushing to eliminate their back-slidden Alawite brothers.
Exactly! Where are the leaders among these people? Are there no Ghandis? No one anywhere to guide these people into a peaceful existence? Just war, fighting, hate, anger; low-level vibration existence. These people are genetically worthless.
China and Russia know that Syria is the stepping stone to war with IRAN.
They already expressed displeasure on US colonizing Syria.
Nobel prizes are given for
Physics, Chemistry, Physiology or Medicine, Literature, Peace, and Economics . Except one, all blacks' nobel prizes are in "peace" and in "literature" aka. subjective bullshitting and politically correct token award. In terms of contribution to human kind, they are pretty much worthless.
scientists say IQ is 75% genetic. And how many "blacks' are pure Africans versus mixed ancestry with whites?
AldousHuxley said:
The one in Economics isn't a genuine Nobel Prize®.
Negroes built the Southern US states.
But I'm sure one could reasonably argue that nothing of any value has ever come out of any US territory south of the Mason-Dixon and east of the Mississippi.
"Negroes built the Southern US states."
lol...wait, you're serious?...negroes were not forced to build anything in the North...is that your position?
All those powdered wig wearing English & Dutch cats up North didn't own slaves? Just as pure as the wind driven snow huh?
Massachusetts was the very first "slave state" BD.
"In the year 1755, a black slave named Mark Codman plotted to kill his abusive master. A God-fearing man, Codman had resolved to use poison, reasoning that if he could kill without shedding blood, it would be no sin. Arsenic in hand, he and two female slaves poisoned the tea and porridge of John Codman repeatedly. The plan worked — but like so many stories of slave rebellion, this one ended in brutal death for the slaves as well. After a trial by jury, Mark Codman was hanged, tarred, and then suspended in a metal gibbet on the main road to town, where his body remained for more than 20 years."
"It sounds like a classic account of Southern slavery. But Codman’s body didn’t hang in Savannah, Ga.; it hung in present-day Somerville, Mass."
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/09/26/new_englands_hidden_history/
If you're going to start picking open old scabs be ready to accept the fact you're gonna get some blood on you.
"Early 19th century New Englanders had real motives for forgetting their slave history, or, if they recalled it at all, for characterizing it as a brief period of mild servitude. This was partly a Puritan effort to absolve New England's ancestors of their guilt. The cleansing of history had a racist motive as well, denying blacks -- slave or free -- a legitimate place in New England history. But most importantly, the deliberate creation of a "mythology of a free New England" was a crucial event in the history of sectional conflict in America. The North, and New England in particular, sought to demonize the South through its institution of slavery; they did this in part by burying their own histories as slave-owners and slave-importers. At the same time, behind the potent rhetoric of Daniel Webster and others, they enshrined New England values as the essential ones of the Revolution, and the new nation. In so doing, they characterized Southern interests as purely sectional and selfish. In the rhetorical battle, New England backed the South right out of the American mainstream.
The attempt to force blame for all America's ills onto the South led the Northern leadership to extreme twists of logic. Abolitionist leaders in New England noted the "degraded" condition of the local black communities. Yet the common abolitionist explanation of this had nothing to do with northerners, black or white. Instead, they blamed it on the continuance of slavery in the South. "The toleration of slavery in the South," Garrison editorialized, "is the chief cause of the unfortunate situation of free colored persons in the North."[1]
"This argument, embraced almost universally by New England abolitionists, made good sense as part of a strategy to heap blame for everything wrong with American society on southern slavery, but it also had the advantage, to northern ears, of conveniently shifting accountability for a locally specific situation away from the indigenous institution from which it had evolved."[2]
http://www.slavenorth.com/denial.htm
You've been indoctrinated well...just remember, the St.Andrews cross never flew over a ship coming from Africa stuffed to the beams with slaves.
Thats on ya'lls heads, not ours.
20 years huh?
That's a hell of a deterrent
I get sick and tired of these US government schooled, spoon fed revisionist history buffs that pass off fiction for fact.
The truth is, without slave labor, there would be no "old money" in the North for them to play around with...and continually whine that someone else is not doing their fair share to put food in their faces...worthless fat fucks that they are.
