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First, note that if you're having trouble logging in, you need to clear your cache. If you're still having issues, run CCleaner, and if you're still having problems, email us at info@.

Note: You can adjust which comments you see in the "junking" (as it's referred to), by adjusting your threshold in the drop down menu where you set how many comments you see, if you're authenticated. If you want to see everyone's comments, go for it. No one's? Good there too. There's a maximum range on our ability to "up" and "down" a comment -- we can't push a comment completely below your view. Moreover, if there's a comment you want to see that's below your current threshold, just click on it. It will show up. It just drops down, like magic.

Some notable features:

1. The new comment function is vastly improved. Authenticated users will be able to set threshold levels, effectively blocking out everything deemed sub-par by comment raters.

2. On the right, you'll notice you now have access to the most recent comments and top stories.

3. A much improved search function.

4. Similar stories, once the update catches up from the data migration, offers stories that share key words with the current story.

5. If you click on "My Account", you can see your most recent comments so  you can track them.

6. Notably, you'll need to re-register for subscriptions. The new method is much better than the old, but we couldn't transfer the lists.

(edit)

7. We've changed Captcha. 

8. Someone pointed out that users (non contributor/admin) couldn't search for other users. This has been rectified.

9. Adding Spellchecker.

10. Re: comment moderation, slashdot did an interesting piece on this (as this moderation system is derived from them), and came to the conclusion that it's absurd to let everyone moderate comments. Not only is it prone to abuse, but it defeats the purpose of having moderators (as it creates moderation wars). They elected to do a Karma system where everyone gets a shot at moderating at some point; we may adopt the same.

11. Just to clarify, aside from some sidebar stuff, the CSS on the font stayed exactly the same.

12. I'll take away user pictures if it's abused.

13. Added 'new comments' per user(s) request(s).

14. The lag you're seeing now is because the servers are updating, effectively digesting the new information (all of the user content, including posts).

If you have any questions or concerns, email me. We hope you enjoy everything.

 

 

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Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:33 | 1486100 Trimmed Hedge
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

P.S. If you don't give individual users the option to switch it back to the old way, depending on their preference... I shall demand a full refund!!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 02:20 | 1486507 BorisTheBlade
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Let's see how buggy the new design is, but what i can already say: i hate new font.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 02:38 | 1486529 Sacrilege
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There's no new font. See above.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 03:11 | 1486557 CrazyCooter
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I love the improvement list!

One of my biggest concerns to date has been the occasional boobie avatar. I am a ZH addict and I do troll a bit from work. This is really bad mojo. All it takes is one incident where some ass hat puts up tits on a thread and a work PC gets audited/logged/monitored. I had to get a FF add on to block images and was able to limit the lack of graphics to just avatars. I will have to review my battle plan if folks can post images inline (I know I can't trust the entire community to always be good). As long as uploads have a static path mask (e.g. they are always http://www.zerohedge.com/users/*/*/*.*) life is all good. If ya'll don't mind the feature request, just let me "disable potentially offensive images" in my profile and just block avatars/inline images for me. :-)

Boobies are totally OK at home, but at work ...

Thanks for the hard work guys/gals! I know exactly how much effort goes into changes like this.

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 04:22 | 1486621 Vlad Tepid
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How did you get that to work again?  I, too, don't want to be joining the ranks of the unemployed.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 04:39 | 1486633 superflyguy
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FireFox browser + Adblock Plus +  Element Hiding Helper for Adblock Plus add-ons

I believe they have those plugins for Google Chrome too. Good stuff. You can create your own list, you can block just certain URLs or certain elements on a webpage etc. etc.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 05:31 | 1486656 Dont Taze Me Bro
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Is it just me, or is the new website sloooooowwwwwwwwwwww as hell

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 08:17 | 1486810 Bendromeda Strain
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Yeah - Sunday morning at 8 am EST and I had the same impression. Had to surf around to verify it wasn't my ISP. It isn't.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 09:20 | 1486907 boricuadigm-shift
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New features are nice.  Performance seems to have taken a hit.  Opening new posts and replying to messages take at least twice as much as before.  It's a free service so its not a complaint.  It's more something to look at when the ZH team has some time available.  I prefer content than performance, and content is perfect! :-)

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 11:48 | 1487253 gmrpeabody
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How can it be that we are all tied at 1 for total score.