I speak not of the common man here, they are just like me. But the "old money" class...the DeWolf's etc.
Without slavery (negroes) the docks of Manhatten back then would have had weeds growing through them and the shipbuilders of Rhode Island would have been dirt farmers.
And Boston, I always return to Boston...Peter Faneuil (endower of Faneuil Hall in downtown Boston) owned a slave plantation on what is now Haiti. The building was financed and built on the blood and labor of others...and it still stands.
The day Blunderdog (or any other self serving yankee mutt) deigns to stand before it and says...Boston, tear down this hall...lol...is the day I will know the entire truth has been told.
Right on!, I couldn't agree with you more on revisionism.
I worked with an Egyptian guy, before the internet, who had a radically different account on almost everything. America had accomplished nothing of importance.
How do you argue with a guy who is recalling his history books? You don't.
Just the truth please. 'Yes we can' handle it.
You saw what he did there didn't you?
Living in his bubble maybe, he's usually more considerate.
But this time he decided to whip up da "rednecks", create a little sectarian strife, promulgate a few Northern lies, assert a little dominance, get everyones eye off the ball perhaps...who knows what bones rattle around in peoples closets.
Reconstruction and the swarms of NYC bank cabal carpetbaggers unleashed afterwards was an attempt to pick the bones clean and bury the remains of local sovereignty and self determination out of sight forever behind the nanny estate barn...it failed.
For the same reason it always fails. Its impossible kill all the Indians.
There is always someone left who remembers and passes the truth down through time...for everyone...maybe even to him ;-)
OK you said carpetbaggers. I just dealt with a 5 year carpetbagger (NY) real estate agent who thinks my state and city is booming because of all of the new high tech flooding in. I told him it is because of Oil. This is an Oil state first, therefore no state taxes, ergo, flood of carperbaggers. And I mean flood! He looked at me like I was nuts. I came back with a f***in idiot look, hurry up on this deal and move on.
Edit: He came here specifically because of the tax situation.
You don't really think I'd care enough to read this, do you? Your very first sentence is a complete mischaracterization of my post. I said nothing about the Northern states, did I?
Are you one of them dumb Negroes?
I think George Washington and the writer of the constitution Thomas Jefferson and the half of the founding fathers would disagree. Without the south there would be not USA.
The second largest company in the world is in the south, Walmart. Your nothern hero Abe lincon was a southner.
Yeah, Walmart. Congratulations on that uh...accomplishment.
Jefferson didn't write the Constitution, dumbass.
wow nothing like a bit of pure unadulterated racism. hitler would be proud...speaking of contributions to mankind.
Whites - before the Jews tricked them into a self-destroying World War - created a World Civilization. Blacks and their Jew-masters do nothing but destroy.
You are the epitomy of an ignorant, racist dipshit. Fucking unbelievable how ignorant someone could be. If there were a Oscar for the dumbest fucking person on earth, you would be a nominee and certainly the winner. So the Jews created Hitler, who subsequently butchered half of their population. Fucking brilliant logic, Mr. Compassionate.
Watch out, folks. Retardo's got a keyboard.
Fuck Turkey.
I hope Russia nukes them.
well, turkey has always been a thorn in russia's side; since kennedy and blocking them from the mediteranian.
Well.....Turkey is a member of the NATO 'nuclear sharing' program with 40 or so B-61 thermonuclear bombs sitting at the Incirlik Air Base designated for Turkish aircraft. Mighty short hop from Incirlik to Moscow.
http://thebulletin.org/web-edition/features/the-status-of-us-nuclear-wea...
Id rather we bomb the people on food stamps
You barbarian! Just take out the foodstamp printers. In a public, grotesque manner that educates their replacements about their prospects.
go for it - enlist! amrkn troops are already play-acting at war in the local neighbourhoods - get yerself a paycheck and go bag you some people made poor by the banking class - may be a medal in there for ya!
Cathartes Aura,
"go for it - enlist! amrkn troops are already play-acting at war in the local neighbourhoods - get yerself a paycheck and go bag you some people made poor by the banking class - may be a medal in there for ya!"
You are addressing banking class psy-ops agents.
There is always more than one audience at ZH, yes?