Like my clones' school, there are no winners or losers.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:32 | 1487390 knukles
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I'm with you, mrpeabody....
Like where from and by whom do these mystery scores appear?  Why are we having an perfectly egalitarin society imposed upon us by a distant, unknown Big Brother?
Why are our comments now boxed?  Bernays would have a few choice bits about all of that... 
And where for art the spellcheck buttoni?
We the Luddites are very disturbed.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 09:54 | 1486969 New_Meat
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Didn't you catch Sac's "servers doing global update" comment?

- Ned

{now ya gotta' taze yourself}

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:01 | 1487442 CrazyCooter
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As mentioned already, the FireFox add on is called AdBlock Plus. Upon install, I did not subscribe to anything (there is some type of list solicitation when you first install - I canceled out of that - I assume it shares my "blocks" with the "list" thus crowdsourcing better "rules" - but I am not for sure).

Anyway, once the add on is installed, just right click an avatar and choose the "AdBlock Plus Block Image" option. From there you get a FF pop up window that lets you edit the rule you are creating. If you create a rule with the pattern "zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/*" then all avatars will be blocked.

With the new site, it seems the chart porn still works, however even Tylers avatar is gone with this rule.

I am pretty sure I saw inline images last night, but I don't see them now. I think this may have been disabled/turned off. Regardless, unless people are uploading the images to ZH first (doubtful - I don't see it in the edit bar), then it will be impossible to block inline images folks create via HTML (these would sorce the image from a non-ZH URL).

Hopefully folks can't choke up the threads here with images of BS.

Regards,

Cooter

This is an image test:

 

UPDATE: It appears that my comment will post an <IMG> to the ZH database, but when it renders it appears the <IMG> is being stripped out. This has to be expensive string processing at runtime! I don't want to complain though! Might be best if the <IMG> was stripped before it was saved to the DB eliminating the need to do it later on for each page served, but that is probably an operation already on the table.

Regardless, I am a happy user. Good job guys/gals! :-)

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 09:44 | 1486938 j0nx
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You need to setup your home machine with remote desktop and connect to it from work if you can. That's what I do. I do NO surfing from work. All surfing is done from my home pc and then transmitted via encrypted RDP to my work pc through my remote desktop client.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 10:10 | 1486997 High Plains Drifter
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there is no way i would mess around on the internet from work. no way .....

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:10 | 1487498 CrazyCooter
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j0nx, There is no safe way to see something at work you didn't mean to see. The best route is always to avoid retriveing unwanted content.

HPD, it depends on the type of work one does and the environment. I am at a computer all day doing knowledge work and my brain needs distractions from time to time. I check ZH maybe one every couple hours and might read for five or ten minutes if something catches my fancy. However, couple this with the only breaks I take are walking to get coffee, and the context is a little different.

Right now what my boss cares about is (1) deliverables. As long as the job is getting done right and on time, there is leeway.

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:51 | 1487517 YHC-FTSE
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Dude, not a good idea to troll at ZH during work (Well, not a good idea to troll full stop). Besides, whenever I do a long post, I deliberately sprinkle swear words so there's less chance of my comments being disseminated onto other finance sites which has happened on a number of occasions. The more "unsavoury" stuff posted here the better, imo. I do not want to pop up over the radar, and considering some of the juicier stories that have been posted on ZH, nor do you. 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 03:29 | 1486571 BorisTheBlade
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0_0

well, something is different even though CSS maybe didn't change: http://web.archive.org/web/20101217212117/http://www.zerohedge.com/

anyway, will take some time do adjust to the new appearance

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 09:30 | 1486920 DavidC
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I agree with BorisTheBlade. The appearance of the font has definitely changed on my display as well. the previous font was clean and unbolded. The new(?) one is bold and looks different - I preferred the old(?) one.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:24 | 1487548 Fanatic
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The font is OK with IE. but with Firefox on Windows XP it is crap, and different than before.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:24 | 1487550 Fanatic
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Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:21 | 1487551 Fanatic
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Sun, 07/24/2011 - 08:10 | 1486802 the tower
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look at the source, there IS a new font... ur prob a Mac guy and fascist Steve has set your font fixed to Lucida, but the majority of people use Windows and cannot read this Mac-centric crap:

 

body {   font-family : "Lucida Sans", Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;   }
Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:24 | 1487371 blunderdog
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Yeah, on the Windows side, it would've defaulted to Arial, wouldn't it?  Now it's Lucida Sans? 