So you're suggesting a collectivist war on socialism? Brilliant! But what if I don't want to pay for all the ordnance you swipe on your tactical EBT?
collectivist nothing.
Id gladly pay my taxes for that kind of result.
But lifting a finger of your own, on the other hand...
Cortez the Killer said:
My preference is that we bomb the welfare bums. So much welfare fraud could be eliminated by carpet bombing Wall Street, select other parts of Manhattan, and the Hamptons, that welfare expenditures for the rest of the country are but statistical noise in comparison.
On a side note, a snarky headline I'd like to see:
Secretary of State Clinton: Brazen, Unacceptable
Agreed. Tomahawk missiles run, what, $1,000,000 apiece? And they can't pay my social security? WRONG!
Aieeeeee: Snooki, Porn -> my mind is flayed by such terrible visions!!
the road to deperdition is paved wth good intentions, elmer gantry proclamations, of fighting the evil empire; and building its exact carbon copy at home over twenty odd years once that Berlin wall has fallen!
Who would have dreamt that the US having achieved its perceived world leader destination in 1989 would be heading to 2008 financial armageddon chimes. There is irony in the destiny of man!
Turkey sucked when the Muslims ruled it and it sucks even worse since the secret jews took over.
Erdogan and his buddies are kabalist? Scoop!
Necmettin Erbakan, a former Prime Minister of Turkey, claims that Erdogan's tough line on Israel is a façade to deceive the Turkish public.
(Erbakan criticizes Israel, accuses Erdo?an of being part of Jewish plot.)
Erbakan says:
"Why on earth did Erdogan's AK Party give a ‘go ahead' to the membership of Israel in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) and not block membership?
"Why did the Turkish government consent to multi-billion dollars worth of defense contracts with Israeli firms?
http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/11/turkeys-erdogan-is-jewish.html
Yup. And so is the Scotish Rite of Free Masons. Ever look at their symbols? They are everywhere. As to the "special bloodlines," yeah the Jewish banking families have them but the European royalty has them in spades, starting with the British. As to the UK, in previous generations, they certainly wren't bred for beauty :-)
The "British" rotal family is German.
I thought they were Reptilian,
"Icke became an author and public speaker who propagates his conspiracy theories that the world is controlled by a secret group of reptilian humanoids, who include the Queen, the former American president George W Bush and Tony Blair."
PrisonPlanet
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
We must remain respectful of the rights and special needs of Reptilian-Americans even though many of us would consider their customs to be non-traditional.
Remember, it's not paedophilia if you only eat the children.
Alex Jones is a clown.
..but happens to be right..
He's completely dishonest, a clownish fearmonger selling overpriced soap and other crap to enrich himself while covering for his jew supremacist benefactors by blaming the NWO on "Germanic Death Cults", "Nazis" and "Reptilians". His regular guest list looks like roll call at a lunatic asylum.
Actually, AJ has had unkind things to say about Israel...and features intelligent guests ranging from John Rawls to Max Keiser. Overall his perspective on Current Events is pretty much on target. Rense, of course, is still better...he names the Jew.
Brother Nathaniel on Alex Jones:
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=465
A clown will be much better and safer, but Alex Jones is a SHILL!
http://alexjonesexposed.wordpress.com/
http://alexjonesisazionistshill.blogspot.com/
more at https://startpage.com/do/search?q=alex+jones+exposed
About Jeff Rense, one should read the collection of Henry Makow at http://www.henrymakow.com/the_jeff_rense_collection_arti.html
More here: https://startpage.com/do/search?q=jeff+rense+exposed
half reptillian, half german.
priceless
and most of todays "Jewish" people are not descended from hebrews... but rather central europeans. the point being, appearances are very deceptive.
You are SOros right
Yes, you are so right, they came from a country called KHAZARIA, which occupied the land locked between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea which is now predominantly occupied by Georgia. The reason the Rottenschilds claim to be Jewish is that the Khazars under the instruction of the King, converted to the Jewish faith in 740 A.D., but of course that did not include converting their Asiatic Mongolian genes to the genes of the Jewish people.
You will find that approximately 90% of people in the world today who call themselves Jews are actually KHAZARS, or as they like to be known, ASHKENAZI Jews. These people knowingly lie to the world with their claims that the land of Israel is theirs by birthright, when in actual fact their real homeland is over 800 miles away in Georgia. So, next time you hear an Israeli Prime Minister bleating about the so-called persecution of the Jews, consider this, EVERY Prime Minister of Israel has been an Ashkenazi Jew. Therefore when all these Prime Ministers have curried favour with the West for their re-establishment of a Jewish homeland, they have knowingly and deliberately lied to you, as they were never from that region, and they well know it, because it is they who call themselves Ashkenazi Jews. The Book of Revelation, Chapter 2, Verse 9, states the following which would appear to be about these Ashkenazi Jews: "I know thy works, and tribulation and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." However, these are not the only bloodlines to worry about. You are probably aware of the centuries old practice undertaken by many Ashkenazi Jews whereby they would change their name, in order for them to appear part of the dominant race of the country in which they lived, so as they could obtain influential positions in that country, which they would then exploit to serve their real masters elsewhere. There is plenty of evidence to prove the Rottenschilds continue that deceptive tradition. as written in "The History of the House of Rottenschild" by Andrew Hitchcock at http://bit.ly/MhkwoVAs you will see in the timeline, the Rottenschilds have obtained this position through lies, manipulation and murder. Their bloodline also extends into the Royal Families of Europe, and the following family names: ASTOR; BUNDY; COLLINS; DUPONT; FREEMAN; KENNEDY; MORGAN; OPPENHEIMER; ROCK3FELL3R; SASSOON; SCHIFF; TAFT; and VAN DUYN.
Reading above one will realize that the Rock3fell3r family are Rottenschilds descendants through a FEMALE bloodline!!!
And how this family intermarried with it's first and second cousins to preserve the family fortune (of the 18 marriages by Mayer Amschel Rottenschild's grandchildren, 16 were between first cousins - a practice known today as inbreeding).
Read the entire summarized "TWO-AND-A-HALF-CENTURY" TIMELINE here: http://bit.ly/MhkwoV
Or see the very tersed version of above writing delivered in a nicely formatted POWERPOINT file: http://bit.ly/NlwRto
Soleiman the magnificent had a harem of 2000 and one true love; lots of sucks for his forty six year reign. He did get his kicks when Sinan built him his mosques to shame the christian churches into architectural oblivion. And when the king of france held in captivity begged him for help; he took Budapest to insult their common enemy Charles of HApsburg, along with captured Belgrade and then knocked on Vienna; it spawned the croissant tradition so it had its silver lining. How may sucks would a muslim endure to be called ruler of splendour and master of the Mediterranean?
Jews have no secrets they just have secrecy in their blood line. Nuance, what is shared within is silenced without.
since when was shooting down any plane NOT a hostile act?
when it carries a drink coca cola banner over a crowded beach.
... There wasn't enough time to do any of that in the time that our plane was in Syrian airspace."
It was the Ottoman's that gave {* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitioning_of_the_Ottoman_Empire } back their Jerusalem, as a ransom for peace following WWI.
*The sub-cultural money master's in Britain found the war most beneficial in many ways
Eat my shit.
Well, Uncle Sam did somewhat forget that saying about beating swords into ploughs - and by that economize on the military.
The Mexican, by the way, had for a while some migrating factories from the US, but some of them migrated futher to China et al. Thanks to the enlightened globalist MegaCorps' strategies.
Actually, I think that was predictable. The Co-Dominion of the US and the USSR was much more stable that this monarchy of the US alone.
It was a great scam. Two countries who never fought each other divide the world in two, and tell everybody that they are the most bitter of enemies, and you have to choose one side or the other. Then build weapons that scare the living shit out of everybody on the planet.
But then the Russians dropped their side of it, the drunken bastards.
lol, drunken bastards is Elstinist to a T.
"Who would have dreamt that the US having achieved its perceived world leader destination in 1989 would be heading to 2008 financial armageddon chimes."
Everyone who ever voted against Reagan, for a start.
Yeah, I am retired and living in Mexico for 2 years now with an imigrado visa. I am glad for the freedom to run "the other way." Have a 110cc motorcycle with no license plates. Haven't been hassled by a unifrom once. Most of the people are really friendly, particularly if you try to speak la idioma.