Bringing up the two pages next to each other for comparison, the most obvious differences are on lowercase a's and g's.

Blah.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 11:23 | 1487177 dogbreath
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Bring back the Junk button.  There is no rating system that can replace the expression of junking. 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:00 | 1487235 TwelfthVulture
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I also notice that the "read more" link from the front page has been disabled.  I know it's hard to believe but some do prefer to read the story v. the comments.

 Do like the "reads n" addition.

If I change the language from the front page I am having problems when I click through to a story, i.e., the buffer overflows, and the translation does not occur.  When returning to "home" the language change sticks.

The little section on the right with Tyler, et al and job descriptions is missing.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 11:46 | 1487246 Smiddywesson
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Maybe the font hasn't changed, but it looks half the size.  How do we make it big enough to read?

Love the wider window.

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:12 | 1487332 redpill
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Can you insert a border="none" into the syntax for the user avatars?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:16 | 1487510 GoinFawr
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... and for the comments. I miss the `junk` button already, but let`s see how that change plays out over time.

  the `recent comments` links in account is an excellent addition.

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:15 | 1487342 Kayman
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Sac

I'll give it some time before jumping to conclusions. 

Thanks for your efforts.

Kayman

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:20 | 1487362 feeb
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Sacrilege, I think I love you. 

 

Fantastic work you have done here - it is all very much appreciated. Thanks for all that you do!

 

I hope TD at least hooks you up with a few free Zero Hedge tees if not a salary complete with dental benefits and a gold bar savings, employer 50% match program.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 18:27 | 1488641 Manthong
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It might just be me, but I find the gray shading on the top of each reply a bit distracting while scrolling.

For some reason the all white scheme seems less so.

My 2c.

Great work.

Thanks

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 14:36 | 1854019 rrwoodward
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Sacrilege, how can I get Bloomberg screens posted. I worked there several years programming. I'm pretty much a Bloomberg super-freak! I've been trading bonds since. I often see posts that I'd like to reply with Bloomberg screens usually supporting the post...like italian spreads to aaa sofereign AAA index. Thanks, Randy

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 02:39 | 1486530 eisley79
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"11. Just to clarify, aside from some sidebar stuff, the CSS on the font stayed exactly the same. "

LOL, I love zero hedge, and I realize having ANY Drupal based site take the kind of traffic it gets and survive, is an impressive feat.

Kudos on installing some new modules and adding some blocks :D, but I am pretty sure as soon as they installed Drupal 4(lol), they just opened up the default theme css files, and hit Ctrl+A and then Delete :)

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 09:54 | 1486965 j0nx
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Since no junk button then Where does one do a score? I see this total score thing but no way to do that from what I can see? I like the old site better too.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:26 | 1486105 GIANTKILR
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Where's the porn?!?!?!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 09:01 | 1486865 Bob
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TIMMAY G WILL BE ON CNN'S "State of the Union" this morning at 9 EST to talk about the deficit.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 09:42 | 1486936 knukles
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God I love the the smell of my freshly scratched nut sack in the morning. 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 10:51 | 1487083 Monedas
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Leave your crack cheese alone and take a bath ! Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Odorometer Tour

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 09:51 | 1486947 SMG
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I appretiate all the hard work on this update, but I really find myself missing the old site.  I mean in a way this was an attempt to make Zero Hedge more like other sites, but that's what made it great.  IT WASN'T LIKE ANY OTHER SITE OUT THERE.  That's what made it special.

I'm not against small improvements to the site, but this feels like too much to me.  At a minimum these comment boxes and signatures have to go. They are too distracting from some of the great thoughts posted here.   I guess I could live with the rating system,  but I liked the junk button better.

Some improvement suggestions:  Maybe to be able to flag a picture or avatar as pornographic, and then be able to set your individual account not to display those.  Also if you could auto-trim whitespace from the end of a comment, that would be great too.