If the corporate masters could figure out a way to charge you for taking a walk ........................
If you drive a car, I'll tax the street
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat
If you get too cold, I'll tax the heat
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet
Taxman
'Cos I'm the taxman
Yeah, I'm the taxman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCTGRP2u4gw&feature=fvwrel
JOHN LENNON Watching the Wheels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da69-pu_pqc (3:33)
John Lennon - Watching the wheels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DjL1gfuej8 (4:02)
John Lennon -Watching The Wheels (acoustic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m8uoObnWQM (3:08)
The West could always “invest,” falak pema? …so it isn’t free. By investing in those factories in "their home towns" – which we already have done - we transfer the job opportunities for our citizens to other countries. And for the exploding unemployment among young men who are U.S. citizens, particularly for a large percentage of young blacks, this “free” welfare-subsidized labor is pretty costly.
IOW, the reason it isn’t yet free is we haven’t yet put in enough money.
In short, illegal immigration can hardly be classified as bringing “free” anything; it brings crime, increased welfare costs, adverse cultural changes, massive increases in school/road/housing/utility/healthcare and other financial taxpayer burdens –all for the benefit of the global corporatists.
A libertarian would argue the economic benefits from the labor mobility of open borders far outweigh the costs you enumerate.
You can always build factories in their home towns.... Develop the new markets, invest in local growth, its win-win all the way, but it ain't as instant sexy as derivatives
you stupid fucking child
not yours by a long stretch.
From wikipedia "..As of 2008, 631 Phantoms remained in active service worldwide, while the Phantom also remains in use as a target drone operated by the U.S. military." - maybe that unarmed solo fligh didn't even have a pilot? just wondering
I was thinking it was odd that a Turkey (NATO) jet gets shot down the same day the Telegraph has a front page story of RBS and NatWest customers in England being unable to access their accounts or withdraw all their money. Your suggestion about a drone plane make is plausible to myself and some others but my tinfoil hat is on this week.
Ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto...
Ah, ever so plausible.
Given the age of the plane.
Well past it's useful service life without major retrofits....
The plane just so happens to be in the far depths of the seas.
The fate of the crew is unknown...
Aye, Captain, we've a signal on the Horseshit meter.
Ignore it, Scotty. Sound Red Alert. Arm photons....
(sigh)
Was thinking the same thing...
Downed plane in 1300m of water. How long will it take to bring it up?
I would imagine this story will take on a new slant when the 2 dead pilots are seen (or not) in the wreckage.
Thoughts?
Hell, anything can be dug up given a long enough timeline.
Oh how things change. Just days ago, Turkey was Best Dude in the Universe for standing up to Israel and now its a lacky of the US-UK-Illuminatic global conspiracy to deprive such stalwarts of liberty as Russia, China and Syria their day in the sun. (Can't wait to see how soon before this crowd turns on Ron Paul.)
Notice how if ANYTHING happens ANYWHERE in the world, there is an automatic rush to wackines. The US was behind the flying of the Turkish jet near its border with Syria. To hear ZH posters, you'd think the thing was taking a spy tour over Damascus. If you're going to pick sides, for Christ sake at least don't choose the one slaughtering its citizens for the worn out reason of maintaining a religious power elite.
going over the record book, shouldn't your last sentence be directed to the US government? ZH is no match for their wack
Flashes in the sky
warn you you're gonna die
Storm coming, you better hide
from the atomic tide ...
Bradbury?
bobDylan's attempt to read for madMen?
Naw, it's Ozzy and the boys.
Electric Funeral
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsLkL8DTHeg
an old, expendable military fighter too
Unarmed my butt, recon aircraft collecting targeting intel carry photo and sidescan radar pods etc., not weapons.
What was Turkey thinking? They should have borrowed the spy drone from Iran.
Now the rowin' gambler he was very bored
He was tryin' to create a next world war
He found a promoter who nearly fell off the floor
He said, "I never engaged in this kind of thing before
But yes I think it can be very easily done
We'll just put some bleachers out in the sun
And have it on Highway 61"
-- Dylan
In a little hilltop village, they gambled for my clothes
I bargained for salvation an' they gave me a lethal dose.