This site is great, and I appretiate everything you and your team go through to provide it, but please be very careful with changes because the world needs to see the ideas which are presented here, and the old format to me seems like a better way to do that.

Thanks for listening.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 10:34 | 1487053 Ruth
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There is a ZH Rehab for that, and meetings start every Friday night and run every 5 minutes til Monday;)  There's still time to catch the 10:35am meeting.  I'm Ruth and I'm addicted to ZH.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:28 | 1486110 redpill
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Sweet, thanks Sac.

I'd like it if you could kill the border on the avatar pictures though.

 

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:27 | 1486111 Tunga
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TEST 1 2 TESTING 1 2 CHECK CHECK. IS THIS THING ON?

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 03:13 | 1486558 CrazyCooter
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Roger Roger.

What's our vector Victor?

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 03:15 | 1486560 CrazyCooter
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Roger Roger.

What's our vector Victor?

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 07:20 | 1486742 mick_richfield
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Well, I'm happy to see that some things haven't changed.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:28 | 1486113 Hulk
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contributors section is from Feb...

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:48 | 1486167 cartonero
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Yeah, I had that too.  Money McBags and Bruce Krasting from Feb. 20.  It fixed itself after a few refreshes.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:29 | 1486115 slewie the pi-rat
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i am a luddite, curled up, sucking my thumb, waiting for my bathtub to fill

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 01:37 | 1486433 Oh regional Indian
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I'm a tech-no-luddite, but I feel the way!

;-)

ORI

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:29 | 1486116 JLee2027
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Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:34 | 1486129 Trimmed Hedge
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Junked +1

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 03:34 | 1486573 goldfish1
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Can users turn off the signature viewing?

All your work is much appreciated.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:10 | 1487760 smiler03
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I agree. Signatures are just a waste of space and time

I am smiler03                      <----------------------- sign of a dickhead

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 06:48 | 1486707 Bob
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Agree with the elimination of signatures.  The comment space is starting to look like a NASCAR vehicle.  Any way to get rid of them? 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 06:58 | 1486722 BigDuke6
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Hey this one liner that seemed amusing at the time keeps hanging out at the bottom of my posts...

wtf 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 08:06 | 1486794 gall batter
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removed mine.  not afraid of the executioner but realized the signitures are waaaayyyy too much.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 10:10 | 1486999 Executioner
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I totally agree gall.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:29 | 1486117 tmosley
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Hmm, reminds me of Slashdot.  But with a MUCH better text box.

I wonder if anyone can insert images now?

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:29 | 1486118 Rattling Bones
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Do you still have the math test that I never get on the first try?

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:37 | 1486138 Sacrilege
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Hah, no -- we've moved to reCaptcha. Much better service.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:41 | 1486150 TwelfthVulture
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I don't see my Username, only "Welcome,              My Account  Logout"  Now, how do I know that I'm logged on?

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:53 | 1486169 Rattling Bones
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Post a comment and see if it magically appears.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 00:04 | 1486222 TwelfthVulture
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Nope.  It shows up in the comment but not on the main screen.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 01:05 | 1486272 Rattling Bones
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Hey...whats this button do?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 00:17 | 1486201 Rattling Bones
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With all this fuss... you aren't expecting an upgrade in the comments from us...right?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 09:59 | 1486975 LowProfile
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Thanks for all the work you guys did, and do.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 10:07 | 1486979 Rynak
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Actually, whenever i see a site use recaptcha, i do "*sigh!*" and click a few times on the "get new captcha"-button, until i get one that is recognizable without straining my eyes.

I would however not call it worse than the prev. math system - just "differently bad".

BTW: How do score changes happen? At least in my browser (FX 3.5) i see no buttons for scoring comments - or is this moderator-only now?

EDIT: Nevermind, just saw the reply below. In this case, instead of giving everyone who's been active for a set time this ability - how about instead adding what i proposed a while ago: That users can have their own "ignorelist" on which they can put people who repeatedly just post crap?

This way, everyone could affect what he see's without necessarily affecting everyone else.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:40 | 1487412 Ident 7777 economy
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Test - this is just a test ... fonts are smaller in the reply box ... differences - differnces ... running Opera 11 something browser and Win Xp SP3 ...