I offered up my innocence and got repaid with scorn.
Come in, she said,
I'll give you shelter from the storm.
-- Dylan from, of course, Blood on the Tracks.
It's all good but mostly unheard/forgotten
"Through hostile cities and unfriendly towns".
- Dylan a/o T.S. Eliot
Through hostile cities and unfriendly towns
Thirty pieces of silver, no money down
Maybe someday, you will understand
That something for nothing is everybody's plan
- Maybe Someday
And the cities hostile and the towns unfriendly
And the villages dirty and charging high prices:
A hard time we had of it
- Journey Of The Magi
Damn history does rhyme.
Dude. They know where you are. Watch out for drones.
A great article that really provides good perspective of all the interests involved, big and small:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/NF16Ad01.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UIFWkBgFic
Thanks for the link Gene, it's really extraordinary to read such a detailed article nowadays.
+ 1
I agree with you and Gene, a nice detailed article with lots I did not know.
Well, they have their justification now. A little too 'gulf of tonkin' for me, but it will work.
I don't think the big boys, especially the US, will commit ground troops, but they'll probably provide material support (gotta keep the MIC happy) and maybe air support.
casus belli, the elixir of life for the Oligarchs. Ask Menelaus, who invented the label. Ten year war... was what he did.
And, the supreme irony, it was all about Eve-Helen. Here its about saving Assad's wife's people; the men of Homs, now homeless in rubble.
Will Putin be Hector and China Priam?
Amen, it's good enough for a coordinated NATO response, token number of Turkish planes, maybe a few European tokens and a US blitz to take out those Russin/Chinese choppers.
How could the Syrians be so stupid to fall for this trap? I guess I answered my own question. They should have let the Turkish plane park in front of the Syrian capitol - who cares. This was Setup 101
But wait. Didn't I read on ZH that Israel was going to hit Iran (about three months ago). And then that the US was going to do some killer strikes (last two years). And NATO bombed Libya for its oil? (Don't think we got any - lol). At some point, one of these prophecies is bound to come true.
The US wasn't ready to Israel's timescale.
However I'm sure the Iranians have been preparing as fervently as
Uncle Sam.
All the strategic assets are now finally in place.
Do not look at the fireballs, they will leave you blind whilst awaiing death from
radiation poisoning.
Our leaders are insane....why the constant need to kill in senseless wars?
Gotta keep the MIC happy!
Starting wars is like printing money..........If you dont do it, the whole thing IMPLODES
The MIC is part of the Ponzi economy...........
Record arms sales for the USA in 2012. Just like the debt, going straight up.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/21/arms-usa-record-idUSL1E8HL91L20120621
Yuri Orlov: Of all the weapons in the vast soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars.
And thank god for that too. THe cars I mean.
Just wait until acceptable user maintenance is designed into our cars.
Well yeah becuase prodcuing MONEY has done nothing (at best) for the US Economy, so now it is time to start PRODUCING someting. Munitions are a good start!
GDP to the MOON!!!!
Ask Krugman.
No, please.
Don't start him going.
We'll take your word for it.
BTW, where is the little twerp?
He's not been around here for a few days, now.
Conscience of a Liberal, my ass.
If neo-liberals or neo-cons ever discovered the Law of Unintended Consequences, they could claim Conscience.
Maybe even Cogency.
Pauls looking crazier than a Peach Orchard Boar these days...
"peach orchard boar" ha! LOL ain't heered that 'un before... origin? (or original?)
I like that too... gonna use it :-) * *
"War is the health of the state."
Germany good, Stalin bad
Hitler bad, Stalin good.
Hitler dead, Germany good, Stalin bad.
And so on.....
Made in USA bombs will be supplied, at considerable cost, to Oceania, uh, I mean Eurasia, uh... I mean Oceana, no wait...Eastasia...you get the picture...War is Peace.
Remember Libya.
A "NATO led" incursion "started by" the Frogs and Brits.
After what was it, a mere 3 days or so, the Frogs ran out of bombs to drop? And the US had to resupply them?
WTF?
Franz Kafka should be head of the New World Order.
Very nice! A big + 1 !!!
Between frogs and Guerillas, I had a very confused childhood...
Population Control.