 

This has been a test ...

 

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:41 | 1486151 GoldmanSux
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I never got one math question wrong.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:46 | 1486157 Rattling Bones
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Well, next time we are in math class together let me sit next to you.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:53 | 1486187 GoldmanSux
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But I cut myself a sweetheart deal. For $100 per month, I could answer as many times as I'd like.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:29 | 1486119 redpill
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How do we rate comments?

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:36 | 1486133 Sacrilege
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Comment rating is just kind of a weird thing to set up. We've elected to start with a small group (Contributors, Admins), and we'll probably enlarge that to include members who have been active over X amount of time.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:49 | 1486172 hardcleareye
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I am going to miss the junking, it was always entertaining to see how many jukes Robotrader, Hammy, leo or Trav 777 (or is it 666) got. lol

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:50 | 1486174 redpill
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Oh ok, now at least I don't feel like an idiot for not seeing it.

 

Edit: Custom Characters don't seem to work.  Theta = ?

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:53 | 1486186 redpill
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Also, eh, the main ZH logo ain't working in the upper right, I'm assuming it's not just me.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 00:05 | 1486227 TwelfthVulture
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maybe just the 2 of us.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 07:25 | 1486747 mick_richfield
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I see it.  I'm using FireFox 5.0  .

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 00:31 | 1486301 Urban Roman
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Theta = θ

But I'm more into Latin characters, myself..

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 08:23 | 1486820 Bendromeda Strain
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So is this where I test post a picture of Shakira?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 10:42 | 1487070 mynhair
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Oh good.  Was afraid that crazy spud SD's avatar wouldn't work.  If yours does, his should, right?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 01:03 | 1486366 StychoKiller
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I did a test on the strike-through function, as well as the horizontal rulings;

they show up on preview, but NOT in the posting -- FYI.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 01:27 | 1486407 slewie the pi-rat
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@ sac_e:  "Comment rating is just kind of a weird thing to set up. We've elected to start with a small group (Contributors, Admins), and we'll probably enlarge that to include members who have been active over X amount of time."

1) study this 1 sentence carefully

2) stick yer head back up yer ass

3) enjoy the view

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 01:35 | 1486429 Sacrilege
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Care to elaborate? (on the actual issue, not the whole head->ass thing)

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 02:00 | 1486479 slewie the pi-rat
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maybe you could get together w/ the rest of "we" and try 1) again.

other than that:  ?George Hamilton IV - If You Don't Know I Aint Gonna Tell You?‏ - YouTube

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 02:12 | 1486497 Sacrilege
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So, no, you don't have any formative thoughts on the subject, but instead are rather content to just bitch.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 03:08 | 1486549 slewie the pi-rat
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how fuking new are you?

speak for yourself.  sounds like "we" didn't check out what the fuk i was trying to point toward by those multiple insults.  toy-boy.

listen.  i'll cut you some slack b/c we're on chicago time.  whoever is on the "editorial/county fuking fair voting board"~~~why don't they just write a note or post a para and say what they think about bullshit (unless X amount of time is very short to "qualify"), just like anybody else?

or is this an "experiment" (LOL) of some kind?  funny as that sounds, it is real.  if you really want to change the "demographic" design of the "feedback loop" i hope you know what you are doing.  this (zH) is a very delicate environment, in many ways, to arrive at dialogue and understanding. 

if you change the wrong thing at the wrong time or in the wrong way, just like in economics or engineering or medicine, you can do more harm than good.   there are some interesting forces at play on this site, and now you are one of them. 

of course, if you didn't already know all this shit, you wouldn't be here doing this.

right?

and, welcome!