Books, well more specifically female literacy, plus a little islamic socialism stagnation(not having a job or your own apartment prevents family formation) has done in muslim nations' natality pretty much world-wide.
On top of that I'll have you know the NATO way of war doesn't directly kill many people, with the high precision weapons and panty-waist rules of engagement. The main killer is the locals' reaction to the NATO way of war. Guerilla. IEDs. Tribal warfare. Market bombings. Ethnic cleansings etc.
Were NATO to go into Syria the main death toll would be as usual muslim on muslim sourced.
You're right, NATO doesn't kill many people during it's "humanitarian missions"; the effects become visible later on. Impoverished uranium bombs are a wet dream of any Big Pharma eugenicist.
http://www.rense.com/general2/yugo.htm
"Depleted" Please. That shit is still plenty expensive to the taxpa.... er, to bondholders I mean.
And anyway if they didn't want their armor defeated by DU rounds like bullets cutting through butter, well they should've abandoned it at the first whiff of war with civilisations so far advanced beyond theirs that our technology is practically science fiction to them.
Generally they do run away, like most of Saddam's army did. Then the real savagery begins. The savages among them resorting to guerrilla savagery to preserve their sado-masochistic reign.
If you tolerate this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZFeO2t4luQ
You are working too hard son.
Abrams tanks now have a option to fire canister. Something like 9 thousand grains of copper rounds.
How dare you criticize the shortcomings religion of choice for ZH posters. I swear ZH is beginning to resemble one of those crazy Islamic sites. You know the ones always praising the freedom-loving Iranians mulllahs and their "friends", the Chinese and Russians.
Imbecile.
Syria is 10% Christian. Assad is allied with and protects the Christians.
We are going in there to kill Assad and exterminate the Christians.
Now explain to me just who is the Islamic, Sahib?
Senseless wars, senseless "austerities", senseless bailouts, senseless meetings, senseless speeches.
They're a bounch of sociopaths. What can you expect from people educating their kids throughout things like "Skulls and Bones" initiation ceremonies? People believing they can shape the World according to their sicks minds? In fact, they can shape some pieces of it, but eventually, we'll manage to lock them down in some place like the Bielderberg Hotel and send some of our well prepared MDs with proper Haldol doses to keep them calm.
Senseless? Follow the money. This time the idea is to take your eye off the money -- Europe, Greece, Spain Italy. It won't work.
Satanic reptilian overlords?
War is the health of the state.
"insane" :: no, "callous" :: yes. War is a business. Look at Iraq...they took 12 old intelligence and used it as-if it were current knowing the present status of Iraq. Videos:
Bipartisan: "War is Big Business"
Why We Fight - http://documentariestowatch.blogspot.com/
the constant need to make money:: War is debt, so the Fed really helps with the money printing and accepting new debt.
NOW, look at the concentration of wealth, NOT Income resulting from war & real estate bubbles...IMPRESSIVE. The TOP 1/2 of 1 percent racked in some hefty gains at the expense of the bottom 2/3s which explains the 93 million unemployed as the multinational corporations rule....and you don't. Hence, the OCCUPY movement.
"Our leaders"? Who leads these "leaders"? Wall Street.
Because, duh, it's easy to tell if a plane is unarmed when it is zipping through your airspace. And duh, the markings of this fast moving plane are easily distinguishable at said speed. And really, when would a NATO plane be used to support a rebel force in the Middle East?
This is just wrong. The Syrins should prostrate themselves before the Turks, and NATO, and let them just kick them in the balls repeatably until their penenace is served.
The good citizens of Rome have filled the stands, and have been given their wine and food. The lions are hungry and have been prodded until they are angry, the gladiators are prepared and full of blood-lust, and the Christians have been driven to the center of the arena where they await their fate, on their knees. All is in readiness. Let the games begin.
Your analogy may be literally. I've heard Syria is some 30% christian.
15% at most. Estimates are rough, good numbers are hard to come by.
Christians have been leaving Lebanon, Iraq, syria and probably Egypt too to escape religious prosecution, tough being a minority surrounded by religious zealots. The Jews got out now it's time for the Christians.
Wonder if US offers refugee status to these Christians the way we did for semi jewish USSR refugees