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 05:03 | 1486651 New World Chaos
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Umm, Sacrilege isn't a noob.  He keeps the place running and he's the one making these changes.  Would junk you if I could.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 05:27 | 1486655 slewie the pi-rat
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i understand that, you moron. 

compared to many here, he's relatively new to actually trying to communicate about anything but "keeping the place running" for which i sure hope he gets some green stamps!

so, he is an "authority" of some kind to you, perhaps?  he's "making these changes" and i don't accept that necessarily means they are "good" changes, for the best purposes of the site, so you want to junk me?

hahahaha!

fuk you, too, you little asswipe!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 05:59 | 1486672 New World Chaos
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I junk grammar Nazis and self-important douchebags, so yeah, I would have junked you.  Deal with it.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 06:23 | 1486679 slewie the pi-rat
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oh my!  listen to you!

lose the one about the good of the site?  L0L

how chaotic!

actually, i am not making myself nearly so self-important as you are making your little toy boy sac_e friend over-important.  but then, he kinda likes it that way, doesn't he?

and it's soooo easy 4U to meet his neeeeds....and so "innocent & harmless" toooo....

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 07:05 | 1486727 BigDuke6
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Slewie ma man...

None of us take change easily and i too am overwhelmed with this new set up which threatens the winning formula on ZH

that has seen us all through these testing and scary times....

its gonna be all right man.

its cool. think of samuel l jackson at the end of pulp fiction..... we gonna be cool!!

if only i can get rid of this corny signature...

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 07:37 | 1486760 slewie the pi-rat
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hey, 6. thx. i hope i make it thru the night!

i'm just trying to avoid the situ where the "staff & contributors" go into overdrive on, basically, self-congratulation. 

was i too BiChy?  i point out that dr techroscropulous must know what he's doing, or he wouldn't be doing it, and the guy runs away?

you're not sober are you?  too late in the month to get ripped tonight?  oh well, we usta know how to kill people, at least...  peace.

slewie out

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 07:42 | 1486769 BigDuke6
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its the weekend slewie - i'm nicely toasted.

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 08:15 | 1486806 gall batter
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BigDuke6, I never thought I'd be giving advice like this:  To eliminate your "corny signiture", click on "My Account". Then, hit "Edit".  In the signiture box, you'll see your corn.  Delete it and save.  Or create a signiture that's not so corny.  I just deleted my Idries Shah quote.  I just don't think Idries would approve of its blatant overuse. 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 10:06 | 1486989 Oh regional Indian
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Idries Shah was a pretender and faker. An insult to Sufism and specifically to the good folks he quoted, but like a lightweight.

I'd highly reccomend the original thinkers, they don't snow you with meaningless anecdotes.

Seriously 

A Sufi ORI

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 10:05 | 1486985 New_Meat
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3.14159:

"if you change the wrong thing at the wrong time or in the wrong way,..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHYIGy1dyd8&ob=av2n

couldn't resist.

- Ned

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:33 | 1488012 TaxSlave
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how fuking new are you?

Translated for dummies like me, slightly less insulting:

Any kind of 'status' system is absolutley guaran-fukin-teed to turn the entire site into a bitchfest with cliques, and flames, and petty bullshit. (Like this-here post from me is. This thread is going to become the Main Theme of the site.  On every thread.)

Not that anyone cares what I think, but Slewie has a point;

Consider the reasons why the site has become a social force all its own.

I think it is because of the anarchy. Control freak authoritarians hate anarchy, and if there's anything they hate worse, it's the success of spontaneous order without someone ordering everyone else what to do.  Putting in a 'rating system' based on 'status' will kill this site.  Seen it happen with 'moderators' again and again and again.  On sites that went into the toilet and into obscurity.

It's the feedback function of the internet that is transforming society before our very eyes and I will go so far as to posit that the educational value it is spreading is our only hope against tryanny and war when the currency fails.  This site is a success because it proved that an unmoderated marketplace of ideas works, and the ideas that have the ring of truth will win out.  Fools will make fools of themselves without any help.  Attention-whore trolls must at least be entertaining or they will be ignored.  But the strongest ideas win, on their own merits.

And now, we're going to have 'moderators', and 'status'.

I'd sooner see any kind of rating system simply erased.  I don't want others voting on comments anyway.  Who cares what the crowd thinks?  And worse, what some self-appointed 'authority figure' thinks?  WTF?

Who exactly was it that decided to cater to OCD control freaks, anyway?  And WHY? 

For users who want this:  There are thousands of news aggregator/comment sites out there.  Why do you think this one is different, besides the talent and dedication of TD?  It's the feedback.  Don't read a site at work where the avatars have tits in them if you are supposed to be doing something else.  Don't demand censorship to support your being a slacker.  If you're not slacking, then surf at work unapologetically.  Tell your coworkers that if they want to live in a sanitized world with sanitized news and sanitized feedback, go eat a sanitary napkin or one of those 'santized for your protection' toilet-fake paper strips or something.

Since I didn't create the site or pay for it, I don't have any right to dictate how it is run.  It'll be sad if it goes the way of all the others, for the same stupid reasons, despite all the examples of all the others that failed by the same mistake.

Now, since I presumed to restate Slewie's points for him, I'm sure he will skewer me in his inimitable way.  That's the way I like it, dammit!

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:41 | 1488344 magis00
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Agree.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 18:35 | 1488405 whstlblwr
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Yes, agree too. Used to read other sites changed in same way and popularity drop, less interesting to read comments. Maybe other legal reasons for want control.

Also find thick border distracting. Like clean, easy to see posts...sorry for critic.

Use noscript maybe reason not see my signature or anyone signature. I know when signed up filled one out, not sure if here, and can't find to delete if annoying for people.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 02:26 | 1486510 i-dog
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LOL!

Maybe we could try real democracy on ZH ... we could have everyone vote on who should be moderators ... then wait for the SSPs (Sunstein Sock PuppetsTM) to vote Cass and Snowflake in as moderators ... then another candidate (CogDis?) could offer 'inducements' for us to vote Cass back out ... then Cass could offer greater inducements to get voted back in.............. It'll be a hoot, and just like 1776 all over again!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 03:49 | 1486589 mcguire
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agreed.  junking s/b prerogative of the readers..  further, i dont get the purpose of allowing us to fliter by score.. if anything, i want to be sure i read the unpopular comments.  sorry to bitch, love zh, just my thoughts.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 07:34 | 1486758 mick_richfield
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Maybe we should be able to set both a threshold and a direction.

i.e.  >= score

or   <= score 

Then you can read what the trolls think, if that's what floats your boat.

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 07:32 | 1486754 mick_richfield
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I'm thrilled that you changed the junking system to a rating system.  That was always my only complaint.  Thanks!

It does make sense that you set up some kind of filter for who gets to be a rater -- just post the rules prominently somewhere.  The trolls and perl scripts should not get the same weight as everybody else.

I wonder if you could do a web-of-trust kind of thing.  Peoples votes get weighted proportionally ( or log-proportionally ? ) to how many total positive votes they have received on ZH.  Or something like that.

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 08:17 | 1486811 taraxias
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keep it simple, just bring the junk button back

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 09:15 | 1486869 mick_richfield
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Just because it's simple doesn't mean it works.

What seemed wrong to me about the previous system was:

  1. You could downgrade a comment easily and anonymously, but to agree with a comment you had to do it laboriously and publicly.  Why the asymmetry?  And then everybody could easily see how many negative ratings a comment had received -- but not how many positive agreements!  Why?

  2. By not distinguishing between users, the previous system allowed 5 day-old hired trolls and sock-puppets to badmouth comments with the same authority as any other member.  Why?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 10:43 | 1487071 dogbreath
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I don't think I ever noticed who or how many agreed with a post.  like big deal!  and really the people I would junk aren't the people I generally agree with

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:48 | 1487433 Ident 7777 economy
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Mick wrote:

"What seemed wrong to me about the previous system was:

  1. You could downgrade a comment easily and anonymously, but to agree with a comment you had to do it laboriously and publicly. Why the asymmetry?"

 

Agree, agree, agree ...

 

.

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 09:44 | 1486943 chunga
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TEST

Fuck - Shit - Ass

Phew...we can still swear.

I will miss the "Junk" button too. It was equivalent to anti "like" button on Farmville.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:27 | 1487812 smiler03
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Just a test. I agree, the Junk button is a simple way to express serious disagreement with a poster. 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 10:40 | 1487065 dogbreath
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whats next ....   nominations for an academy award.  like the dude said keep it simple and bring the junk button back. 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 10:25 | 1487023 Bob
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Question of the hour: Will Leo go on a rampage of veneance with his new comment "voting" power?

Karma, bitchez.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:37 | 1486137 Trimmed Hedge
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Junked +1

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 06:37 | 1486699 fallingman
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junked++

or for the rat ...

--junked

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 06:38 | 1486701 fallingman
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slow ... an understatement for sure ...

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:33 | 1486120 Captain Benny
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Seems like there will need to be some tweaking over the next few weeks.... I'm already sick of too many fruity images posted above ... *cough*tsmosley*cough*

The usernames should link to their user page, I miss that already.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:52 | 1486184 slewie the pi-rat
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this fuking wasteland has been totally re-designed to favor trolls, altho, there will be some raunchy, raucous, and rosy freaking red images posted w/ that there little tree icon. 

what is the anchor for?  why aren't there any cannon or titties? 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 00:08 | 1486242 Trimmed Hedge
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Don't worry: Many posts will be removed.

I'm already up to one!

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:29 | 1486121 bernorange
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This is a test.  This is only a test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H2VocVkzPA

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:30 | 1486124 bernorange
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Signatures working now I see.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:33 | 1486127 bernorange
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I'm not seeing how to rate comments.  Is that function reserved for VIPs only?

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:50 | 1486177 GoldmanSux
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How did you add signature?

 

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:55 | 1486195 bernorange
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lol... I don't remember.  I created it when I first registered my account.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 00:03 | 1486220 gall batter
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click on account and edit.  there's a box for signature.  yours is empty now.  write something. anything.  a favorite quote.  

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 10:24 | 1487026 viahj
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test-i-cu-lar

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:05 | 1487446 Yen Cross
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 Gall tried that, and just get password change and avatar boxes. No signature box. It that something that would  only be applicable if I had set up an avatar? Thanks Yen...

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 19:23 | 1489048 gall batter
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Yen, I don't know.  Could be.  I'm not that smart.  I see a signiture box when I click "edit" after accessing "my account".  

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 21:34 | 1489356 Yen Cross
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  Thanks Gall. You helped a bunch in general. Have a good trading week. I appreciate your time Yen...

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:30 | 1486123 GIANTKILR
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I'm just glad I don't have to pull out my freakin' calculator to solve a shitty captch problem to make a fucking comment! Nice improvement!!!!

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:43 | 1486154 hardcleareye
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Whimp, in my day we used a slide rule.... that is if you couldn't do it in your head...

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 00:36 | 1486309 dogbreath
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I renew faith in my modest intelligence that I can do captcha math in my head most of the time and quickly.   I want it back along with the junk button. 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 11:35 | 1487214 gmrpeabody
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+1

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:31 | 1486125 westboundnup
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I'm back, baby!

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:32 | 1486126 Misean
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So, they've finally found Tyler, and have taken over....

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:38 | 1486143 Sacrilege
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What Does that even mean?

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:43 | 1486155 Misean
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I suspect you're including the signature line as part of the statement. As that has not worked before, it took me a bit by surprise too. As to the meaning of the lyric, that's for you to decide.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 00:56 | 1486347 zhandax
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Having seen Yes last weekend it is fresh in my mind... enjoy

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v611/borg1/Yes%20n%20Styx/?action=view&current=AllGoodPeople-1.mp4

It takes a few minutes to buffer; I don't know why.

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:43 | 1487416 TempFlashback
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This link continues outside of the comment box.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:45 | 1486158 GoldmanSux
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YES lyrics

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:56 | 1486200 nmewn
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lol...its from a song..."Yes" I think was the band.

Good job Sac, we appreciate your efforts here. I think I'll like it, once I bounce around it a bit ;-)

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 03:55 | 1486595 WaterWings
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+1

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:34 | 1486128 gall batter
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Why?  Why?  WHY?

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:36 | 1486132 slewie the pi-rat
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i just clicked on this from down there:  More information about formatting options

i've fallen and i cannot reach the bong!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 07:19 | 1486739 lilimarlene1
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1. There's always a girl who falls.

2. At least you've got a bong.

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:36 | 1486135 euphoria
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where is the +1 button?

 

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:43 | 1486156 TwelfthVulture
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and the Junk button?

Sat, 07/23/2011 - 23:52 | 1486183 dwdollar
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Yeah, I'm confused about the rating system.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 00:07 | 1486234 tickhound
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the great zerohedge reset... it shall go unappreciated right now as it is hurting my brain.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!